100 Treadwear Tire Shootout & Review - Which is BEST?
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- We track test three 100 treadwear semi slick track tires, the Nankang AR-1, the Maxxis RC-1, and the Toyo R888R on our supercharged Scion FR-S at Toronto Motorsports Park. Use the link below to go to a detailed story with all the data summarized.
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So many of you are commenting on the different widths of tires. Please READ our story on the site to see the actual widths: speed.academy/100-tread-wear-track-tire-review-nankang-ar1-maxxis-rc1-toyo-r888r/ Trying to say one tire is wider than another without actually seeing them is what we like to call keyboard racing and no one like a keyboard racer!
Just out of interest, what was the rim width?
@Colby Marcos fu** off with the scam
do you have tire contact patch width hitting the ground numbers.... wide angle lens with tires placed at angle presented a lot of width questions... thanks
Can these tires be used for drag racing??
@@r8r4life36 I would imagine. Everyone loves the toyo r888r for lateral grip. Think I'm going to try the nankang ar1. Currently have a 700hp bmw.
Sounds like you have a guy with a trombone is the backseat.
Haha, we have since changed out the complete engine-back exhaust and it sounds much better.
lol
Racecar with no interior. Thats what you get
Sounds like you need to refill the oil on your muffler bearings.
LOL !
Oh god I forgot about those. My piston springs are gonna be fried...
While ure at it refill the indicator fluid
Keep pumping out the videos boys. Love it!
Loving these tire comparison tests! I was just doing some reading on those Nankangs the other day and wondering when I'd see a reputable test on them. Thanks guys!
We incorrectly published a 200 treadwear video today, our mistake -Sorry! This 100 treadwear video is what we wanted to publish, so enjoy us driving the wheels off the FR-S.
Would you guys include the Hankook R-S4 in your 200tw video?
When will the 200 tw be out?
Ah so thats why I wasnt able to thumbs up that vid. Interesting, thought something was wrong with youtube lol
Where would one pick up some Nankang tires here in Canada?
How's the frs driving? Any issues with the supercharger?
I ran the AR-1 on my Mk7 Golf R last summer and loved them. They were, by far, the best tire I've run on track and couldn't be happier with how predictable and consistent they were. From a sweltering Canada Day at TMP to a perfect August lapping day at Mosport DDT, these tires performed flawlessly and could have done even better with a drivermod. I do agree with how good these tires are under braking and the performance per dollar beats out all the other tires tested. Thanks for the review!
Did my first track day on the AR1's a few days ago and they're incredible. Like you say they inspire a lot of confidence
I follow Misha C. & Robert Mitchell from Germany who track cars & run a rental car company on the Ring. Cars like GT3, 675LT, 720s as well as some track focused race BMW's. They have been running Nankang on the Ring with some of their cars & have had real positive things to say about them
Love Misha's channel, watch it regularly. I believe they run their fleet on the NS2R street tire.
@@speedacademy They use both NS2R & AR-1
New Mclaren 600LT witch comes from the factory with Pirelli Trofeo R, they immediately changed tires to Nankang AR-1
@@r129r16pfl Oh cool, didn't realize they've been using the AR-1 but it does make a lot of sense on a car like that.
@@speedacademy they where actually working with Nangkang to develop and test the AR-1's at the ring. He talked a bit about it in an earlier video.
@@speedacademy Hi, I´m Christoph, CEO of PROTRACK wheels and official importer for AR-1 in Germany. I can confirm that most of their rental cars are running on AR-1, including BMW Ring-Taxi, McLaren and most of the other (not so powerful) cars. Up from 2019 we equip their fleet with PROTRACK wheels. (exept of the supercars like Ferrari, McL and Porsche) Regards from Germany, Christoph
Great review, I know I really appreciate videos like this. It would be awesome if you did more reviews like this at different tire threads.
Really enjoyed this type of content, brilliant video! Keep them coming
I love how clean that FRS stays, always comes out fresh and enthusiastic! It's a keeper, great track car for personal enjoyment! Great job Dave, way to run! Good tire comparison, I need better tires.
Really good videos guys, the R888 pushes so hard, I've yet to test the R888R but will this year!
Real informative. Thanks for the hard work guys.
great job! i'm another one who has run Nitto NT-01s for the last decade. it's good to see some new names in the game.
I realize I am a little late to the party on this video, but I really appreciate the honesty and transparency of your reviews. Thank you for this review, I am certainly eager to try these Nankang's in future, especially given the entry point to play.
Fantastic test, really relevant to the kind of conditions I drive. Thank you!
Enjoyed watching the in car drive more than learning about the tires. Some impressive control you put down!
Cool video, I would like to see more tire tests like this
Been waiting a long hour for this. Worth it.
Excellent test! I have been running the Maxxis RC-1 for about a year now. I get around 20 heat cycles on them before they become uncompetitive. They have a gradual fall off in grip starting around 10 heat cycles. I agree with your findings about their grip under threshold braking.... You need to be careful because they will flat spot easily. I have also found that using a pyrometer with them is a must, because they can start wearing very unusually if you don't stay on top of their pressure. I may have to give the AR-1s a shot and see how they work on my Miata! Thanks for all the effort, these tests are not easy and you did a great job keeping it scientific!
Thanks! Let us know how you like the Nankangs if you give them a try. We've used them a bunch more since shooting this video and they are sensitive to temperature and pressure, you definitely want to keep the hot pressures under 30psi or they start to lose grip and wear faster. But if you keep them in their sweet spot, they will last a long time from what we've seen so far.
I love your channel guys. Cheers from Halifax
Please consider doing this with 300 treadwear tires for those of us who don't have a dedicated race car! This was very informative and interesting. Perhaps the Michelin PS4s vs Continental Extreme Contact Sport vs Hankook Ventus V12 Evo2?
I second this request! Really want a good comparison of the Conti EC Sports!
ps4s is good all around but doesn't last that long, continental is slightly better in the wet and hankook v12 is not as grippy and is more popular for people who stretch tires as the sidewalls are more flexible. I have v12's and they are great for daily commutes. and they don't break the bank. Really depends on your needs, weather where you live and what you do with the car. V12's lasted me 10-15k miles of decent hard driving while my buddies PS4S lasted about 7-8k miles.
I'd like to see the Potenza S007A in the test, vs ExtremeContactSport and PS4S.
Just daily drive AR-1’s. They are dirt cheap, well at least they are in Australia and it’s never really cold here...
This is a great idea. Maybe also throw in the Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 just to keep things interesting and see if the performance gap is worth the lower price on a car that's primarily a street car.
Nankang AR-1 is killing the game @ Nordschleife, most popular R comp tire
For the money
@@turbod15 Take a look at the website that these guys posted. Nankang took the lead. I guess the Chinese do know how to make tires...
True everyone runs them on the ring
@@turbod15 Taiwanese
Loved this video.. I've used ra1/r888 and r888r... I may consider the AR1 now.. Subscribed!
I have the NS-2R's and I'm glad to hear that the AR-1's seem to be similar in grip characteristics. I had my eyeball on them for 6 months now. Much more confident that I can pull the trigger on those instead. I have 18x10's in the back and their biggest tire will stretch which I don't like, rather have a more squared tire in the back but the AR-1's have a 295/30 available.
Great review. I will try those nankangs next at my local Autocross. Currently on new r888r
Good test. Thank you.
Something to consider...
The tire may not have been the only thing contributing to faster laps. If you did progress through the tires in that order (Toyo first, Nankang last), you may have been benefiting from the previous laps of practice. The Toyo may have had better relative performance, had it been tested last.
Doing science!
This is their home track and they've both had a ton of experience driving that car so I don't think the order would have played that much of a factor in the outcome. Especially since they have the most experience running the Toyo's you would expect them to do best on them but that wasn't the case either so it shows how unbiased the results are.
Great content, can't wait till i can get my hands on a set of AR-1's
And now for the 400 treadwear drift tyre review 😂 (actually keen tho)
Those Nankangs also look much wider than the others. I know its a game that has been played in the UTQG200 autocross groups. It might be worth measuring the tire width from the point where rubber has dropped a half centimeter away from a straight edge laid across the tread, or do it off the ground. I have a feeling the Nankangs would come in a full inch wider than the others.
i had the same thought but assumed it was just camera distortion from a wide angle lens that made the Nankangs look wider.
Came here to say this as well. Like the UTQG ratings, tire manufacturers play games with the actual widths vs section width number.
I agree the Nankangs look considerably wider
The perspective. The AR-1's are way upfront of the camera and they are more "square" looking than the other two. They are probably all within a size of each other. R888R's look wider than the RC-1's.
Actually, quite the opposite. The Nankangs were the narrowest of the bunch, but the square shoulder on them may make the appear wider on video. The Maxxis were the widest of the bunch via physically measuring their stacked height, followed closely by the Toyos.
nakang all day, could tell by first turn in. great vid and detailed input based on your driving style.
Great review of these 100 treadwear tires. I was surprised the R888R's were so far away from the others. I'm still going to stick with my "200 treadwear" RE71r's
I love the RE71r's
Love the video and data here. I have run RE71R for years but would like to try AR1 as a dedicated lapping day tire.
Great test, I’ve also done a test with the AR1’s and found them the best, I now use these on a few cars and one two championships on them too ❤️👌😎👍 great vid lads!
Yeah I quite like the ar1's too. Have them on my twincharged aw11.
@@feral4mr2 nice yeah they are mega! Love them.
Since the Nankangs are on all 4 corners of The Z4Minator my laps @ The Ring are just a blast! For me it's the holy grail of track tires ... (and I've run a bunch) Cheers
I miss these track shoot out videos! 👍
OMG! TWO videos so soon!
Finally someone using a tire pyrometer when testing tires. May want to add durometer to future testing.
That blinking gauge sure is annyoing
This could be only on cam, you also see that with headlights in videos.
I agree with this review. I´ve run R888 for a few years and they always overheat and understeer quite fast. The AR-1 is better in my experience.
I own a set of nankang ns2r tw 180 and they are fantastic for the price. At first, Iwas a little bit hesitant about this brand, but it seems they know how to make things right
Beautiful episode guys. Love seeing you on track, and with good information along the way!
Stupid question: why haven't you replaced the steering wheel with a more racey one, given this is a full on racecar?
We like the feel of that stock wheel in this car
Great content! Thanks. We use the Yokohama A050’s and 048’s, be interesting to compare them to the AR1’s as I’d say they’d be half the price
Watching this video just sold me on the nankang ar1. Im currently on 245/40/17 bridgestone RE71Rs. I want to step it up to a 100TW tire for next year
I have friends who only use AR1s. They love em. I just got mine, hopefully i can test them out soon enough. Ive only heard good things about them
@OIF/OEF-0341 No on the daily. Usually people who have dual purpose cars go street tires or run separate sets of wheel/tire combo. Most of my friends run as dedicated track cars :) hope that helped.
When my track car was still street car i ran multiple tire set up. And NT01 was by far the best out of RE71R, R888r, Hankook RS3 and RS4
Let me know if i can answer any other questions as well.
A 200tw shootout would be do beneficial, please consider in the coming warm weather months 😁 great work!
This is a great data point and thank you for bringing this comparison to light. Your hand work did a lot of talking as well.
My only questions is in your experience, how do you think this data will differ in a heavier car? TIA
Thanks for that great review. Looking forward to the 200 Treadwear one as well.
Quick question regarding Nankang in the States. Was able to score a set of 265/35-18s NS-2Rs on Amazon last year. Now they're no longer available... AR-1s are not available at all, sadly, but i would like to try them next. You guys have a source for these?
For 110 bucks a tire, the NS-2Rs are really damn good value for money as a beginner like myself.
Keep it up!
I know your secrets boys, wasn't this recorded before the 2018 track day that happened in september? lol amazing video, more science!!!!!
Very interesting. I'd love to see comparison to the tires are used the most in the heavy car world (i. E. Mustang)
Nitto NT01. GY F1 3R. SPORT CUP2. YOKO A052.
THANKS AGAIN!
Good vid great information.
Great review and I like the website article. Please do more tire comparison videos ...200tw next maybe...Oh and please add wear as a metric to report. I know these tires are not meant to last forever but that info would be beneficial for endurance or budget purposes.
thanks Walter, we didn't do enough laps to assess wear but in the future we'd certainly like to be able to do that kind of testing
Finally a solid review on AR-1, Thank you!
Sweet tyre review. Looks like a fun car and track to beat on!
I've just gone to a set of Nankang ar1's on my twincharged aw11.
Looking forward to hitting the track and feeling them.
how'd they go? about to put a set on my 275awkw gtir pulsar
@@jemska I like them mate, have done pb's since having them on.
Bought another set 225 45 and and 245 40 for my other wheels as well. (15x8).
The twincharger same tyre sizes but a 15x9 on rear.
Nice. Biggest I can go due to my wheel specs is 205/40r17. Currently at 195/40 (normal street tyres) and losing traction at 90kph on tight turns(hill runs). Will be testing new grip on the weekend 😂
Car has all suspension upgraded, bushes, braces, thicker chassis rails. Only thing holding it back are tyres now. Looking forward to getting the most out of it.
@@jemska do you have to run 17's?
This was very interesting. However I’ve found each tire has it’s own optimal alignment specs and tire pressures, etc. with the times being so close I wonder if you may be able to tune some time out with each specific tire
Really good data, thank you.
Would have been good to see the Federal RSRR and Yokohama A050 in there to compare them to a really cheap and really expensive semi.
I run the AR1 and I drive like DP and throw the car in hard. They are quite popular in Australia.
Good news is they get better when they are half shagged and last forever.
I'm 50 laps in on mine and they are half tread. That's on a 180hp FWD
I owned a set of rc1's on my s2k. Phenomenal tire.
During the making of this video, did you guys use the new Maxxis RC1 R2 compound or original? Thanks
Informative video, in addition in to fastest lap - it would be great to see 5-6 laps, time discrepancies and patterns ie. which how do the tires respond to numerous laps, consistency vs outright speed, early vs late, etc
Go read the story linked in the description.
Getting Nankangs for the project car I’m getting thanks
How fast do those Nankangs heat up and or do in the cold? I wonder if they could be a cheap autocross option compared to the big boy tires.
I can't speak for the other 2 tires but another big advantage for the Maxxis RC-1 is tire life and heat tolerance. I have not found a better track day tire for the Texas heat.
Good info!
Were the wheels the same width and weight between tires? I noticed there were 2 different wheels used and the unsprung weight difference between the wheels as well as width affecting tire roll could potentially cause variation between times.
nice work.
What is going on with the one gauge that's alarming through almost the whole video?
I’d like to see a suspension comparison. Take a stock car, track for time. Swap on a set of springs track and time. Swap aftermarket struts, track and time. Do stock springs and aftermarket struts. Track and time. Swap out for coilovers. Time that. It’s be interesting to see what improvements can be had with each component
buy a forza
How is it spring time in Canada already..? It’s -5F in Michigan today.
Casey Weaver It isn’t. I assume this isn’t a new video. It’s sure not been 14 anywhere around me lately.
I'm assume they record a crap load of videos in the fall and trickle them in during the winter to keep a consistent flow going. There's guys are entertaining nonetheless
@@BenFreedmanRacing I thought he said at the beginning that it was a warm spring day? Is this a year ago?
Shot it last summer, decided to wait and publish it now when people are starting to shop for their 2019 track tires.
Haha, I was thinking the same thing. I guess its spring somewhere though!
Well done
Where all the tires run at the same pressures or just recommended pressures and where they all the same size tire?
You ever considered the Nitto Nt01? I'd be curious to see what the result would be in that car. Non the less, great work. Love seeing all your projects and test.
I was a little bummed that wasn't included too. That's what I have on my car right now...I don't drive them nearly as hard as him though. I'm watching the steering wheel and he just over commits the tire and expects it to hook up...I'm far too cautious a driver to do that LOL! Sounds like the Maxxis would better suit my driving style.
@@chrishuyler3580
Yea I run the NT01 on an RX8 up here near ottawa and they have great grip with predictable traction loss.
NT01 are basically just another R888R. Made by Toyo in the same factory with the same construction and compound, just a different tread pattern.
I've used both NT01 and AR1 and went 1.1 quicker on the Nankangs at my local track
@@hillclimbharry They are not the same. Even if a lot is similar a tread pattern alone makes a big difference both in dry and wet
Ra1
Which of these tires would you recommend for drag racing? I really thought the AR1 or maxxis would do well? And opinion would be helpful.
Thanks 🤟🏼
what is the flashing red gauge indicating? noticed u were not concerned
when is the 200 treadwear video being released?
Where do you read the treadwear ? Every time I look on websites it's never listed...
I must say i'm just more than happy with my AR-1 . I had the NS-2R ( not real semi-slicks ) on my FWD Megane RS. The NS-2R are more of a UHP street tire, but boy... those AR-1 ... I did some tests on a right hair-pin corner (very similar weather conditions, same driver, same car, same entry speed ) which has a much lateral G demand, and the difference based on the built-in car G-meter is: NS-2R : 0,5-0,7 G, and AR-1 easily, 1.0 G ... We talk about corner speed 60-70 km/h. The price of the AR-1 is 800 euro all in, here in Europe for 235/40 R18 XL .. Hope this helps for guys looking to buy a new set of semi-slicks... cheers
Have you guys ever used Nitro NT01's? And how do they stack up against those tires?
this video was fucking awesome, very helpful!
Did the rins come orange or did you guys do it
Were the tires run at their recommended hot pressures?
Interesting video..between there's a new champ out there..the ADVAN A052..the best semi slick which overall better than the P Zero Trofeo R itself!
Which one do you prefer for drags between these 3
Any chance you guys want to do a video on 100tw vs 200tw? Maybe nt01/ar1 vs a052?
How can you run a test like this with different wheels? Are all 3 weighted and balanced exactly the same? I doubt it but who knows.
Would like to see the Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 compared to similar tires. I just bought the Firestone's to mount on my new Rota slips for my SRT4 track car. I'm still building the car so haven't had the opportunity to see how they perform.
Nice video. Gawd if my car sounded like that I would have a throbbing head ache after a day at the track.
I've owned and weighed all three of those wheels in that exact 18x9.5 size on my cars. The ce28 (ar1) being the lightest at 17 lb 10 oz. The GT (rc1) being a pound heavier at 18 lbs 11 oz. And the 57xtreme (r888r) at 21 lbs 5 oz. It's interesting to see how those weights just so happen to correlate with the produced lap times. I wonder if weight of the wheel started to play a big role on how these tires performed based on your braking data?
How many track days do you get out of the R888R?
NT01 vs r888r also which of these tires would last the longest. thanks
You forgot the 100tw king, NT01s
Yeah. The Porsche guys love em!
Excited to test them on Sunday :)
I used bot NT01 and AR1 on a previous car. AR1 were 1.1sec faster on my local track, Lakeside. And 0.5 faster at our local hillclimb, Mt Cotton.
@@hillclimbharry Thanks for a longtime nt01 user, may give the AR1 a shot next time
@@hillclimbharry never used the AR1 but the thing I love about the NT01s is they're so consistent.
I run them for 15-30min sessions with no temp issues, no understeer or oversteer issues.
But they do kinda punish you for overheating them if you slide too much on them it's almost impossible to cool them back off mid session.
What so u guys do or have for oil starvation on this car? Or is this something u dont really have to worry for some reason on this car?!
serious question... why would you NOT drive with the slow in / fast out style? Smoother and faster
it depends on the car setup and the track youre driving at. so if the track is twisty has has lots of chicanes and directional changes you want a neutral handling car that allows for you to take corners more confidently and allowing for less midturn understeer. Although if there are a lot of straight aways, or higher speed corners you generally want a car that takes the slow in fast out approach for better traction and exit speed.
low hp cars benefit from a wider radius generally as the engines doesn't have the power to regain lost speed on the straightaway as quickly. High hp cars benefit from a tighter arc as this maximizes breaking into the corner and accellerating out of the corner especially when the car is so powerful it can't put it to the ground if there is steering lock on. That's why you see guys in Hondas drive with momentum, gradual turn, ease out and people in turbo-charged 4wds with more pronounced brake, hard turn & hard accel. 4wds also understeer under power often, which is another reason to take tigher lines in it. So slow in /fast out is a good starting point, but depends on car also on the layout ahead.
@@TheChannel1978 very true, and i think one of the more advanced ways of driving once youve mastered that idea and understand it, is trail baking so as to make your slow in stage meld with your braking so you're doing two things at once and eliminating constant movement.
@@TheChannel1978 Nice, an actual response that I may have learned something from! I've only ever driven slower cars, and mostly FWD. Current car is a bone stock 1992 Honda Civic VX hatchback with maybe 95 hp and quite tall gearing. Nobody ever intended for this car to be quick, but it can be quicker than most in the mountains/canyons. Definitely have to conserve momentum, but thankfully it handles well enough to carry a lot of it through the curves. Even when I did track days on my motorcycle, I still took the slow in/fast out approach and did quite well. Was much more stable to be on the throttle the whole time, accelerating through the whole turn. I did brake super late though compared to most other people, maybe because I learned to ride on some gnarly mountain roads.
@@Dogzero33 yes, aka driving to the 'friction circle'. There is heaps of literature on the subject, 'Going faster' is a good one, it's written by a race instructor for the Skip Barber Racing school if I remember right.
Interesting to try the nt01 as well. Also are the nankangs a wider tire?
no they were narrower
Thoughts on the NT01's compared to these?
Same compound as the Toyo (or very similar, same parent company) but different tread pattern, tread depth and carcass design. We wouldn’t expect to see a big difference between the two, but some have found the NT01 to be faster. The strength of the R888R and NT01 are their longevity and predictability and forgiveness of abusive driving, plus they works great in the rain.
Were all the tires new? Also did you refit the R888’s and do another session at the end to see if the temp diff and driver confidence affected lap times on that tire?
Yes and yes. No improvement in R888R times at the end of the day.
How is the AR1 compare to A052? Which one is better? I know it is difference treadwear rating tires.
Might add a Durometer to your testing. Might take a reading of new tires, hot & cold.
Mhmm when the 200 tw happens i'd like to see how my Kumho V720s stackup against the others. I've found them quite good and crazy good in the wet. Which i though was weird for a semi slick
Do you feel that time of day and/or the order of testing (i.e. increased driver confidence after running more laps), could potentially have been factors which contributed to your results?
Owen Bradbury Aranda Dave has thousands of laps in that car at that track. Just about the best possible person to be doing the test.
How would u compare these with the falkens rt660