i dont think that we should accept certain things in lost ark just because "its a Korean mmo" that doesnt justify the bad practices really feels like your just trying to justify bad practices while ignoring peoples points sometimes if you want RNGs where you "have to have High Highs and Low Lows" just go to a casino bro
@hellaTingly I think it's more about hiding behind the bs "it's a kr mmo" is just a cop out and an excuse than being a matter of my enjoyment vs yours
@@makriate then western players need to give criticism to AGS to make it more friendly for the west, but who knows how much say they actually have in the changes from SG
Why go to west market when u keep it "korean". And when i hear its korean mmo excuse i want to punch something. I dont care where its coming from, I want to succeed it in my space and its not working in "korean" style. Just dont discard goood suggestion with its korean XD
@misoxshiru I am not sure how many hours per day you are able to devote to lost ark. But it is literally unviable for people who have regular 9 to 5 jobs, occasionally hanging out with family and friends during the weekends, going for vacations and whatnot. Isn't this the majority of what regular people does? It is a pity imo as the combat and variety of classes are really good.
Funny thing is there are big gaps between content in Lost Ark just like other western mmos, it just only exists in Korea. The NA/EU version of LoA is at twice the pace, so its no shit that people feel burned. Which is surprising when you bring up this reddit thread which has posts that describe this exact problem in detail. And no, just because a game is a KRMMO, it doesnt mean you as a publisher cant adjust the game to meet taste of a different region. Nexon has done so with Maplestory with Reboot for the West, why can't SG/AGS do the same for LoA?
And how many years did it take Reboot to do that? Sadly it doesn’t seem as simple as “let’s just do it” but it probably takes years of data and convincing to actually set a plan like this into motion.
@@MisoxShiru Well, the other sad part is that content creators and the 1%'ers with their attitudes and takes will end up causing a lot of people to quit. I mean FFS Black Desert almost died because of the same type of attitude. Then the PA took back publishing rights and told the hardcore people to F'Off, they are going to save the game. And they did. And guess what? Those hardcore players are still there, the content creators that balked at it are still there making a pay check. Edit: And I want to be very clear here. The reason people are burnt out is because the pacing is absolutely dog shit. The pace the content comes, community standards for gatekeeping (which I think solo raids won't solve unless they keep up with current f'ing content), etc etc. All of this contributes to that feeling. And yes, this is a KRMMO but it's also extremely accelerated and no, global doesn't get any down time at all. Even heavily invested high swiping vets are leaving. Even though T4 should be a good thing, only a small percentage of folks are actually happy with it.
@@saikame5833 I’ve been preaching for a while now that the only way this game will ever start to get close to a version we are happy about is if SG takes publishing rights from AGS for the west. So if that were to happen I’d be very happy.
Yeah, we're getting the gold sinks here that they used to slow people's progression down in Korea, but we don't need to slow down since we're getting it now at a much faster pace. We didn't have a content drought with a year of Brel to hoard gold until Kayangel and Akkan. We had 3 MONTHS. There was no adjustments for us, they just shoveled the content to us as fast as possible. Which is what, in the old forums, a very vocal group kept demanding. We got Argos two months after LOA was released in AGS's game. Korea had over a year from what I remember. And people complained that it was too soon. Even with the 1340-1370 dead zone that got corrected with a stronghold buff. I think, as a developer, they're not sure how much longer LOA is going to last here, so they're not putting a ton of resources into the AGS version of the game. If we had a dedicated team at SG working on our version, we might see more player retention and less player loss, but when you're talking about millions of dollars, not many companies can bankroll that kind of gamble.
@@MisoxShiru I honestly think that if SG takes over for the NA version that shit is dying quicker, I know everyone likes to put a lot of NA issues on AGS but not going to lie a lot of the good changes That are exclusive to NA that eventually even went to Korea was because AGS asked for it. We would never have gotten those changes if SG ran the NA version. And people would have realized Just how much of a grindy mmo this was from the beginning and drop of a lot quicker. Yes AGS has fucked up and have done certain things that didn't make sense but all in all They have done a lot more good for the game IN NA than SG would have ever done. I.E SG only cares about Korea base already now think if AGS wasn't their to somewhat fight for us.
I never said I like all the RNG in Lost Ark but I do like RNG features. There is a limit to how much RNG should be in a game but RNG features are in every game/MMO and they are fun if done correctly.
The fact that he mentioned Gw2 in comparison to LOA is crazy.. GW2 is strictly a Horizontal Game, you can leave for years and come back and you'd still be relevant. Huge contrast to a game like LOA. The fact that the new Director is specifically the "Vertical Content" guy now, should have given these players the cue that it will always be a Vertical game, and T4 is just a new (bigger) Vertical System, nothing you have now will stay in its same relevancy a year from now.
Lost Ark is not for casual play, it's designed for hardcore/whale-type players as are most Korean MMOS. This game is not for everyone, I quit after 6k hours and multiple 1620s
I think the biggest issue is catering to hardcore players (hard mode progression locking as example). Couple that to a roughly 2X release cadence on top of the normal Korean gaming grind style creates a toxic environment that we are seeing. AGS fumbling the T4 gift is another big L as they need to address all elixir/transcendence/advanced honing concerns immediately with regards to T4 release schedule.
The game is padded out like this on purpose. Normal mode is "fair", and hard mode is whale bait. The goal posts have always been shifting since the very beginning. Tier 10 gems and +25 weapons are swipe tier. The game is time gated so we can have people playing at all times for new players to play with. All of this is by design. Smilegate, a company with a very successful gacha game, of course know exactlly how to turn the nobs to trick you psychologcially into spending. There is no investment. There is no arguing to fix the monetization. We are numbers to a company with no face. They arent our friends. Even if everyone did boycott or quit, it's their decision to change the monetization + design or shut down the servers. I hope this whiplash will help people evalute what they want for themselves. But its been the same ride since the very beginning. We've played the same 3 classes doing the same 3 activities for many months. Smilegate has a really good talent for dressing up the same dish and serving it to us.
I'm really looking forward to T4, at the same time I'm managing my expectations, because I'm a returning player. I returned before Thaemine release, and been trying to catch up since. Now, I've seen people complain about a lot of things, specifically quality and maybe gems more so in KR,- I haven't looked into it yet - but I don't know specifically if people are complaining about honing to 1620. That takes many many months to get there, and you haven't spent on gems, elixirs, transcendence. I barely managed to get my main to 1620 3 weeks after Thaemine release, and I've already spent close to 250k-300k gold on elixirs, and I barely have 35 set, not to talk about transcendence. On gem department I only have 1-2 lvl9s on a few alts, rest are all 7s and on main I have 2 lvl10s of which one of them is a dmg gem, which I bought, the other one is a failed gamba. My current concern is that, how is your average person going to get settled in T4 if you'd manage to get alts to 1620 by that point? It costs as much to hone to 1610 from 1580, as from 1610 to 1620, very expensive. I'd also like to mention that the best example of a korean MMO in the west is BDO. I've played a decent amount of it, about 1-1.5 hours, and I've never been hard grinding, and I feel comfortable in that game whenever I pick it up. You can also just minimize it to tray and afk fish or something to get currency, while playing something else, not to talk about the shitton of events they provide.
if 1 system was RNG thats fine but when every single system we have in the game is rng then it frustrates people. I don't know anyone that says doing chaos dungeon, guardian raid, unas tasks daily is fun. There are so many issues with this game that transcend KMMOS.
I disagree with you. We can call this game a "Korean MMO," but we also need to acknowledge that we're "Western Players." I want this Korean MMO to make slight adjustments for a Western audience. Just as game companies alter art to align with different cultures, monetization should also adapt. We see the game declining, and rebranding it won't help players understand why things are the way they are. It's the developers' job to solve our problems if they want to attract new players and retain existing ones. Acknowledging the hurricane doesn't fix the leaks or steer us to safer waters.
The Game promotes obsessive and unhealthy practices by using psychological fomo and other manipulation, but it's all good because it's made in Korea guys! It's Korean so that makes it all right, don't you know *every* Korean game does that? L take in case you didn't get my sarcasm.
I do not think that there exist some kind of excuse "this is how KR MMOs are" it is like saying that every mobile game have to be p2w trash because that is simply standard. Lets stop excusing bad systems and greedy decisions by LA being something KR MMO. Dont we have very recent example of Maple Story which is big KR MMO where West version is much less grindy and p2w? There are multiple problems with T4 and main ones are in my eyes cards and elixirs staying basically unchanged. Can someone explain me how exactly this is supposed to be catchup for new players when first thing which will happen are them being gatekept for T3 vertical system anyway? This is not reset, this is just switch to more rng systems...
this is the thing i said about lost ark content creators is that you guys are trying so hard to justify this shit almost everyone including most kr players are uncertain about season 3 my guy "YOUR LIZARD SKIN IS SHOWING" Last year it was the same thing, you want me to fight with a shit ton of rng system and you see no problem with that
I’m assuming you are referring to my comment about warframe? If so, here is what ChatGPT says: Warframe is often categorized as a "cooperative online action game" rather than a traditional MMO. While it does have multiplayer elements and a persistent online world, it's more focused on cooperative gameplay and missions rather than the expansive, open-world environments typically associated with MMOs. However, the lines between genres can sometimes blur, and some people may consider Warframe to have MMO-like elements.
Think about it like a WoW expansion. Of course you want more content and more stuff to work with. People didn't get mad when other MMOs have expanions lol
Who the fuck wants to play a video game and have highs and lows. Video games come down to is it fun or not. All these bullshit rng systems suck the fun out of the game that's why people are mad game was fun untill all the bs rng systems came in now the game is miserable.
@@gentlycz not only are they single player, but they also have pity systems that guarantee you get the item or hero you are pulling for. Essentially, LA is more of a gacha game than the actual gacha games.
Rolling bracelets, gems, and stones are fun (unless I’m really trying hard for a 7/7 for a new character). Elixirs were fun at first but need some QOL right now. Transcendence is whatever. Quality isn’t great but they are adding pity which makes it better.
for me this change is the worst thing ever... im a F2P and was farming a lot for month just to get gem10 and gold for builds.. and right now all my work values nothing, just all of my time dumped in the trash! All the changes on mechanics are good, but why not just modify the existent tier???? Hard Reset for F2P is not good... Just Whales will benefit from it
thats how kr MMO work, if we dont get medium reset, we will forever trap with another layer vertical content, and another more crazy gatekeeper, and also no new generation come to play the result game literally DEAD, just look reality on the field on thaemine hard mode, literally people who recently catch up at the very end game raid had a support crisis, just stay at lobby for few hours waiting for nothing ended up party disbanded. You can't even run thaemine hard mode with this situation. but to be fair its also ags fault we where accelerated to fast and also no the material supporting people to 1630 its kinda low not really much free material was given to us.
You farmed for a few months to get a bunch of gold for builds. Now that gold buys you so much more. Lvl.10 CD are down like 20k and now they count for the same value as a Damage gem for trade-up fodder> If you bought damage gems, you will have to sell them and buy CD gems instead if you want to recoup most of your losses. For NAW that was 380k before LOA-ON, 270k now and 180k for a 33k loss and some difficulties before T4 comes. The 10-15% value loss on gems is fairly small.
Since when gw2 is western mmo? Same for final fantasy? Loa might be korean but that's why we have separate game version from them. If game wants to thrive on west, should be adjust for west. Stating that it cannot do so because its korean is stupid af. Game is changing for china a lot because china players have different mentality, rng and less p2w should be included in our version as part of westernisation
I've played this game since release, i'm fairly resilient to things. Yes people will never be happy but to say that this game is in a good place right now is crazy. They needed to add in the rewards we were missing from having expedited game play and that needed to be everywhere like chaos dungeons, raids, guardian raids all the content needed to give us 50-80% more. this includes gold. The game had major issues in our version that were never addressed that led to burnout. I'm stopping until t4 comes out because i have 3x1620+ and 3x1630+. That you for the break SG
![[Lost Ark] Letter from Developers, T4 detail summary](/img/n.gif)
i dont think that we should accept certain things in lost ark just because "its a Korean mmo" that doesnt justify the bad practices really feels like your just trying to justify bad practices while ignoring peoples points sometimes if you want RNGs where you "have to have High Highs and Low Lows" just go to a casino bro
Just because you don’t enjoy it doesn’t meant others don’t enjoy it lol.
@hellaTingly I think it's more about hiding behind the bs "it's a kr mmo" is just a cop out and an excuse than being a matter of my enjoyment vs yours
@@makriate then western players need to give criticism to AGS to make it more friendly for the west, but who knows how much say they actually have in the changes from SG
"Its a korean mmo" i swear this triggers me everytime
Why go to west market when u keep it "korean".
And when i hear its korean mmo excuse i want to punch something.
I dont care where its coming from, I want to succeed it in my space and its not working in "korean" style.
Just dont discard goood suggestion with its korean XD
The game respects your time ☝️
@misoxshiru I am not sure how many hours per day you are able to devote to lost ark. But it is literally unviable for people who have regular 9 to 5 jobs, occasionally hanging out with family and friends during the weekends, going for vacations and whatnot. Isn't this the majority of what regular people does? It is a pity imo as the combat and variety of classes are really good.
Funny thing is there are big gaps between content in Lost Ark just like other western mmos, it just only exists in Korea. The NA/EU version of LoA is at twice the pace, so its no shit that people feel burned. Which is surprising when you bring up this reddit thread which has posts that describe this exact problem in detail. And no, just because a game is a KRMMO, it doesnt mean you as a publisher cant adjust the game to meet taste of a different region. Nexon has done so with Maplestory with Reboot for the West, why can't SG/AGS do the same for LoA?
And how many years did it take Reboot to do that? Sadly it doesn’t seem as simple as “let’s just do it” but it probably takes years of data and convincing to actually set a plan like this into motion.
@@MisoxShiru Well, the other sad part is that content creators and the 1%'ers with their attitudes and takes will end up causing a lot of people to quit. I mean FFS Black Desert almost died because of the same type of attitude. Then the PA took back publishing rights and told the hardcore people to F'Off, they are going to save the game. And they did. And guess what? Those hardcore players are still there, the content creators that balked at it are still there making a pay check.
Edit: And I want to be very clear here. The reason people are burnt out is because the pacing is absolutely dog shit. The pace the content comes, community standards for gatekeeping (which I think solo raids won't solve unless they keep up with current f'ing content), etc etc. All of this contributes to that feeling. And yes, this is a KRMMO but it's also extremely accelerated and no, global doesn't get any down time at all. Even heavily invested high swiping vets are leaving. Even though T4 should be a good thing, only a small percentage of folks are actually happy with it.
@@saikame5833 I’ve been preaching for a while now that the only way this game will ever start to get close to a version we are happy about is if SG takes publishing rights from AGS for the west. So if that were to happen I’d be very happy.
Yeah, we're getting the gold sinks here that they used to slow people's progression down in Korea, but we don't need to slow down since we're getting it now at a much faster pace. We didn't have a content drought with a year of Brel to hoard gold until Kayangel and Akkan. We had 3 MONTHS. There was no adjustments for us, they just shoveled the content to us as fast as possible. Which is what, in the old forums, a very vocal group kept demanding. We got Argos two months after LOA was released in AGS's game. Korea had over a year from what I remember. And people complained that it was too soon. Even with the 1340-1370 dead zone that got corrected with a stronghold buff.
I think, as a developer, they're not sure how much longer LOA is going to last here, so they're not putting a ton of resources into the AGS version of the game. If we had a dedicated team at SG working on our version, we might see more player retention and less player loss, but when you're talking about millions of dollars, not many companies can bankroll that kind of gamble.
@@MisoxShiru I honestly think that if SG takes over for the NA version that shit is dying quicker, I know everyone likes to put a lot of NA issues on AGS but not going to lie a lot of the good changes That are exclusive to NA that eventually even went to Korea was because AGS asked for it. We would never have gotten those changes if SG ran the NA version. And people would have realized Just how much of a grindy mmo this was from the beginning and drop of a lot quicker. Yes AGS has fucked up and have done certain things that didn't make sense but all in all They have done a lot more good for the game IN NA than SG would have ever done. I.E SG only cares about Korea base already now think if AGS wasn't their to somewhat fight for us.
The fact you openly admitted to liking all the rng in Lost Ark negates any other viable thing you said in this video.
I never said I like all the RNG in Lost Ark but I do like RNG features. There is a limit to how much RNG should be in a game but RNG features are in every game/MMO and they are fun if done correctly.
The fact that he mentioned Gw2 in comparison to LOA is crazy.. GW2 is strictly a Horizontal Game, you can leave for years and come back and you'd still be relevant. Huge contrast to a game like LOA.
The fact that the new Director is specifically the "Vertical Content" guy now, should have given these players the cue that it will always be a Vertical game, and T4 is just a new (bigger) Vertical System, nothing you have now will stay in its same relevancy a year from now.
Lost Ark is not for casual play, it's designed for hardcore/whale-type players as are most Korean MMOS. This game is not for everyone, I quit after 6k hours and multiple 1620s
I think the biggest issue is catering to hardcore players (hard mode progression locking as example). Couple that to a roughly 2X release cadence on top of the normal Korean gaming grind style creates a toxic environment that we are seeing.
AGS fumbling the T4 gift is another big L as they need to address all elixir/transcendence/advanced honing concerns immediately with regards to T4 release schedule.
The game is padded out like this on purpose. Normal mode is "fair", and hard mode is whale bait. The goal posts have always been shifting since the very beginning. Tier 10 gems and +25 weapons are swipe tier.
The game is time gated so we can have people playing at all times for new players to play with. All of this is by design. Smilegate, a company with a very successful gacha game, of course know exactlly how to turn the nobs to trick you psychologcially into spending.
There is no investment. There is no arguing to fix the monetization. We are numbers to a company with no face. They arent our friends. Even if everyone did boycott or quit, it's their decision to change the monetization + design or shut down the servers.
I hope this whiplash will help people evalute what they want for themselves. But its been the same ride since the very beginning. We've played the same 3 classes doing the same 3 activities for many months. Smilegate has a really good talent for dressing up the same dish and serving it to us.
I'm really looking forward to T4, at the same time I'm managing my expectations, because I'm a returning player. I returned before Thaemine release, and been trying to catch up since.
Now, I've seen people complain about a lot of things, specifically quality and maybe gems more so in KR,- I haven't looked into it yet - but I don't know specifically if people are complaining about honing to 1620. That takes many many months to get there, and you haven't spent on gems, elixirs, transcendence. I barely managed to get my main to 1620 3 weeks after Thaemine release, and I've already spent close to 250k-300k gold on elixirs, and I barely have 35 set, not to talk about transcendence. On gem department I only have 1-2 lvl9s on a few alts, rest are all 7s and on main I have 2 lvl10s of which one of them is a dmg gem, which I bought, the other one is a failed gamba.
My current concern is that, how is your average person going to get settled in T4 if you'd manage to get alts to 1620 by that point? It costs as much to hone to 1610 from 1580, as from 1610 to 1620, very expensive.
I'd also like to mention that the best example of a korean MMO in the west is BDO. I've played a decent amount of it, about 1-1.5 hours, and I've never been hard grinding, and I feel comfortable in that game whenever I pick it up. You can also just minimize it to tray and afk fish or something to get currency, while playing something else, not to talk about the shitton of events they provide.
if 1 system was RNG thats fine but when every single system we have in the game is rng then it frustrates people.
I don't know anyone that says doing chaos dungeon, guardian raid, unas tasks daily is fun. There are so many issues with this game that transcend KMMOS.
And that ladies and gentlemen，is how you kill a game，telling your player base to just quit. Then ppl quit
I disagree with you. We can call this game a "Korean MMO," but we also need to acknowledge that we're "Western Players." I want this Korean MMO to make slight adjustments for a Western audience. Just as game companies alter art to align with different cultures, monetization should also adapt. We see the game declining, and rebranding it won't help players understand why things are the way they are. It's the developers' job to solve our problems if they want to attract new players and retain existing ones. Acknowledging the hurricane doesn't fix the leaks or steer us to safer waters.
I think u totally missed the point of y ppl r mad.. do u think that the game is jus not for us bc we r not Korean hahaha
The Game promotes obsessive and unhealthy practices by using psychological fomo and other manipulation, but it's all good because it's made in Korea guys! It's Korean so that makes it all right, don't you know *every* Korean game does that?
L take in case you didn't get my sarcasm.
A lot of good memories from seal online ....
same....
3 videos about this and you're making it worse man, don't make people hate you :/
Gems sellers are madge now because of level 10 gems are pricing right now. 😅
I have also played a few KRMMOs but the RNG systems in lost Ark is on another level
The systems r literally changing
I do not think that there exist some kind of excuse "this is how KR MMOs are" it is like saying that every mobile game have to be p2w trash because that is simply standard. Lets stop excusing bad systems and greedy decisions by LA being something KR MMO. Dont we have very recent example of Maple Story which is big KR MMO where West version is much less grindy and p2w? There are multiple problems with T4 and main ones are in my eyes cards and elixirs staying basically unchanged. Can someone explain me how exactly this is supposed to be catchup for new players when first thing which will happen are them being gatekept for T3 vertical system anyway? This is not reset, this is just switch to more rng systems...
this is the thing i said about lost ark content creators is that you guys are trying so hard to justify this shit almost everyone including most kr players are uncertain about season 3 my guy "YOUR LIZARD SKIN IS SHOWING" Last year it was the same thing, you want me to fight with a shit ton of rng system and you see no problem with that
Lost Ark grind is a lot. I agree. not a game for everyone.
MMO doesn't mean RPG
I’m assuming you are referring to my comment about warframe? If so, here is what ChatGPT says:
Warframe is often categorized as a "cooperative online action game" rather than a traditional MMO. While it does have multiplayer elements and a persistent online world, it's more focused on cooperative gameplay and missions rather than the expansive, open-world environments typically associated with MMOs. However, the lines between genres can sometimes blur, and some people may consider Warframe to have MMO-like elements.
@@MisoxShiru By that logic my favourite MMORPG is Call of Duty: Warzone.
Think about it like a WoW expansion. Of course you want more content and more stuff to work with. People didn't get mad when other MMOs have expanions lol
next time when you make a vid about a post maybe first read it.
Who the fuck wants to play a video game and have highs and lows. Video games come down to is it fun or not. All these bullshit rng systems suck the fun out of the game that's why people are mad game was fun untill all the bs rng systems came in now the game is miserable.
*looks at the hordes of gacha gamers* 😅
Shhhh don’t anger that community! They will be after u like hawks!
@@MisoxShiru arent gacha games basically single-player? aka you can try the content at least
@@gentlycz not only are they single player, but they also have pity systems that guarantee you get the item or hero you are pulling for. Essentially, LA is more of a gacha game than the actual gacha games.
so u like quality, random gem, bracelets again etc huh
Rolling bracelets, gems, and stones are fun (unless I’m really trying hard for a 7/7 for a new character). Elixirs were fun at first but need some QOL right now. Transcendence is whatever. Quality isn’t great but they are adding pity which makes it better.
for me this change is the worst thing ever... im a F2P and was farming a lot for month just to get gem10 and gold for builds.. and right now all my work values nothing, just all of my time dumped in the trash!
All the changes on mechanics are good, but why not just modify the existent tier????
Hard Reset for F2P is not good... Just Whales will benefit from it
thats how kr MMO work, if we dont get medium reset, we will forever trap with another layer vertical content, and another more crazy gatekeeper, and also no new generation come to play the result game literally DEAD, just look reality on the field on thaemine hard mode, literally people who recently catch up at the very end game raid had a support crisis, just stay at lobby for few hours waiting for nothing ended up party disbanded. You can't even run thaemine hard mode with this situation. but to be fair its also ags fault we where accelerated to fast and also no the material supporting people to 1630 its kinda low not really much free material was given to us.
You farmed for a few months to get a bunch of gold for builds. Now that gold buys you so much more. Lvl.10 CD are down like 20k and now they count for the same value as a Damage gem for trade-up fodder> If you bought damage gems, you will have to sell them and buy CD gems instead if you want to recoup most of your losses. For NAW that was 380k before LOA-ON, 270k now and 180k for a 33k loss and some difficulties before T4 comes. The 10-15% value loss on gems is fairly small.
Since when gw2 is western mmo? Same for final fantasy? Loa might be korean but that's why we have separate game version from them. If game wants to thrive on west, should be adjust for west. Stating that it cannot do so because its korean is stupid af. Game is changing for china a lot because china players have different mentality, rng and less p2w should be included in our version as part of westernisation
Lost ark is not even a "game"
babies ganna cry any way
Ok I had to come say ags is cooking 😊
People will never be happy. They just want everything handed to them. I don't know why they play this, or nearly any game for that matter.
I've played this game since release, i'm fairly resilient to things. Yes people will never be happy but to say that this game is in a good place right now is crazy. They needed to add in the rewards we were missing from having expedited game play and that needed to be everywhere like chaos dungeons, raids, guardian raids all the content needed to give us 50-80% more. this includes gold.
The game had major issues in our version that were never addressed that led to burnout. I'm stopping until t4 comes out because i have 3x1620+ and 3x1630+. That you for the break SG