Dawahman contradicted Himself. With the two hands argument he pointed out it to be physical. But when he was asked about it he negated the physical thing
@@agtarnoeranie3807 asking about ALLAH's attributes like for example His 'Hands' asking how it is itself an innovation as Imām Malik said..Sahābah didn't ask about it & went into rhetorical speech like the mu'tazilas & Jahmis & Ashaa'ras, they just believed & affirmed it what they heard from the Messenger.
Authentic Atharis: We affirm the Attribute of Yadd and we leave the meaning to Allah. Whatever Allah means by Yadd we submit to it. We also know Allah is unlike His creation and is not a body nor does He have limbs. So, it can’t mean literal hands. Salafi: we affirm the word yadd and do ta’wil by affirming it means literal hands. The Salafis fell into tajseem by affirming interpreting Yadd to mean literal hands.
@Borsalino Kizaru the fact that we’re having this conversation right now shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. You shouldn’t be on CZcams comments speaking about matters you don’t know. Quote: Muhammad Ibn Saalih Al-‘Uthaimeen Source: Sharh Lum’atul-‘Itiqaad (pg. 20-27) with checking and notes from Ashraf Ibn ‘Abd-il-Maqsood [Dar Al-Istiqamah Printing]
@Borsalino Kizaru Quote: Before entering into the core of this book, I would first like to introduce some important principles related to Allaah’s Names and Attributes. [1] The First Principle: What is obligatory from the texts of the Qur’aan and Sunnah regarding Allaah’s Names and Attributes With regard to the texts of the Qur’aan and the Sunnah, it is obligatory (concerning Allaah’s Names and Attributes) to leave their proofs and implications upon their LITERAL meanings, without changing them. This is because Allaah revealed the Qur’aan in a plain Arabic language and the Prophet (Sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa Sallam) used to speak with the Arabic language. Therefore, it is obligatory to leave the implications of the words of Allaah and the words of the Messenger of Allaah (Sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa Sallam) as they are, in that language. Also, changing it from its LITERAL meaning is speaking about Allaah without knowledge and this is forbidden, due to the statement of Allaah: “Say: ‘The things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are the great evil sins, whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allaah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge.'” [Surat-ul-A’araaf (7): 33] An example of this principle is found in the statement of Allaah: “Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched.” [Surat-ul-Maa’idah (5): 64] Indeed, what is literally apparent from this ayah is that Allaah has two actual hands. Thus, affirming that is obligatory, due to this principle. So if someone were to say that the meaning of His hands is “power”, then we must say to him that this is changing the word from its literal meaning. And saying this is not permissible, for it is speaking about Allaah without knowledge.” End quote
How does a number necessity something physical? You can say "I have two plans" You know have two options; 1: You have two physical schematics of the plans, then yes it is physical. 2: You have two plans/ideas in your head, is that now physical? So no, a number does not necessity physiciality, as you can have a number of something non-physical like an idea, plan or mood.
Life, sight and knowledge are non physical qualities and not physical objects. When we say Allah lives, it doesn’t mean that he breathes, when we say Allah has knowledge it doesn’t mean that he has brains, when we say Allah sees, it doesn’t mean he sees with eyes. So even the attributes of life, sight and knowledge are not attributes we interpret literally for Allah. Hands and eyes are by their very definition physical objects if you take the literal or apparent meaning. Or you say that hands and eyes are not physical, but that means you’re going into ta’wil/ interpretation by default. The safest way is to cosign the meaning of these attributes to Allah.
@UCXSY4OXqCj0HS7icfH0nmGw I don’t know what it means. But since you’re so sure of the meaning, please tell me what the exact meaning of hands is. I’m all ears.
@@ismailkamran4370 but what is the definition of the hands of Allah? If you don’t want to do tafwid, be my guest. But in that case I want a clear definition of the hands of Allah, and not actual tafwid al ma’na without admitting it’s tafwid al ma’na.
Both groups consign the meaning to Allah, with only semantics in-between to cloud their judgement of one another. Both are strong believers that speculation is not a valid inference and that its only the Quran and Sunnah which can comment on such matters. "Literal" (as used by 'salafis'. Not how its commonly used ) only means the general idea or connotations of the attribute x being affirmed. Thus, you'll never get an explicit definition from anyone. The modality and mechanism of the words are being consigned to Allah, but a general idea is still understood. If you didn't admit this, you would have to say that verses like "and Allah sees whatever you do. (49:18)" are just as meaningful to us humans as "Ahs&6^%jsh-+@&", when this is clearly not the case. We understand the general meaning here, yet we consign the thorough and rigid meanings of Allah's sight to Allah alone. With the verses that mention hand, you can argue the same case. In this sense, both groups are much closer than you may think. Allah knows best.
you must be ignorant bro, there are many hanabila scholar like qadi abu ya’la and imam assaffarini making tafweed ul ma’na. I myself is an athari but I dont fall into tasjeem believe Allah has a literal hand astagfirullah. Imam Shafi’i RH said everymujassima is a blasphemer. Imam Ahmad RH said Allah is not what you can imagine of by your comprehension of your little mind.
Thats the thing with asharis they themselves come to thought of Allah attributes to be physical when you mention hand face etc you tell them no its how he described himself and not liken any creation and still theu argue " but that means its physical"
@@curlyg3189 czcams.com/video/H6wo_mRPFM0/video.html your answer is here proof that Allaah does not have bidey parts and body parts are not mention in quraan people take things out of context
Allah attributes..mean he is the source...so Al Hay...he is the source of life... Al Salam...He is the source of Peace On the issue of hands....Attributes are below the glory of Allah most high. The hands of justice...would not mean justice has hands...
This is nothing more than asking too many questions and loving to share your opinion whether at the bottom level with followers or at the top with people of knowledge. Today the world is full of leaders, just take a look at every CV and see for yourself! There are no followers. As a Muslim you are a follower of Muhammad pbuh.
Hand is defined as something physical whether thats a body part or pointers on a clock to say Allah has a hand thats not like any other hand is to say Allah has something physical thats not like any other physical thing but the mere fact that its physical means that it is like any other thing. If you argue Allah has an unphysical hand then that is a contradiction because hand is definined as physical. Allah exists outside the physical realm and the reality is unknown so we cannot fathom him so he uses words like hand, foot, face etc as means to simplify to his creation who's intellect is limited.
Let's get this straight. Understanding the basic Aqida is easy. One cannot attribute a sound to Allah because the sound has a beginning and changes and ends. Therefore Kalam doesn't mean sound because the attributes of Allah do not change. Change implies being created. As simple as that. Furthermore it is enough to say a wahhabi is wrong. Without producing lots of proofs though ahlussunnah has many proofs against wahhabi
Change the title akh this umarel guy is not an Athari from the apparent he's denying the yadd of Allaah idk what happens next but from this clip he denies the yadd of Allah
@@Stop_israHELL It is a manhaj, not a job or a company. Najdi refers to anyone who is from najd. He is a Sunni Muslim who is Athari in aqeedah. That means he takes the sifaat of Allah as revealed and he does not apply his own meaning and/or logic to the attributes of Allah. I see layfolk like you call people "wahhab" and "najdi" like you did something when you don't even understand what is being discussed. It makes you look even more ignorant.
Dawahman exposed. He states: 'we can't affirm or deny that Allahs Hands are physical' This opens the doors to tajsim and tashbih and is clearly unbefitting of Allah
@@hadialabrash1845 how is 'physical' an innovated term? 😂 How can one not deny that Allah is physical. Why do salafis then cry about being called mujassim?
@@JohnDoe-zw1vx Stop laughing you look absolutely foolish but you know not. It's an innovated term when talking about Allah, you smart boy. Did Allah say that He is physical? No. Did He say that He is not physical? No. So, our principle, as Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah, is to ask our opponent, what do you mean by this innovated term? What do you mean by 'physical'? Know that Ahlus Sunnah reject the meanings of most of these phrases. Meaning, that we reject that Allah or His Attributes can be divided or that He is made of separable parts.
@@hadialabrash1845 did Allah say his Hands do or don't have hair? Did He say His Hands don't have fingernails? Did He say His Hands don't have a specific colour? Of course you don't accept this for Allah. Do you see the problems here? And I can laugh all i want because you look absolutely foolish 🤣
Amazing how wahhabiyya want to attribute physical attributes to Allah. The Sifa of Allah are not physical attributes because body and body parts are not attributes of Allah. Because Allah is not a body because body has a limitation. Having a physical body and physical attributes is negated by the verse LAYSA KAMITHLIHI SHAY' which means Allah doesn't resemble the creation in any way WHATSOEVER. This ayah shuts down those who want to give a shape or give the possibility to their I'll creed believing that the Creator is a body different from other bodies with bodily attributes like 2 hands different from other hands
@Borsalino Kizaru just because we will see Allah doesn't meaning we will see him in physical form Allah knows best how we will see him but the prophet (peace be upon him) said he will see him with our own eyes but we don't know about how Allah is.
@Borsalino Kizaru salafi people don't own Islam this is the view of all sunni muslims but the salafi's still say Allah has attributes that are the same as creation that is shirk
@Borsalino Kizaru the fact that we will see Allah in the next life doesn't mean he has body parts they are two different subjects that you have mixed up
The Salafis don't understand that when they say 'literal' hand they are saying a limb. This is where the 'likeness' is established. Likeness is not necessarily to do with size, shape, colour and texture etc etc.
Just from this Ashri way of thinking makes way more sense, Salfi’s have lost the plot. As far as Tawhid goes they are good, but in some respects they’re lacking biiiiiiiigggggg time. May Allah forgive us. It’s border line shirk, ascribing actual hands, because then it’s like saying he has a affirmative physical quality similar to his creation.
Salafi's are brain washed they're not true athari's. Ahmed Ibn Hanball Rahimmullah says whoever says Allah has a body part thats not like any other body part blashphmes. Dawah man literally said he has a hand thats not like any other hand.
Dawahman is a dumb wahhabi. But we ask Allah to guide him to the creed of ahlussunnah, the creed of the Prophets and to leave the creed of the body worshippers whom are similar to the idol worshippers and Yahud and nasara!
Nope you are incorrect. Athari is a new term. The true “atharis” and asharis are the same thing. Imam Ashari and Imam Maturidi were the champions of aqeeda. Salafis and brainwashed atharis follow the students of/and imam tahawiyya. True athari and ashari are true same thing if you know TRUE AQEEDA HISTORY.
@@ItzFaiz true atharis aren't the same as ash'aris, interesting on how your aqidah school is named after a man who wasn't even from the tab'een, not to mention the fact that ash'aris were declared as kuffar by maturidis historically
Wahabis just has no akhlaq, talking over Atsari. Wahabis not able to understand attributes of Allah SWT while made tajsim & tashbih on Allah SWT e.g. talked & hear with sound, see with eyes.
just a slight correction habeebi, i think it may be a typo but the brother isn't an Athari but an Ash'ari... Salafi and Athari are synonomous
Yhhhh I was just wondering that as well. U did say salafi and athari both have same belief
clicked on it thinking what the heck? Ashari not athari. Jazakumullahu Khaira
Salafi and Athari are not synonymous.
Dawahman contradicted Himself. With the two hands argument he pointed out it to be physical. But when he was asked about it he negated the physical thing
@@agtarnoeranie3807 asking about ALLAH's attributes like for example His 'Hands' asking how it is itself an innovation as Imām Malik said..Sahābah didn't ask about it & went into rhetorical speech like the mu'tazilas & Jahmis & Ashaa'ras, they just believed & affirmed it what they heard from the Messenger.
Can you upload more of this discussion?
Where can I find the full video?
Authentic Atharis: We affirm the Attribute of Yadd and we leave the meaning to Allah. Whatever Allah means by Yadd we submit to it.
We also know Allah is unlike His creation and is not a body nor does He have limbs. So, it can’t mean literal hands.
Salafi: we affirm the word yadd and do ta’wil by affirming it means literal hands.
The Salafis fell into tajseem by affirming interpreting Yadd to mean literal hands.
Exactly al hamdulillah for the Ashaari and Maturidi creeds, al hamdulillah for the Aqeeda At Tahawiyaah!
@@mobrown7751 maturidis used to make takfir on ash'aris
@Borsalino Kizaru actually, your “ulema” reference and state “literal hands” .
@Borsalino Kizaru the fact that we’re having this conversation right now shows you don’t know what you’re talking about. You shouldn’t be on CZcams comments speaking about matters you don’t know.
Quote:
Muhammad Ibn Saalih Al-‘Uthaimeen
Source: Sharh Lum’atul-‘Itiqaad (pg. 20-27) with checking and notes from Ashraf Ibn ‘Abd-il-Maqsood [Dar Al-Istiqamah Printing]
@Borsalino Kizaru
Quote:
Before entering into the core of this book, I would first like to introduce some important principles related to Allaah’s Names and Attributes. [1]
The First Principle: What is obligatory from the texts of the Qur’aan and Sunnah regarding Allaah’s Names and Attributes
With regard to the texts of the Qur’aan and the Sunnah, it is obligatory (concerning Allaah’s Names and Attributes) to leave their proofs and implications upon their LITERAL meanings, without changing them. This is because Allaah revealed the Qur’aan in a plain Arabic language and the Prophet (Sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa Sallam) used to speak with the Arabic language. Therefore, it is obligatory to leave the implications of the words of Allaah and the words of the Messenger of Allaah (Sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa Sallam) as they are, in that language. Also, changing it from its LITERAL meaning is speaking about Allaah without knowledge and this is forbidden, due to the statement of Allaah:
“Say: ‘The things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are the great evil sins, whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allaah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allaah of which you have no knowledge.'” [Surat-ul-A’araaf (7): 33]
An example of this principle is found in the statement of Allaah: “Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched.” [Surat-ul-Maa’idah (5): 64]
Indeed, what is literally apparent from this ayah is that Allaah has two actual hands. Thus, affirming that is obligatory, due to this principle. So if someone were to say that the meaning of His hands is “power”, then we must say to him that this is changing the word from its literal meaning. And saying this is not permissible, for it is speaking about Allaah without knowledge.”
End quote
Brother please change the title of this video. Athari and Ashari two completely different things
Umar elhashmi is not Athari. He is an Ash'ari.
How does a number necessity something physical? You can say "I have two plans" You know have two options; 1: You have two physical schematics of the plans, then yes it is physical. 2: You have two plans/ideas in your head, is that now physical?
So no, a number does not necessity physiciality, as you can have a number of something non-physical like an idea, plan or mood.
Full video please
Life, sight and knowledge are non physical qualities and not physical objects. When we say Allah lives, it doesn’t mean that he breathes, when we say Allah has knowledge it doesn’t mean that he has brains, when we say Allah sees, it doesn’t mean he sees with eyes. So even the attributes of life, sight and knowledge are not attributes we interpret literally for Allah.
Hands and eyes are by their very definition physical objects if you take the literal or apparent meaning. Or you say that hands and eyes are not physical, but that means you’re going into ta’wil/ interpretation by default.
The safest way is to cosign the meaning of these attributes to Allah.
@UCXSY4OXqCj0HS7icfH0nmGw I don’t know what it means. But since you’re so sure of the meaning, please tell me what the exact meaning of hands is. I’m all ears.
@@maturidiwesley4107 Allah is not like the creation, His hands are something that is beyond our limited imagination
@@ismailkamran4370 but what is the definition of the hands of Allah? If you don’t want to do tafwid, be my guest. But in that case I want a clear definition of the hands of Allah, and not actual tafwid al ma’na without admitting it’s tafwid al ma’na.
Not physical, metaphysical!
Both groups consign the meaning to Allah, with only semantics in-between to cloud their judgement of one another. Both are strong believers that speculation is not a valid inference and that its only the Quran and Sunnah which can comment on such matters. "Literal" (as used by 'salafis'. Not how its commonly used ) only means the general idea or connotations of the attribute x being affirmed. Thus, you'll never get an explicit definition from anyone. The modality and mechanism of the words are being consigned to Allah, but a general idea is still understood.
If you didn't admit this, you would have to say that verses like "and Allah sees whatever you do. (49:18)" are just as meaningful to us humans as "Ahs&6^%jsh-+@&", when this is clearly not the case. We understand the general meaning here, yet we consign the thorough and rigid meanings of Allah's sight to Allah alone. With the verses that mention hand, you can argue the same case. In this sense, both groups are much closer than you may think. Allah knows best.
Lol dawah man felt so stupid when he couldn't answer the brother question and then he couldn't even find a question to ask him
Does Allah have a Dzat, and is Dzat physical?
Atharis don’t make tafwidh of the meaning like the brother who was labeled as Athari has done, this is an Ash’ari principle not from the Hanabila
you must be ignorant bro, there are many hanabila scholar like qadi abu ya’la and imam assaffarini making tafweed ul ma’na. I myself is an athari but I dont fall into tasjeem believe Allah has a literal hand astagfirullah.
Imam Shafi’i RH said
everymujassima is a blasphemer.
Imam Ahmad RH said
Allah is not what you can imagine of by your comprehension of your little mind.
whats imam shafi'is opinion on ilm al mantiq 😭😭😭😭@@ShafiAshari
Thats the thing with asharis they themselves come to thought of Allah attributes to be physical when you mention hand face etc you tell them no its how he described himself and not liken any creation and still theu argue " but that means its physical"
That's not what ashari think ashari people only leave the meaning it to Allaah because the meaning is not know to us
@@gujjarchowdery But Allah HIMSELF said about HIMSELF that he has hands and a face. How are you denying his own words about himself?
@@curlyg3189 you say things put of context like a salafi wahabi najidi
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@@curlyg3189 czcams.com/video/H6wo_mRPFM0/video.html your answer is here proof that Allaah does not have bidey parts and body parts are not mention in quraan people take things out of context
WRONG TITLE !!
IT SHOULD BE ASH'ARI
ATHARĪS ARE FOLLOWERS OF NARRATIONS, TRUE PPL OF AHLUS SUNNAH WAL JAMĀ'AH
SALAFFIYAH vs ASH'ARI!
Allah attributes..mean he is the source...so Al Hay...he is the source of life...
Al Salam...He is the source of Peace
On the issue of hands....Attributes are below the glory of Allah most high. The hands of justice...would not mean justice has hands...
Umar El Hashimi is so based as Mufawwidh athari
This is nothing more than asking too many questions and loving to share your opinion whether at the bottom level with followers or at the top with people of knowledge. Today the world is full of leaders, just take a look at every CV and see for yourself! There are no followers. As a Muslim you are a follower of Muhammad pbuh.
Ash'ari, not athari
He’s mufawwidh athari lol
Mannnnn hhhhh, these najdi anthropomorphists
Hand is defined as something physical whether thats a body part or pointers on a clock to say Allah has a hand thats not like any other hand is to say Allah has something physical thats not like any other physical thing but the mere fact that its physical means that it is like any other thing. If you argue Allah has an unphysical hand then that is a contradiction because hand is definined as physical. Allah exists outside the physical realm and the reality is unknown so we cannot fathom him so he uses words like hand, foot, face etc as means to simplify to his creation who's intellect is limited.
Let's get this straight. Understanding the basic Aqida is easy. One cannot attribute a sound to Allah because the sound has a beginning and changes and ends. Therefore Kalam doesn't mean sound because the attributes of Allah do not change. Change implies being created. As simple as that. Furthermore it is enough to say a wahhabi is wrong. Without producing lots of proofs though ahlussunnah has many proofs against wahhabi
Change the title akh this umarel guy is not an Athari from the apparent he's denying the yadd of Allaah idk what happens next but from this clip he denies the yadd of Allah
Imran is the one on the top and his not denying the yadd of Allah and he is a selafi
@@saa1190 I was talking about the brother below that's why I said his name mate
@@zemphz did he claim to be athari? Loool
@@saa1190 Every Salafi is Athari but not every Athari is Salafi. If Imran says that he is Salafi, then he is automatically Athari too.
@@saa1190 I didn't say he did mate, told the uploader to change the title
Isn’t atharis same belief as salafi
He is ashari.
No atharis are not the same as salafi at all
@@Nox-02 all salafis are athari but not all atharis are salafi
@@CosmoCreed who brother?
@@multivitamin435 the one in corner below Dawahman
Umar Elhashmi is ASHARI NOT ATHARI. Dawahman is Athari.
😂 ‘dawah’man is a saudi najdi
@@Stop_israHELL No, he is from Pakistan. lol You failed basic geography I see.
@@holdshiftt2run308 i dont mean place of birth mister einstein. I mean the institution/organisation he works for
@@Stop_israHELL
It is a manhaj, not a job or a company. Najdi refers to anyone who is from najd. He is a Sunni Muslim who is Athari in aqeedah. That means he takes the sifaat of Allah as revealed and he does not apply his own meaning and/or logic to the attributes of Allah. I see layfolk like you call people "wahhab" and "najdi" like you did something when you don't even understand what is being discussed. It makes you look even more ignorant.
Dawah man is an expert in deflecting when cornered
Dawahman exposed. He states:
'we can't affirm or deny that Allahs Hands are physical'
This opens the doors to tajsim and tashbih and is clearly unbefitting of Allah
No it doesn't. We deny that Allah is like anything but stay silent on these innovated terms.
Yea cuz there’s no text for that
@@hadialabrash1845 how is 'physical' an innovated term? 😂
How can one not deny that Allah is physical. Why do salafis then cry about being called mujassim?
@@JohnDoe-zw1vx Stop laughing you look absolutely foolish but you know not.
It's an innovated term when talking about Allah, you smart boy. Did Allah say that He is physical? No. Did He say that He is not physical? No.
So, our principle, as Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama'ah, is to ask our opponent, what do you mean by this innovated term? What do you mean by 'physical'?
Know that Ahlus Sunnah reject the meanings of most of these phrases. Meaning, that we reject that Allah or His Attributes can be divided or that He is made of separable parts.
@@hadialabrash1845 did Allah say his Hands do or don't have hair? Did He say His Hands don't have fingernails? Did He say His Hands don't have a specific colour?
Of course you don't accept this for Allah. Do you see the problems here? And I can laugh all i want because you look absolutely foolish 🤣
Amazing how wahhabiyya want to attribute physical attributes to Allah. The Sifa of Allah are not physical attributes because body and body parts are not attributes of Allah. Because Allah is not a body because body has a limitation. Having a physical body and physical attributes is negated by the verse LAYSA KAMITHLIHI SHAY' which means Allah doesn't resemble the creation in any way WHATSOEVER. This ayah shuts down those who want to give a shape or give the possibility to their I'll creed believing that the Creator is a body different from other bodies with bodily attributes like 2 hands different from other hands
4:52 dawah man said Allah can be physical. shirk
@Borsalino Kizaru so your saying Allah has a body?
dawah man said that
@Borsalino Kizaru just because we will see Allah doesn't meaning we will see him in physical form Allah knows best how we will see him but the prophet (peace be upon him) said he will see him with our own eyes but we don't know about how Allah is.
@Borsalino Kizaru salafi people don't own Islam this is the view of all sunni muslims but the salafi's still say Allah has attributes that are the same as creation that is shirk
@Borsalino Kizaru the fact that we will see Allah in the next life doesn't mean he has body parts they are two different subjects that you have mixed up
The Salafis don't understand that when they say 'literal' hand they are saying a limb. This is where the 'likeness' is established. Likeness is not necessarily to do with size, shape, colour and texture etc etc.
Exactly al hamdulillah for Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah, al hamdulillah for the Ashaari and Maturidi creed al hamdulillah for the Aqeeda at tahawiyaah ❤️☝🏽
@@mobrown7751 we can only truly understand the Salaf through the Khalaf!
Just from this Ashri way of thinking makes way more sense, Salfi’s have lost the plot. As far as Tawhid goes they are good, but in some respects they’re lacking biiiiiiiigggggg time. May Allah forgive us.
It’s border line shirk, ascribing actual hands, because then it’s like saying he has a affirmative physical quality similar to his creation.
Salafi's are brain washed they're not true athari's. Ahmed Ibn Hanball Rahimmullah says whoever says Allah has a body part thats not like any other body part blashphmes. Dawah man literally said he has a hand thats not like any other hand.
Dawahman got exposed here
Dawahman is a dumb wahhabi. But we ask Allah to guide him to the creed of ahlussunnah, the creed of the Prophets and to leave the creed of the body worshippers whom are similar to the idol worshippers and Yahud and nasara!
How
A Salafi and Athari are the same thing😶
They aren’t
Nope you are incorrect. Athari is a new term. The true “atharis” and asharis are the same thing. Imam Ashari and Imam Maturidi were the champions of aqeeda. Salafis and brainwashed atharis follow the students of/and imam tahawiyya. True athari and ashari are true same thing if you know TRUE AQEEDA HISTORY.
Saying Allah has literal hands is kufr.
@@ItzFaiz so the Quran is Kufr?
@@ItzFaiz true atharis aren't the same as ash'aris, interesting on how your aqidah school is named after a man who wasn't even from the tab'een, not to mention the fact that ash'aris were declared as kuffar by maturidis historically
Wahabis just has no akhlaq, talking over Atsari. Wahabis not able to understand attributes of Allah SWT while made tajsim & tashbih on Allah SWT e.g. talked & hear with sound, see with eyes.
this is not an athari this is an ashari atharis are on the manhaj of the salaf asharis are on the manhaj of plato