Should These Cards be BANNED? // Flesh and Blood TCG
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Outsiders has turned the Flesh and blood Meta upside down and the top deck right now is Azalea. Azalea is so powerful at the moment, that some people are calling for a Codex of Frailty Ban, and a Premeditate Ban. As with all bans however, this causes people to re-evaluate older cards, and some people are also calling for a Fyendal's Spring Tunic Ban.
In todays video, we talk about whether or not premeditate, spring tunic, and codex of frailty should join other flesh and blood suspended cards, or if these cards should still be allowed.
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Should These Cards be BANNED? // Flesh and Blood TCG
00:00 - Intro
01:06 - Ban Premeditate
03:28 - Ban Codex of Frailty
06:25 - Ban Fyendal's Spring Tunic
08:32 - Outro & Thanks for Watching!
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Banning cards this early into a new meta seems weird to me. Azalea is the new aggro to beat, and strategies will develop to deal with it.
I don’t think codex needs to be banned only 2 classes can use it and there are counters to those classes guardian and illusionist still dumpster rangers against a good opponent and it allows us to have some games into big go wide heroes like katsu.
I think premeditated is fine. The ponder token limits the time that the car draw is available and it's utility diminishes with the number of times it's used
I think I'm too new to FaB to really make a call on whether anything *should* be banned, but I will say I've learned that historically TCGs hate auto-include cards.
I don't think the Codex of Frailty or Premeditate are problematic though time will show, is a bit too soon. Tunic though is a card I see as so ubiquitous, in pretty much every single constructed deck, that it's literally not fun to see every hero rocking nearly the same equipment Loadout, especially the chest slot and helm slot with Fyendal's Spring Tunic and Crown of Providence. Now if like them not to be banned, rather I'd like to see them increase the power level of in class legendaries to be stronger than these generic slots. Seeing all these professionals running all there tunics in a game that is fundamentally about the heroes and connecting to them lore wise , is slightly sad. Huge guardian warrior, with his spring tunic, dextrous ninjas with their stopping tunics, evil shadow loving Runeblades all dressed up in tunics, big brute Rok smashing types, no worries they too got tunics.
Is much rather see them eventually widen the power level of the genetics with more chest slots that specifically are designed to compete with tunic, as well as even more powerful in class chest and helm options to make it less of a choice as well from the class / talent pool side, so the card will still always be an option, maybe the 5th to 10th best option in time, not the number one most used equipment pieces of all time in FaB. It just feels so crappy not having enough strong non generic chest and helm options to play instead of the ubiquitous Tunic. My two cents on it all.
If they Ban Tunic after I just blew half a check on mine , I'll just cry
I don't know if codex is reality needs to be banned. I just wish it was a legendary and there could only be one of in a deck
I think Legendary would've been a good touch.
Let's get through ProTour and see how players perform with it and against it. Then if all the top decks had Codex of Frailty and it was pivotal to the win rate then sure. Not sure it should even be a discussion though with such a limited amount of exposure.
Tunic just needs a reprint. Codex is okay if your smart with it I.e put non attacks, attack reacts or d reacts in where possible. Discard doesn't really matter if you have no arsenal you still have 4 cards.
Premeditate see what happens but it's not as strong as plunder run.
And the Crown of Providence ! 🤓 and all the cards i don’t like or i can’t buy !
This won't work for every hero but I have been dodging codex discards by Loading a Dreact to arsenal early on and holding it till they have a Dominated Remorseless or RITL turn. When they Codex I don't get an attack from my graveyard but I don't have to discard either. You could probably do the same thing with a tucked 0 cost attack. I will warn as always CNC is a powerful dangerous card and don't forget it exists and assume your opponent is using it if you haven't seen their deck list.
Here's an idea instead of banning cards... make more cards useful in the first place. How about another chest piece viable other than tunic?
I have been unimpressed by the calls for bans on any of these cards. Especially at my local LGS every person who thinks Codex/Premeditate are too powerful seem to just be mad about not running over the one azalea player we have anymore. They don't want to adjust a single card in their NET deck from last December. That they built right after worlds and they expect all their easy match ups to remain easy. The whole argument that the cards are "Just Too Strong" kind of falls on deaf ears too with me because there are tons of other staples that are just as or even more strong. People don't call for them to be banned because they are in the deck they are using. (Cough AOW, EStrike two of the most powerful and flexible cards ever printed). It's really funny to watch players argue "That codex that let you use RITL again is too strong" in one game, then threaten 25 damage in a single turn with Max velocity their next game. Azalea needs reliable ways to slow down opponents and threaten meaningful damage each turn and you can win against her consistently especially if you plan/play around her predictable play patterns. I think most people crying ban will stop once a couple tournaments go by and they see how to play against the decks who use these cards. People are just adverse to changing/Trying different things.
Bro I dont even care if Tunic is banned, I just want more reasons to hear you say Fyendals Spring Tunic.
Fendals spring tchunic
Long live the RagaMuffin!!!!
Long live codex of frailty a card was printed in outsiders that counters it. Codex of frailty is rangers , Channel lake frigid … if you don’t like codex of frailty maybe you need to get down an dirty
And with all of the LL points she has…
Codex and Premed are completely fine for the time being. People need to adapt to the meta, and if they can't, and it proves to be an issue (after some actual time has passed)...then the consideration for a ban should be discussed. This happens with every release in every TCG, and 9 times out of 10, everything is totally fine. The fact that Codex is limited to two classes makes it even less of a consideration. Premeditate I could see being an issue, as it's design is close to that of Plunder Run...but I'm yet convinced.
There's literally no real reasoning for banning Tunic. Not trying to be mean, but card games are a luxury hobby...and competitive card games go even further beyond (especially financially). If the issue is cost, then a competitive format is not for you. There are other ways to enjoy the game (and actual budget options for Tunic, or you can play a class that doesn't use it). You could also work your way up to a Tunic through trades, opening packs, saving up, etc. I also believe that there's a high likelihood of additional reprints of this card to assist in maintaining it's price, and it will likely follow the pricing history of Tarmogoyf in MTG (as an example). Outside of that, the other complaint that I'm seeing is that it's too ubiquitous as a chest piece, being better than some in-class Legendary chest pieces. This is a nonissue, as not all cards can be good, especially on release. FAB has historically introduced cards that get better over time. As an example, Redback Shroud is bad in CC, but good in Blitz due to the nature of the formats and their pace of play. However, if we get more Silver support, that could change. I could see this argument if Tunic was better than all chest pieces, or even most...but it's not even better than most, it's just that most classes don't have a good chest piece.
I love that everyone is obsessed with codex of Frailty, but nobody gives a damm about the other two. Time to buy cheap! Codex of frailty let's you take from the graveyard, being the most powerful effect from the three codex, because the Frailty token is the worst one. Codex of Inertia is the opposite, lets you put a card from the top of the deck, but because the Inertia effect is the strongest. Lexi and Codex of inertia is gonna have a lot of fun.
I don't think codex needs to get banned because it's a good card added into the two of the worst classes in the game so it's not like it's getting abused by the problematic classes.
I can see that Codex of Frailty is too strong (and I don't want it banned yet, since I bought 2 and want to try them out for a bit). On the other hand, the meta is still very fresh and open, so we don't really know how strong it will be. One thing is for sure is that LSS has said they don't want to ban specific cards for specific heroes. I'm guessing that also means putting in a restriction that you can only play 1 of them. When it comes to Premeditate, I think people are just afraid that it will be a plunder run all over again, as you mentioned in your video. Finally, Tunic... why some people want it banned I can't really wrap my head around. It's one of the best in slot Ls when a class hasn't really any better options to chose from. But this is just my take on the situation.
Great video as always 👌
Yep, sure....ban EVERY legendary equipment, but never touch Command and Conquer. Ive been with FaB since WtR and Im losing hope for this game.... Equipment should never be banned unless its skeleta and breaks the game. But why does every new set create a community uproar....?
Banning cards immediatly is just straight up stupid. Meta has been stale af for like 6 months and then comes a little shake up and people want to immediatly start banning cards which are not even broken... Salty losses i'd vager...
Azalea has been straight up unplayable ever since she came out, guess what, now she is playable... Adapt, there is big enough card pool now for you to do that (unlike in monarch days).
Codex is great card for sure, not broken tho and honestly i doubt uzuri and azalea would be playable without it.
Premeditate is literally just balanced version of plunder run and it is done well (it does not extend your turn, plus you have only 3 copies, not 9 like plunder, and in anything but ranger, it is very likely to cycle itself at best, since arsenal denial is in vogue these days).
Tunic is good in slow games, wonderful in fatigue matches and ironrot in uber fast games. That's good overall, but in no way too strong. The fact is not many classes have their specific chest piece, which offers more, but LSS seem to be on track of printing tunic alternatives, which are at the very least comparably good, so it is not like you have to own a tunic to play CC.
Other expensive cards are usually similiarly highly priced, because of their versitility not raw power level. CnC is not broken card either, neither is E-strike and so on, they are just very rarely bad. Art of war can be extremely strong, but even in fine tuned deck like lexi, it will very often be underwhelming, or straight up extremely bad draw.
Fab has so many balancing mechanics, it is quite hard to create a card that would be ban worhy by itself, plus if somethig is too strong, the LL system functions as a safeguard. Banning should therefore be reserved for mistakes, accidental broken interactions and so on, not balancing the meta before it even has time to form properly
Oh and also, take notice that the most 'ban worthy' and broken cards printed yet were dirt cheap and accessible to everyone (rare - plunder run, common - ball lighting, common - that shadow runeblade 0-cost blood debt arcane buff).
What we are seeing currently is imho just meta finally shifting a bit with a new set and players being salty about their losses to the new strategies, and blaming them on "the overpowered expensive new cards" instead of their deck not being built for this meta.
Trust me, if there is a card that is THAT overpowered, it is most likely a common
Tunic will never be banned 😂 they just need to reprint it again so people can get them.
There just needs to be other equipment of equal strength easily accessible.
People bitching about cards that need banned...get over yourself Codex is fine 2 classes can play it who cares...either build the class or just keep playing till the characters hit LL
A ban of codex or premeditate would tank box ev and kill sales. Neither will be banned for at least 3 months get over it 😂
This kind of video have to be deleted, speaking without any trsuted valu in tournament.
Meeeh youtube
Limit the rarities amount you can have in your deck. And tunic and other hyper popular cards. Shouldn't the generics be set to LL status when the deserve it.