Why Schopenhauer Believed in MAGIC (The World as Will)
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Arthur Schopenhauer believed in magic. In an essay called "On the Will in Nature" Schopenhauer tells us, without a hint of irony, he believes in the magical abilities of some humans. How can such a smart and accomplished person fall for the act of a showman illusionist? This has puzzled readers for centuries. Yet, in Schopenhauer's system as explained in The World as Will and Representation, there is room for magic. This video aims to show exactly how.
little did you know, Arthur was the only one to have figured out the truth behind Sr Regazzoni.
Really??
That's actually a possiblity
I am just a smart guy : I see Schopenhauer, I click.
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I am just a silly guy, I do the same :)
Never stop making these I love this channel
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I have been fooled so many times that I should win an award! Seriously, I am grateful for your video. Life itself could well be a cosmic joke or magic act anyway! 🎬 I like your film clips too!
I think he was right just the wrong type of magic. Those were illusions he saw, and that he justified it with the correct logic. The real magic exists in the super conscious realm.
The existence of an Italian conman hardly proves magic is "obviously absurd," no more than counterfeit money proves real money doesn't exist. Bernardo Kastrup, whom who discuss elsewhere, addresses this issue re his own, Schopenhauer-ish metaphysics. Magic would be impossible in a purely materialistic world, but if "the world is mental" as Kastrup says, it does indeed become possible (there is no impassible wall btw my will and the world) but in practice unlikely enough to be ignored outside of entertainment. Schopenhauer's world may not entail magic, but magic does entail a world along the lines of Schopenhauer or Kastrup. I discuss New Thought and relate it to Evola's "Magical Idealism," Crowley's Magick and Neo Platonism in my recent book, Mysticism After Modernism: Crowley, Evola, Neville, Watts, Colin Wilson and Other Populist Gurus. Had I known more about Schopenhauer I would have included him as well.
Does money exist? There is a question. Or is money simply collectively imagined? You see a big house and see a lot of money behind it. A sparrow flying overhead sees nothing of the sort, just a construction of wood, brick, stone, concrete and glass and does not even see it as a "property" of some sort. The same sparrow does not see property boundaries or different nations when flying over national borders, all things which have to be collectively imagined in order to have any existence
This is das trick because this is how magic happens:
By hurling my self into das abyss and then discovering it is a feather bed made of roses.
I've started reading WWR all the way through, I've read bits of it before but not from beginning to end. I'm halfway through the third book of volume 1, and enjoying it thoroughly. Thank you for your videos on Schopenhauer, they're always very interesting.
Thank you! Enjoy WWR, it's a rewarding read
My thoughts: Is your non-belief in magic, as Schopenhauer conceived of it (Will accomplishing seemingly super-natural, or super-material things) based one an apriori bias, a prejudice against the possibility of magic common to our generation, or philosophically thought-out? In the video your claims against magic seem naive, whereas Schopenhauer's belief in magic does not, even if he is wrong. There is a structure from which Schopenhauer can rationalize magic, where your assumption that the magical act was faked and that the acted upon was a plant have no similar logical basis. No proof.
The “magician” was an undisputed fraud. But we will redo this video because we were unnecessarily harsh on Schopenhauer in this one.
@@WeltgeistYT Please delve into Schopenhauer's thoughts on race and how it was influenced by geography and climate.
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_The magicians would dispute it. But you don't think they exist. Brilliant._
_Modern mathematical physics is voodoo. Heraclitus said, nature loves to conceal herself. Francis Bacon said, you have to put nature on the torture rack -- and force her to give you her secrets. Why do you think a zillions and zillions of particles are being "discovered"? The mathematical formulas FORCE nature to respond accordingly. It is inventive, as Einstein said. This is same principle as magic which you so stringently opposed. The irony is outrageous._
@@WeltgeistYT Yes am sorry to say but this video felt like the presumptuous revenge of a mediocre mind over a great one. Also such "acts" are actually possible without tricks or fraudsters being planted. Suggestion can indeed, under the impetus of a skilled hypnotiser, lead to real physiological impact on someone... which again relates to the conception that the will plays out in manners we hardly begin to grasp with mere mechanistic science.
@@WeltgeistYT don't listen this comment, your video was awesome. And it's pretty stupid to believe in magic indeed, just like believing in ghosts; in the fourfold root of the principle of sufficient reason, Schopenhauer explains why people that believe in ghosts are stupid because of their lack of understanding of the intuitive world. Sorry if my English is bad
lmfao how i started laughing at 2:34, that's something that sounds for schopenhauer like something like my sister and I sounds for nietzsche, i didn't expect that at all
Imagine if Schopenhauer ever took psychedelics. I wish I could read a trip report form him
You and me both
Das whole world is a freaking hell
He’d cry
Seems a lot like what Neville Goddard talks about manifesting reality in accordance to one's will and thought patterns
And he was a total nutter!
great video as always, keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Jung makes a similar claim with his concept of Synchronicity....and it is far from crazy. The interaction between Will and Matter may be more complex then the kind of simple 'trick' versions depicted on stage, but the idea that our conscious states may have an effect on the physical world in a non-local way is well worth exploring and considering. The only argument against this is a commitment to pure reductionism ...and that has more problems as an approach.
Yeah this is one reason I'm super interested in neuroscience and how seeing or thinking about certain things causes the physical areas of the brain to react. I think about how much the mind manifests reactions (and reality) a lot and I've been super deep in Jung's work off and on the last couple years as well as others who have expanded on his ideas around synchronicity, archetypes, etc
Rupert Sheldrake's idea of "Morphic Resonance" comes to mind as well
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I love to see Magick everywhere, and now I know I can fully appreciate Schopenhauer
Never over esteem anyone
I should note, the famous Mesmer and others laid the ground work for clinical hypnosis, and performed similar feats of 'control', without confederates, plants. I have also performed these pieces for entertainment and can attest that it's merely a linguistic and symbolic manipulation, within the context of play, which works immediately with about 30% of any population, and can feel very real to the participant.
Although the example of the magician is silly, Schopenhauer's explanations end up making a wonderful link between his work and the work of Carlos Castaneda: the tonal (representation) and the nagual (will)
Do you have any recommended books to learn more?
@@WeltgeistYT Tales of Power
Almost every story he told - from the details of his background to tales of his time with don Juan - was a fabrication. By the early 1970s, investigative journalists and researchers were finding massive holes in his accounts.
Richard DeMille published 'Castaneda's Journey', a point-by-point repudiation of Castaneda's tale of don Juan. He noted that Castaneda kept no field notes, incorrectly used Native terms, inaccurately described Native practices and everything he claimed to have uncovered was already known to anthropologists and researchers.
João, enroll in Magic School
Conan Doyle, who created the Sherlock Holmes character, believed in fairies. Quiet a few mining companies paid Uri Geller millions to "find" mineral rich ore bodies they could prospect.
Actually, was not because of this supposed hypnotist that Schopenhauer believed in Magic, but for his studying of Böehme, Mesmer, Agrippa, Paracelsus. This case was only one possible example of Magic manifesting in the world of representation. The bases of Schopenhauer's system are all in accord with Western Esoteric Tradition, from Hermeticism to Rosicrucianism. The judgement of Magic as Stupidity made by the author of the video says less about Magic than about his very limited, grotesque and ludicrous misconceptions and preconceptions regarding it.
Yes, I do regret using the wording I did in this video. A follow-up video is in order.
Fantasia nostalgia hitting hard from 7:15 to end of video.
You have to believe in magic to accept Shopenhauer's metaphysics
keep em coming.
We will
Interesting! What old film is the footage from?
A 1930 film called "The Wizard's Apprentice". It's a silent movie inspired by Goethe's poem "The Sorcerer's Apprentice". Fitting because Schopenhauer was a huge Goethe fan. You can watch it here: czcams.com/video/siHLAt_sqk8/video.html .
I don't agree with the dough/cookies metaphor as it implies affecting the will requires affecting the timeline as well
The will and its representation exist at the same time
A closer resemblance could be about a home appliance affecting the power source so it would magically affect another appliance
Schopenhauer always explained every concussion he came to. As an admirer of his I find it strange that you feel no need at all to explain why you find his conclusions "patently absurd"
2:40 “Do you really believe that? That someone would go on stage and tell lies?”
'Oh no, a magician' said the laws of physics
Is his philosophy about magic based only on this example, or did he provide any other examples in his other works?
There is more. We’ll do an update on this video since, in retrospect, this video was too superficial
@@WeltgeistYT Awesome! I will look forward to watching it. Thanks!
Belief in magic and superstitious stuff can often give people a sense of feeling special. Schopenhauer clearly had a desire to be such as seen through his relationship with his mother.
In his belief in magic, he didn't earn the right to feel special.
In his philosophy, he did earn the right to feel special.
Awesome and great conclusion.
Thanks!
This is very interesting! I wonder if this had any influence on his views on miracles, after all, what's the real difference between the two?
What makes it even more interesting is how, in his works, he inclines against miracles:
"(...)every faith founded on miracles and revelation must disappear; and philosophy takes its place.” a quote from Parerga and Paralipomena.
We might do a video on Schopenhauer's view on religion in the future. It's interesting
What if Shopenhauer was just playing dumb in order to troll us?
AS I used to tell my students: "Don't believe everything you think."
“Think everything you believe”
Magic is a star being born - Jeo Ruv
Schopenhauer didn't master Vedic Sanskrit, lol. He relies on the standard German translations of the Upanishads that came out in 1810. So that's totally wrong.
The woman on stage was planted? Did Schopenhauer find out afterwards somehow?
Maybe. He never wrote anything else about the incident.
whoever been in a magic mushroom trip knows that he is actually right.
Correct
I knew there was something to David Blaine's magic! Lol. That guy can tap into the World of Will.
All philosophy of Shopenhauer is made "after observation (or fackt)" of world as representation.
_Yes. Not only do I "believe in" the tradition of Western Ceremonial Magic, I practice it._
_So did a man called John Dee._
_By the way, friend, I suggest reading the Ra Material (1981). You won't know what to think!_
"Has puzzled readers for centuries"
Published 185 years ago
Good video, though. Yeah in Victorian times, people thought telekinesis, ESP, and communication with the dead could be the next frontier of science. After all, electricity was a newly-discovered phenomenon that was invisible, powerful, and pervaded the entire world. People thought psychic energy could be a similar phenomenon, or that electricity could be harnessed psychically.
Schopenhauer as most of us was so desperate to transcend this world of suffering, he fell for a cheap trick. Who amongst us has not done the same?
Therefore I skateboard.
Arthur originated the Alteration school.
mfw Arthur Schopenhauer was a manic pixie dream girl
the dudes will to power tricked schoppenhauer weak will
Reminds me when Sir Conan Doyle believed that fairies were actually photographed. Your videos are always interesting, thank you.
I never knew that! Interesting
He wanted to believe.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle believed in fairies. Many people here in US still believe in a god and angels and demons, and ghosts and goblins..
Do you see such people as inferior to you ? As dirt beneath your feet ?
maybe in that case it was a scam, but who knows, I left 1% open to the possibility for some type of "magic".
Magic is science only unexplained yet.
Why is kickflip a trick on das skateboard ?
Skateboarding is real magic!
riding on a piece of wood and breaking your wrist or spraining your ankle?
Dude is overthinking it too much.
Hell yeah dude
Sorry... A rather shallow and self limiting viewpoint, far too materialist in its conclusions. The universe is self evidently full of phenomena we do not yet understand and so without becoming over credulous a bit more humility in the light of our immense ignorance would not go amiss. It’s not that long ago scientists were claiming that ‘the end of science’ was at hand and that all was known, that didn’t pan out too well did it?
I agree. But Schopenhauer was simply objectively wrong concerning the Italian magician.
Hmmm there is likely another layer there.
I am WILL Carter. There are scientists who believe in psychic power.
"Deficiency of understanding is called stupidity. It is just dulness in applying the law of causality, incapacity for the immediate apprehension of the concatenations of causes and effects, motives and actions. A stupid person has no insight into the connection of natural phenomena, either when they follow their own course, or when they are intentionally combined, i.e., are applied to machinery. Such a man readily believes in magic and miracles. A stupid man does not observe that persons, who apparently act independently of each other, are really in collusion; he is therefore easily mystified, and outwitted; he does not discern the hidden motives of proffered advice or expressions of opinion, &c. But it is always just one thing that he lacks-keenness, rapidity, ease in applying the law of causality, i.e., power of understanding."
-Artur Shopenhauer "The World as Will and Presentation"
Thank you so much. This passage is what IMMEDIATELY came to mind during this video. Soo, did Schopenhauer fall for it?
I guess he wasn't street smart.
But he equates belief in magic to stupidity
"A stupid person has no insight into the connexion of natural phenomena, either when they appear of their own accord or when they are intentionally controlled, in other words made to serve machines. For this reason, he readily believes in magic and miracles."
How dare you say Magic is stupid ! C'mon man you simply don't know anything about it. You may try to read - The myth of Disenchantment by Joseph stormson
Schopenhauer did not believe in magic or anything supernatural. This opposes his philosophy.
Crunchy cookie? No way….chewy is way better.
Some unfair digs at ol Schoppy : the Mahayanists also believe in magic, why don't you consider their view?
This video was a bit crass. We’ll release an updated version.
@@WeltgeistYT great job and thnxs 🙏 for the feedback
Nowadays it's called hypnosis.
Just goes to show how smart he was..... not.
Newton believed in alchemy an other mumbo jumbo
@@Nemo-sz2qy exactly what I thought.
2:13 I like that this is the same guy who thought women were stupid.
Honestly. Embarrassing!
@@polymathable His mom scolding him was super cool and awesome. I hope he cried a lot because of things she said to him.
Schopenhauer's metaphysics belong in the trash.
No he’s correct
@@Napoleonwilson1973 If you really think there's a metaphysical will, independent of conscious beings, contrary to materialism or naturalism, there is something wrong with your thinking.
@@Manx123 not independent of conscious beings or a conscious being.
@@Napoleonwilson1973 Well, this is Schopenhauer's metaphysics: will being more fundamental than objective reality.
@@Manx123 he was in the right direction though if we substitute the word will for other phenomena then there is truth to it.
"Deficiency of understanding is called stupidity. It is just dulness in applying the law of causality, incapacity for the immediate apprehension of the concatenations of causes and effects, motives and actions. A stupid person has no insight into the connection of natural phenomena, either when they follow their own course, or when they are intentionally combined, i.e., are applied to machinery. Such a man readily believes in magic and miracles. A stupid man does not observe that persons, who apparently act independently of each other, are really in collusion; he is therefore easily mystified, and outwitted; he does not discern the hidden motives of proffered advice or expressions of opinion, &c. But it is always just one thing that he lacks-keenness, rapidity, ease in applying the law of causality, i.e., power of understanding."
-Artur Shopenhauer "The World as Will and Presentation"