Why I Prefer Gran Turismo 3 over Gran Turismo 4 | Why I Chose GT3 for "Choose My Let's Play
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2017
- GT4 Gameplay Begins: 0:21
GT3 Gameplay Begins: 5:26
Side-By-Side Lap Comparison: 8:11
The keen-eyed will notice that the power only says 276HP at the start of the video. The actual power of the car is not displayed due to the Japanese "gentleman's agreement" regarding the power output of cars back in the day. The real power is detailed below:
Car: 2000 Impreza WRX STi Sedan
Settings: Power raised to 323HP (Oil Change, Racing ECU, Port Polish)
Suspension: Full Customize | Spring Rate: 6.0 Front/5.0 Rear | Ride Height: 140mm all around | Shock Rebound: 7 Front/8 Rear | Shock Bound: 7 Front/8 Rear | Camber: -1.0 Front/ -0.5 Rear | Toe: None | Sway Bars: 3 Front/4 Rear
Racing Brakes
Dirt Tires
LSD: None
Weight Reduction Stage 1
Car is basically set up for mild oversteer
Someone on a forum asked why I chose Gran Turismo 3 over Gran Turismo 4 for this "Choose my Let's Play." It's pretty simple really.
The long and short of it: Gran Turismo 3 simply plays better. Sure, it might not be more "realistic" than 4 (though 4's realism is debated the world around) but at least on the dirt rally courses, 3 is a lot more fun than 4. Maybe I just suck at 4. I don't know. I don't suck at 3 though. 4 was already a very understeery game, and this is true even on the dirt and snow tracks where it's critical that you achieve oversteer to slide elegantly through the bends. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I'm garbage at these games, but every now and then I just wanna take a couple laps. GT3 is perfect for this. i feel like GT3 polished what the first two did, while GT4 nowadays just feels like the first step towards GT:S (in a manner of speaking). In other words, GT4 marked the first step for the rest of the series, while GT3 got the old stuff oh so right. Kinda like Zelda A Link to the Past vs Ocarina of Time
I'll give you this one; 4 was indeed a fair bit more difficult because of the change in physics, and the game only wanted you to go EXACTLY a certain way, otherwise it was game over. I will say, it improved with 5 and 6 for sure.
CrazyIvan1337 Yeah, for an addicted to arcade racing games like me, GT4 is super noob punishing because of those physics. Especially on the license tests
GT3 is like driving with ESP on
GT4 is like driving with ESP off
I remember when I bought my GT4 it felt really hard to stay on the track, and its stressing to do a clean lap.
awnimar The tracks were also completely redone. The width was made more realistic. The tracks in GT3 were wider than they should have been.
ASM does not kick in in dirt courses in GT4
@@AGameplayer54 no, not at all. It’s not the actual width but the camera perspective that has changed. You’re higher and further away from the focal point whereas in GT you are lower and more or less at ground level right at the bottom tip of the from bumper. In GT4 it seems like the camera is looking from the vantage point of the car’s engine instead.
GT4 is way more simulated in terms of physics compared to GT3, GT3 feels like a Sim-Cade
Gran Turismo 4 is still very unrealistic.
Nathan Ruart all these old games are arcade games dude hate to break it to you gt3 feels more natural
GT3 and 4 is pretty much a simcade.
@Dick Head Actually, you are right there. The 'simulation' tires do change the feel of the cars driving, but they don't really change it enough.
@Dick Head Tires behave differently in response to lateral vs linear forces. So I suppose that was just an oversight from the developers.
I believe you prefer the more "arcade" like racers where its more simple in how you have to drive, but GT4 is more "sim-cade", and demands you to control the car with throttle input and the amount of braking you apply, personally I suck at the rally races on both games, but prefer GT4, for the amount of cars and the used car dealership.
@pl m does gt3 not have used cars???? I'm trying to decide between 3 and 4 I just got my ps2 and I am retro gaming titles I never played.
I loved gt2 for the used car dealerships.
@pl m What's a good sim style racer for PS2?
Gran Turismo 4 had major issues with physics. One being that driving a car with hardest race tires is just impossible to drive straight, with tire-conservative settings.
Come on, is not that hard :v
@@goodbyeguys5739 I know I'm 3 years late, but have you tried a Le Mans racer with tyre-conservative settings and Racing Hard tyres? It literally wont go straight at 200+km/h, from what I remember.
@@cfg_form2122 Realistically you'd be holding the wheel straight on the le mans main straight. It's only really annoying to deal with when playing gt4 because on a controller you just have to keep flicking slightly against the way you're veering to stay straight and trying to straighten a car up in these games with a controller is like trying to steer with your armpit
I think the physics and grade of tires in both games are different, that seems to be the variable
The chase car viewpoint has become severely detoriated since GT3. In GT Sport there is at least a setting to adjust the loosness/stiffness of the chasecam.
Why do I think GT4 is easier than 3? Oh wait, it was my first PS2 game that I learned so well, GT3 is a bit more unusual.
GT3 is life. Childhood game.
Hearing the sound effects when you choose anything and the music that plays when you finish a race just sent me back to when my dad and I would play this. Miata vs Corvette every single time. (I was a sucker for the Miata for some reason.) Thanks for bringing back such great memories, man. From the bottom of my heart, thank you.
GT3 will always remain my favorite of all of the Gran Turismo games because it was fun, not because it is a realistic simulation. I wish modern Gran Turismo games would give you the option to use arcade physics (GT3 like) or simulation physics.
That's why Forza exists
Totally agreed with this video, I always prefered Gran Turismo 3 over Gran Turismo 4.
I think 4 is more fun overall. More fun to drive and I like the overall game design better. I think many of the tracks and the lighting looks better in 3 though.
But GT4 has a Delorean, so I consider all your arguments invalid. XD
Gonna go back in time and convince your parents not to hook up because of this comment. 😉
Gran turismo 4 is definitely the better game. There is just so much stuff to do and so much cars to collect. Gt3 had roughly i think the same as gt 1 which was in the 100s. Gt 4 has 700 cars so yeah.
I agree Plus starting from the beginning career mode was easier in gt4 because you more options to start out with cars than gt3 in gt3 your limited to get a decent car in the career unless you do the tests to get all golds which is hard
One thing that I noticed, is that the rally mode is a lot different. But since rally is also a lesser part of Gran Turismo, a better way to compare would be to take the 787B with no traction control on Tokyo 246. I would love to talk to you about this more.
I like how this man says "GT 4 alleged realism." Gran Turismo 4 is not realism. Cars don't handle like that. Cars in real life don't handle so hard.
Uh when ur barrelling throw dirt roads at high speeds the cars will handle even harder in real life moron
i feel the same about the shift games
He was just making a comparison between those both. 4 by all means is more ‘realistic’. Doesn’t mean it is, but compared to 3, yes, is it is
I see where I have been called a moron and persons disagreeing.
1. Do some of you guys even drove a car before. I can drive and ride bike, in real life.
2. That person calling me a moron, have you ever driven a car on dirt road before? Have you ever done rally racing? To be telling me how a car on dirt road behaves in real life.
People I hope you all dont get trick that a game is more realiatic because it is harder to maneuver corners.
@@dmaster20ify we know it isn't realistic, he jus made a comparaison between games
It still doesen't excuse the guy who called you a moron.
I think it's the loose nut behind the wheel
Thanks for going into great detail about the handling, this is really helpful and saves me some time in my gaming journey. Cheers and subbed.
Seeing the final side-by-side comparison makes it clear for me, I want to have that high-octane thrill going fast... that's the point for me to play a racing game.
This was always my thought with 4 when it originally came out. The rally courses were my favorite and I loved I could play them with little difficulty. Then once 4 hit, I couldn’t keep the damn car in a straight line and felt like I had to drive super slow just to keep from spinning out. Not fun at all. It’s why I always play 3. For me, it’s the superior GT, smaller car list notwithstanding.
>plays a game which says "the real driving simulator" right below the title
>proceeds to complain that said game is too realistic and thus less fun
I think the real problem sits in front of the tv.
is there a version of the game that doesnt have the drive for me built in bot feature i find myself using that sintead of actually driving as well as i prefer that ui that your using vs the one im using right now is that ui only in rally?
The first Tree games, the prologue games and the concept games doesen't have the fonction for a bot to drive for yourself
I have a question, Does using the Logitech's Driving Force Pro that features 900 degree steering adds a huge difference on driving physics on Gran Turismo 4? I don't have the steering wheel, but I am planning to buy one if this answer worth it!
I don't think it'll change the physics, but it will make your steering inputs more accurate if you get good with it. Swapping to a wheel can be hard to get used to though.
bbc6rgf 57 ytty5 y xy w5gt nah, I played simulation racing games with steering wheels before, but I never noticed any difference in the past, this time, I will try to pay more attention to the steering responsive.
Erick Ariel Quiroz Alvarez What games did you try?
bbc6rgf 57 ytty5 y xy w5gt
Need for Speed Underground
Initial D Special Stage (Japan)
Gran Turismo 3 A-spec
But I used 200 degree steering wheel called: Logitech Driving Force, not GT Force
I think you'd need to try a wheel with Assetto Corsa, Project Cars or the newer F1 and the Dirt games to see a big difference.
Using 900 degrees would probably be a bit too much for racing games, but at least you have the option to go to any degrees of rotation you want.
So basicly gt4 is too hard for you
Yea, u right tho
GT4 *is* more difficult, requiring much greater attention to course nuances, driving skills, and tuning than GT3. It takes patience, practice, and a desire to learn where you can improve to be successful. The way I went about it was pursuing all golds for the license tests for the completion percentage. A few of them took hours and dozens of repetitions, with ghost car replay being critical for comparison.
The past tense of brake is braked.
"Like it's on rails". Because it is.
The "dirt" driving of the GT3 has almost no difference over driving on asphalt.
GT4 Is better, it's harder, but you gotta take more time to learn it. The handling is more realistic for sure and it felt more simulated. Where as 3 was more arcade like and had less cars and tracks.
The suggested gear indicator is the suggested gear for the upcoming corner, not for what gear you should be in at that moment. Its always right.
For me, the only reason why I refused to play GT3 is because of lack content. Lack of so many cars just like GT2 (no Shelby GT350, Dodge Charger, Plymouth Cuda, vice versa), no used car dealerships, the License Test are kinda short, and the races in the Simulation mode are repetitive, it would take more than 4 hours to finish using a Formula GT car.
The red number is not a gear indicator. It is actually indicating the sharpness of the turn. the lower the number the sharper the angle of the turn. You can take to turn in any gear you want
It's the gear...
If you are in said gear and slow enough, it doesen't show up
I just watched a 2017 video on a guy saying he likes GT3 over GT4 because its eazier to drive in rally mode
but you gotta admit gt4 has the better music
Dylan Dominic Yeah, no. Both are timeless though.
If I may speak on this, in GT3 the axis of the car turns you more than the wheels themselves. Your input isn't turning the car. In GT4 they erred more on the side of the wheels turning you than the axis of the car. It's clear cut that the physics are overall different. That's why you feel the difference.
If you're emulating this, using the wrong contoller will get you nowhere. If you're using a ps2 controller you're going to need the usb converter and itll work decently well. if you're using a ps3 controller over usb, you're probably using an xbox controller type driver. there are deadzones and the pressure sensitive buttons on x and square dont work. if you're using an xbox controller, you NEED to reconfigure the triggers to be gas and brake because they have a linear activation, meaning the softer you pull them, the less gas and brake youre using. seeing your gas indicator and brake indicator you're just either fulll throttle and full brake.
Depending on what setup your using you need to set your controller to be able to take advantage of the pressure sensitive buttons to feather throttle and the brake. xbox controllers do not have pressure sensitive a y b x buttons. ps2 and ps3 does. so to fix this you need to either get a dongled bluetooth thing for ps3 or, change your triggers to be gas and brake on the xbox controller.
+TheEVGAftw running on a PS2 slim with a DS2. Maybe i just need to track down a wheel.
this dude just sucks ass. has nothing to do with the controller. regardless he will put full throttle or slam on the brakes like the scrub he is
TheEVGAftw How about triggers as gas and brake on PlayStation controller?
metalgamer28 who are you talking about him or the CZcamsr 😂
GT3 was like bowling with bumpers. GT4 is like bowling without bumpers.
Usually in GT3 with most of the cars you can go a gear higher than the gear selector wants you to be at in a turn.
And with the few it’s sometimes a gear lower if they’re terrible with understeer
Another thing Gt3 is better than 4 is the license tests.
Because of the lack of the rally license, each one has 16 long, boring tests. It's the worst part of the game (imo) and you have to do it since the beginning of the game if you wanna race.
My conclusion? Gran Turismo 4 might be good and i'm just too addicted to arcade racing games, where you can just get your car and start racing right away.
Licenses are trash
It's not just the physics in GT4 that bother me;
The licence tests are super boring due to the amount that's there, the whole game, while techically impressive, looks lifeless by comparison, and even though there are over 700 cars in the game, too many of them are either the same car with a different year/type of engine/suspension/body kit/whatever that doesn't feel any different from one or another, or a very boring japanese everyday car like the Life Step Van or Midget that just wreaks favouritism from japan.
Honestly, if it weren't for the online shutdown that got rid of many features in GT5, I would consider GT4 the low point of the series despite my huge nostalgia for it.
Yep. GT3 uses 200 cars excellently while GT4 uses 1000 cars terribly.
I used to use the understeer to throw me into the gutter of the other corners.
GT3 is too easy. If you think GT3 is better, you just suck.
Joking about that last part, but I'm serious about GT3 being too easy. I like GT4 better for the reasons you dislike it: The game doesn't want you to go faster? You give that game a middle finger and go faster anyway! That's the very definition of gaming: You need to defy the game if you want to beat it.
CozmicVideos I passed the game in 3 months
CozmicVideos in the beggining in gt3 is hard
I couldn't put it better myself
I had gt3 in my childhood so I prefer it better
“Okay I get it, it’s a dirt track” is how I felt trying this game just now, think I’ll delete and grab GT3
it goes wide because you're approaching a near right-angle turn -- on gravel -- at 50mph
I like GT3 more for the superior chase cam, but I love the crazy amount of content GT4 has.
honestly It seems like your physics knowledge doesnt go further than intertia thats why you dont understand some of the mistakes you've done on the more realistic GT4, the way you control weight with throttle and break really is simplistic
The first three GT games were basically drifting games, there was elegance to the driving once you mastered it but it was not an intuitive or realistic representation of traction.
Everything had highly exaggerated oversteer (even the 4wd cars like Skyline, which made zero sense) and the game wanted you to take advantage of this and drift instead of cornering conservatively and relying on downforce and grip as you would in real life circuit racing.
Personally, I hated the handling in GT3 and the way the game forced you to drive that way in licenses which were by far the most frustrating of any GT installment.
GT4 rally stages feel almost as unplayable as Richard Burns Rally -- using a dualshock.
Both these games need wheel/pedal setups. That's why GT4 feels weird using a pad, and RBR is impossible.
both of these games are my favorite racing games of all time, and I have a hard time deciding which game is better because each of them are good in there own ways gt3 has better music and menu designs, while 4 has better content, but music and menu design are 2nd best.
also if you think gt4 controls are hard have you seen 1,2, 5, and 6 controls there a lot worse in fact I have no problem with 4s controls mainly because I do auto, in gts 1, 2 ,5 ,6 I spend out quite often and its very annoying, gt3 and 4 are the easiest controlling to me.
I still haven't completed GT3 yet, I have about 80% of it done so far but definitely prefer it to 4, maybe I'm weird but I like the menu more in 3 aswel...
More colorfull
GT3 was the last great game in the franchise after the series lost its head up it's ass
they're paired games. YOU NEED BOTH.
Dinally someone with the same opinion as me. That gt4 is a trainwreck.
I think it comes down to which handling model feels more comfortable. But for me with all the extra content in gt4 I think it is the better game.
Also I got 3 after 4 so that is also a factor
Okay now talk about how GT2 is better then both :P
This^
Yeah the handling from GT4 is kinda off peak, people still say it’s a sim cade racer, but what is soo sim cade about it? Also at what point did people ever had the right to play this game, spin out of control or do whatever else the game does for no reason, and decided to say that it’s a sim cade never explaining or giving any sense of thought on why it is..just doing this? I’m not hating the game I’m saying why?
Woudi have chosen gran turismo 3 if I knew how too unlock tracks
yes
I prefer gt4
Not to mention the freaking almost impossible license tests in gt4......
What do you mean? I went all the way to the iB license!
Well i actually completed all the license tests but it fucking HARD. The game should makes the license test optional......
It wouldn't be as good if it was optional. I think it helps you in a way because not only are the license tests hard, some of the race events and championships are hard as fuck. You can max out your car all you want it won't go the way you want it to go. GT World Championship is more stressful than some of the driving missions.
The license test in Gran Turismo on the PS1 with the Nissan Skyline and the 40 second time limit was the hardest license test I've ever taken
Gt4 tests are the easiest. Now try gt2 tests
I prefer GT3 as well, wish you could re-win cars though.
You can't?
you can on tournaments and endurance races.
3 is more arcade than 4.
Are we sure they went more sim in 4? 3 received the biggest backlash for being sim, and had a *huge* budget and backing. My impression is that 3 is better because it *is* more sim, the finest wine. Sim means math, logic, (reasons!) and not a lazy dice roll. I have yet to play a game like 3. I looked this vid up because I was curious to see if any of the later games are as good as 3. I'm sorry, I hate Forza.
3 is a bit more forgiving so in that sense it's less realistic, but 4's take on realism feels too fake at times. All in all 3 had a great balance of arcade and sim that aged better than GT4's take on realism.
@@Maru96 I recently learned that my Gran Turismo tutorials didn't carry over to other games. I was obeying the path lines (they weren't adaptive back then). So I have been playing games wrong since LOL. But I still think random vectors have no place in sound simulation. Dirt 4 is like beating a large gorilla off of your morning toast, Gran 3 was a challenge on a gradient. I recently got to play 4 again and liked it, but the art was strangely stale (in game).
No problem in this game its you being bad at GT
well excuuuuse gt4 for requiring slightly more skill and attention from you.
buy a g27 e plug on your ps2
G27 does not work with GT, driving force works for both tho
g27 does work. You have to calibrate it in the options menu. For me I don't think a wheel is good for GT3. Probably because I've played with a controller over the years. It is 10x better on GT4 though.
Heel Race Driver huh ok
I’m going to do this so don’t understeer into a fucking tree. 😂😂😂
Tbh the GT games have never had realistic physics. Great games but not sims. I'd say TOCA 3 feels much more realistic. *for ps2
Excuse me ? U compare 2 gt games at non tarmac maps go play a rally game m8
So in short, you don’t like realism. GT4 became more realistic than gt3. What a pointless video.
"I suck at gt4 so gt3 is better"
The better beyond GT3 and GT4 is : Forza Motorsports 1 ..
Gt4 was made for steering wheels. GT3 is more controller friendly.
gt3 plays great on wheel imo, only problem is max 180° of wheel rotation in the original logitech wheel, but if you increase it to like 330° on emulator it plays nicely.
GT3 > GT4
And there you have it at 6:20: "Far more enjoyable as far as racing goes-it's like nothing you can imagine doing". Two years ago I became OBSESSED with GT3 A Spec on my PS2, started from scratch with an old white Miata and worked my way eventually through the entire Beginner and most of Amateur Leagues and have acquired a playfully obscene amount of custom and stock road, race and rally cars that ALL perform differently...but of equal enjoyment. I bought GT4 to try as an upgrade and it's difficult and not as enjoyable, despite it looking more realistic and utterly beautiful ha. Go figure. Now excuse me I'm gonna go play Enduro on the Atari 2600 haha @turbgrafxretrogaming IG :)
GT3 it`s more arcade than simulation
Lololol gutter grip!! Is that a thing!!??
1.Gt5
2.Gt6
3.Gt3
4.Gt4
5.Gt2
6.Gt1
7.Gtsport (im Never try this game)
Bena Bull
GT Sport as LAST? It’s easily better than GT6 and GT5 because it doesn’t have “pReMiUm” Cars and also it’s more fun. GT5 in FIRST?
GT2 is Fifth? GT2 is like the 3rd best game behind 3 and 4
@@m0m02k Personal rank men
you are accelerating all the time, that's why the car goes out, but yea i guess your an arcade racer...
Eat shit
* sucks at gt4 because is used to gt3 *
" *GRaN tUrISmO 4 fUCKinG SuCCs* "
Pretty much tho
Change the fucking oil in your car man!
lol men i can feel the lack of patience, i have no doubts, you never finished 100% endurances races in gt3
Your right man I’m currently done 4 endurance races it takes a lot of hours and patience to do those races I’m finna do the rest day by day one at a time
gran turismo 4 looks very modern you like un modern stuff
There were a couple of things early on that I thought was a bit weird. Firstly, why did they get rid of the external car view, you could see the full glory of the cars you were playing with GT3? Secondly, what was that horrible shimmering effect when you bump into things? It was just so cheap and ugly looking. Lastly, the game seems so huge and unapproachable, I couldn't get into it at all
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pffff... man go play need for speed then...