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I Bought new wheels for my *MK1 Cooper S!* But i need to your help!
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2020
- Finally bought some genuine S wheels!
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Hello mate, back in the day they were fitted with Dunlop C41 crossplys and wheels came sprayed in old english white, i use to work at the Cooper Car Co in Surbiton in 1966 good luck with such a little gem Geoff
Thanks Geoff! If you see anything on my car thats not right please do let me know?
If you get them powder coated and the thickness is more than a painted finish you may have trouble getting the hub caps on. Just something to be aware of if the hub caps are already tight to get on with a painted finish.Worth testing how tight the caps are before sending the wheels off for refurb. It's going to look great with them fitted.
Man those hub caps are a nightmare to get off on my van..... This explains why! Thanks Grahame
That was wheely interesting 👍😆
Dad jokes on point.
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Firstly you are quite right about the 4.5J wheels, with the ventilation holes, they're the proper ones, they should also have the BMC part number on starting AHT. However I'm afraid that from there onwards you are incorrect. Those 4.5Js weren't options they were standard equipment for ALL Cooper S's. The smaller 3.5 wheels were fitted on all normal Coopers and standard Minis, this is why the Heratige certificate doesn't mention them, they do however list all factory fitted extras, mine even lists the locking fuel cap. Don't know if you're aware of this but this is why the rear brake drums have the built-in spacer to accommodate the wheels offset, whatch this if you have to replace them. If you want the wheels to look "right" spray paint them. Don't think that you would like the original tyres on early Mk1 cars, they were xplys! All were Dunlop.
I hope that this will be of help, I remember and was involved with the Cooper S right from their launch in 1963. Keep up with the good work.
Thanks Tony! I knew coopers had the 3.5j didn't know the coopers had them standard! Will certainly mention that in a future video
Early S had 3.5 wheels as standard with 4.5 option..later S went standard 4.5 all S wheels had vent holes, where as 3.5 cooper wheels did not have vent holes.
Nick
@@nickwardley9668 thanks Nick i knew they were an option at some point in time
@@nickwardley9668 Sorry but I must disagree with you, I'm still convinced that ALL S's had 4.5 inch wheels, that is why they're got the built-in spacer in the rear drums, mine certainly did. It was an original 1071cc one that I bought new in 1963. So you can't get a much earlier one than that. I use to work in the BMC competition department and never came across an S with those smaller wheels. They were fitted to all normal Coopers though. Suppose that they could have been on some preproduction ones but that's all. Don't know where your information came from, mine was from my memory which I suppose could have faded and from personal experience with my car.
However the car in question is a 1275 model, a late Mk1 so all this is irrelevant in this case. All of these later cars definitely had 4.5 wheels. As I said before that's why they're not listed on the Heratige certificate.
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Look at the 3.5 S rims one this original car
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Probably too late but ! Pirelli Cinturato were definitely in production at this time .Dunlop had just introduced Dunlop SP41 radial as well as the C41 (crossply) . I well recall seeing a Cooper "S" cruised into our village wearing 4 .5 inch rims ,and thin white wall Pirelli 's in Old English White over Almond Green .It looked super cool ! That was back in 1965. And l think the majority have voted 2-pack ! Good choice ! Sadly , l don't have enough knowledge to aid you with the correct part numbers regarding the wheels. The new steering wheel is killer! Take care and stay safe. Oh! Nearly forgot the tread pattern on the Brockley is virtually identical to Goodyear G800 of the time . However , it's stamped Brockley so purists would not be impressed.
Thanks John! Appreciate it
I have a set of LP918's for my MK1 997 cooper which if I'm not mistaken were manufactured by Dunlop as an after market upgrade to the standard rim and sold through the dealerships. The LP883 have a deeper dish and will only fit a genuine Cooper S without fouling the inner wing because of the wider track. Personally I would opt for a hard wearing coach enamel in Old English White with Dunlop tyres. A genuine early Cooper S should also have metal chrome wheel arch and sill trims which is rare to see these days as most were replaced with the plastic crap over the years. Good luck and keep up with the great videos
Thanks Steve appreciate the feedback and information 👍
Powder coat is a tougher finish and you will see orange peel in the finish, whilst spraying them you will be able to remove any orange peel. I would spray them as the finish will look better.
Perfect thanks Sasha
We shot blasted and powder coated our wheels on one of our projects and after a few years, the rust started coming through on the edges. Our next set we shot blasted and sprayed...we figured it would be easier to touch up chips etc and easier/cheaper to redo at a later date
Thanks Peter, seems to be powdercoating isn't the best way
details are never boring.. good info...
Ibp9ge details and hopefully people find it interesting
Good choice! Fit 145's to them wheels you got there, after you had them painted with proper paint of the liquid stuff! No powdercoating! 4,5"makes more sence as its a 1275 S' 👍👍👍👍
To my knowledge no mini had reverse rims fitted from factory.
Only ever seen 4,5" reverse rims, but havent seen them all...
Cooper 997/998 had the standard 3,5" wheels that was fitted to just about anything mini, Van's Pickup's the lot.
Vinko thanks alot mate 👍
I had a set of those wheels back in the early 80's. Sad I sold them, but used them for 2 years and made money on them.
As to paint, I dip striped them, and then sprayed them with etch primer, and steel wheel grey, with two coats of clear.
As to tyres, 145/10 would be as close as you would have got back in the day. Yes, they would have had a crossply, but radials were starting to come in, so the Dunlop option would look right. 165/70x10 is too wide for the day.
Thanks Gavin, seems to be Dunlops are the favourite
Hi Alex
Well, sprayed paint was original, and will be more durable as well as looking right. The primer is important - a professionally- applied etch primer is critical. As regards tyres, in period the Dunlop aquajet was the quality fitment, but there was a Uniroyal which was half the price but nearly as good. I remember buying them in 1971 for my dad’s car, but can’t remember the spec, sorry!
Cheers, Will
Thanks Will, the dunlops seems to be the one so far
I would have the wheels vaper blasted it won't damage the surface and is the perfect key to then have them sprayed 👍
Vaper blasting seems to be a great option
Hi Alex.
I haven't read down all the comments yet so you've probably already seen this, but although I don't know for sure what standard tyre fitment was, I know that at least 95% of BMC/BL/Rover cars came with Dunlops from the factory. As the ones you mentioned are plentiful and always get a good write up, it's probably best to go for them if you can't find a reliable source for the originals.
Also, I was waiting 6 minutes to see that wheel nearly fall off the table hahahahaha
Thanks mate 👌i think dunlops will certainly be the tyre
You’ve got me thinking I’d better go outside and check mine now Alex. Re the tyres, I think they were Dunlop 145/10. The reproduction ones are probably the same as small trailer wheels that have the 9 holes drilled into them. I used to work at a powder coating place, most of the parts were for the military & reading through the comments I noticed that chipping is being discussed. It shouldn’t chip if it’s applied correctly, we had to do random “hammer” tests & personally I never managed to chip the powder. I’d go for media blasting rather than shot, it shouldn’t erase the numbers on the rim, if they’re well stamped into the steel. As for matching O/E white, it will have a British Standards code, just like powder coat.
Nice find by the way 👍.
Thanks Geof, that's interesting to know about the powdercoating
Enjoyed this video as I went through a similar process with my own S wheels for the 66' S I am restoring. The originals were too pitted after bead blasting to ever really look great again so I bought a set of replicas from Mini Sport. On mine the edge is identical to the originals and with the hubcap on you can't see any difference but there are other subtle differences besides not having the number. The humped boss area around where the studs pass through is much smaller on the replicas, the way they are welded together is a bit different and the centre hole is a much cleaner pressing than on the originals. From past experience I would go with paint rather than powder coat and yours should be OEW as all mk1 wheels were, silver didn't come until the mk2's appeared. I drove a 60's S in the 70's and used Dunlop(SP?) until I could get Michelin XAS and never looked back! Strictly speaking that would not be period for 1966 though. You do a really good job with your videos. Cheers, Ted!
I’d say zinc spray then powder coat personally Toony! I’m guessing you won’t be driving the car too much on salty roads but even modern wheel paint finishes will rust quicker than the aforementioned coating. Cheers mate loving the videos.
Zinc primer is a must 👌
Good score with those wheels, they'll really look the business! As for paint i've personally had better results with spraying my paint rather than powdercoating.. spraying (rattle can) is much cheaper, easier to get the desired finish on the stamps and much easier to touch up if necessary👍
Certainly be being painted mate i think
They is a place at bicester heritage that specialise in classic car tryes definitely worth a look
Thanks Jon i will have a look!
Take it from me through experience, powder coating is not the answer.I now always use 2-pack and in your case, they look best Old English White as original , not stark white, and the creamy colour looks best with Tweed Grey.As you have said, powder coating will fail as the nuts are tightened and fail at the edges eventually .The original fitment I think were Dunlop SPs but doubt they are still available but replica in period ones must be available from Vintage Tyre Supplies.
Thanks Roger appreciate it will take a look
Nice find getting those S wheels! I'd spray them personally, I was able to get a surprisingly decent finish doing it myself with some rattle cans on my own set of LP883's, just make sure the surface is thoroughly prepped and you use enough layers (or maybe just get it done professionally!). My dad actually had some quality issues with the finish on his MGB's wire wheels when he got them powdercoated, he ended up having those sprayed instead and they looked much better.
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mad wheels bro.... nice find!!
They would have been sprayed finish originally....... also, powder coat chips and then peels off, especially around the wheel nuts....
I would have them sprayed, that way you can touch them up if you chip them......
Definitely mate! I agree
From a prevention of corrosion point of view I would go with powder coating every time.
Thanks Phil
Another thing to about spray or powdercoat, in case of a smal chip or damage, spraypaint you can easily repair, powdercoat you can not.
Thanks Rob appreciate it
Alex, my suggestion would be to paint the restored wheel rather than power coat. Which ever way you decide I know you will have ithe mini looking smic!
Definitely being painted mate
I,m old school,paint every time as factory finish,as I remember all Cooper S wheels from 60,s 70,s were painted a light cream .
Definitely will be painting them mate
@@classicminidetails8887 Good Decision Alex fyi I served my time on mainly mini,s if you know anyone with an auto g.box I have some maintenance Docs I will forward foc from 1973 just to preserve them.
Dave Germaney Dave could you email them to me mate? Alex.toon@outlook.com
However you finish them I think they'll look great.
Every time I see your van I remember my mother's circa 73. She learned to drive in it. She then bought a mini as her second car and my father stripped everything he could from it as spares before selling the rest to the" travelling community" (back in Ireland).
I wonder why my interest in cars didn't kick in then, I was 10 then and just so much into bicycles maybe but I do regret not getting more involved but as a ten year old then your parents didn't really consider you in any decisions. Not my worst car regret though......in 1993 I went to London with £6k in my pocket to buy a Lancia Delta Integrale. It was being sold by a Ferrari dealership and had been traded in. I remember looking around it and finding it perfect. I took massive cold feet thinking about running costs and walked away. I'd need £30k to buy similar condition car now.
If only we knew how much prices would increase! Classics are always a good buy if you pay the right price for them
@@classicminidetails8887 That's probably why I've held on to my Alfa 145 for so long. I've had it for 10 years now. However, with a current fleet of five cars it hasn't got much attention till this year. It is, as they say an appreciating classic but I'm not sure if I'll ever get back the money I've spent on it, and that's probably the reason why I still have it. Amazing car to drive, the feedback through the bulkhead and the sound is wonderful when you give it some.
From experience, i would spray them, but after blasting use a rust converter in the little corners where the hub plate is welded? As i've seen the dreaded brown stuff creeping in after 12 months or so
Thanks Dean, yes they need hammering in Kurust
As per usual here’s gobby I personally would have gone for a 5.5j x10” deep dish rim that would just give it the perfect stance with a sporty style with out loosing its authenticity of a bang on cooper s that’s my penny’s worth I’ll respect any thing you choose to do after all it’s your motor bruv all the best
I love the reverse rims mate not going to lie but with it being a mk1 S i have to keep it original
Classic Mini Details Absolutely
Absolutely correct, they would look great!
The paint will chip. No ifs or buts it will chip. I’ve found Powder coating will give a much better finish and it’ll be way more durable. If anyone says they’re not genuines because you can’t see the numbers. Just show them this video they’ll believe you then
Always handy to have the videos mate 😉
My bad, missed this. Lovely car and just don't want you to be mislead.
No problem mate! Watching it back I can see how you got confused
@@classicminidetails8887 Yokohama GT Special Classic Y350
Just had my s rims powder coated and they look very nice but, the coating did not take well in the inner seam area where the vent holes are located, you might have better luck than me at the coaters, if you want an original look then cellulose paint would be the way to go. Just out of interest who was the supplying dealer for you car?
all the best 👍
Hi mate, certainly think i am going to paint them. I purchased the car through a private sale mate
@@classicminidetails8887 Sorry should have said the supplying dealer on the heritage certificate ,my car was supplied by Stewart and Ardern.
I think the pros/cons of paint/powder coat are irrelevant; as you're making the effort to find original spec wheels and tyres, it makes sense to have the wheels finished in the original way too - most likely old english white paint.
Thanks Andy, yes i think its best to spray themn
I run LP883 on my car as in my picture. Old English white to match my roof running 32R tyres
Hi Alex, have they glass bead blasted, and either painted or colour matched powder coated, the powder coating is much more durable than the painted wheels. Either way colour match and use dunlop tires. I had a van same as yours but it was painted metallic brown by a previous owner
Dunlops seems to be everyones recommendation
Classic Mini Details I'm not sure how powder coating in done in Great Britain but over here, we use two coats of primer followed by colour coats and either gloss or matte clear coats, each coat individually baked at high heat. That may be why people are saying your powder coating is less durable than paint. Also powder coating, like paint comes in various blends, some are more durable than others. If you choose paint make sure it is done on a paint booth and baked as well. Then leave it to out gas for a week before you use it. Do not use cheap rattle cans. You can get epoxy paint put in spray cans that you activate ate the time you use it and it with last for a matter of hours before it is trash but it is very durable. Also use rust converter anywhere the wheels are welded rust will appear anywhere you cant get with the bead blaster. I switched to aluminum wheels early on and sold my steelies to buy more needed parts.
I don't know about make and model of tyre but I do know that they were fitted with 145-10 radials after 1964, if you want a guess I'm going to say Dunlop as there were also some alloys of the time called Dunlop D1's for Mini's.....but you being a geek you'll already know that 😂
Dunlops are probably the closest mate, i have a few weeks to do my research on them while i get the wheels painted
Lol , geek. Gud un
@@classicminidetails8887 Dunlop SP's have come into my head but I don't know why haha! I'm going to have to do a Google.....I'm as bad as you 😂
@@classicminidetails8887 I've had a look mate and I'm sure these are the tyres and will save you many hours on google.
www.longstonetyres.co.uk/145sr10-dunlop-sp-sport-aquajet.html#:~:text=145R10%20Tyres&text=The%20Overall%20Diameter%20of%20the,(0)%201302%20711%20123.
There are 4 different code's for old English White so be careful.👍
Thanks Paul, i have the Ral for my car so will match them too it
i have a set of lp918 had them powder coated look good but they chip easy i had lead balancing weights on outside of rim to look more original that also chipped powder coat
No way! I wouldn't expect that from a weight
@@classicminidetails8887 yeh they did when he hammered them on rims il send you photos
should look great with the cooper rims most rims will have a date stamp on the inside of the band telling year and month they were made
when i had my old 850 mk1 in 1977 i had 2 widened rims on the rear they were 6" with standard tyres stretched across them the cop on a bike one night did like them so he give me a defect notice lol
Will have a look at those mate see when they were done
Id paint them as you know because if you scratch/chip them is an easier repair lol
Its certainly looking that way mate
I'd go for 2 pack epoxy. Powder coat looks great but chips too easily. It isn't as hardwearing as people think!
Your exactly right!
My 1964 mini had 145x10 Michelin ZX
i've some reverse rims and they are 4 1/2j
Vintage tyres probably dunlop
Certainly looking that way mate
can your mate do a 10x6 revo tyre change ? thanks
Where are you based in the uk mate
Classic Mini Details Manchester
I'm sure someone out there will know the answer, you must keep it original. #itstheonlyway.
100% Ron
Luvin your new wheels Toonster. Are yer rose petals for sale PMSL
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If find out the tyres were crossply's I wouldn't bother! Radials would of been quite rare in 65
Heard mixed opinions on cross plys
@@classicminidetails8887 Yeah they will last you for ever, or until you crash in the rain. There crap!
@@classicminidetails8887 I'd imagine the original tyres would of been a British make such as Dunlop or Avon!
@@MyJon64 I use to sell them, secondhand in the 60s/70s . I always remember the minis having crossply tyres on then. It's along time ago ,so they could have done radials too.. 5.20- 10 rings a bell.
@@PeterSmith-ls7ut you never went back to Crossply's after you had experienced driving on Radials. Had an Morris 1300 at the time.
Probably in the minority, but I would leave alloys on. 👍
The alloys will almost certainly look better mate but i am very tempted to go 100% original
Classic Mini Details each to there own, obviously following the van refurb. It was always on the cards. Great vids mate, keep up the good work. 👍
Barry Ford thanks Barry appreciate the continued support 👍
ok now ship the rose pedals to Rhodes greece. hahahaha
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When are you getting Radford mini?
Never!
@@classicminidetails8887 minideville is what leyland should have made,mind you Radford superficially nice but some details ,wiring and no paint under bonnet (mechanics only ,not the customer) left a lot to be desired.
Most Cooper s wheels ( from Memory were 4 1/2 J reverse)
Thanks Tony
Just normal 4.5Js
@@classicminidetails8887 reverse rims are only 3.5inch ? the rim is reversed on the centre to bring the offset out to keep the wheel in line with the body as with the standard 3.5s on drums alround
Not reversed just normal 4.5J sections. BMC never provided reversed rims they were only ever an aftermarket fitment.