Forever a Clone - An 'Ex Holy Order Sol' Breakdown
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- čas přidán 10. 04. 2022
- the same thing only different
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#HolyOrderSol
#HoS
#GuiltyGear
#Xrd
#GGACPR
#rollback
#GuiltyGearStrive
#Testament
To Unlock Ex characters:
Gotta beat story mode with said character. Or have 100 hours and they'll be all unlocked. Or go to network mode and host a private lobby with ex characters enabled. Then press confirm on your self in the lobby to go into training mode. It'll work there
check out the full list of changes here
docs.google.com/document/u/0/... - Hry
![[GGAC+R] TalesOfJade (Order Sol) vs. Jason|RIOT (Sol) 03122022](/img/n.gif)
I love the idea of "let's give EX HOS a bunch of cracked versions of his & Sol's moves but also keep Rock It at level 1"
Lol it's the one thing they held back on
@@LucidButtonMasher hey man. How likely is it, that the post war administration that created robo-ky would also create robo-sol since hes now a public hero like ky was after the war?
If so, how likely is it going to be that something like order-sol is going to come out of it?
Depends on the demand for said character. Otherwise you'll have to play him in MUGEN
@@LucidButtonMasher Weird they didn't make it a rekka
"I said we playing The Missing Link today!"
-EX Order Sol
"the missing link stays on during heaven or hell"
@@LucidButtonMasher *Sol on a Good Day* (GG1 Sol TAS)
"But where's the Charge Mechanic?!"
"Don't need it where we're going" *Proceeds to TAS the game*
I always thought EX HOS was just the devs way of saying "So what if he didn't had to manage a meter and we gave him raw DI moves?"
Yeah pretty much lol
My personal headcanon is that EX Order Sol in the timeline is Sol making the transition from his old Order Sol fighting style to the current day Sol Badguy fighting style. So EX Order Sol would be Sol towards the end of his career in the Sacred Order of Holy Knights.
Think that tracks actually. No expert though
Even though I don't play Accent Core, I have to commend your dedication to making all these guides for people that do. Really cool stuff 👍
Much love and thanks for watching anyway
@@LucidButtonMasherMy order sol is also gold and black variations.
Fun fact is that Order-Sol debuted (along with introducing ABA from Isuka into the mainline games) in the Japan-only Guilty Gear XX Slash, which basically was a near-travesty in balance changes (Ky and Anji were notoriously top tier and Eddie/Zato coming from #Reload were nerfed).
However, Slash introduced half of the stuff carried over into vanilla Accent Core.
It's funny how Ex Order-Sol is just GG1 Sol except without the charge mechanic, a mechanic that normal Order-Sol has.
On a minor note, Accent Core's EX Order-Sol has all of Sol's normals except for one: he still has his f.S. That f.S was actually added in Accent Core, replacing his old f.S in Slash, which was his Fafnir punch (the FB Fafnir was also added in AC). Slash's EX Order-Sol had Sol's f.S, so I'm guessing that whoever coded in his new f.S for Accent Core accidentally replaced EX mode's version as well.
Another mistake they made with f.S is with its hit effects. In GG, there are two visual and sound effects that play when you attack someone: one for moves that are physical moves, such as punches and kicks; and one used for sharp objects, like swords and such. As stated before, Order-Sol's f.S in Slash was his Fafnir punch from GGX and GGX2, so when he hits someone with it, it plays the punch sound and visual effect. They replaced it in Accent Core to have Order-Sol attack with his sword, but they forgot to change what type of hit effect plays. So if you hit an opponent with Order-Sol's c.S, 5H, 6H, 2H, etc., it plays the normal weapon hit effect, but hit someone with his f.S, it plays the melee hit effect. It's a very minor thing, but once I noticed it, I was never able to unsee/unhear it.
Pretty cool stuff to notice tbh
I mean that kinda makes sense since he’s using a big rock lol
Damn, I knew of the punch animation replacement, but I didn't think of such an oversight by the devs for that new f.5S lol
Then again, Zappa in his Accent Core artwork has six fingers on one hand lol
Get down to business is enough reason to put Order Sol back in
NOW DO IT WITH LYRICS
@@LucidButtonMasher but keep the little vocals in the original intact!
Oh of course
1:23
The way the dp syncs up with the song twice in a row sounds so cool.
I had that part synched to the air throw initially but i had to cut some pieces out but luckily that worked out lol
I don’t play most of the characters in +R but the guides to the ex characters are very informative and interesting
Many thanks. Appreciate the support
I genuinely would love for him to be back in strive. So much potential
He's so cool
You see these fun tools and cracked up moves and you still want it to get gutted and nerfed to hell in strive?!
^
I'm probably extremely off, but didn't sol kill his past self or something
In the weird plus r ino timeline i think there's a path that does that yeah
I like the references to The Missing Link Sol, not only the Instant Kill, but the dashing moves as well as the Gun Flames (S/H).
Dash attacks are hilarious
@@LucidButtonMasher
Haha, yeah. Also, you want to play anytime?
The original Sol Dripguy.
Ex HOS is the one of a few Ex characters I messed around with a bit before your breakdowns made me interested in trying others.
Would've been nice to have HOS playable in Xrd or even as an outfit.
-He did have a model in Xrd even if it was only used for 1 scene in Rev2's story mode.-
He had a model??
@@LucidButtonMasher More or less. I think it is on that after story where Sol and Ky go out to fight because Sol said something bad about Ky's Waifu and almost got destroyed.
It's seen in the almost flashback, a white Sol with long clothes were against a younger white Ky... maybe is HOS? Idk
Hnmm
Now you gotta cover Gold characters.
Eesh maybe lol
Finally an update from one of my favorite content creator.
P.S. Huge fan by the way
Your dedication is noted. Many thanks and cheers
I love it that EX Order Sol is GG1 Sol put into Accent Core.
I like it a lot
0:45 is essentially just cause Order-Sol has a low jump arc in general to basically be a KOF boi.
In both normal and EX, Order-Sol has to essentially implement the jump install bug (since GG1 or X iirc) to basically allow his high jumps to have a double jump.
Neat
Can't believe in Strive Plus is that Order-Sol is getting some of his EX moves, but, with his Chaos (Charge) Gauge.
Oh? Didn't know that was a thing
That beginning reminds me of a clip where Ragna just rapid cancels together Inferno Dividers
Basically but can be do it 5 times lol
Have you seen that clip when two Ragnas clash Inferno Dividers for like a minute and then does a Belial Edge with like 100 hits?
Lol wtf
As a HoS co main
I have LONG awaited this breakdown
But I also am kinda sad the series is finished
Thanks for watching! Look forward to me being a monkey hitting more buttons
@@LucidButtonMasher now that’s the content I’m talking about!
Iirc, the DI Gun Flame and DI Volcanic Viper are essentially Sol's Lv 3 Charged Gun Flame and Volcanic Viper back in GG1.
Much like Ky's Stun Edge Charge Attack.
The dash attacks iirc were also a jank GG1 perk.
Order-Sol's 5K knee is also likely that knee for his IK starter back in GG1 as well. Furthermore, the name Sakkai (Killing Realm) AKA Morbid World for his Dragon Install Deadly Rave-style sequence is actually the name for the old red screen mechanic for how instant kills worked back in again, GG1.
Order-Sol's Tyrant Rave in EX mode is also essentially GG1 Tyrant Rave (just the upwards recoil fling animation).
Neat
MISSING LINK SOL IS BACK AND I LOVE IT
I guess you could say ................
I GUESS YOU CAN SAY IT WAS-
I imagine EX Order-Sol is the result of a what-if where the PWAB decided to make a Robo-Sol instead and Crow had managed to gather nearly all off the battle data from Sol's moveset then and now and implement it instead of giving him a "Random bs go" weaponry like Robo-Ky's. (maybe omitting DI Sakkai)
Ggml sol basically
freaking awesome, especially when he automatically destroys you at low health
Same idea in regular hos too
Now you gotta do the gold characters! Kliff never got the chance to shine
True
This series was awesome. Looking forward to you doing Gold characters next maybe?
Not next, going to take a break from formal stuff. Glad you enjoyed it
i wanna see a high level ex-only tournament
There's at least one tournament on you tube
I didn't even know you made this, I love how this is more like in-between Guilty Gear and GGX Sol.
Enjoy the ex series!
@@LucidButtonMasher I'm gonna watch them, I was thinking it was a one off in the recommended
Whole playlist lol
I love that second IK is a IK from GG The Missing Link.
Wait the whole ex version of Order Sol IS a a Sol from GG The Missing Link. That 66P/66K, that one hit overdrive, that second IK - it's all was in The Missing Link. Just without a charge mechanic. But this can be fixed by changing to GG Mode.
Pretty funny you can do that
You dustloop with ex hos by doing jd, jump cancel jump d. Max is 4 reps, sometimes you can get a kd with grounded bandit revolver (like with sol ending sidewinder combos)
Good tips!
Sad to see this series end, though, should probably get better on the normal versions of my characters before I start caring about EX characters. You could maybe do a series on gold characters next? I don't remember all the individual changes, but I don't think characters usually have very many, you'd probably have to do 2 or 3 at a time. The only one I know is Order Sol, who's gold form gives him regenerating level charge, and his DI super happens automatically when you just do the first input
Id need to find a whole list of what they all do if i did another series. Glad you enjoyed
EX HOS is probably my favorite character in Plus R and he's not even legal in tournaments.
I just fucking love shotos dude
He do be shotoin
Your channel is pure wisdom
I dunno about that. Have you seen my previous clips lol
I'm sorry but All Guns Blazing is just the coolest instant kill ever. There's nothing more badass then Sol doing "nothing personal, kid" and then a giant explosion happens.
Lol exactly
ex order sol can really shit out damage; his grounded bandit revolver launches downwards less hard and allows him to loop his grounded bandit revolver into himself, and his j.d has significant untech, allowing him to do j.d airdash j.k j.d midscreen, as well as j.d jc (falling) j.d for more "proper" dustloop reps
The mid screen one sounds sick plus the bandit loops
Alright. The Dust loop route you used is valid, but you also are able to preform his dust loop like EX Sol's Dustloop with a double jump cancel in the middle. It's a little character and weight dependent but Doing them this way straight up gives him a 70% damage route from any corner starter.
Damn that's sick
@@LucidButtonMasher He also has Bandit Revolver loops that are pretty easy to set up and do great damage and have solid meter build. Link to a vid on them. czcams.com/video/iKFwbw4ZAWc/video.html
@@LucidButtonMasher They also need to be preformed like this on Heavy Weights. czcams.com/video/4HB7MhT48_Q/video.html
Yeah those look easy very nice
Hell yeah, he better come back
Here's hoping
Actually, HOS has the old classic GG#R Dustloop
Just works in corners and there's no way to do it midscreen
6P>5H> 4X(j.D> (delayed) j.D)> 623H/236K
I couldn't get a second jd after the first jumping one unless i was just doing it wrong. Felt like he was too heavy and hit the ground too early
@@LucidButtonMasher I took the liberty of making a small vid on the possible ways on going on about an EX HOS Dustloop. Take a gander at it
czcams.com/video/2Z-vViQ3Yz4/video.html
Yooo that 66p and 66k look fucking sick now I wish regular HOS had that.
If only
EX HOS can be looked as if ASW could change anything in GGML before fhe kusoge state it is in now, making HOS as the base and keeping it story-friendly.
Ofc, there's GG mode to go full ML with him in +R but the universal charge mechanic is now tied to meter gain rather than special moves and has actual startup and recovery frames; desperation mode now only buffs the charge meter gain by a lot. To compensate for these changes, FB variants of GF and VV can be looked as powered versions of themselves as the lack of charge levels specials and costing meter to use them to turn the tables.
EX HOS is like an abomination of previous Sols, 66P and 66K are reference to his dash attack and infamous pseudo infinite in ML before they were overhauled. Bandit Revolver is most likely from Reload, revolver loops first from GGX until Reload and it does not KD like normal Sol's if the combos goes for too long or a lightweight character. FB VV first hit deals less damage than regular DI VV and both have the same problem of dropping when the first hit is a counter. Tyrant rave can't combo from 2D as all character will enter OTG before it goes active.
Dustloops with EX HOS is similar as stated from other comments, launcher > [j.D > jump > delay j.D] > whatever, but most commonly it will be 2 reps like how normal Sol has in +R but it ends with a BR or even 2 BRs.
In Slash, there was frames of HOS using Sol's f.S animation instead tweaked to his looks but I think it ended up being unused.
Lots of good info
Man I love this game so many good memories fam
Big agree
Ayeeeeeee my fkn guy
Sure is
awe man, you're done? I'm gonna miss these popping up in my recommended
Look forward to my other dumb clips me of playing fighting games
@@LucidButtonMasher you betcha!
Is not just regular sol, Ex HOS moveset is Based on the First PS1 Guilty Gear Sol.
Seems that way
From what I recall, Ex Order Sol's heavily based on Sol's Missing Link moveset, right?
Technically. Order Sol (not EX) is more like GGML due to the usage of his charge moves. That was a unique mechanic most characters had in that game (rip Axl)
Funny run move
Pretty much. Just with minor differences:
He doesn't have the charge mechanic
f.S is Accent Core Order-Sol's f.S
Rock it didn't exist back then
You didn't need to press a button for Sol's dash attack ([66]P) in the original game
His other running dash attack ([66]K) looked more similar to his Riot Stamp attack
Fafnir didn't exist yet
And a bunch of other stuff
All guns blazing is the best part of ex hos
Pretty cool move
All that with a slab of concrete with pre-stretched rebar sticking out
Hits like a truck
Can we get something like a extra episode about GG and GGX modes of characters pls?
Id need to find research on them since there's not a convenient guide like the ex characters
Pretty sure that "5K" is also the original animation for the first hit of Sol's instant kill in GGML
Sol's instant kill hit looks similar, but it's slightly different. He had the same 5K in the first game as he does in the others. Order-Sol's 5K is an edited version of Sol's 5K.
Hmmm interesting
@@HSEJM14 when he's covering the "instant kill" section EX HOS raises his knee slightly to activate it. This is similar to the Missing Link animation. He calls it a "5K" and that's what I was referring to, not his original 5K.
Think it's from plus r 5k?
@@Kaisogen It's similar but not the same. It uses the same animation as Order-Sol's normal 5K, which is an edit of Sol's 5K, a move that he's had since the first GG. Go and compare the sprites: it's almost the exact same except his clothes, sword, ponytail, legs and arm were redrawn.
Order-Sol was added in Slash, and AC added the GG1 version of IK (I think its the console versions of AC, too). So, instead of drawing new sprites, the devs reused default Order-Sol's 5K due to it looking similar to his knee attack in the first game.
To me, he seems like a middle point between HoS and Missing Link Sol.
Very much so
Order Sol: Volcanic Viper!!! Viper! Viper!! Viper!! Viper!! Viiper!!...... /*Ascends/*
Some say you can still his DP echoing in the wind
And my hands breaking
I can't take Order Sol seriously when he says "Mendoku se!" 'cause he sounds like he's talking in Spanish.
More specifically, it sounds like he's saying "Tengo sed", which means "I'm thirsty" in English.
Lol never heard it like that but fair enough
Regular order sol would fit strive nicely since he already has a power up meter management gimmick
Lol true but they'd probably butcher him too
@@LucidButtonMasher agreed lolll
You know I kinda want a EX Tourney now
There have been some before
Sol (Greatest Hits)
It be hitting
He's more than a clone! He's sol with meter management
Not in ex version
Well, I guess we will have to go back to GROWLERRR
god do i love GRROWLER
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Sol kinda do that instant kill in Xrd? He just doesnt pass through instead and isnt like Sol's giant knee.
Nah he revs up good sword and slams it into them with a big explosion
is there no EX justice? i swear I remember u making a video on it but I can't find it
Nope, neither her nor kliff
Is being able to use D versions of specials specifically a HoS thing? Cause I have zero memory of that being a feature in any of the 2D GG titles I've played...
D as in force breaks?
@@LucidButtonMasher So, I just looked it up - I didn't realise that the Force Break mechanic wasn't introduced until AC, which I haven't actually had the chance to play. So that makes sense as to why I didn't get it.
So! You're all done! What's next?
Probly back to funny monkey slayer videos of nonsense happening in online matches
I love this Character, ex and default are good for me, but dude ex mode is terrifying
It's a whole new world
I can't properly use his Dragon install overdrive i keep messing up how do i do this correctly?
You have to time it, they're all links. Id suggest looking up a how to guide
@@LucidButtonMasher Thanks
3:32
Is that.... The omni man meme???
Huh? How?
YO thats the gg missing link sol ik animation
Pretty tight
God help the rest of the world when someone plays any version of sol badguy that has a real projectile
I dunno gun flame is real good as is
They should’ve just put “original sol” in there cause that’s what he is lol
Pretty much
Order sol is dope AF
He sounds sick too
Are the EX characters a thing for all of them? Do you have to unlock them, and does it generally change their rankings in a tier list (I.E. one version is noticeably better or worse than the other)? I'm interested
Oh wait I see in the description now
I am dumb of ass
Nah its cool, most people refuse to read lol. Yeah there pretty cool, check out the others
@@LucidButtonMasher Oh I have been! Potemkin EX looks like a very fun time :D
The thing is I watched it on mobile so only the first part showed up in the description
I already really wanted to get this game but the intrigue of ex characters really does it
He really is the Best of Sol Badguy
I can agree
Forever a “Kyo” Clone, am I right?
I love it when devs add in a “classic” version of a character when they have their moveset changed. (Kusanagi, Devil Jin)
Hell, I can see Order-Sol being added in Strive in this manner (in a ~10% chance).
Drastically changed if they did
@@LucidButtonMasher Between Jack-O, Baiken & Testament, a prayer’s gonna be needed to see legacy characters keep an old move or two going forward.
But then again, these are the more “tricky” ones of the cast, so who knows?
Tricky since they could change them so drastically
Or Young Link in Smash Ultimate
Are these all the same in the old version (ggxxac)
I imagine so. I dunno though honestly
I feel like we're missing a few, did some just not get EX variants?
Kliff and justice don't have em
@@LucidButtonMasher that's very strange
Not exactly sure why either
Hes essentially Missing Link Sol
Very cool
@@LucidButtonMasher very true
Holy Order Sol is one of the rawest fighting game characters of all time
3:24 typo... you should hire me
What the extra apostrophe in destroys?
@@LucidButtonMasher aye
It's a small one, but your comment did have me mindful as i caught 3 errors in my next video
@@LucidButtonMasher awesome
Wait, Cliff or Justice doesn't have an EX version?
They sure don't
IT'S TIME FOR BOOT
No 6k for him
@@LucidButtonMasher What you mean? I meant dash kick and Riot Stamp.
Oh lol i meant his usual 6K where he does a big boot
ORA ORA IT'S DADDY TIME
Ara ara
Is that a skullgirls reference in the title?
Sure is
@@LucidButtonMasher LETS GOOO
Good pick
Bro can we like have order Sol for the dlc
Ok I'll allow it
Basically EX Order Sol is GG1 Sol since he's got stuff like the dashing P or dash K specials, GG1 Instant Kill and...well its not the same Tyrant Rave as GG1's super bullshit jankmaster flame spiral Tyrant Rave but its something.
He shoulda just played exactly like Missing Link Sol. Every last bit of jank and I don't even care. That game was the game in the Guilty Gear series. Even if it means Sol'd get charge cancel infinites. Closest we can get is using GG Generations.
Lol it would be fun to see
@@LucidButtonMasher Pretty sure EXes are largely banned in most tournaments and on ranked anyway, and they've not been seen since this game. Might as well just go the whole hog.
That's what i mean just let him go crazy. Ban if need be nbd
I just want HOS in Strive because then I'd have two characters to play
Who's the second
He reminds me of how sol plays in missing link but even more cracked lol
Exactly
Time for shadow and gold n all that
Probly not for awhile. Back to regularly scheduled programming
@@LucidButtonMasher understood, will be anticipated
Hell yeah
Ah yes, #RELOAD Sol on crack
True though
The EX characters are interesting, i doubth but i hope they will become legal in some EX tournament
They've done an ex tournament before! Super cool!
@@LucidButtonMasher Really? wanna check out
For sure.
What about kliff and justice
Sadly, they don't have EX versions.
@@dariogonzalez8989 DAMMIT ARC SYS
Someone commented a long time ago about some kind of glitch with team mode and ex justice and kliff being selectable but now i can't find it
@@LucidButtonMasher quite intresting
Biggest mistake of this video is using Nakata Joji as HOS' voice actor (no I am kidding, do as you please lol).
Joji just has this noble accent to his voice I can't reconcile with Sol's character.
I started with xrd so his gruff deep bellows fill my soul. I got some shit for this in my "best voice actors in fighting games" vids too. But god damn he hits that "TY-RANT-RAVE!" so well
@@LucidButtonMasher Oh hell yeah Joji is definitely an amazing voice actor and I've loved to hear his roles ever since I read the fan translation of Fate/Stay Night back in the day.
I'm just used to Daisuke. And when I hear Joji as I said he's got this dignified maybe even noble accent in his voice. While Daisuke sounds more gruff and coarse.
I can kinda see what you mean both ways
Wait a minute, does that mean that there is no EX Kliff and Justice?
Indeed
Looks like the developers couldn't find a way to make them stronger than they already are.
Or at least different
Wait is there not a ex big sword dwarf?
Unfortunately no
:(
Still great job on the series though
Lol ty bud
destroyed.
Same
🧁+🍦/10
Great video. Needs more fat shaming Holy Order Sol.
Lol what
gib order sol for streev
Streev it is
Basically PSX Sol
Basically
How does ps1 sol differ compared to his current style in Guilty Gear XX?
@@darkdoctor1915 i tried to answer, but it seems there's an error while commenting
Projectiles are bullshit
-Sol Tsu.
Fair, which is why he's got a fast one now
Ex modes suck, they just break the characters but atleast its a funny video xD
They're fun to fuck around with for sure
@@LucidButtonMasher yeah I can get that but really though, Tourneys dont allow ex modes for a reason. Also HOS has a lotta funny things going on with him without the ex mode...im sure I already mentioned "quick charge" already
I'm sold in the first 10 seconds
Lmao glad you liked it. That shit was hard to get
GET DOWN, GET DOWN
GET DOWN
GET DOWN