The Ashaari answered all the questions and used reasoning and logic but you salafis wobblers can’t understand simple rational theology from the looks of it. Al hamdulillah for the creeds of the Ashaaira and Maturidi Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah aqeeda at Tahawiyaah!
@@mobrown7751 What was Prophet, Sahabas, tabeyin, tabe tabeyin's, 4 Imams' belief before Ashari, maturdi came? That's what Salafi doctrine, salafi Aqeeda and that's the right, true Aqeeda. CASE CLOSED.
This whole discussion is a BID’AAAA AKEEEE. I remember how I was once a fool in college getting into these discussions. Alhamdulillah Allah guided me and now I am upon the true teachings of Ahlussunnah wal Jama’, which is Tasawwuf.
Very easy to defeat the wahabi. Allah revealed that He is not like the creation in any way whatsoever. Ash shurah 11. The wahhabi and mutashabiha missed this ayah which summaries the aqeedah about Allah.
Read the rest of the ayah. "There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing." We hear and we see and so does Allah hear and see, but that doesn't mean he is like his creation. Same for his speech, his hands or his attribute of istawa. We affirm all his attributes, recognize that they are not comparable to his creation in any way and do not inquire further
@@Husayn0318 We do not liken Allah to creation and say, "Allah's speech is like our speech", but we say that Allah's speech is heard, and our speech is heard, but the nature of the speech themselves are not the same.
Allah speaks with sound letters and he is All Known and he can speak any language he wants he is Almighty All Wise The kalam of Allaah is not limited to the Arabic language; all other languages are part of His speech. Imam ad-Darimi (RAH) said: "Verily, Allaah is knowledgeable of all languages, and He speaks in whichever language He wishes. If He wishes, He speaks in Arabic, and if He wishes, in Hebrew, and if He wishes, in Syriac, so He has made the Our'an His kalam in Arabic, and the Torah and Injeel His kalam in Hebrew, since He has sent the prophets with the language of their peoples." [ad-Darimi]
You idiot this does not mean Allah makes sounds or speak nauzubi’Llah you are committing kufr anthropomorphism by believing that because those things are created and ALLAH IS NOTHING LIKE HIS CREATION, what is you wobblers and salafis don’t understand by that?
These salafis don’t have sound reasoning nor have they studied rational theology and it’s very easy to see, this Dawah man is just ranting on without answering the questions.
Anyone with half a mind can see that project is waffling and makes no sense “Allah speaks but he doesnt speak” “We can hear His speech without sound” this is the problem with ahlul kalam
For a hadith to be used In aqeedah it has to be either mutawaatir and according some others like the Hanafis it must have 3 strong routes of narration, so the existence of a Hadith is not enough to be used for aqeedah or establishing an attribute of Allah
Ijtihad in Allah's Names and Attributes is not allowed and mistaken Mujtahid is guilty Imam Uthman ibn Said Darimi رحمه الله (d. 280h) said: "What you mentioned about ijtihad regarding how are attributes of Allah. For verily ijtihad is not allowed in many obligations and rules which we see with our eyes and hear with our ears so what about Allah's Attributes which can not be seen with eyes and opinions are restricted about them." وأما ما ذكرت من اجتهاد الرأي في تكييف صفات الرب، فإنا لا نجيز اجتهاد الرأي في كثير من الفرائض والأحكام، التي نراها بأعيننا، وتسمع في آذاننا. فكيف في صفات الله التي لم ترها العيون، وقصرت عنها الظنون؟ [النقض على المريسي ص54]
Both their points can make sense but u can’t call someone a kafir for taking what Allah says literal, what is this ? and Allah knows best may Allah guide us all
Dawah man is actually giving ayahs, that muatazili is calling him a kafir for interpreting it litteral while at the same time he’s interpreting it in his own way but with no basis
And at the end of the video he literally says “We believe that the fact Musa heard the speech of Allah is a miracle” looks like Buddy is just talking to talk I don’t even understand why the hell they would try and make a whole sect for such an irrelevant issue they are deviant
That’s incorrect Dawah man was saying that sound is an attribute of Allah but sound has a beginning and end and so does the Quran that was revealed to Prophet Muhammad
Ashahris can be easily refuted truth overcomes falsehood every time creation sees and Allah sees but they’re different and final nail in the coffin ‘Adi ibn Hatim reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “There are none among you but that his Lord will speak to him in the Hereafter without a translator between them, nor a veil to separate them.” Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 7005, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1016 Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim عَنْ عَدِيِّ بْنِ حَاتِمٍ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ مَا مِنْكُمْ مِنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيُكَلِّمُهُ رَبُّهُ لَيْسَ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَهُ تُرْجُمَانٌ وَلَا حِجَابٌ يَحْجُبُهُ 7005 صحيح البخاري كتاب التوحيد باب قول الله تعالى وجوه يومئذ ناضرة إلى ربها ناظرة 1016 صحيح مسلم كتاب الزكاة باب الحث على الصدقة ولو بشق تمرة أو كلمة طيبة وأنها حجاب من النار
@@Randomhandlename Asharis believe Allah will speak to us on the last day but without sound. They believe we can still hear the speech of Allah even though it is not a sound .
Abdullah bn 'Abdur-Rahmaan Aba Butayn said: “Know that the majority of people of the cities today are ash'ariyyah. And their madhhab in the Sifat of Al-Rabb subhanahu wa tha'aalaa is in agreement with some if which the Mu'tazili Jahmiyyah are upon. They affirm some of the Sifaat and does not affirm some (other) sifat. They affirm living, knowledge, power, Iraadah, hearing, seeing, and speech. And they negate other than these Sifaat by false interpretation. This is while, though they affirm the attribute of speech in agreement with Ahlu Sunnah, they in reality are negators of it, because speech according to them is the meaning only. And they say : the letters of the Qur'an is a creation, Allah does not speak by letters nor by a sound. And the Jahmiyyah say to them: This is in fact the exact saying of us: The speech of Allah is a creation, because what's intended is the letters and not the meaning. And the Madhhab of the Salaf all together without an exception is that the speech of Allah is not a creation, and that Allah speaks by the Qur'an, its letters and its meaning. And that Allah subhanahu wa tha'aalaa speaks with a sound which is heard by whomever He wills. And the Ash'ariyyah does not affirm Al-Rabb being above His heavens, and His Istawa upon His Throne ('Arsh), and they label those who affirm the attribute of 'Uluww (Allah being above) and Istawa upon the 'Arsh as Mujassima and mushabiha. And this is in contradiction to what the Ahlu Sunnah Wal jama'ah are upon, for they affirm the attribute of 'Uluww and Istawa just as Allah subhanahu wa tha'aalaa has informed that about Himself, and described like that by His Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم without Takyeef (describing how), without Ta'teel (negating the sifat), and Many from the Salaf has explicitly made clear the Kufr of the one who does not affirm al-'Uluww and al-Istawa. And the Ashaa'irah agreed with the Jahmiyyah in negating this attribute; but the Jahmiyyah say: He subhanu wa tha'aalaa is in every place, and they're named al-Hulooliyyah. And the Ash'ariyyah say, He was and there is no Place, He is upon what He was before he created al-Makaan (place).” - [الرسائل والمسائل النجدية ٢/١٧٦-١٧٧]
Alhamdulilah for Salafiyyah/Athariyyah the aqeedah of the prophet Muhammed sallahu alahyi as-salaalm and the pious predecessors.
Where did the prophet claim salafiyah, stop your b.s
The Ashaari answered all the questions and used reasoning and logic but you salafis wobblers can’t understand simple rational theology from the looks of it. Al hamdulillah for the creeds of the Ashaaira and Maturidi Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jammah aqeeda at Tahawiyaah!
Salafism only arises in the 19th century bro lmao 💀
@@mobrown7751 yet the maturidiyyah made takfir on the neo jahmiyyah ( ash'aris )
@@mobrown7751
What was Prophet, Sahabas, tabeyin, tabe tabeyin's, 4 Imams' belief before Ashari, maturdi came?
That's what Salafi doctrine, salafi Aqeeda and that's the right, true Aqeeda.
CASE CLOSED.
Props to Imran for ending the fruitless discussion.
What sound could make mountains turn to dust?
This whole discussion is a BID’AAAA AKEEEE.
I remember how I was once a fool in college getting into these discussions.
Alhamdulillah Allah guided me and now I am upon the true teachings of Ahlussunnah wal Jama’, which is Tasawwuf.
Lmao
bruh
Alhumdulilah for the Sunni/sufis!
He isnt sunni.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Alhamdulliah for innovators and masjid dancers ??????
The Wahhabi creed is not on the minhaj(Islam Iman and Ihsan) of the Salaf
Very easy to defeat the wahabi. Allah revealed that He is not like the creation in any way whatsoever. Ash shurah 11. The wahhabi and mutashabiha missed this ayah which summaries the aqeedah about Allah.
Read the rest of the ayah. "There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing." We hear and we see and so does Allah hear and see, but that doesn't mean he is like his creation. Same for his speech, his hands or his attribute of istawa. We affirm all his attributes, recognize that they are not comparable to his creation in any way and do not inquire further
@@abdulqassimunujur509 Soooo...We speak with a sound. Does Allah speak with a sound as well?
@@Husayn0318 Yes, his speech can be heard
@@abdulqassimunujur509 So you're saying his sound his physical? If that's the case then what's the difference between the creator and the creation.
@@Husayn0318 We do not liken Allah to creation and say, "Allah's speech is like our speech", but we say that Allah's speech is heard, and our speech is heard, but the nature of the speech themselves are not the same.
14:36 what’s his stance?
Peace zorro, war zorro
Allah speaks with sound letters and he is All Known and he can speak any language he wants he is Almighty All Wise
The kalam of Allaah is not limited to the Arabic language; all other languages are part of His speech. Imam ad-Darimi (RAH) said:
"Verily, Allaah is knowledgeable of all languages, and He speaks in whichever language He wishes. If He wishes, He speaks in Arabic, and if He wishes, in Hebrew, and if He wishes, in Syriac, so He has made the Our'an His kalam in Arabic, and the Torah and Injeel His kalam in Hebrew, since He has sent the prophets with the language of their peoples." [ad-Darimi]
The Injeel wasn't even in Hebrew. Not a great start was it?
@@j2shoes288 Aramaic ryt ?
You idiot this does not mean Allah makes sounds or speak nauzubi’Llah you are committing kufr anthropomorphism by believing that because those things are created and ALLAH IS NOTHING LIKE HIS CREATION, what is you wobblers and salafis don’t understand by that?
Allah SWT will never be same as human. Kalam Allah SWT is not the same as human kalam.
Nothing is like Allah SWT so please stop it!!!!!
Is confusion the intention?
Anyone with a mind can see dawaman isn’t responding to him he is using strawman argument and refuting those arguments that aren’t being made
These salafis don’t have sound reasoning nor have they studied rational theology and it’s very easy to see, this Dawah man is just ranting on without answering the questions.
Anyone with half a mind can see that project is waffling and makes no sense “Allah speaks but he doesnt speak” “We can hear His speech without sound” this is the problem with ahlul kalam
@@K.w897 the Kalam of Allah is unlike the kalam of the creation
@@amir324 that's what atharis say
@@Abdullah.996 dawah man is saying the kalam of Allah is sound and speech, which is like the creation.
If there is a sifat of voice , and there is narration from Prophet pbuh saying Allah spoke with voice it is on our necks , we have to accept
Does it say somewhere sound is a sifat of Allāh?
@@Kalam18595 not that I know of
@@omarrthaHanafi I don’t know of too, it makes more sense to say sound is not a sifat of Allāh since sound is a creation
@@Kalam18595 I agree bro, if there is a hadeeth stating so, we accept
For a hadith to be used In aqeedah it has to be either mutawaatir and according some others like the Hanafis it must have 3 strong routes of narration, so the existence of a Hadith is not enough to be used for aqeedah or establishing an attribute of Allah
Ijtihad in Allah's Names and Attributes is not allowed and mistaken Mujtahid is guilty
Imam Uthman ibn Said Darimi رحمه الله (d. 280h) said:
"What you mentioned about ijtihad regarding how are attributes of Allah. For verily ijtihad is not allowed in many obligations and rules which we see with our eyes and hear with our ears so what about Allah's Attributes which can not be seen with eyes and opinions are restricted about them."
وأما ما ذكرت من اجتهاد الرأي في تكييف صفات الرب، فإنا لا نجيز اجتهاد الرأي في كثير من الفرائض والأحكام، التي نراها بأعيننا، وتسمع في آذاننا.
فكيف في صفات الله التي لم ترها العيون، وقصرت عنها الظنون؟
[النقض على المريسي ص54]
Ahlul Sunnah wal Jammah/Salafiyah is the saved group Alhamdulilah.
Both their points can make sense but u can’t call someone a kafir for taking what Allah says literal, what is this ? and Allah knows best may Allah guide us all
Dawah man is actually giving ayahs, that muatazili is calling him a kafir for interpreting it litteral while at the same time he’s interpreting it in his own way but with no basis
And at the end of the video he literally says “We believe that the fact Musa heard the speech of Allah is a miracle” looks like Buddy is just talking to talk I don’t even understand why the hell they would try and make a whole sect for such an irrelevant issue they are deviant
dawah man had way more proofs , this ashari aqeeda is nonsensical
That’s incorrect Dawah man was saying that sound is an attribute of Allah but sound has a beginning and end and so does the Quran that was revealed to Prophet Muhammad
Dawah man claims that Allah’s speech has sound, sound is a creation of Allah
Ashahris can be easily refuted truth overcomes falsehood every time creation sees and Allah sees but they’re different and final nail in the coffin
‘Adi ibn Hatim reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “There are none among you but that his Lord will speak to him in the Hereafter without a translator between them, nor a veil to separate them.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 7005, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1016
Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi (authenticity agreed upon) according to Al-Bukhari and Muslim
عَنْ عَدِيِّ بْنِ حَاتِمٍ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ مَا مِنْكُمْ مِنْ أَحَدٍ إِلَّا سَيُكَلِّمُهُ رَبُّهُ لَيْسَ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَهُ تُرْجُمَانٌ وَلَا حِجَابٌ يَحْجُبُهُ
7005 صحيح البخاري كتاب التوحيد باب قول الله تعالى وجوه يومئذ ناضرة إلى ربها ناظرة
1016 صحيح مسلم كتاب الزكاة باب الحث على الصدقة ولو بشق تمرة أو كلمة طيبة وأنها حجاب من النار
@@Randomhandlename Asharis believe Allah will speak to us on the last day but without sound. They believe we can still hear the speech of Allah even though it is not a sound .
@@Randomhandlename brother this hadith does not disprove the belief of the asha^irah.
Abdullah bn 'Abdur-Rahmaan Aba Butayn said:
“Know that the majority of people of the cities today are ash'ariyyah. And their madhhab in the Sifat of Al-Rabb subhanahu wa tha'aalaa is in agreement with some if which the Mu'tazili Jahmiyyah are upon.
They affirm some of the Sifaat and does not affirm some (other) sifat. They affirm living, knowledge, power, Iraadah, hearing, seeing, and speech. And they negate other than these Sifaat by false interpretation.
This is while, though they affirm the attribute of speech in agreement with Ahlu Sunnah, they in reality are negators of it, because speech according to them is the meaning only. And they say : the letters of the Qur'an is a creation, Allah does not speak by letters nor by a sound.
And the Jahmiyyah say to them: This is in fact the exact saying of us: The speech of Allah is a creation, because what's intended is the letters and not the meaning.
And the Madhhab of the Salaf all together without an exception is that the speech of Allah is not a creation, and that Allah speaks by the Qur'an, its letters and its meaning. And that Allah subhanahu wa tha'aalaa speaks with a sound which is heard by whomever He wills.
And the Ash'ariyyah does not affirm Al-Rabb being above His heavens, and His Istawa upon His Throne ('Arsh), and they label those who affirm the attribute of 'Uluww (Allah being above) and Istawa upon the 'Arsh as Mujassima and mushabiha.
And this is in contradiction to what the Ahlu Sunnah Wal jama'ah are upon, for they affirm the attribute of 'Uluww and Istawa just as Allah subhanahu wa tha'aalaa has informed that about Himself, and described like that by His Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم without Takyeef (describing how), without Ta'teel (negating the sifat), and Many from the Salaf has explicitly made clear the Kufr of the one who does not affirm al-'Uluww and al-Istawa.
And the Ashaa'irah agreed with the Jahmiyyah in negating this attribute; but the Jahmiyyah say: He subhanu wa tha'aalaa is in every place, and they're named al-Hulooliyyah.
And the Ash'ariyyah say, He was and there is no Place, He is upon what He was before he created al-Makaan (place).”
- [الرسائل والمسائل النجدية ٢/١٧٦-١٧٧]
What an arrogant man is this guy