The Legion of the Damned are HIDING something
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The Legion of the Damned do have a Legends sheet, Damned Legionnaires. It is in with the Agents of the Imperium Legends
I know because I included them in my video on how Sisters of Battle Celestians didn't get a sheet but others did
You beat me to it, took me ages to find them
Well there you go. I really should get these scripts edited before I record them
it happens, I wouldn't worry.
Usually I just pin a comment that gives the solution
They're not much to write home about but it won't stop me annoying my locals with them
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Came here for Legion of the Damned lore; ended up learning that the Catachan Barking Toad wasn't made up by TTS.
TTS had to invent very little, 40K is just so full of very silly things.
That part about John Blanche, bikes and butterfly effect is brilliant. Totally correct. Our decisions echo through eternity.
This is what i love about 40k lore. You can dig and dig, and quite often whatever two metaphorical shards of pottery you find can fit together and hold some water. I love this theory. And because of this, GW would smack it down in favour of something more dull.
Without stories like these, the pushpin-string-and-corkboard industry would be dead. Thanks for keeping us alive and entertained!
I can confirm that Warrington exists and is located as described. I was at that store opening and purchased the spectral primaris lieutenant.
Cracking work, boss. Filmdeg (a proud Chaos Dwarfs Online member) did us all big favours with the interviews he's done.
Yes, he is great
You're both too kind! I just figure if I have the means and capability of providing these vids I should do them :)
@@Filmdegminiatures I think it's important to capture the history while we still can, and you did wonders with Blanche in particular compared to what guys like Wade were able to get out of him via official channels.
I assume that the Legion of the Damned are the Emperor's Daemons; a sign that the Emperor is starting to stir in his slumber (with the Emperor's disembodied spirit tethered in the Warp and soaking up the psychic energy of the faith of humanity). But, then, my favourite quote in 40k comes from the Inquisitor rulebook, "Everything you know is a lie..."
Thanks for another great video. 💀👍
I think they also showed up for the battle of the webway at the end of the heresy but I can’t remember off the top of my head.
@@cyitain9856whell of memery serves at one point the emporor literally summons the ghost of farus manus to battle for him. So I would not be surprised
Heresy! Wheres the doggo! We can't ophold of the word of the great tube-emperor without the doogo!
16:16
Nobody wants to talk about the Inquisition Wars by Ian Watson. Until we have an honest discussion about those books everything is up for grabs.
I would say that Big E’s body isn’t just a corpse with physic residue but a holy relic that acts as the most stable conduit of his godly powers.
The Mark Gibbons Dark Angel art on that White Dwarf really takes me back to being a kid. Were it not for Mark Gibbons, I might not have got into Warhammer at all, it was his iconic Skaven art that hooked me in.
Sergeant Centurius is the only 40k mini I still have. Somewhere. In a box in the garage. When he was finally released, a friend of mine and I went out to our local store (Brighton) and got there before it opened, and we *still* weren't the first people in line. There was a big swarm to the 40k wall, and I managed to snag two, one for me and one for my friend who managed to get trampled and shoved into the Gorkamorka table. Ah, memories.
I wish I'd kept him in the blister pack, though, he'd probably be worth a fortune by now.
This is very similar to my headcanon on the Legion's origins, with the big added bonus of learning about the dead Emperor theory! Well put together and fun, I'll be sure to check some other videos on this channel.
One addition, if you like: if I remember correctly, there is an old story called "Animus Malorum", which implies Centurius is actively recruiting new members into the legion among the marines they help out. And, if my memory doesn't betray me, in that story it's also revealed that Centurius uses to be a veteran in the Fire Hawks' 1st Company and his (presumably empty) tomb lies somewhere on a shrine world. Neat stuff, I hope it's still available on Black Library's site.
Never expected my home town of Warrington to ever be mentioned in a Warhammer 40k vid, but here we are. Been in that shop an awful lot in my time. Unfortunately it is now shut, I'm sad to say. Great work as always!
This was hugely entertaining. Brilliant. It must have taken you ages to bring all that lore together in a coherent yet mad genius way! Absolutely wonderful.😊
This was a fun alternative to the previous content you’ve made.
Interesting video but lacks dachshunds.
There was one. How many do I need to meet the threshold?
@@OldenDemon ..... 6?
Joking aside I just liked the idea of a talking dashund that loves warhammer but I guess I need to come to the realisation that you are probably an actual human person.....
@@UnwittingSweater "Probably"
I, for one, think the old lore about the Legion of the Damned being infected with a warp virus the least compelling one. For starters, it sucks any mystery out, by giving them a "logical"/"scientific" explanation. For another, it's an explanation that means there's inherently a limited shelf life for the Legion of the Damned, because they're all dying and cannot be replaced. Even setting aside Warp time nonsense, they'll only ever get weaker. That's lame.
I much prefer to just say "The Legion of the Damned are ghosts" and leave it at that. If for no other reason than I think 40K could use more ghosts. "Nighthaunt, But In Space" would be a sick concept for an army. But that's besides the point.
Best LotD deep dive on YT. Well done sir. Thoroughly enjoyed. I hope that with such a strong following GW do release new LotD models and rules for 10th or 11th edition
We have a GW store, on the Gold Coast - Australia, just called "Warhammer". It is in Broadbeach. It is very rarely open (like, hours of 10am-2pm), it can't possibly be a GW store, yet there it is.
It's like a Terry Pratchett style "old book shop". Possibly full of magical artifacts or passages through L-space. I haven't ever had time in or out of work to visit it, but I'm almost sure it won't be open for business even during those hours (unless you're of the right cult or etc, then your handshake will open the door to wonders unseen).
11:33 - Ah, I'd almost forgotten about those creepers...
Awesome deep dive on the topic, and I have to say that I adore the vibe that all the videos on this channel have.
You mentioned you’d like some input and thoughts on this format so: This was a really cool deep dive into lore, but I think the older format of video is better than this. I feel the voice circle thingy took from the flow, and made it feel more like a podcast (still something I would definitely listen to) whereas normally your videos engage me personally with the visual gags and audio references to them, and the fantastic images you find from the books. This was still a great video though! Perhaps there’s a new format of deep dive audio only lore exploring (which could forgo a large amount of images in favour for referenced content and more fantastic descriptions) while also continuing with the humour filled dog vids ☺️
I agree with all of this
This
I also agree with all of this too
To be honest I had the idea of the equaliser when I realised I had 20 mins of audio of fill on a unit that has less than 10 painted models and two pieces of artwork. Then I forgot to add the second piece of artwork.
@@OldenDemon I mean, we’re nitpicking here, it was a great video and I loved it
Aaaand subbed. What a nostalgia-filled trip down memory lane these videos have been and the humour 10/10.
I love the editing. But it is a bit hectic to read the text under the logo and listen at the same time.
Also, the sound is peaking a lot. Try recording with a lower input volume and add a maximizer or compressor after (but keep the compression on the low side). Keep these videos up, they are amazing to watch! Thank you for making them.
“Except in the Public Sector” had be spit my drink out with immediate laughter, bravo sir!
Great video! I loved that John Blanche revelation, it ties back to the irony of 40k’s setting & the way it was written in the late 80’s & early 90’s. Something I heartily agree with & think we’ve lost a lot of the dark irony and gallows humour about the Imperium that existed before. The very idea that the Emperor is just a corpse in a vat that is just a psychic beacon is brilliant. The Imperium will at all costs expend every single ounce of violence, energy and effort to protect and not anyone ‘look behind the curtain’ and discover the ultimate dark truth is just perfect.
I agree it butefule and perfect. That's why I have fallen in love with some of the really old stories in the blood angels omnibus collection. Just that old darkness to it in the unemaginalble deps of a spacehullk or the sewers of a manuftoreum.
A robed figure killing a tech adept who has seen too much could be a Custos wanting to protect the secret of the Emperor's death.
It could be anyone anywhere in the Imperium.
Loved it!
I was actually gripped to this video and had a chuckle at your attempt to pronounce Lught Huron's name 😂. Great video as always!
I’m pressing buttons to make the numbers go up. Also, all these old white dwarf covers you show, makes me reminisce about how many I used to own before getting rid of them 😢
I didn't know that the Emperor is supposed to be really dead this whole time. I hope they run with that in the future when the Astronomican finally goes out, and don't forget about the whole Sensei and Star Child business.
Noe this is some deep deep lore. Congrats!
Awesome pacing.
This was super cool, mate, would love to see more!
This was a lot of fun, pulled together some threads to make a theory I hadnt heard before and exceedingly entertaining as always!
Oldhammer 40K was the best. Since Primaris it's been too commercial. It always was a bit silly but the new silly is just unforgivable.
The issue is it's gone from precisely the right kind of silly to precisely the wrong kind of silly.
From a story perspective I feel like primarus WERE foreshadowed. But they really didn't have to. Suddenly show up in their thousands out of nowhere.
As far as the models go... They are arguably a little nicer to work with. But we all know we would prefer the old pewter.
What I think is super fucked is the pricing. In a world where you can print them infinitely with a 300 dollar machine paying hundreds for just one box that may not even have the parts you want is crappy.
And I swear to God they must be making the paint out of angel piss and demon tears judging by the price.
At least the books aren't ruined ...
Yet.
It was designed to be silly in the 90s and people took it seriously. Modern warhammer is designed to be serious and people think it’s silly.
Really love this channel. Been watching since the first video and hope it keeps growing
Wow, that got deep……….
I appreciate the episode, would give 10/10 if it had more dogs.
Outstanding content. You're making me want to dust off my old Codices and reread them.
Just needs more sausages please.
Gotta say this is one of the more in depth vids ive seen on TLotD. Great work!
this is the lore i'm up for, like an archivist and an archaeologist having a discussion over too much amasec and spicy lho sticks.
Great video, nice to see the Legion getting some love. Fought them many times in 2nd edition
I've really been enjoying your videos. Back in 2nd grade my teacher brought in his old early 100's issues of White Dwarf and I was enthralled by them. Having maintained an interest more in the lore and the books than the wargame, I do still watch the occasional battle report as spooned up by the algorithm. So I discovered you through the early battle report retellings, which are great and nostalgic, and are why I subscribed, certainly.
However, I must say also very much enjoyed this deep dive. The Legion of the Damned are a lore and chapter I am entirely unfamiliar with, and your method of introduction and comprehensive education on the subject was a delight. Your humour, visual presentation and story telling abilities benefit you in this video, along with your previous work. I look forward to your next video, no matter the subject, with baited breath.
Cheers!
Thank you very much. The response to this has given me the ok to explore other styles of videos
Modern Lore effectively retconned the “dead emperor” hypothesis, since Guilliman actively “spoke” to him.
Don’t you worry, I can fix that.
The new lore of the legion of the damned make them horror stories. They are daemons of the emperor, the true angels of death of all space marines who died in his light
Oooo, mysterious. The Legion of the Damned have always been one of those neat things that I hope GW will keep ambiguous. It makes them more fun.
Yeah the lost Legions and how nobody knows anything about the Alpha Legion are so much fun.
Im so glad you brought up the fact nobody knows if the Emperor is still alive. That's one of my least favorite fluff changes over time
I went at that store for that event and I got the poster with certificate, and I got the model! Sadly it was stolen
The 25% off vouchers for store openings did a lot of work for me in the 90s. Dad, can you drive me to, er... York please?
This is an absolutely awesome video and I'm 100% here for more like it.
So deep! Great work like always mate 🍻
You can't beat a bit of Legion of the damned! love it. What's coming next?
The Black Rage only exists because the Blood Angels are dumb enough to ingest their dieing Primarch’s blood and their Omophagea extracts his memories, giving them ptsd just waiting to be triggered into a flashback of that fateful final battle on Horus’s battlebarge.
Awsome… so great narrative 👏.
I want more ! Well done 👍
when was the Greater Catachan Barking Toad retconned away?
I thought they were just not mentioned anymore which is different to retcon (and the lesser barking toads used to explode with a blast marker)
IIRC, the Catachan Barking Toad was mentioned in a white Dwarf article for Catachan Jungle Fighters in 3rd edition and even had rules.
This was great. I’d love more videos like this.
Keep up the amazing work!!
I'd love for you to dig further. There's so much more lore for the Legion of the Damned out there. The way you've managed to piece together these decade-spanning lore fragments is impressive, and you might be able to figure out the Legion of the Damned once and for all!
Station forge is gonna have me printing a legion of the damned combat patrol... this video is well timed.
Aaah, the Socratis Doom Reapers 😅
this is a really really cool, very well done video!
My personal headcannon was that the Legion of the Damned are the ghosts of the betrayed Astartes who died on Istvaan III and V, since the Legion of the Damned are referenced in the HH.
Also, the problem with the Dead Emperor theory is that Guilliman recently had a conversation with the Emperor on Terra. If you can go and have a conversation with this disembodied spirit's corpse, is it really a disembodied spirit?
20 MIN OF OLDENHAMMER GOODNESS, THE EMPEROR HAS BLESSED US
How good is this channel dude
My dude. LotD is my favorite thing in all of 40k (RT/2E era guy) an your video is probably one of my all time favorites! Carry on brother! 🤘🔥💀
Awesome stuff! And thanks for the shoutout! :)
Oh snap, I remember reading that text box. I haven't thought about it for years.
Really enjoyable video with great jokes. The service studs on the skull have a very suspicious pattern...
The idea of the Emperor being functionally brain dead at this point really fits with my favourite conception of the Imperium: a civilisation in decline that has no real idea of how most of it's technology works and only the most unreliable ideas of it's own history.
It's one of the reasons why I'm not a huge fan of the primarchs coming back: I liked all the myths and prophecies of the primarchs coming back 'at the end times' (/whatever) but only as religious myth that is likely never going to happen, and having the primarchs actually turn up also serves to solidify some of the historical myths of the Imperium.
Also not a fan of the history and reality of the Emperor being overly fleshed out (with the lore about perpetuals and such). It would be better for all the stories about the Emperor to be at least plausibly myth.
That being said, the only thing I've bought from GW in twenty years is a Space Marine Pop Funko figure, so it probably doesn't matter what I think, just as long as the setting as it exists today is still capturing the imagination of those playing it.
I wasn't a huge fan of the Primarchs coming back either. But I've mostly made peace with it based on the depiction of Guilleman generally being ultra-depressed about the absolute state of the place being pretty well handled.
Warrington is indeed between Manchester and Liverpool. As we need to tell people daily 😂 was also home to ikea’s first U.K. store.
Just going to toss in that "the Golden Throne Hungers" is an event from 989.M36 where they had to quadruple the number of psykers they feed the Astronomicon.
That sounds like it’s in a rulebook somewhere? I suppose that could also be taken as a sign he is still alive and just requires feeding to produce magic tricks.
@@OldenDemon 6th Ed core rulebook is where I saw it. It could also mean he is dead and they need four times the psykers to make up for his.output when he was alive.
A very good dive into the Legion Of The Damned.
Amazing stuff, as ever!
GW needs to make a flaming headless Ferrus Manus.
I've just been well and truly outnerded here... 😅
Great stuff!! 😎
Great video, subbed
Mind=blown. That short story with the tech-adept always stayed with me too...
Just found this channel love it
You missed one.
in the Heresy novel Master of Mankind The Emperor gets off his golden toilet for a bit to fight off the horde of Chaos in his knock off web way. His custodies are out numbered so the big E pulls another power out of his back pocket and summons what looks very much like the Legion, lead by a giant of Primarch size.
It's heavily hinted that they are the dead of those betrayed on Istvaan (including ol' Ferrus Manus himself!) summoned from the warp to seek revenge.
It's entirely possible that the Legion from M31 is still around, at least in the warp. Possessing the Fire Hawks (and other lost Chapters), as demons must, to interact in the "real" Universe.
Then again this is also my pet theory as Ferrus can come back!
-Vulkan- Ferrus lives... Stomp.
Well done! 👍
I don't know how interesting this would be, but a video about the changing size of the space marines in the lore over time. Opportunities for some tongue in cheek jabs, while also a chance to talk about their evolution.
😮great video, subscribed!
Man, you're making me nostalgic talking about old white dwarfs and how it was harder to get 40k Lore. It made the Warhammer very esoteric when very few people knew about it back in the day and we had to resort to white dwarf and Codexes for lore bits
This was a time where you had to fill in the gaps on Lore and think for yourself a little bit. Over the last couple decades it seems so many people demanded answers that now we're just being spoon fed
Sadly that seems to be a problem with a lot of Media nowadays. Because a lot of new people to these story's just don't now how or refuse to engage in theater of the mind, and demand to have the story explained to them instead of having to peas it together by yourself or with frnds and coming to there own conclusions and interpretation of the story.
But the first appearance of the LotD according to their codex in 6th edition happened in 006.M40, which is far before the disappearance of the Fire Hawks.
I was working off the original idea from them in the 90's. I'm going to chalk those attacks down down to either the time effects of the warp, a writer confused about the timeline or an abandoned attempt to retcon their origin story
I saw a very accurate lore video about the Barking Toad of Catachan, Vulkan booped the snoot
"Why do people live here!"
Corvis Corax, Primarch of the Raven Guard.
11:55 - to be fair, 112 is pretty young for someone at the top of the Imperium hierarchy. 🤷🏻♂️
great video tons of hidden lore gems!
Now this is the kind of theorycraft I like!
Painting flame is a PITA.
Which is a shame. Because I want this army.
Great video, really enjoyed trying to wrangle decades of conflicting lore into one narrative, excellent work! 😅
19:15 Emancipated corpses? I guess that probably works in 40k :D
Excellent work. :)
Nice analysis, I like it.
Think I have my Centurius model somewhere as he survived the warp storm that was my partner making me sell a shed load of 40k stuff many years ago
Amazing stuff!
Maybe Emps has bitten the dust, but so what? Death isn't the handicap it used to be in the olden days, it doesn't screw your career up like it used to.
Only question is how does this fit in with the new lore like Godblight where the Emperor possesses Guilliman
Sucks because I never got a hint of legion of the damned.
FINALLY!!!! BY THE GOLDEN LIGHT OF THE CARRION LORD!!!!!!! Thank you for giving references and source material. Many of us have been waiting for a channel that shares where the original lore lays. Excellent and studious work. AVE GLORIA IMPERATOR GALACTICA.
That story in issue 195 has been bugging me since I was a kid! It makes so much sense now.
top work as always
Awesome got me thinking