The tragic tale of this Warhammer model will bring a tear to the eye
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- Today we hold back tears to remember a classic model and its tragic fall from grace.
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Dreadnought warriors are hundreds or even thousands of years old and have faithfully served the imperium for centuries, without sleep, food or cigarette breaks. If their jobs aren't secure, no-one is safe.
Sleep is something they're allowed to do. In fact, sleep is something they are masters at, spending most of their time doing so, until they're called into battle, or some young marine needs their council.
99% of a dreadnought's time is spent snoozing
I dread to think of the aroma inside 😷
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No nerds allowed here in 40KTube, that’s for sure. Only quarterback megachads allowed.
This Dreadnought design will always be the best. Nothing else has matched it.
Those with heads are neat
I definitely prefer this clunky box look to the new stuff
@@_DeadEnd_ Besides the better scale, the older models are better - more characterful, more flavourful....less "ultramarine in different colours"
the dreadnaughts are modelled after the cute little droids from Silent Running, which I find an amusing bit of trivia.
Imposing, tragic, awesome
The single lascannon was a legacy option from the old Chuck, Eddie, and Fury dreadnought models from Rogue Trader
That explains it
The White Dwarf issue 100 dread rules, Space marine, eldar and ork dreads :)
I find it odd to see backwards compatibility like this in tabletop games, as I’m used to it in technology instead.
@@richardhockey8442 Also found in the Compendium (Red book)
I miss the banners on their tops
You know you can make some right?
@@paille-boy I understand why noone runs them, they're impractical for LoS, snap off any chance they have and a pain to detail but it was an aesthetic I miss from all tables flying those carpets.
The ironclad still comes with a banner
@@jc7997aj nah they’re not
@@jc7997aj what’s the deal with neck beards 💀
The boxdread, still one of my all time favourite models that GW has ever produced. There is just something about it, no matter its iteration, that appeals to me, far more so than any other dread variant.
It was the dreadnought in the first dawn of war cinematic that got me hooked on 40k.
Literally same
@@LordVader1094 Never ever thought I would stoop so low.... but..
Dreadnaught go brrrrrt...
Even in death I still surf
I remember reading a PC Gamer magazine covering DoW, and the picture of the Dreadnought sync killing an Ork just called to me
The metal Bjorn the Fell Handed holds pride of place in my collection as it was the model I purchased at the grand opening of the first Games Workshop store in Melbourne Australia. I don't collect Space Wolves at all anymore but Bjorn will always be there.
Bjorn is, was, and will be the best boi of my collection as well.
Mainly because in a massive battle with a few friends he chewed through a Bloodthirster, an Avatar and a few Ork Waaaghbosses without taking any damage.
I really admire your country. I feel sorry for the inflated prices you have to pay, though!
As someone who is very new to 40K I started my journey just last month with Dawn of War. Just a single Dreadnought was enough to turn to tide in those story missions and I could imagine on the field of battle seeing one arriving to the scene to lead the charge. If only I knew the tragedy of where they're at today sooner! Thank you Dreadnoughts for your unending service.
excellent game mate
i remember when my mother tried to warn my of the dreaded multimelta. "a measly 24" range S8 Ap1. What harm can that do?" i said laughing out loud. How naive i was :(
I started playing in third and it was absurd how bad these were compared to a T8 wraithlord. Shame they're being discontinued. They're iconic.
It was a joy watching my carnifex nuke dreads in both 2nd and 3rd ed
Bet they get a new plastic kit for Heresy
The castifarum dreadnought is dead, long live the castifarum (context: only standard dreadnought is being retired, the venerable dreadnought is staying and all standard dreadnoughts can be played as venerable dreadnoughts)
The Wraithlord of 3rd edition really showed that GW did not understand the value of toughness. It was a bit of a problem unit, and a lot of armies struggled with taking them down if someone decided to bring more than one.
That said, a ranged support dread wasn't half bad in 3rd edition. As someone who went to tournaments back in the days, I would regularly face armies that brought twin las + missile launcher dreads, and they would preform pretty well, even if they were by no means overpowered.
It is a shame that they went overboard with nerfing the multimelta and assault cannon though. I guess GW wanted to be on the safe side, after 2nd edition, and not create weapons that were quite so oppressive on the battlefield, but they went too far.
The wraithlord was strong but it didn't make the Dread weak. The WL was one of the few strongpoints of an overall fragile army, if you exclude vehicle shenanigans. You are also more vulnerable to stuff like neuro-gauntlets (but not poisons).
30+ year 40K veteran here. I gave up on 40K in 2017 because I couldn't stand the rules bloat. I 'regressed' back to 2nd Edition, and I'm loving it. With 3D printing technology being what it is, I've been able to kit out all my Marine dreadnoughts with every weapon option imaginable, and after so many years, finally have the dreadnoughts I've always wanted. 🤗
How do I convince my 20-something friend group that they should get into 2nd edition? I want to give it a try so badly!
New editions do have a good amount of rules bloat but 2nd always looked intimidating I mean it looks like it has way too many rules
10th might cut it down
@@D4RK_FL4M3That's every GW game before you get into it. 6th Ed WHFB is very rules lite but is still a large book
@@D4RK_FL4M3 It's actually not very bad at all. 3rd Edition was created to replace 2nd largely to streamline the game in order to field larger forces. If you keep the model count down to 4-5 squads and a handful of vehicles, 2nd Edition is quite easy to play.
I think another thing that makes the loss of the basic dreadnought so impactful for the community is that for so many of us it was our first bigger model kit that we bought. You just finished all of your tactical marines that either came in the 40K starter box or from just a 10 man kit and now you have the confidence to try your hand at something bigger with more details so you pick up the dreadnought, plus you thought it was the most badass looking model in the space marines outside of terminators.
I am going to miss the Box-Noughts. The Redemptors just don't have the same charm to me. I am sure that is a thick pair of Nostalgia Glasses, but seeing them come to life in games like Dawn of War and THQ Space Marine was just a joy.
As someone who doesn't even like space marines, I love box noughts, they are great, redemeptors look stupid, but at the same time like the person tried to make them not look stupid, box noughts are clear in that they are a clunky desighn, and it works for it because they are a clunky solution to a problem
@@calebbarnhouse496 a clunky solution to a clunky problem. 😁
It was the 2nd Ed Dreadnought that got me to play 40k. I still have him. Big metal lump that if you drop on your foot you will know about it!
and get lead poisoning too boot lol
I wonder how many people's introduction to the dreadnought was it ambushing two banshees with a Koolaid man entry through solid rock, snatching up the banshees with its power fists like they were made of paper, crushing the first and backhand slamming it into the rocks, and as it raises the remaining foe in its power fist it simply states
"I HAVE COME TO DESTROY YOU"
before unleashing the full fury of his heavy flamer point blank in the eldar's face.
What is this a reference to?
@@SportyMabamba its the Dawn of War 2 intro cinematic.
@@Slug99 ah thanks I didn’t play the 2nd one. Is it any good? Heard #3 was crap..
@@SportyMabamba it's good just nothing like the first.
It's almost more of an RPG, leveling up and equipping a handful of unique squads across many levels, rather than the large scale base building of the first.
If it wasn't DoW2 it would be very very popular. But it's just not what most of the fanbase wanted in a sequel, so it got a mixed reception... 3 is just an attempt to cash in on the moba craze and generally bad though.
@@AlanGChenery ah ok thanks for the info I think I’ll stick with DOW1 + expansions
ah yes, 2nd Edition, I remember it well, a time of in-depth rules which made sense, which was replaced by things like "that huge battle-cannon shell missed so... it doesn't explode!"
A favourite from that time was the rules for the Ork's Shock Attack Gun which had multiple damage charts depending on what you were shooting at... I'll never forget my Terminator Captain getting a Snottling imbedded in his leg and having to limp at half-speed for the rest of the battle!
(I converted him after the battle and gave him the bionic leg off of the Terminator Inquisitor model!)
Bravo for converting your T-Captain with bionic leg, it was the right thing to do!
The loss of the old Dreadnought has hit the community in such an unexpectedly hard way. No one cares about the sterngaurd veterans that much so their loss wasn't that big of a deal but the loss of the basic dreadnought has a kind of finality to it. Like even if most people didn't buy one for a very long time there was always this reassurance that it would be available to purchase if the mood ever struck you, but with it no longer available it now makes us unsure of what GW will put to chopping block next.
"...Sustained fire dice,...an average of 4.5 hits..."
It was supposed to be much higher for the pay off against a chance to jam for infantry.
This was raised at a Q&A at the only 2Ed tournament at WHW before 3ED was announced.
The question was asked as to why the average number of shots was so low, and the responder (Gav Thorpe) stated it wasn't, as the dice had two 3s, two 2s, a 1, and a jam.
This led to people taking out their dice to reveal that there were a lot of variations of sustained fire dice out in the wild!
Pretty much no one in the audience had dice marked up like this, only the WHW GW staff themselves. Some had a single 3, with most having both a single 3 and also a single 2! I still have mine, straight out of the 2ed box set, and that's what I had- average 1.5 hits per die.
The look on Gav's face (author of the upcoming 3Ed) indicated to me that this was going to lead to a whole change to the rulebook he'd just 'finished'...
intersting. Mine had one 3, two 2s, two 1s and jam. this would explain why storm bolters were so rubish as they are worse than two single bolt guns. with two 3s instead of two 1s they would hhave made much more sense.
This would explain a lot of things, but my god, the assault cannons would have been amazing
@@OldenDemon then I was playing in 2:ed and everyone thought assult cannons was a almost broken "to good" weapon. I gess we did use the good dice, and I was a big fan of shuriken catapults becuse Eldar Gardians butcher Space Marins with shuriken catapults.
Where can I find out more about this?
@@kirgan1000 Good point even with the "wrong" dice numbers they were a beast of a weapon. "Correct" numbers would also have made those lethal ork warbikes even more dangerous.
Your comment on "the ORIGINAL time of the horus heresy" hit me somewhere deep and emotional.
The powerfist got a tear attack against vehicles so it did have an advantage to being on a dreadnought
I have fond memories of my once mighty dreadnought collection. My very first dreadnought suffered from being the only armoured unit in my list, hence magnetically attracting every single anti-tank shot and falling in turn 1 or 2.
I had plastic versions, librarian and Grey Knight variants, multiple forgeworld kits, redemptors, 9 in total and all of them painted. But the dreadnought I was most proud of was a full metal Bjorn the Fellhanded. Even though it sucked in game, I fielded it in every single game I played with my Space Wolves. 😊
I had a bit of a thing for the Eldar dreadnoughts, I've ended up with about a dozen including a couple with mods for siege dreadnoughts form the Warhammer Siege rulebook
I needed this. The news they are discontinuing the classic Dreadnought was a bad day. End if an era.
My dad has like 7 dreadnoughts that haven’t seen use in like 30 years.
I wanna try get him to let me have his space marine army and bring it back to playing on board
Tell him the Emperor needs him. His time has come.
@@hangarrat Terra must be defended from the filthy xeno
That's too bad. I have been using two of the old models (one of them is all metal and weights over 100 lbs. (true story)) as Venerable Dreadnaughts. They are fun and they are good. The things can take a big volley from Eradicators and just trudge in and smash them. In a pair, they really do have a good effect.
@@whitemiasma5288 I refuse to believe you have a model that weighs more then the average teenager-
That thing would be 7 stone. I weigh 6 and a half stone. No fuckihg way there is a miniature that weighs more then me.
@@sarahshaw7315 Ah I'm just funning around. Those old metal Dreadnaughts, so fun to watch people that are "newer" handle it and not understand why it weighs so much. They refuse to believe that it is all pewter. Had to pin it to the base to prevent it from snapping off all the time.
Gosh i forgot how much i love the old box colors and paint jobs, really brought the memories back of going to hobby shops with my dad. I started in 3rd edition, never got to see dreadnoughts be that strong. Thanks for a wonderful video
Same here
I’m quite certain 2ED Dreadnought power fists did have a superpower. They got a bonus to vehicle damage results due to their ability to twist and rip sheet metal, I think.
Also the twin lascannon could more precisely pick out specific locations on a vehicle, which perhaps isn’t as effective as getting more than twice as many hits, but still helpful, and came with extra range over the ubiquitous AC.
You are right. I forgot
Your poem at the end was the icing on the cake! Well done!
I love them.
The 37 points to equip a dread with the lightning claw and heavy flamer was so worth it, clones of bjorn
I quit 2nd edition and only returned recently........I love stuff from this era so much! This dreadnaught and the now discontinued plastic version is the coolest dread design by far
Such poetry, such beautiful for a beautiful model. 👏 👏 👏
Having more or less played since the end RT, these are pure soul. The new models can only hope to have so much love poured into their sculpts and are instead soulless CAD designs, made by committee, instead of passionate artists.
I mean the new contemptor is sick though, just being so poseable and the fact you can magnetize the shit out of it really easily. Sure it's a bit more spartan in design than the old boxnaught but then that's the 30k aesthetic. Just a shame the more characterful legion specific ones have gone the way the boxnaught is due to go :(
@@sonicwingnut I loke the Contemptor as well, both Resin and Plastic versions. Although I find Neizsmiths version absolute kino.
@@sonicwingnutcontemptors look too humanoid. The boxnaught gives you the sense that the marine has been turned into an ED-209 style death machine.
@@theylivewesleep.5139 If we're going down that route then the Leviathan is the boy, although for maximum ED-209 vibes I saw someone recently on a heresy group had converted the oldschool Space Crusade dread into a Deredeo and it looked amazing.
@@sonicwingnut leviathans also have that humanoid aspect. It doesn’t compare to a walking tomb.
Ah, I still remember my old Furioso absolutely terrorising the 2nd edition battlefields of the mid 90's. Heady days.
I remember getting that starter box for 3rd for my birthday in high school.
Such nostalgia in a few pictures! I remember my friend Steve Sands getting his Dark Angel's Dreadnought featured in White Dwarf
Even in death, he still surfs
YT algorithm brought me here, but the video presentation and narration style got my subscription. Love the channel!
That 1990s battle report animation made me nostalgic.
I started the hobby at the end of 2nd Edition.
I started (and ended) in 2nd edition, so I'm saddened to learn the fate of one of my fave units.
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL!
I will say, Dread's are back to being absolute monsters in Heresy.
I started at 3rd. The dreadnought was the first model I bought after getting the box set; I didn’t care about the tabletop, I just loved that model! ❤
Damn the image you chose for this just gave me a nostalgia hit of epic propotions
I still have my 2nd Ed Bjorn the Fell Handed. I still play him in games! I did the kit to make a quad Las Canon dreadnought, but actually my kitbashed 5 man Las Canon Long Fangs squad is pretty good value.
regular dreadnoughts were pretty good in 8th and 9th when the multi-melta got much better (2 shots that could take out heavy infantry or vehicles or monsters) and they were cheap and damage resistant. My Chaos dreadnought hasn't been this happy since 6th ed(?) when 3 teleporting dreadnoughts (helbrutes) was an option
They're also pretty good in 5/6/7th. It does need to be within 12 inches to be useful, but when it was it's one of the most deadly anti-tank weapons in the game.
Assault cannons also got back the rending rule, although still only heavy 4
@@impguardwarhamer in those editions, at that range, I preferred close combat instead of a one shot multi-melta. I think the assault cannon never recovered and the twin heavy bolter has been a better option since 3rd edition but the melta and assault cannon were at least pretty good and not awful
@@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber 5th edition Grey Knight Dreadnoughts with their... "holy ammunition" or so, do not remember the name, that granted +1 strength... were always fielded 3 times in most tournament rosters with 2 twin auto cannons, resulting in 8 shots s8 on 48" range.
@@richardpagel6959 did they also have the 'very shiny don't shoot me' rule, or was that 4th edition?
The peak of futuristic space mech design is a dead man in a box with legs, you cant convince me otherwise
I was given an original metal Venerable dreadnought and by god I could break diamond with this thing, I always bring it to the table and somehow it being made of metal let it survive the deadliest weapons from the newest factions
Mine too! It is always great fun to hand it to someone and see their reaction to it's putting them off balance.
Love the simple but effective animations Subbed!
The best dreadnought is the one with dual hurricane bolters. It doesn't exist but it seems like it would be a really cool idea
Still have my 2nd edition BA Furioso with a multimelta. I recently picked up miniature painting again as a hobby (haven't painted since late 90s) and stripped my 2nd edition miniatures so not to add *another* layer of paint. Sadly I don't have my old citadel paints anymore but painting again felt good.
Really enjoying these! Amongst other things, I think your writing is really sharp. Great work!
Thank you sir
Another fantastic vid! Luckily we still have 2ed❤️🙏
I had one of these inb1996
It was soooo heavy. It hardly stayed together. The legs to body and the arms. Would get so glued together.
The feels 😭
This is the youtube content i crave
So sad that minus modifiers and armour values are not a thing anymore...
The sheer mass of the old metal model also added to their intimidating presence. The satisfying thump it made when you set it down on the table. The very real threat of it tipping over and damaging your opponents models (the 2nd edition boxes didnt include a base). And gods help you if you tried to carjack someone who had one of these with them.
Those old WD battle reports maps on the thumbnail were so good…
This is exactly what I'm planning on doing. I'm going to build a Blood Angels army, all firstborn. Starting off with a tac squad, substituting a couple of those Space marine heroes blind buy guys as tac marines so i can kitbash a lieutenant and captain out of the tac squad, then painting death company and devastators alongside kitbashing a techmarine. Using a sanguinary priest as an apothecary, and rounding the force out with those shiny new terminators, a rhino, and a furioso and venereable dread respectively. Long live Firstborn Marines!!!
i got like 5 of the old tin models, they are around 25 years old. they still serve till this day.
loved the video dude, you've really put me in the mood for learning to play 2nd edition, i started near the end of 5th, i've always wanted to try the "fluffier" editions of 40k
Another great video mate! I’ve been trying to get my hands an old boxdread for a while.
Some serious nostalgia in this video
My assault cannon / twin heavy bolter shreadnaught was the best thing in my 2nd Ed marine army. Man that thing killed a lot of stuff. Also, loved the bit on the old multi-melta.
Thank you 😢
Great video ❤
I still have my metal bjorn the fell handed dreadnought and it's still one of my favourite models, i love how heavy it is too
I started playing RT in 87. 2nd really up'd the games playability.
The dread was king however it was the cost of a dread that limited its use in games not the desire of players to play them.
It cost a lot of money to buy one, and you could have a terminator squad for that much money...
They really were the good ol days of gaming though, 3rd killed so many things.
Biggest victim was the terminators armour save.
I cried at the end thank you
Great video sir!
I used to used my Dark Angels Dreadnought in every battle. The thing was unkillable. I once had a two on one battle fighting against a Chaos marine army and a traitor guard tank company and my Dread almost singlehandedly won the game. He killed a hellhound, two Leman Russ tanks, and put the final shot into a deamon prince, all while being dead centre in the board and being shot at by nearly the whole tank army. Eventually the Dreadnought was immobilized, and lost its missile launcher, but it survived, still firing till the end of the game. The guard player wad furious that he couldn't kill it.
"Even in death, i still surf!"
I still have that metal Ultramarine dreadnought, btw. My kids arw so used to plastic models, when I handed it to 'em the reaction was pricelss. And I was waiting coiled to spring into action in case it got dropped - as much to save someone getting a broken foot as the model breaking, which with this guy would just mean beding a banner back straight or gluing an arm back on
You are speaking deeply to my soul with this channel... right down to the pork pies and scotch eggs!!
I loved these weapons loadouts. I always enjoyed poring over the Titan weapons available in the original Epic: Space Marine. There were so many cool weapons there....
I have my 5 Dreads from the times of 2nd and 3rd edition. And yes they only have stadard loatouts, cause i did not know to modify metal at that time
Another great video! I still love my old dreadnoughts!
The ironclad dreadnought was the second model I bought when I started playing 40k, I have had a deep love for all dreadnoughts and that lament at the end was unfairly playing with my emotions sir.
Enjoyed this, well done :)
was always way above what i could aford as trainee
I took my old Ultramarine Dreadnought out for a spin in a HH game not long ago. A long with a bunch of other RT era old hammer space marines. It felt really good.
Great video! I remember being disappointed at how unremarkable the Dreadnaughts were in Epic. And then yes... A few years later they were unremarkable in 40 K too.
Ok this old style icons and hit markers send me right back to my first ever battle report, inside my first ever White Dwarf, wityh the titan imperator on the cover.
I miss these, when the WD was more than just a glorified catalog of new stuff.
I believe the reason for arming with a single lascannon was simply a WYSIWYG nod to some Rogue Trader era Dreadnought models which were only armed with a single lascannon (or equivalent energy weapon. One of them had a conversion beam disrupter).
Is it possible to feel nostalgic for something that died 2 years before you were born and never got to interact with?
Im loving this channel. This older view of warhammer a focus on things I recognize from Dawn Of War and my ancient White Dwarf compendium
Good to know I have reached a “newer” audience than I anticipated
As an avid oldhammer player of 2004hammer, I can confirm that Dreadnoughts are in fact horrifying to face in 3rd and 4th edition. They hit with the force of a railgun and most troops can't hurt them once they're in combat. And they can wade through area terrain with no fear of getting stuck.
10/10 would use an Elites choice for
In 2nd edition, a buddy of mine would always bring his dreadnought. I did not have one of these. But what I did have was a Blood Angels Captain with a jump pack and power fist. I would leap at the dreadnought, charge it, and somehow roll lucky enough to strike the sarcophagus and rip the dude out of it. That was one way of dealing with them, apparently.
That’ll do it
This was great !!! Nostalgia overload!
Thanks for your lament to Dreadnoughts. They were great! May the Emperor Protect !
My new Space Marine army will definitely have all the back banners they deserve, Primaris or Firstborn, doesn't matter.
Ironic that I got an ad opening with “praise the price rises…” when I am watching gw centric content 😂
The fallen shall be remembered as the Emperor's finest
I like 3rd but we can all agree that 2nd has janky but charming rules that make it special.
Loved this era of 40k (though I also enjoyed Rogue Trader) and the Dreadnaught was one of my favorite models. I still have my beaky Chaos Dread, but my marines have one from 3rd Ed, with the cadaverous marine peaking out the top of the sarcophagus. So much fun :)
I’m a Grey Knights main player, so I can only use the little box dreads. I love mine and use them very often.
My era. Big up Jes Goodwin.
back in the days when the grim darkness of the far future was gloriously painted in bright colours
A marine Dread almost always defeated any Titans in HTH … it was funny and sad to see the little guy bring down a Giant!!
Nothing was more examplary for 40K than the heavy metal 2nd ed Dreadnought.
Also? Powerfist had its nifty tear attack, allowing it to mess up Tanks better.
This video is absolutely amazing. I love your content. Please make more and keep them coming. You are inspiring!! I have an old dread. He’s waiting patiently for me to paint him in howling griffons colours!
Thank you, more are coming
My favorite “ here deal with this” model back in the day. Never relied on him to win the day, but oh boy did he hold up good portions of the enemy army if I played him well.
I love this model. I got into 40k in the RT era. Second edition was my thing and I drifted away late in the third. I still have all my old school metal dreads, several kit bashed with alternate weapons.
This was also the time when kitbashing was critical. The Land Raider was out of production for years so we would make them out of Leman Russ kits.