Last Week in Star Trek with Tom and Ben
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This is very quickly becoming my favourite series on youtube. I know it will probably be ages but I can't wait to see tom talk about ds9, everything from the wacky s1 episodes to episodes like in the pale moonlight
He said he probably isn't going to watch the other series' which is a shame :(
@@Meerkat040 I thought he said he will, just not right away, Ben wouldn't let him miss out on the best star trek show
@@jamietus1012 Ahh well my mistake if Im wrong but couldve sworn he said to Harry that he wouldn't.
@@Meerkat040 would be a Shane because DS9 may be more up his alley
@@Meerkat040 He said he might but he needs to have a break from any star trek stuff.
The Inner Light is by far my favourite Star Trek episode but I thought Tom's description to Harry was very funny
Despite Tom saying "Of course he's alive" about the end of Best of Both worlds (Part 1), they were actually considering having Riker take over the show since they hadn't confirmed Stewart's contract going forward. So it was a real possibility that he would have been killed off.
Hindsight is perfect
A lot of these complaints are "Seinfeld Isn't Funny".
Honestly the episode where Picard was literally tortured and given ptsd was way better acted. Was also funny that he's completely fine like 3 minutes later
The O'Brien episode in DS9 was infinitely better than the flute man. O'Brien actually goes crazy and thinks he's a horrible monster even though it was all a computer simulation of him being in prison for 20 years. Of course it gets ignored in later episodes, but at least it tries...
I was thinking about that one (the one were they gaslight him) it is funny how he got very seriously mental fucked, maybe even being compromised, but the next episode doesn’t even address it
I love that episode especially because Riker is such a little dick head and the replacement captain totally calls him on it.
Although I do hate it that when they totally do need Riker he's just a smug asshole all over again.
I will say this:
Darmok was in my fuckin' sociology class. I think Tom does undersell it a *little* heh.
One of my favourite episodes is where a less developed civilization thinks Picard is a god.
Because Picards reaction is the best when he really gets cross with the people seeing him as a god.
I think something a lot of fans of older sci fi like Star Trek struggle to accept is that while they had a lot of great episodes and introduced the average person to a lot of interesting concepts it’s almost inevitable that those concepts have been done better since then
That's called the Seinfeld effect. At the time it was a pioneer concept, blazing the trail. But since it's been further refined modern watchers see it as a cliche or underwhelming. A lot of modern sitcoms owe a lot to the Seinfeld show, but since the concepts have been iterated on so much, it doesn't feel original anymore.
@@kitolzthe only thing ive seen be completely immune to this is Dune bc its concepts havent been done better by any other media
@@ling_zip Chosen one, space empire, psychic powers in a sci-fi setting, definitely hasn't been done better anywere else, suuure...
@@dermathze700 I'm curious what you think did a better job with those ideas than Dune? I don't necessarily disagree I just can't think of anything myself
@@lilyeves892 I haven't read the books, so I can only speak for the original and the new Dune movie, but I personally prefer the Force in Star Wars to the powers in Dune, and the Empire in Warhammer 40k to the one in Dune. Again, only from what I've seen in the movies, and I know a lot more about Star Wars then Dune. I generally don't like chosen ones at all, but if have to pick, probably Avatar? Since being the Avatar isn't tied to a specific prophecy, but one single person still has a grand duty and get's granted the powers to follow it, in their own way.
All in all, maybe it's just that people hyped up Dune for years online, but when I saw the movies I just thought "Yeah, it's ok.", but I don't know.
DS9 does the live a life in your head in 5 seconds plot line too in one of emotionally torturing Chief O'Brien episodes and it's pretty good
I really hope Tom doesn't decide to censor himself regarding how he speaks about star trek. That's like half the fun of these chats
My only disappointment is they clicked on a screenrant link.
SR is garbage.
@@ArlanKels the Pitch Meetings Ryan George died on Screen Rant are pretty good though.
38:29 Reg would never be able to look Data in the eye again.
tom talkin shit about stuff always makes my day
I just realized we will eventually get to hear Tom's reaction to Masks. That will be something.
Masaka is waking!
I actually kinda like Masks. It's totally bonkers and terrible but kinda fun. Absolutely higher up than Troi's mother and ghost sex episode.
@@gajbooks Or Cusher’s grandma and ghost sex
I'm curious how the popularity of the flute episode increased after family guy referenced the episode 11 years ago.
SHOW ME PICARD’S FLUTE!!!
I love most of TNG and I also really appreciate Tom's breakdown of the episodes, when I next rewatch it will definitely have me laughing when this commentary will pop into my head.
34:37 and then Molly basically doesn't age during the entire 7 seasons of DS9.
“Careful Ben, the Pakleds are listening” 🤣
Not everyone has the same tastes, let my boy Tom like what Star Trek episodes he likes, and not like what episodes he doesn’t like.
these are great btw, thanks for editing for us
Tom doesn't get that the star trek comunity is the league of legends of TV shows
Let's do the Tom Warp again
I would listen to the Tom Reviews TNG Podcast.
I'd love to see Tom tackle Stargate SG-1.
It's so Star Trek'y in overall design(Exploration, cultures, commentary on shit), but set in modern times so we also get things like government dickbags/etc.
Plus guaranteed action~
To be fair, Tom did the flute episode quite a disservice by how he summed it up to barry.
It's a nice episode, both in the concept and in it's execution, and "yeah he just plays a flute the entire time" is quite unfair.
But also to be fair, it's not the best of star trek, nor the best of TV, so comments overreacted a lot there.
On another note:
I liked the premise of measure of a man, but not the execution. The episode very much frustrated and infuriated me even when I watched it as a kid, because it was inconceivable that any system of justice could be that dysfunctional and arbitrary (I only learned about what courts are like in the US many years later, and was even more disheartened than by this episode) ESPECIALLY given that the federation is supposedly a futuristic utopia.
Ye it's one of my favorite episodes but I always found it odd, data was always treated as a sentient being in the show prior to that episode. Especially given the fact he's got a pretty high rank in starfleet
@@lilyeves892 yeah, that would be like giving the ships computer a rank, they gave him a rank so it's already sort of implied that he should have the same rights (including human rights) as any other with that rank.
If the transporter auto tailors for you it really does make Garak more of a tragic character, all he's got is his tailors shop and he doesn't even really like it
After listening to them talk about the holodeck episode with Data. I was just thinking well Tom sure needs watch The Orville episode with the virus that is downloaded from porn on the holodeck.
I'd love to see his reaction to Ship in a Bottle. That one is actually my favorite. I recognize that that's at least partially nostalgia. But it's just fun.
Also I really enjoyed Cause and Effect. I haven't seen the Red Dwarf episode though. Also, I feel like Ben would love Redshirts by John Scalzi. And Tom would love making fun of Redshirts by John Scalzi
Tom likes paklads, someone tell him to watch season 1 and 2 of lower decks.
I miss this series. I wanna see Tom and Ben talk more Trek
Tom needs to watch Eureka, that show has alot more of the weird / fun episode ideas than TNG does
Or Warehouse 13
Eureka, Farscape, Warehouse 13, Stargate SG-1
All pretty fun shows. Librarians too, has a similar feel to Warehouse 13.
Leverage if you love Heist movies and also social commentary.
@@ArlanKels I've enjoyed all of those, though I've not yet seen farscape and Librarians or Leverage, will have to check those out.
Meat man the machine 😂
I can't wait for Tom to watch Star Trek Nemesis and see Data's performance of Blue Skies
Them talking about their clothes fitting perfectly while literally looking at an image of them all wearing completely oversized clothes... okay so the picture isn't great but you can clearly see Ro's sleeves are massively too long
Tom and Ben can talk about nearly anything and make it interesting.
I want Tom and Ben to do this for Farscape!
Flute episode PALES in comparison to Chain of Command 1 & 2. Patrick Stewart sells being tortured by the Cardassian’s and also it really shows you the nitty gritty of the politics Star Fleet has do deal with.
I love Tom and Ben, but I know nothing about Star Trek 😅
People go into space, wear funny uniforms, use big science words and then pontificate
There. You're up to speed (warp five, in fact)
@@travishimebaugh8381 Thank you for the lore, now I can follow along.
More specifically, they point TV remotes at things, walk down halls talking, and pass through A LOT of sliding doors.
quality content grazie
Inner Light is in my top 5 TNG episodes, but it's definitely nowhere near the best episode (In my opinion, either 'I, Borg' or 'The Measure of A Man'.) or the best episode of all of television.
Tom... you have to watch the last episode of season 1 of Lower Deck. Trust me. It has everything you love and hate in it. Lol.
I'm with him. I saw that episode early this year and was SURE that had to be one of the worst rated episodes of all time. Was speechless when I saw the reviews of it.
Holy shit, same with that fucking Darmok episode. It felt like a 10 minute part of an episode they stretched into an entire episodes slot.
I hate these obnoxious Star Trek fans ruining it for Tom, the ENTIRE POINT of Star Trek is how inclusive it is to everyone, and anyone can find something they like about it, there’s no such thing as a perfect episode of anything
What show is Tom going to watch next? I'd like to see his take on Farscape or SG1
Pretty sure he's watched both of those so you're probably out of luck.
The real best episode of TV is the Black Adder Goes Forth Finale. Discuss!
Now I wanna know Tom's opinion about Luxwana Troi and Patrick Stewart's awkward af acting
9.5/10. 6k votes. The stats doesn't lie. BAM! Tom loves the Pakleds because he has the Star Trek taste of one. Tom smart TV watcher!
I don't have a clue what they are talking about.
Honestly if you were deaged would you not just choose to stay young? Oh your a child for a few years but then your like in your prime!
i mean, love these guys, and this "series" especially, but it is a bit weird to shit on pioneering innovators pretty much mostly just because they've been imitated so many times and influenced art so pervasively that the original premise feels overdone to you decades later.....) but at least they def still appreciate plenty of them, and it's always beautiful to watch a complete virgin explore such a fundamental masterpiece for the first time and see such wildly removed perspectives.....)
I'm the only one stuck in 360p quality?
same here
It is still processing, it will be 1080p :D
@@yogsclips Yep, 10 minutes later I recharged and went to 1080!
You know it's funny, for the first segment I think both of them are just off the mark completely, best episode of tv is not a good leg to stand on.... But there is also the fact that Tom is a self confessed emotionless golem and so the buildup for it is more gradual, whereas he likes the upfront in your faceness of the Rick and Morty version while most enjoy the more subtle realization and somber air that Picard gives
Tl Dr, Comments overblow thing but Tom also has the emotion comprehension of a potted plant
Inner Light is overrated and Tom is correct in recognizing that.
I think tom ran into the problem of watching the series too fast and not over years.
Don't see why that'd be a problem for an episodic show when almost everything is wrapped up in a single episode.
first
Thank fuck Tom did not cave and held his ground on the most overrated Episode in Star trek, perhaps the most overrated Episode of all of television.
Ben nailed it with saying it's a good episode, but it's not even the best TNG episode.