"Ramage's Rampage - US Submarine Sinks 5 Ships in 37 Minutes" | Kip Reacts to The Fat Electrician
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- Fellow Legends, welcome! Today we dive into another amazing Fat Electrician video, this time with completely misreading the title and hearing about an absolutely legendary combat encounter from WWII. This video was nothing short of legendary. If you haven't check out The Fat Electrician or The Fat Files yet you should absolutely do so and definitely go on over and check out the original video to show some support for the source material!
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Original Video: Ramage's Rampage - US Submarine Sinks 5 Ships in 37 Minutes - USS Parche
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Oversimplification of some of the problems with the Mark 14 torpedo:
-Never had a live fire test during development, and was only ever tested in one location.
-Would run deep because it only ever was tested with concrete dummy warhead.
-The torpedo would strike with enough speed and force that it would deform/destroy the contact detonator, before it could trigger the explosives
-The magnetic detonators were extremely sensitive and could prematurely detonate (Resulting from how tests were only in one location).
-Bureau of Ordinance refused to believe any claims against their prized mark 14 design.
If you would like a much more in depth creator to cover this I would recommend Drachinifel and his video “The Mark 14: Failure is like Onions”
Those torpedoes were fucking mint.👌
Once they were fixed.@@ColtonRMagby
@@anzaca1 Have you NEVER seen the "fucking mint 👌" shorts and TikToks?
You forgot that due to not having officers of Navy available because they were doing all the finalization's for carrier details and planning (at the time it was super secret and so the higher ups were buisy and the lower officers were donig the upper bracket jobs + there own). This lead to the Army, specifically the Tank Artillary regemental took charge of the MK-14, the issue was they did everything on land and never tried the torpedo out at all in a water setting thinking that "What will water do to this that the air cant?". Keep in mind the tank artillary group gets canned for being unimpressive the next year after this tordpedo was passed by them.
There was a friendly fire instance where the torpedoes came back at the shooting ship sinking itself.
Alchohol was banned and the torpedoes were useless so the crews on the Motor Torpedo boats would swipe guns from where they could and turned the fuel of the torpedos into alcoholic beverages. After removing a set % the crews realised the torpedoes were slower and more consistant with detonations and reported there findings in 42 early but was officially ignored till late 42.
Mk 14 torpedoes after the fix and to the end of the war held a total of 46% dud rait, which is horrific as if you take the last 2 years of conflict for the US the dud rait was 3% LUL
Further context, Rammage had worse luck then most durring this time with having fired 52 torpedoes and only having 5 detonations under his command before the torpedoes were fixed
@@joshuaturcotte6724 YIKES! 47/52 torpedoes malfunctioned under Ramage's command before they fixed them? Good God!
Hey kip! If you are interested in learning about the Mark 14 torpedo the naval history youtuber Drachinifel has a full video covering the development and failures of it. Drach does good work and teaches anything naval from age of sail to the 50s or so.
Ya too add to that drach also has a 3 part series on the U.S submarine campaign during ww2
Definitely would love to see Kip to react to many different videos of Drachnifel, and the middle 14 honestly would be a good starting point.
I believe I put those videos in his recommendations before it was disabled after he got pretty much enough for the next 3 years
yeah, "The Mark 14 Torpedo - Failure is Like Onions" is a great video if you want to find out more about the clusterf*ck that was the Mark 14 and the people behind it.
He also has an incredible video of Admiral Willis Lee he mentioned
The justification for the loss of advertisement, is a sacrifice I am glad to make.
"Military Grade" AKA Not a penny more than what is necessary for it to do its job.
Ramage surrounded by cargo-ships and enemy vessels "It's a target rich environment."
"Is he gonna ram them?"
Yeah... that'd be like ramming a truck with an empty beer can.
woulda been hilarious to see though.
Ramage channeled Bugs Bunny to pass that eye exam.
The simple, unclassified, answer as to why modern subs can stay under water for days/weeks/months at a time is 2 fold.
1) Deisel subs require a certain amount of oxygen for the motor to operate and require a certain amount of exhausting to keep the air clean enough for humans. Submerging requires running on WWII era battery technology. Nuclear subs do not have either requirement to run the engine, so the crew is the only oxygen requirement.
2) Deisel subs were designed more like surface ships, which are optimized for traveling on the ocean surface, and therefore have a lot of drag under the water. The more cigar shaped nuclear subs are optimized for traveling under the water, so they primarily travel under the water.
Speaking of 16 in. American battleship guns, the Kirishima is the shining example of why the IJN avoided the Iowas. The Kirishima engaged the USS South Dakota with her 15 in. guns, damaging her. The USS Washington, a North Carolina class battleship, was sailing behind the South Dakota. The Washington promptly wrecks the Kirishima, while taking minimal damage.
Not only were the Iowas more advanced and six knots faster, they had longer higher velocity guns, so they could fire the same shells farther, faster, flatter, more accurately, and penetrate deeper.
Also, Washington managed to close the distance to just 5,800 yards without Kirishima even seeing her.
It was not North Carolina but the USS South Dakota that got hit by Kirishima's main gun. But South Dakota had electrical problems to the point where they couldn't fire the 16 in Guns.
@@jacobkirk2913 Thank you for the correction.
Didn't the Washington also have some of the best gunnery in the fleet to begin with?
@@terryhiggins5077 Yes, combined with the fact that it was commanded by Adm. Lee (Drachinifel has a video on him and on this battle in particular) who was both technologically expert to the point of being able to teach his own expert gunners their job and a highly capable leader as well. Kirishima could not have encountered a more lethal opponent.
6:28 "F'k it We're Doing It Live!"
People in your comments (and warthunder forums) be like:
"Well, you see Kip, a Silkworm missle [proceeds to drop exact specs for missle.]"
Also, there are 21 total Carriers in the world operated by 14 navies and the US has 11 of them.
How does that work? If the US has eleven of them, that leaves ten to be shared by 13 other navies.....
@captin3149 Alright, I'll edit the comment, but on further review, there are conflicting views. I just went with the first result on Google without thinking about it, and I should know better, but the Hill Reports that there are 21, but Wikipedia says 47. Both agreed on the 14 navies thing.
@@SuperBossGiovanni Gotcha and I wasn't trying to be a jerk, I was legitimately asking. I ran into the conflicting reports too and was wondering where you saw the numbers you had.
@@SuperBossGiovanni They must be working with different definitions of carrier, which could put things like our Marine landing ships which operate helicopters and some smaller fixed wings in or out of the numbers. That would account for the discrepancy.
@@grantharriman284 Yeah, that's what I would bet. It's a lot like how everything is a tank in a reporter's eyes (when I have to explain why a BMD-1 is not a tank to a reporter, I lose even more faith in news agencies, which I always think is impossible).
People ask if you went back to WWII with today’s information, what would you do. Fixing the damn Mark 14 would be extremely high on my list
agreed, I'd also look at bringing back a single modern cargo plane, assuming zero logistical or support issues for it. Such as a C-130
@@flyboy6392 to be frank I think even a single modern sub would be far more impactful as a single Virginia class would fuck up damn near everything naval of that period in time
@@elapidpython4378 fair enough, but still, the big benefit of modern SSBNs or the non-ballistic hunter-killer models, is their ability to conduct surface strikes with GPS-guided weapons. That's why I always caveat with "back-end logistics not being an issue"
@@flyboy6392yah, no gps, you'd be dependent on terrain following and INS i believe for thr cruise missiles mk 82's would be baller though
@@Viper607706 could you imagine, though, again, tech issues notwithstanding, be it GPS, fuel, maintenance, munitions, or said back-end issues, what an MQ-9A could have done in WWI/WWII?
14:20 Fun fact, Royal Navy subs have a tradition to this day of flying the Jolly Roger as well as the Naval Ensign. It stems from WWI. People regarded subs as dishonourable, calling the crews "pirates", so the sub crews embraced it. HMS Conqueror, the only nuclear sub to ever sink an enemy ship, actually flew the Jolly Roger when it returned to Britain.
The US also has a single ship authorized to sail the Jolly Roger, the USS Kidd. Not named for the pirate, but damnit they leaned into it anyway.
To be intellectually honest, the "chain of command" TFE is refuring to is the Bureau of Ordnance or as everyone called "BuOrd'. There Officers were the creators of the MK14 Torpedos and its variants which had no tests whatsoever so when the torpedos were used and the issues started appearing first it was random detonations in the Submarines as some subs went missing without a radio call ir enemy records saying they sunk it.
Not to mention when Pearl harbor happened they lost a majority of there Torpedo stockpile so they were even more hesitant to fixing the problems.
Every submarine commander hated these damn things it wasn't until the commanders delivered there reports directly to the Admiral of the Pacific theater, Admiral King, because he had gis suspicions because hed talk to his offiecrs and enlisted when he had the time. And if its one thing he HATES the most other then the Japanese during the war its bureaucratic officers who short hand sailors. He FORCED or stopped anny attempts to trying to conduct tests on the torpedos and authorized his subs to do any modifications to them when out at sea so BuOrd doesn't threaten court martial for not "following" there instructions on how to deploy the Torpedos. Because when they submitted reports on tatics papers were written up to modify the Torpedos to at the least make them actually function with what they had on hand.
BuOrd tried so hard to hide the defects and even had the gaul to try selling the torpedos to the British the Royal Navy takes one look at the Torpedos and told BuOrd to go fuck themselves they'll use there own because they know about the problems one quoting "its a wonder that thr Americans dont know about the utter uselessness if the MK14"
The only thing I have yet to find out is if those same officers of the Bureau of Ordnance were executed at best for undermining the Nations defense because there fucking morons and tried covering there own ass or at the least court Martialed and dishonorably discharged
No, there were no charges resulting in the failures that were the Mk 6 exploder (which didn't) or the general mess that was the Mk-14. The reason for that is simple. The head of B-Ord during the war had been one of the officers DIRECTLY responsible for the decision not to test in the 30s, and he wrote the whole thing off as "just an unfortunate set of problems nobody could have forseen" before pardoning the whole team... incluing himself.
It is also why it took a full year to actually get anyone to fix the stupid things.
@@leechowning2712 "The board has investigated itself and found itself to be innocent of all charges and accusations."
Military Grade: Made by the lowest bidder to the EXACT specification listed and if you do anything just slightly outside those specs, it will explode, light on fire, implode, or all of the above.
Military grade is like when you're in school and you have a group project where 3/4 members don't contribute. It might get done. It might pass. But it ain't going to be pretty and it'll be held together with twine and prayers.
"What happened to this thing?" "It was rated for 9 mph. Someone ran it to 9.00001 mph and it proceeded to turn itself inside out and exploded."
Mil Spec, things built to "these EXACT specs" by the lowest bidder with the cheapest material possible
@@Puma1Sunfire1 in the shortest amount of time possible.
Modern submarines are completely different to WW2 subs in just about every way.
First things first, modern subs have a different mission entirely. WW2 subs were hunting shipping and doing surprise torpedo attacks within visual range, including the use of the deck gun as seen here. It was a fallback weapon, but they gave it to them for a reason. While the modern subs still CAN do that(minus the deck gun) they are more accurately understood as a missile launch platform and modern torpedoes have a similarly extended ranges compared to WW2 torpedoes, so they are attacking from MUCH farther away. This was beginning to happen by the end of WW2 as demonstrated by the "sunk a train" video, but it has fully happened now.
Submersion time is by far the greatest difference of technology between WW2 and Modern. It all comes down to power. Your ship requires a certain amount of energy to operate its systems. Everything from lights, to radios, to sensors, all of it needs power, and it has to come from somewhere. In WW2 that somewhere was a diesel motor which would turn a generator to get electricity, but those need oxygen to run, so you can't run it while underwater, meaning that you instead have to charge batteries while on the surface, shut off the diesel motor, and then run off of the batteries. That SEVERELY limits the time and travel distance of a submerged submarine. Modern subs use nuclear reactors as their power source, so they can stay underwater and still use that power source. That plus the introduction of Carbon Dioxide scrubbers means they can basically go unlimited duration underwater. They can recycle their air and water near indefinitely, so most of the time their food supply is actually the limiting factor on their submerged endurance.
I would LOVE to see you react to Drachinifel's video on the Mark 14 torpedo: "Failure is Like Onions". That torpedo was a masterclass in how _not_ to do... anything, really, when it comes to weapon design.
When I was in the military Kip, for my 2 deployments we were given a mixture of the 2 magazine types for our M4's. "Green Followers" and "Orange Followers", green followers were the very old and shitty mags. They were the cause of many malfunctions, because the bullet tip area of the magazine would "nose dive" down into the mag when trying to feed a round. Our "orange followers" remedied that, but being "Military grade" i still did not trust them. Before we went on our Afghanistan deployment, I went out of my way to get 7 Magul Gen2 PMags for my combat load. when they issued me my 7 "deployment mags" I legit stripped all the rounds out and put them in "my " magazines. I was on my Battalion HQ's shitlist day one of my deployment. They legit threatened me with punishment for "being different" and tried to site an ALARACT (All Army Activities for short), but they did not give me the date, the number designation, and I called their bluff. "What ALARACT? Show me the actual document, until you provide proof I am not switching my mags". Needless to say, I carried my mags with me the entire deployment. to piss off Battalion HQ even more, since I know there ALARACT threat was bs, I kept decking out my M4 with more Magpul gear. Magpul Buttstock, Angle Foregrip, picatinny handguard covers. I kept smirking the entire time I kept walking past our HQ building on my way to our JOC Compound
Thank you for this!
There are 21 “aircraft carriers” in service around the world. The U.S. has 11 of them… but then it gets complicated, because there are also smaller ships such as “wasp class amphibious assault ships” that also have carrier decks. These aren’t included in the number. The U.S. has an additional 7 of those in service. These are too small to launch and land conventional jets, but were perfect for harriers and now F-35’s. As well as osprey (if they get put back into service) and helicopters.
What was wrong with the Mark 14 torpedo? Yes.
I can't believe the Mk 14 torpedoes were NOT properly tested BEFORE the war took off. Sure, money was a problem, but that's NOT a good excuse.
NEVER underestimate the ability of bureaucracy to absolutely fuck everything up, ignore the problem, deny any responsibility, and then face no significant consequences for their fuckups
@@Joe-xq3zu Especially if the guys making the damn things have only ever worked on ammunition for TANKS.
kip the second you said "military grade" i groaned and rolled my eyes. ive been out of the navy for 5 years and i still feel the groan at term
The mark 14 torpedos had problems it either was due to 4 constant issues from how my Dad described it
1. The torpedo due to the magnetic exploder in it would malfunction causing it to detonate prematurely
2. would run 10 feet deeper then it was set
3. The contact exploder often failed causing the warhead to not detonate
4. The torpedo tended to run "circular" failing to straighten its run once set on its prescribed gyro-angle setting, and would instead run in a large circle thus returning to strike the ship that fired it.
"What was the issue with the Mark 14 torpedo?"
Bold of you to assume that there was just one issue, sweet summer Kip...
The US has either 9 or 11 carriers the rest of the countries with carriers added together have less than the us, and I believe it’s France as the only other country with nuclear powered
carriors maybe but there are a few countries with nuclear subs
11 FLEET carriers, we have another 9 serving with the USMC as "amphibious support ships"... but those are non-nuclear, and about the same size as the 2 Chinese, 1 English and 1 French "fleet carriers"... and half of those are significantly bigger than the one remaining Russian carrier.
The FAT ELECTRICIAN was a medic in the military. Imagine the ride to the hospital after getting wounded. Laughing probably had you hurting more then the bullet hole did.
I recommend Drachinifel’s video on the MK 14 torpedo for more context
11:10 Essentially the Torpedoes had a flawed calibration system that kept putting them at the wrong depth and sometimes put them off course and faulty Magnetic and Contact firing pin systems that either set it off prematurely or not at all. The Fleet itself would eventually start modifying their torpedoes to counter these issues before the committee pulled it's head out of it's ass to actually fix the issue from the drawing board onwards.
to put a simple answer to what was wrong with the Mark 14 Torpedo: YES.
Kip if you want to know why the Mark 14 torpedo was such crap do a reaction to: "The Mark 14 Torpedo - Failure is Like Onions" by Drachinifel. You will both learn and be infuriated with the many design/mechanical flaws of the torpedo as well as the hubris surrounding it.
The mark 14 had a magnetic fuse which could be set to proximity explode or contact explode. But the magnet was tested in the north Atlantic which has a different magnetic field than the pacific where the torpedoes were used which messed with the fuse. It also ran very fast causing it to jam and not explode or veer off course due to the magnetic distortion. It was also created during the great depression so funding was limited even more than pre depression isolationist America and the issues couldn’t be fixed thanks to the bureau of ordinance choosing to believe that everyone’s aim was bad and there was nothing wrong with the torpedoes they created
"Oh, fuck this! Helm! Drive me closer! I wish to hit them with my sword!" -Ramage after the torpedoes failed to detonate on that cargo ship (probably)
It’s easier to ask what wasn’t wrong with the Mk 14. Drachinfel has a video on them
Hey Kip! Please react to the USS TEXAS!!! Also the torpedo's were magnetic. So when the magnetic field got close to the ship. It blows up. Well the torps were blowing up too soon or wouldn't arm in time.
LONG LIVE THE MIGHTY TEXAS!!!
Does the Duty chief still wear the sherrifs badge?
The mk-14's issues were many, from being calibrated incorrectly at the factory by using a lighter dummy warhead to do the calibration and not an equal weight equivalent, this caused the torpedo to run deeper than expected. The torpedo's magnetic detonator would only work properly within the equatorial regions of the oceans since that's where the very very limited testing on them was done. The mechanical contact detonator also didn't work because it crushed too easily and was therefore unable to function correctly. Incidentally angled shots had slightly higher success because the detonator didn't take the full impact force and was thus allowed a chance to work before being destroyed
20:32 the how on that is actually not classified... modern US subs are nuclear powered, meaning what limits time at sea is food... subs generate fresh water using power from the reactor, same with oxygen... the humans needing food is literally the only limit
The cause was the hypersensitive magnetic exploder. It was being triggered by a combination of the Earth's magnetic field and the approach to a ship's hull.
Man your laugh is infectious. Trying to get to sleep but can't stop laughing! Keep it up my dude.
Another guy just popping in to recommend the Drachinifel Mark 14 video. This thing is IMPRESSIVELY bad on every level, to the point that it almost feels like it was intentionally crafted to be the worst possible weapon ever created! The vid is totally worth a watch!
3:44 USS MISSOURI!! I'm so happy Fat Electrician finally included this scene from battleship👍
whether it's a movie or real life, *old age and treachery truly is terrifying*
Ever since the original video came out, I've been checking Kips channel to see if he'd reacted to this, just to see his take on the ad gag.
So the committee that reduced the number of ships sunk got overturned in, I want to say the 60s, but basically a bunch of Japanese records of sunk shipping came in and the sunk or heavily damaged record was so close to what the crews reported that they basically went in and divided up the sunk and heavily damaged using the Japanese records to calibrate how many ships would go to each ship. The numbers the crews claimed and the Japanese confirmed was shockingly close
From what we can easily source, the *_Mark 14 torpedo_* had four major flaws.
• It tended to run about 10 feet (3 m) deeper than set.
• The magnetic exploder often caused premature detonation.
• The contact exploder often failed to detonate the warhead.
• It tended to run "circular", failing to straighten its run once set on its prescribed gyro-angle setting, and instead, to run in a large circle, thus returning to strike the firing ship.
If you are interested in modern subs, you should check out Smarter Every Day's Nuclear Submarine Deep Dive where he lives onboard a nuclear sub for about a week. He covers basically everything that someone can know about modern subs without violating opsec.
From what I’ve found out, the US by itself has 20 aircraft carriers (11 plane, 9 helo) including supercarriers like the USS Gerald R Ford (CVN-78). That’s *just* what is public.
In comparison, 2nd Place is China with 5 (2 plane, 3 helo) but I hear that at least two of them were casino ships that were converted to carriers.
As I understand it, the Kriegsmarine submarines patrolling in the atlantic would use the deck gun in situations where using one of the few torpedoes would be a waste. Granted, if all your torpedoes are shit, then the deck gun might just be your new best friend.
It is okay to not realize subs in that period had aft tubes because modern subs do not have those due to how they acquire targets and the fact that the aft is where the engine/nuclear reactor is, it just doesn't makes sense for them to have aft tubes. Basically anything after the cold war stopped having aft/stern torpedoes and even those only had 2 tubes rarely used, they mostly used the rear tube rooms for torpedo storage or to launch decoys.
16:18 in the event that you have a “mission commander” who’s not the actual unit’s commander, generally the unit commander is in charge of the unit’s personnel and movements, and the mission commander is more of an advisor/overseer to ensure that the objectives are met. This can be a problem though, because it requires both of them to be able to work together. It’ll turn into a real cluster f**k if they can’t.
The rear firing torpedoes was kind of a unique thing for the Americans. I do not believe the U-Boats or Japanese subs had them.
Depending on the variant the Germans absolutely had them, Japanese didn't.
The Dutch sub O-19 certainly did and if memory serves me the British U-Class had external tubes but no stern ones
@firestorm165 Thanks for not being rude and just correcting me. I was not sure if U boats did or not and I don't know much about the Dutch navy in WW2.
Get one of your service buddies to get you a bottle of military special whiskey and learn all about military grade
Oh that'll be an experience.
7:20 What do you mean, not legal? In WWI, surfacing and using their guns was the standard OP for subs, because the torpedos then weren't very good. In WWII, subs rarely surfaced to fight, because torpedos had gotten better.
More that torpedos were expensive and solo merchant shios weren't armed usually
As someone who works in optometry, I don't always check to see if the person changes eyes, so yes, this might actually works. >.>
There are 46 aircraft carriers in the world. The US on its own has 11 of them.
So the MK-XIV Torpedoes short summary
The Mark 14 torpedo had four major flaws. It tended to run about 10 feet (3 m) deeper than set. The magnetic exploder often caused premature detonation. The contact exploder often failed to detonate the warhead
There's at least one vid on all the flaws of the MK.14 by Drachinifel.
Military grade is weird in reality. Some stuff is pure crap (see HMMWV). Some stuff is not the best for the job, but tough as nails (see ALICE gear). Some stuff is literally the best that money can buy (see IOTVs and cold weather gear post 2005 or even boots that stay in great shape for 15 years).
Also, USGI magazines are typically the classic aluminum mags, but Magpul P3 magazines are also authorized and have their own NSN as well. They are moving to the P-Mags, but there are just so danged many USGI mags still in circulation that they will be in service for a good long while.
isn't the standard nato mag stanag? however you spell it.
@@cobraglatiator yes STANAG is the standard aluminum or stainless steel 30-round magazine. There are some firearms that CAN take the STANAG, but you can over insert the mag on reload so the Magpul P3s are good. Example being the HK416.
@@voraciousblackstn i see.
Here for Kip's laugh, and I know when he watches The Fat Electrician he's going to laugh.
Bro knew what he wanted😂
Military grade: things made by the lowest bidder with the cheapest materials.
If you see this, there’s not only 11 aircraft carriers in the world. The United States alone has 11.
Thanks for the clarification!
I had outdated information.
11:15 the naval history channel "Drachinifel" has a video specifically dedicated to the many, many failings of the Mark 14 torpedo and BuOrd's disgraceful handling of those failures. He also has videos on Admiral Lee and the Washington vs. Kirishima fight FTE mentioned. (and several on Pearl Harbor... and... look it's a good channel)
Edit: apparently a lot of other commenters here agree :)
8:40 FTE's second channel has a video on single-ply toilet paper, which is pretty close.
Ah, "military grade" equipment. The contract who was the cheapest and lowest bid, yet is somehow so much more expensive then those materials should ever cost.
Yes. I groaned when I heard military grade. Was Air Force for 12 years
Everything I hear about military grade from military personnel is summed up by this comment. I'm so sorry you all have to deal with military grade gear.
What was the issue with the Mk.14 torpedoes? Yes!
11:10 "what was wrong with the torpedo?" answer: YES
Military grade=the lowest bidder for whatever meets the requirements of the order. The military will reach out to Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, etc. with their requirements, if the cheapest bidder doesn't quite meet the requirements, they'll go with the second cheapest bidder.
Great reaction video kip
23:00 “I think there are like 10 or eleven max [Aircraft Carriers]”
Kip that’s not even the entire U.S. carrier fleet yet, Buddy
Though if you’re carrier counting the rest of the world has
U.K. - 2
France- 1 (small)
Italy- 2
Russia- 1*
India - 2
China- 2 with a third building
And then the U.S operates
- 11 nuclear super carriers
- 9 additional carriers that can launch helicopters and F-35s
I'm pretty sure the exact duration of a modern submarine's dive time is classified but the "basically until it's time to rotate crew" is a pretty open bragging point from like 30 years ago.
Currently there are 24 Carries operational in the world: 11 form the USA, 2 each in India, China, Italy, China and the UK ,1 each in France, Spain and Russia. And in WW2 the priority was first the CVs, then the BBs and then everything else.
Favorite reference to “military grade “ is that Coors Light is military grade beer. Yes the military has their own magazines and that’s why my company had an unofficial policy that your first gear purchase was a multi-tool and a 10 pack of Pmags.
Long story short the mk14 torpedo had a magnetic trigger that didn’t compensate for the difference in earths magnetic field, also never tested.
Thank you for this!
26:40 Yes, the US military uses their own proprietary magazines, which from what I can find, are exceptionally reliable.
Great story and the mad respect for Captain Ramage after the Medal of Honor story. I don’t like to assume caliber size but maybe a 6.5x47 lapua 😊
I believe the misses were due to a bad gyroscope design, duds due to fuses being shit. There were more but those are the main characters.
I knew this guy who worked with me, told me a story of when we was a cook on a sub, and one day these 2 guys he didn't recognize Pop up (Which was weird because they haven't surfaced) he explained to them that chow wasn't till 1300 and they basically talked him into giving them food before then. They were seals they jumped out of a plane, then drove down and entered the submarine through the torpedo tubes😅
Russia has AN aircraft carrier, and it's technically not even an aircraft carrier. It's also spent more time in drydock for repairs than it has at sea lol
Essentially, they went deeper than they were supposed to and would ignite prematurely, doing no damage. Many also failed to explode after igniting due to bad seals, which let seawater into the mixture.
Problems of the mk 14 Torpedo included but are not limited to.
- Runing way deper than the depth setings.
- Having a detonator spring thats to week.
- Having the detonator set at a 90° angle from the impact direction jaming it when impacting
- Having a nose cone to weak that it follds the detonator befire detoating.
- Isue with its control system etc.
Torpedos at that time did vear of course some times but the horid sucess lies mostly with the horific detonator design.
The Mk 14 didnt only neuter the effectiveness of the early submarine fleet, it also neutered the TBD Devastator, America's torpedo bomber in the first year of the war. This would lead the the Devastators being decimated during the war with little to no effective gains.
In regards to the Army's magazines we were issued the regular stanag aluminum mags. Almost everyone in my infantry unit went and bought magpul mags to use instead.
USMC now issues pmags.
@Knightblood1 that's awesome. I was in almost ten years ago, so the army might do it now, too.
China has 1 uk has 2 Russia has 1 usa has 11 aircraft carriers and 2 more countries have aircraft carriers but nice try kip great video
Ww2 subs did have rear-facing tubes... modern subs dont need them because modern torpedoes have full steering capabilities and full tracking and modern fire control computers can put torpedoes on the course needed.
Ww2 torpedoes were like unguided rockets: 1) they only work when fired near the surface, 2) you line up the leading shot and hope they run straight and true and hit their target. So having torpedoes in the back gave them 2 directions they can fire in, since killing things with torpedoes is literally their only job. Late in the war some torpedoes got some minor homing features, but it was very minimal.
Also regarding the subs themselves. Yes, on the surface they could do like 15 kts, but underwater more like 5-7 kts and maneuvering was chopped in half... they were still safer underwater, but far less able to move around. Modern subs are far more maneuverable underwater and can go just as fast as when on the surface. The main reason for this is nuclear power. Ww2 subs were diesel, and the only way for diesel to run is with air in amd exhaust out, thus snorkeling on or near the surface. Submerged they had to run on battery power which was a LOT less horsepower than the diesel engine. For the same reason, subs couldnt stay submerged for any long time as they ran outnof battery power and hadbto surface to run diesel to recharge batteries. Modern nuclear subs can stay submerged indefinitely, have better underwater capabilities, and have torpwdoes that can track their targets in any direction.
I could be wrong, but I think that little black toy on his couch is a .308. Not 100% on that though.
Was waiting on the one!!😂😂😂
The issue with the MK 14 Torpedo, was the MK 6 triggering system.
I was drinking root beer when he said "metal dix"... wow
Yeah modern day submarines hardly have to surface at all, and the whole thing is, now they basically only surface for one reason
Intimidation
If a United States nuclear submarine is on the surface and you see it, two things are certain
1. He did it on purpose, and WANTS you to see him
2. He is not alone, and neither are you.
To the point where they have a very predictable playbook
If you piss off the U.S. a nuclear powered, nuclear missile armed submarine will simply appear off your coast and sit there, on the surface, and just *wait*
When you notice it, it will sit there for a little longer, and then silently sink back below the waves and you will probably not find it again
Just saying my phone was advertised as military grade, after 7 year's not even the glass for my back camera has broken. No i don't use a case.
Every now and the it's not just a buzz word to get you to buy something. Military grade usually is tough as hell if it's priced about the same as something that's not labeled as such.
Mil grade toilet paper..... yeah he does a vid on that too. But i remember my unit admin mistaking accounting rolls for toilet paper rolls. While not as thin as the toilet paper the papercuts on the starfish were not plesent
As to the 4 patrol rule it's no longer there.
This is all public knowledge.
Being a submariner is a highly specific set of skills that takes some mental toughness.
The US uses nuclear powered subs and they no longer have the need to surface during a patrol.
Some of these patrols can be 6 months +. Their only limiting factor in food since they create their own O2 and water.
The US SSBN's ballistic missile submarines are the single most destructive and terrifying machines ever built. One can lay waste to a country. We have 14.
When you hear "military grdae" just think about that scene from Tommy Boy.... "it's a guaranteed piece of 💩"😂😂
So the mark 14 torpedo with it's issues, is like an onion, it has layers.
Down and dirty, basically a naval commission deemed the torps super expensive so they did no live fire tests, didn't figure out the detonator didn't do the detonation thing until they got sent to war, and then the committee tried to tell everyone the torps worked fine and that they didn't know how to fight with submarines
You asked what was wrong with the Mark-14? basically, EVERYTHING!
There was a old joke floating around that the Mark-14 torpedo was designed by Tojo it was that bad.
The U.S. alone has 11 super carriers and 9 Amphibious assault ships (essentially aircraft carriers as well)
Kip you were thinking of supercarriers when you were discussing total numbers. America has 11, China has 2 (though theyve had some structural problem last I heard), and Russia has 1 but it requires tugs to move. There are more carriers out there, but they carry far less ordinance and platforms than supercarriers. Matter of fact the Marines have theyre own dedicated aircraft carriers, and there are dedicated helicopter aircraft carriers as well. Long story short, there's a bunch of aircraft carriers and America basically owns all of them lol
So (I think) there's like 20 something carriers, pretty sure China Russia UK France and Australia (maybe) have carriers, but out of 20 - we have 11 or 12. It's crazy
No apology necessary Kip it’s one of those things where unless you looked up the pronunciation you’re probably not going to get it correct first try as for saying rampages rampage it’s honestly an easy to make mistake considering it’s literally a difference of 1 letter.
Nope. PMags are than standard issue mags. Even though the standard issue mag has improved.
The torpedos and bombs gunpowder degraded I think
“Military grade”=made by the lowest bidder and it’s the same system that will be used for 40 years. Nimitz class carriers still use the same machinery and electronics from the ‘60s
My vision is absolute dog shit. I was able to join the army