Is the Gospel of Jesus' Wife a Forgery?
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- Gospel of Jesus' Wife. Authentic or Forged?
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Hey, have you done "the gospel of mary" yet? you know the one that "The DaVinci code" mentioned? I know it's fiction, but would be nice to see an explanation on it.
well in my country, religion is a tool for political agenda, and that issue already out of control.
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Some one commented that Christian denominations number over 30,000. Where did they get that number, and is it anywhere close to the truth?
@@stephendickinson7071 it's from an ambitious protestant medical missionary that wrote the "World Christian Encyclopedia".
What I really like about your channel, is that I honestly can't tell where you stand on any of this. Are you Jewish, Christian, Atheist, Agnostic? Who cares? I appreciate that you focus on the historical & contextual placement of these ancient writings. It's refreshing and engaging, thank you!
It is nice that academic perspectives override any personal convictions that might direct truth for a political or religious purpose. I guess that's why they call them objective.
Yes cause it’s just a book . Culturally important but it’s not magic words of god
He worships the Old Gods
@@newaccount3743 Word Gods?
Bless all
*Jesus hanging with his buddies tries to be funny, turns to his disciples and in a Borat voice says* My wife... *nobody laughs*
Maybe the full text shows Jesus was practicing his one-liners. "And then Jesus said, 'Take my wife ... please!'"
*Jesus impersonates Borat*
Disciples: *don't laugh*
Jesus: don't worry, it'll be funny in about 2000 years.
Hilaro!!
It's not jesus' fault no one else had seen the movie yet. A lot of his jokes didnt land well because they referenced pop culture from the future. He would forget not everyone else was omniscient.
Waa waa we wa
In June of 2016, the woman who introduced the papyrus to the world, Karen King, after having defended it for several years finally admitted its probably a forgery.
Yeah, I read the article from the investigative journalist that blew the case open. I made this video a year ago though. Maybe I should do a follow up.
I think a follow up would be good, especially following the Atlantic article. But you could go into the public profile of this, and look at what James McGrath has done on this, saying that "Although the Gospel of Jesus' Wife is a forgery, its content is anything but spectacular or unique. Scholars of early Christianity needs to educate the public on "shocking" authentic Christian texts in order to combat the sensationalism (and high market demand) for forgeries"
Daniel N. Gullotta Good point. I have been meaning to do a follow up but have been lazy. And you're right...there are so many more "scandalous" authentic texts that no one talks about.
ReligionForBreakfast Oh talk about those.
Poor women...can you imagine...7 years attacking her...she is trying to save her reputation...so sad how things work..conspiracy is t opposite..goes against t agenda of to many...7 years she resisted...very brave...
The things which I really appreciate of this channel, is that it is based on actual scholarship
actual perhaps but honest that tuff gem to find
Hi, Jesus has died on the cross so that we (perhaps everyone) may be forgiven for our sins (perhaps more). Please accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through him.🙏🙂
@@asdallah2159 God bless!
Sensationalism is easy to sell, and since Christianity is the largest religion in the world, it is easy to sell it. A lot of people consider The Davinci Code as historically accurate, which reveals the historical illiteracy on many.
KevZen2000 technically Islam is the largest religion but meh
According to Pew Research, there are 2.4 billion Christians and 1.8 billion Islam, so technically you are incorrect, revealing your own illiteracy.
@@fearlesscrusader The number you claim depends on the Christian sect, if you take out the Catholics as its own religion (which you should, its dishonest not to), Christian's are actually the 5th largest cult. It's funny how Christian's love to come together for the numbers but constantly tell each other that they aren't true Christian's.
@@aathanraan8819 Islam literally does the same thing? So does buddhism, animism and almost alI religions have a sect or different schools of philosphy.
Most readers understood that it was fiction, which the foreword actually says.
is this a jesus fanfic?
The new testament is the second fan fiction written. The Koran (Quran) is the third. Mormonism is the fourth.
John itself is a copy. Lol.
@@marcelszpak1460 Not according to the near-universal consensus of even secular scholars
@@marcelszpak1460 And the fact is, Jesus' existence is as certain as any person in the ancient world's existence could be. Whether he was divine, a prophet or whatever else is a matter of faith, but that there was a Jewish preacher in Judea and Galilee during the reign of Tiberius who was executed by crucifixion under the governate of Pontius Pilate (and that a number of people believed they saw alive afterwards) is near certain
There's more evidence for the historical existence of Jesus than there is for Hannibal of Carthage, yet nobody disputes that Hannibal existed
@@marcelszpak1460 My point is, if one is going to claim a historical Jesus never existed, then by the same degree of skepticism, one has to call into question the existence of almost every historical figure who wasnt a ruler that commissioned surviving monuments and mint coinage of their likeness and reign.
The evidence of Jesus' existence (again, his existence, not necessarily his divinity) is as solid and conclusive as one can get for a non-ruler figure from that period of history.
Your joy in knowledge is contagious and splendid to behold. Glad I found your channel.
Woah, a 1st or 3rd century Shipping fanfic
Humans never change lol
Actually, nothing new. Those times were full of it
^^^^
The word used for wife in Semitic, languages of that time is "sister".
It takes a very good knowledge of the context to interpret the Gospels.
Wow just like in Tasmania today!
@William Burns even though it's a fabrication, it's still nice to know what the text is actually saying.
Coptic isn’t a Semitic language, but is in the same language family. Additionally, the word used in the forgery specifically means, “woman” or “wife.” Sister would be ⲧ.ⲥⲱⲛⲉ, as opposed to ⲧⲁ.ⲥϩⲓⲙⲉ (lit. My wife) in the text.
@@thescopio4113 ok
That must be what Alabama people write in
I wonder if anyone ever thought that my wife was in reference to the canon scriptures referring to the marriage of Jesus the bridegroom and the church the bride.
Exactly! Just as the heavenly Father often refers to Israel as His wife. Merry Christmas!
That's exactly what i thought once i saw this i thought he was referring to his bride the church
I just thought of that. The Book of Revelation would've been completed by then, wouldn't it?
Nice one 🙏🏻
All that junk was from Paul's mental illness.
Absolutely beyond a doubt my new favorite channel.
so... in retrospect
the synoptic gospels could have been ancient forgeries too because they have lines that are identical word for word
I am finding your channel very educational. Thankyou so much for your passion and hard work
While I was listening to your sharing;
I thought about this scripture:
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
A prime example of male chauvinist thinking, which was true of his apostles, but not the Master himself... the latter part drummed up by the Vatican no doubt, as a rationale for celibacy. "Savior of the body"... what does that even mean? He is our individual savior when we follow his teachings, yes.
The real Jesus treated women as equals, he was free from all bigotry. When all power was granted him following his ascension, he shared it equally with his creator mate, the Universe Mother Spirit.
Amen 🙏.
@@ericjohnson6665 Jesus is the WOmaN = ma won... as HE lost HIS KINgDOm to the WOmaN
@@nettejohnson7492 Which pronouns did our savior favor?
@@ericjohnson6665 if you’re so upset about “male chauvinism” then why don’t you emasculate yourself?…sorry,disregard,you already have
The Gospel of Philip doesn't say that Jesus kissed Mary on the mouth. There's a break in the text.
Absolutely correct which to me makes it suspicious that one word on where she kissed him is not there and leaves it open to interpretation
No matter where he kissed her, it was highly inappropriate especially in those days unless she was very close to him.
Right , it said he kissed her often on her ........
Philip also quotes or references all four canonical gospels therefore proving that they are all written earlier. Since I’ve arched this I’ve done some serious reading on the subject and it seems it was written third century
@@bgrowsmars3918 cooch?
Excellent. Eloquent commentary, interesting subject matter, and intellectual integrity...subscribed.
Great video! Really!Awesome researching and documenting , overall presentation!👌🏻 THANK YOU!
Thank you so much for this summary! This is super helpful for me as a divinity student studying this.
Thanks for all the research you do!
I subbed after the 1st vid on DDS. Excellent! (Well Done, to you) it's refreshing to listen to you. Tfs
And Borat said onto them “MY WIFE”
It did not say Jesus kissed Mary on the mouth. Where the word 'mouth' would have been was a hole in the parchment, leaving us only to assume it said mouth.
I agree, On the other hand. The whole thing is fraudulent, but your comment does provide an opportunity.
The most obvious response is never assume anything. for example; it could have said 'cheek' or more likely'kissed in greeting' since that is still a common practice of Semitic people (Arab & Jew; Muslim, Jew or Christian) to this day. (it took this American guy a long time to get used to it!)
South mouth?
Where else could he have kissed her
@@adityamohan1773 the face, like this is mentioned elsewhere, even in the new testament.
@@adityamohan1773 on the belly button or given the peculiarities of Indo-European grammar; on the steps, on the Sabbath etc. We just don't know. Anyway the Coptic scriptures are probably revisionist gnostic heresies. The Gospel according to John in The New Testament makes it quite clear who Jesus was offing & it weren't no chickywick. 🙈🙉🙊🖕
Thank u for caring and sharing the Truth brother. Blessings, love n peace b with u.
As an Orthodox Jew, I gotta tell you that "line breaks appearing in the same place as another document" is not improbable, especially when talking about sacred texts. Although all Torah scrolls have been handwritten for thousands of years, they all have their line breaks in exactly the same place. I'm not weighing in on whether that suggests these papyri are or are not a forgery, just saying that is not probative.
The point is that the line breaks accompany the holes in the papyrus.
Supposedly, the whole gospel is the size of a postage stamp... it suspiciously look like the remnant of a destroyed manuscript that escaped the fire 🔥 on some quick wind... Jews don’t destroy manuscripts even when they consider them heresies... so we can thank Jews for the Books of Enoch and other classics if they were the original creators of the site... Enoch may be in the garbage room but he’s definitely not in the garbage pile at Qumran and other sites... so thank you for never burning book, for reading and studying them, and putting them somewhere safe even though your people did not think much of the writer...
If Qumran was still an active Jewish think tank, I know I could walk in & say “Can I please look at Enoch?” & they would either fetch it for me or take me to storage... Christians, however, could not give you a peek at the Apocryphon until archaeology rediscover it... so thank you, the Orthodox & the Reform... you be so coool 😎!!!
This idiot just belive in Jesus😅🤣
Jesus was a radical Jew who fought against romans. Some idiot make him son of the God after his death. He was Jew all along.
So christianity is a fake religion that romans make.
I have just recently discovered your channel and am slowly working through it in reverse order. You are doing a fantastic job, enjoying it immensely. Your walk through on the analysis process was enlightening but I was wondering if they were able to test the ink for composition or age. It would be interesting to know and very telling I would think.
@dwellyn - Also, where the inked letters come up to the edge of the papyrus, do they wrap around the edge or are they torn off cleanly, with no ink wrapping the edge? Is that a "tell" or am I barking up the wrong reed?
Well I’m not a “Jesus Fanatic” as one of your other commenters “tried” to say but I DO Love Biblical Archaeology, Love your videos and the way you explain things...
I SURE AM A "JESUS FANATIC".
you're my favorite person on youtube, pls keep the videos coming!!!
+Josbi Thanks!! New video coming next week.
bless! 🙏
I think because it's so old, and all the contradictions in it, the bible itself is a conspiracy theory!
@@scottlouissmith2382 - Nah, nothing so sinister. It is an anthology, a collection of tall tales.
Thank you for being unbiased and covering this story
Is it possible that you might do a video on the "Secret Gospel of Mark?" I'm given to understand that it *might* be a forgery, but there's enough awkwardness surrounding it, and the circumstances of its discovery, that it's difficult to be sure. I'd love to know more about it.
The biggest forgery is the bible itself. Nothing from the bible is a true jesus's teaching. Jesus was a radical Jew who fought the romans.
@@789uio6y “Fought” in what sense? Like swords and knives and bloodshed, or passive resistance, or what? As for “Radical Jew,” I don’t have a problem with that. Much of what He said seems to fall into the category of the Very Angry Later Prophets who decried their own temple practices and priesthood for corruption and a lack of deep commitment to the faith, so, sure, no argument from me there.
If you feel that the sayings attributed to Jesus in the Gospels are not the true things Jesus said, then what do you think *are* the true things He would have said? And do you have a source for them? Preferably a period source, but something more recent with reasoned logical arguments by respectable historians and scholarly types is also acceptable.
Yep....facts can be stubborn and often times boring. Still it is refreshing to watch videos that hold steadfastly to supported research and avoid the hype. Thanks so very much for all you do.
An excellent teacher and scholar, as ever.
Judas kissed Jesus on the face, like Jesus kissed his students on the face, so He did with Mary Magdalene.
Good point, kissing was common currency among friends. Nothing to see here folks, move on please.
So how is this gospel called? The gospel of Dan Brown?
P.S a 'fragment is not a gospel, without other sources naming it .
I love this channel.
Lol, I only recently subbed to your channel (past year or two), and I'm now going through the back catalogue. Baby-faced clean-shaven you is adorable.
I am in possession of a papyrus scrap showing a receipt from the dry cleaners that Jesus used...
Thanks for this informative video. You mentioned Nag Hamadi in your video, and I remember one of the collection being stolen off a professors desk before it was able to be translated. I think it was called the Gospel of John the Baptist. Do you know if any other versions of this book were found? Also wasn't the Gospel of Thomas older than the Gospel of John we find in the bible?
Paul LoPiccolo I haven't heard the story about any Nag Hammadi texts being stolen...but to answer your question about whether the Gospel of Thomas predates the Gospel of John, the answer is a bit complicated:
Although both texts are composite texts, Thomas has both earlier and later sources than John. Some of the "Jesus sayings" in Thomas probably date back to Jesus himself, while some of the more "Gnostic" sounding verses date to the 2nd or 3rd century. John, on the other hand, probably dates entirely to the late 1st century (our earliest fragment of John dates to about 130 CE, so its composition was earlier than that). So, our version of John is earlier than our surviving version of Thomas. But both contain sayings that date back VERY early in the 1st century.
You did an excellent job, in just a few minutes, of untangling an enormous amount of confusion perpetuated by some MSM outlets. If only more of the MSM stories were written by experts like you to begin with! Anyway -- well done.
I have no idea if you still look at comments on 7 year old videos, but, taking a chance: do you read Coptic yourself, or are you dependent on translations? Do you have any idea how many academics the world over can read Coptic fairly easily? (Hmm. "Fairly easily" is not a very precise term, is it?) And of that group of academic readers of Coptic, are many of them also members of the clergy of the Coptic Church (or would it be more precise to say: the clergy of the Coptic churches?)
Thanks much for this video.
Has anyone carbon dated the ink?
Afaik carbón dating can’t tell you anything that specific. It’s more for placing the ball park within 10000 years or so
Carbon dating has been shown to be wildly inaccurate when used on objects of known age. It's basically useless as a dating method, and the premise for the method is invalidated by the fact that the earth's atmosphere hasn't even reached equalibrium.
@Sanjo Official right, I agree with you. We are saying the exact same thing.
@@elliottray5926 stop listening to Ken ham and Kent Hovind
@@nathanmckenzie904 lol you seem to be under the impression that those are the only two sources from which one could derive the opinion that carbon dating is flawed and inaccurate. Try again.
Hi. Big fan. Not a video about hermeticism?
Yessss!!! Hermeticism please!!!
I remember the flap over the 'James Ossuary'. I hear Golan walked away from that scot-free. Funny, in that the last photo I saw of the ossuary itself was atop a toilet tank that was reputedly part of Golan's rooftop archeological chop shop.
I love your channel
I really like your glasses.
When I was 12 or 13 (around 2010), I had a Sunday School teacher mention that she was a person who suspected that Jesus may have had a wife (Mary Magdalene) based on some New Testament verses that could be interpreted in such a way. She made sure that we understood that there was not much strong evidence to support this. The 2012 discovery definitely caught my attention. It's good to learn to get a scholarly follow up.
Thanks for the info.
great video keep it up!
Have you investigated Jesus' lost years, before he began his ministry, and what is your view of the Book Of Enoch abd the Apocrypha? I'm constantly seeking truth on these subjects but don't know who to trust.
hlb0111 you probably know the TRUTH now. This guy being pushed buy a darker power. I was bout to subscribe until he told on himself.
All people that accept Jesus as their Lord and savior are "betrothed" to God. It is a spiritual statement that Jesus is our Father. We have to learn to discern spiritual from human.
humbly...allan
hlb0111 Trust the Bible. It wasn't written to 'control the masses' or something; it was written to convey what the disciples saw and heard.
TheGhostrider1959 Were you writing to me?
TheGhostrider1959 I just wanted to know for sure. I know how the canon was assembled. Don't assume I assume.
Nothing to cause a scandal like the suggestion of a secret romantic/sexual relationship! That's why it's a tabloid staple.
I only learned of your channel quite by accident the other day, and I have to say it has been very educational, and insightful. I knew before I saw this, it was a forgery, but you explained extremely well not just the papyrus, but all the little things that go along with the archeology and research that goes into determining things like this.
Excellent analysis.
And Jesus said, "fake my wife, please!" I just flew in from Barbalo, and boy are my Archons tired.
It's my understanding that his disciples called him teacher, or rabbi. The tradition at the time was that you couldn't become a rabbi unless you were married, so it makes sense that Yeshua would've had a wife. It doesn't take anything away from my trust, faith, or belief. To me, it only emphasizes Yahwehs love for mankind.
That's how I look at it. Married or not it doesn't change the meaning of anything. My understanding of the whole celibacy thing, is it was made up by the church because they didn't want to have to support whole families as opposed to just one priest.
@doop6769 Eastern Churches still have married clergy. It's really not about the money.
I love what you’re doing
@religionforbreakfast hello! Could you please leave a link to the instrumental that was playing in the background? Ty vm, God bless you!
The description cites the composer, if that helps
I think Mary might have been his wife but I prefer facts and I like how you are interessted in thruth and the science of research... Thanks and if you know more about it tell us cause I’m gonna follow you from now on !!
I'm very late, but I've got a question anyways. Considering the time period and culture of the time, if Jesus was kissing Mary on her anywhere, the assumption could be made that they were indeed close enough for that sort of behavior. If they were married, or even if they were simply in a monogamous relationship, how would that complicate Christian sexual ethics? Jesus was a Jew, it would have been expected of him to have a wife and at least a couple of kids. Whether he did or not, would it really change things that much? He was also at odds with not just the Romans, but some of the more elite Jewish priests as well, so if he wasn't legally married, that may have been why. Something else to consider is that he was teaching what would only later be called Christianity; he and his disciples were developing their religious rituals, rituals that wouldn't have been recognized as legitimate until later. If he did marry, it would likely have been with one of those in-development rituals. I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I'm genuinely curious.
I agree. I found this video a bit less convincing than most of this chap's ones. The dismissal of something that was written in the second century sort of implied it was made up then. Why couldn't it be the only surviving written text recording information that had been circulating ever since Jesus died? It would strike me as more noteworthy if he were celibate, and you might expect the gospels to go on about that. Having fun with Mary Magdalene might be less worthy of comment. She was very beautiful, after all, as you can see from the Martin Scorsese film.
@@xoxb2 Right. There are so many tiny little details about the daily lives of those who came before us we know nothing about that were likely seen as so common as to be considered not noteworthy. There's a phrase in the historical dressmaking/tailoring/costuming/whatever books that have gone digital so their contents aren't lost and something that annoys a lot of folks who do that sort of thing is "finish in the usual way". What was the usual way? Back to the topic, it's well-known that our ancestors weren't nearly as big of prudes as we are today. We've no idea of the biblical characters' "usual way", and I fully expect our distant descendants will be just as frustrated with us. I firmly suspect if Jesus and Mary did enjoy eachother, it wouldn't have been commented on because (so far as we are aware) they were not legally married by any officially recognized law, they had no children, and there doesn't appear to be any evidence of wealth between them. It may well have been a common man of no consequence who later became a criminal (what the majority of society would have seen Jesus as) and a "prostitute"(what they would have seen an unattached woman who was responsible for her own living as) and what they did with eachother wasn't deemed important enough to record. The slant of the bible's authors and the time period they lived in would have to be taken into account as well.
I recommend Lynn Picknett's books on Mary Magdalene
@@dsszerothlaw I'm going to look into those. Tyvm. :)
You said that the author of this fragment probably didn't know Coptic and was likely copying from the Gospel of Thomas. You showed how text from this fragment matches up with text from GoT, but said the piece corresponding to "My wife..." didn't show up in the GoT. My first question is, if the author didn't know how to write Coptic, how would they have known how to write "My wife..."? Then it occurred to me that even if the author was copying from the GoT, they still would have to have had some knowledge of Coptic in order to copy and paste the text into a coherent narrative.
Great explanation.
That fragment may have been forged but from what I’ve heard from several Rabbi’s even back then to be a Rabbi you have to be married. I haven’t come across any documented sources on the subject though and for all I know they could be wrong. It’s an interesting puzzle though right up there with what are the odds that Jesus had no siblings.
I was under yje impression that Jesus did have siblings, and that that was not a controversial understanding. The first Bishop of Jerusalem, James, was his brother. I know that there are many who insist that they must be half siblings, as acknowledging them as full would conflict with their understanding of whether Mary did or did not ever have an actively sexual life, but I think that no 'evidence' from scripture would lead one to this conclusion, whereas references to Jesus's brothers are, if not extensive, at least non-trivial. I'll leave to others to bring up the whole 'what did they mean when they said brother' argument, which I think is a little ridiculous, but I may, of course be either blinded by demonically inspired heterodoxy, or just wrong.
Isn't it possible that the "forged," document was meant to be a copy of another document rather than a forgery? I think handwritten copies would have been the only way to disseminate extra copies to other people.
The reason it's called a "forgery" is because it doesn't suit the norm or story line
@0:57 Your video had my like in under a minute. Hats off to you, sir.
This guy is pretty great and professional
the prophecy of Massiah in the old testament (Torah) says that the messiah (jesus) will live till he sees his sons ..... and this supports the gospel of jesus's wife
Don't take it word for word since in christian mythology we are all sons of god and jesus
Alwqas Alwqas: KINDLY INFORM US ALL READERS AS TO THE QUOTE IN TORAH THAT SAYS MASIACH WILL SEE HIS SONS.!
@@canadianchristian2314 Hi ... read this please ...His life will be prolonged (extended) and he will live to even see his children (Isaiah 53:10 )
The jews however do not believe that Yeshua is the Messiah.. that's where we got tangled... so any conclusion derived from this argument is hersay...
When I'm rushing on my run
And I feel just like Jesus' son
And I guess that I just don't know
And I guess that I just don't know
- Lou Reed
I never even knew about this Gospel, thanks for showing it to me. I'm sure it should be a good read.
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The wife of Christ is the church,the elect,the called out
And who are you to make such statement? Last time I checked nobody here lived back then
I wouldn’t listen to this guy.
Even though this one seems hard to dispute to being a forgery, copying text doesn't make the copies forgeries. Otherwise the entire bible would be a forgery as we neither have the originals, nor know who wrote them down. If one writing is copying existing text, the possibility that the gospel also does must be taken into consideration. We can't determine whether a possible original to the wife's gospel existed and was buried, destroyed or excluded by the church because of it's harmful content, or whether it's made up by the author. Just like the rest of the bible.
Home Run Andrew! Your scholarly diligence is the reason I sub you! Keep up the good work!
Curious what the ink was made of. If this was someone copy words from a language they didn't know, how did they know the phrase 'my wife' and where to put it? Just curious.
Can't they also analyse the ink, which would help determine when it was written? Yes they can, but no mention of that here.
Just a lot of speculation. Maybe this, maybe that.
If the ink also dates it, then it's authentically from ancient times.
The truth of it, or any other theist fantasy, is still highly suspect.
Yeah, I was really wondering why we are talking about the brush but not the ink?
In reality, in order to be respected by his Jewish peers, Jesus would need to be married. So perhaps Mary was actually his wife but the Christians didn't want that because it made Jesus less pure in their eyes.
can u make a video about gospel of barnabus
But didn't you say that there were changes in the book of John changing "May" to Mary and Martha? And that those changes indicated that the Mary from that story was the same person as Mary Magdelene, meaning Jesus spent even more time around her then we thought, increasing the odds that they were spouses or something like that?
Next release .. The gospel of Mary Magdalene
Isn't it the other way around? It was totally normal for a rabbi to be married. Most all Jewish men were married and married relatively young. It was actually out of the norm for a Jewish man to be unmarried. The only ones not married were those who belonged to strange cults. Jesus may have been in one - the Essenes - but otherwise it would totally be expected for him to be married.
Very useful information for early covid era
how about doing a follow-up video on this subject?
How did they find out how to spell
"My wife" if just copied from thomas
nthnppps they were fluent in coptic, or knew a scholar.
Bentley Laytons Coptic in 20 lessons was published in 2007
"My wife" appears in the Gospels. Could have taken it from a Coptic New Testament.
Man, I was hanging on every word and I’m Jewish 🙀🔯 PLUS astronomy is my bag. GREAT stuff! I hope you are working on a historical detective novel on the side.
do you have any experience in Syriac? Do you have any information on how early Christianity rose in Mesopotamia?
+MarkTheChaldean I have a little bit of experience with early Syrian Christianity. As for Mesopotamia...most of my knowledge comes from studying the site Dura Europos. Really cool research done there at the ancient synagogue and house church.
You know it’s a forgery when the sentence cuts off right after the controversial phrase.
Well I know God refers to his church as a bride so 🤷🏽♂️ but also the Bible talks about false doctrines that’s been around since man could start doing so.....but it’s funny how everyone constantly forgets
The actual Jesus was most certainly married, but he's so far removed from the mythological latinized character of the Gospels that it's basically irrelevant.
Is there actual historical evidence for that, or is it just though some sort of reasoning?
@@superduck6456 the culture that Jesus observed, was born into and raised in. You got married. Celibacy is explicitly forbidden in Judaism, both in the modern day and in those times.
@@EzraB123 -- Jesus was an outlier in a lot of ways--enough so that being unmarried probably isn't even in the top three. It's highly plausible that his refusal to marry contributed to the Jewish authorities' ongoing disdain for him.
Excellent presentation thank you. Dr. Jeannie Constantinou has a good podcast on this topic on her "Search The Scriptures" podcast on Ancient Faith Radio.
A couple of less well known facts about this whole incident are cited.
The timing wasn't right for a group to be formed to talk about this, but at the first SBL conference following Dr. Kings announcement and the media hoopla that followed, (mostly the media because they sensationalize everything that tickles ears) the biggest topics of conversation in the halls and over coffee were where did this fragment come from? (i.e. no provenance provided at all) and why Dr. King was refusing to let anyone else examine the papyrus.; except one friend and colleague who "helped confirm" her translation. It took a couple of years before anyone saw anything but photocopies. This incident was the equivalent of Piltdown Man.
I don't know if Dr. King was complicit or a victim; never the less, it shouldn't have happened IMHO.
btw, is "christ" a name or a title? (ie : like a saoshyant). what's the syzygy of christ and sofia, not as persons, but as a symbolic pair of emanations from the einsof?
I found the music behind your voice very distracting.
The church is the bride of Jesus Christ.
Thomas Bressler true
Choco Potpot
This video was not bad.i think it's best too read the books before judging them.some are not good fake but I did read the book of Enoch and found nothing wrong with it and Some other ones.allways use the bible and the Gospel as a guide.
YES!! BUT I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT JESUS BEING A MAN IN HIS 30'S NOT MARRIED, BEING A GOOD JEWISH BOY AND ALL!!
Jonathan Soko have U read it??
The book of Enoch??
Joe Wright are all good Jewish men married??
thank you, for your UTUBE posts. I especially like your explanation of Gnosticism.
Gospel of Philip, 'Wisdom and Mary of Magdala' (63,30-64,9). 'Mouth' is bracketed because that part of the manuscript is damaged. Citation numbering per 'The Nag Hammadi Scriptures, The Revised and Updated Translation of Sacred Gnostic Texts, Complete in One Volume'. Meyer, Marvin, Ed. HarperCollins, NY NY, 2007.Cheers.
I enjoy your work so far. But, unfortunately, you keep using the word Conspiracy. That word comes with stigma. To most people, it refers to, for example, the crazy conspiracy theorist that wears aluminum foil hats in the '50s through the '70s in America. But, come to find out, aproximintly 90% of those "conspiracy theories" were true thanks to the Freedom of Information Act. It's a "theory," not a conspiracy. The word "conspiracy" puts people who just seek to prove or explore a theory at risk of being looked at as crazy. Then chose to not pursue the truth. At least that's how I see it. What is your opinion?
I kind of wish Jesus had a wife, it would be nice to have someone to ship him with lulz
I ship him with Peter
Seriously??
Excellent video. However two importants questions have not be asked 1- Who forged that document? 2- For what purpose? Do you have any assumptions about or information?
Thank you for the tip. I just finished to read the long (too long?) article...It is an extremely thorough investigation even when the journalist tries to determine the motives of the forger! The whole section about his pornographic past is mind boggling!!!
How does this change after the video about Magda being removed from John?
Why would not our Father not want his son not to know love between a man and a woman. Forgery or not , as a jew Christ would be expected to be married.
Why would he go threw the Trouble of marrying and having a kid if he knew he was going to leave the earth?
kat Mats Non sequitur. Jesus would have been expected to toe the line of the Jewish authorities as well. Jesus being married is nothing but conspiracy land fantasies and barbaric Islamic dreamt up nonsense.
Samuel Appiah because marriage is eternal
OH MAN!!! PLEASE cut out that obnoxious background noise! You have valuable input- that's all we need!
Id love if you did a video on your own personal religious beliefs, they are clearly extremely well thought out and researched
Kerri D same! Please do one
@Kerri D - I prefer not having it spelled out. I do not want to watch future videos always with the constant eye out for bias.
You can buy business card-sized papyrus fragments on eBay