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Top 10 NBA Power Forwards of All Time
We're continuing our rankings of the top 10 NBA players at each position and today, we're ranking the top 10 power forwards in NBA history, Make sure you also watch our top 10 point guards video, top 10 shooting guards video, and top 10 small forwards video.
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"At 6'8" and 230 pounds, you wouldn't think Jerry Lucas would even be able to compete in the NBA."
What? What the hell kind of statement is that.
Lucas was making shots from well beyond what is now before the 3 point line on a regular basis. Imagine if all those shots got him 3 points. He was a great rebounder and player.
Mlm
I was thinking that same thing when she said it. Plus Larry Bird was not a power forward, he was a small forward. Some of the people need to do their homework.
I replayed tha part twice to make sure I heard Correctly.
EASILY. That's Tim for ya. He's probably in the Top 5 greatest players in the last 25 years.
Easily
Top 5 ever.
@@benjaminan1183 Facts, his lack of flash & drama .. won't gain him the acknowledgement tho.
@@benjaminan1183 Drama queens,diva's and players with stats that were cancers to their teams with less or no rings will get the Nod first.
I.E James Harden
Paul Pierce & Chris Paul
They also played Flashier positions.
Yes one of them or he plays forward fine or strong too and the outside and etc knows.
My list:
1) Tim Duncan
2) everyone else
Tim Duncan was a center
Rodman is also best PF and he have a great defensive play
Amen!
@@louielapitan2706 Dennis Rodman was very selfish rebounder but legendary defender, great rebounder too
@@lloydkline3265 and also a great power forward
Tim Duncan is a great team player, modest, and all about winning Championships. Great basketball mind. He'd be my top PF to build a team around.
Tim Duncan #1 PF ever to play the game!!🔥
5 NBA championship rings
2 Time NBA MVP
3 Time FINALS MVP
Camelot Bass Boys He played 19 seasons and 9 as a PF.
He played it because of David Robinson was center and his speed.
3 seasons after David Robinson and not finding a good replacement Tim Duncan as switched to center.
Camelot Bass Boys he's not a PF, he is a center
Charles Barkley is number 1
Shaq was a better PF than Timmy.
Celio CBB nope draymond is way better.
Tim Duncan at #1. Good choice, especially since he's assistant coach now in 2019 with his beloved Spurs and great mentor Gregg Popovich. No doubt that Tim will one day be head coach for the Spurs and win another championship.
😊 yes that's pretty much our plan. I see your paying attention. 😊
whats tim doing now
Imagine if Dirk had Steve Nash remain with him. It would be one of the greatest whatifs in NBA history.
Tim Duncan is my favorite player after the dream and Larry legend. The guy had the last quadruple double Since the admiral .
True. Even though the stat keeper robbed him of it😠
Hakeem the Dream Olajuwon 🐐
My all time starting 5: Duncan, Bird, Hakeem, Johnson and Jordan.
Bird,Duncan,Shaq,Maravich,Jordan
He seems better than Larry. Larry was a better shooter, but Duncan was a better defender, rebounder and in the post, and as good a passer.
Malone: It's closer than you think (compare to Duncan)
Duncan: Obvious No. 1 and it's not even close.
lol, consistency pls.
Ice Sickle no he wasn’t
@@garotron84 Yes, Duncan was a center/forward. Actually, he was really a center playing PF due to the luxury of playing with David Robinson. Honestly, Malone was probably a better basketball player. It's almost an apples/oranges comparison. Duncan was better in the post due to having a greater wingspan, and also a better shot blocker - due to having a greater wingspan. Malone was a better passer, better shooter and better defender … ran the court better, etc.. It's just that you get a better result with a better post scorer; at least in that era.
And Lamarcus Aldridge
Dirk is over Duncan
@Ice Sickle DUNCAN WAS NO CENTER. HE WAS A POWER FORWARD DAVID ROBINSON WAS SPURS CENTER RASHO NESTERVIC WAS THE OTHER CENTER AFTER DAVID RETIRED AND THE LAST YEAR DUNCAN WON CHAMPIONSHIP TIAGO SPLITER WAS STARTING CENTER. TIM DUNCAN MOVE TO CENTER THE LAST 2 YEARS OF HIS 20 YEAR CAREER BECAUSE ALDRIGE WAS AT HIS PRIME AND DUNCAN WAS ALREADY ON HIS WAY OUT.
I love this. "we made a video debating if Malone was better than Duncan and even though he's not its closer than you think" after about 15-20 seconds "Tim Duncan is our #1 choice and its not even close" well is it close or not? WTF
lol ikr
it's closer than you think, but not that close lmfao
From this we must conclude that "it's closer than you think" and "not even close" are the same here. Therefore, what "we think" must be really really far from close.
Don't think Admiral made any AS teams after TD joined. Maybe 1. TP9 made 6 and Gino made 2. While TD had more good players around him, Malone had one superb player, and the one who fed him the ball on the PnR. Would be interesting, but I bet TD was assisted on a lower % of his FG's than was Malone, meaning TD had to do it himself. You can make a case that Malone was a better offensive player (although I wouldn't). The rings and the D overwhelm any argument for Malone, though, IMO.
+C. L. Turner Based on trophies and accomplishments, yes, Duncan is the best PF ever. But if we were allowed to dream about a Fantasy Basketball league where I can pick players from any era and make the best possible team ever, I'm picking Karl Malone over Tim Duncan any day and that's not even a close decision. Karl Malone was better individually, as well as more consistent and durable.
Duncan had better teammates around him, players good enough to get carried by Duncan to get rings. Malone had Stockton yes, but the rest of that Utah team, besides Hornacek and Carr, was terrible. It's just like the OKC Thunder right now with 2 elites and a bunch of below-average players around them, not much they can do.
I’m glad you mentioned some of the old school players-Schayes, Lucas, Petit. Some old school honorable mentions-Maurice Lucas and Gus Johnson.
Glad someone else remembers Mo Lucas and Gus Johnson. But I completely forgot just how great Jerry L. was in his prime. In the three-point era, he would have been a monster.
i wouldnt put them on my list but they come close to my list
i love tim duncan and charles barkley, i watched karl malone out play them all as an old man. gotta give it to the mailman, no rings but was a beast, scored, passed, rebounded, ran floor, developed a hook shot late and that drop step fade away was unstoppable. even the arrogant shaq said so. UNSTOPPABLE ! and for so long 19 years!
Totally agree ✅
So happy Duncan is #1
Yup
Maybe he is smiling
Agreed☑️
Rodman needs honorable mention
Honorable mention, but he's not in the top 10.
Alan Koslowski nah he’s in top 10
@@Onlyreal23
He couldn't score and wasn't much of a passer either. Someone _entirely deficient_ in *two crucial aspects* of the game is *not* top 10. He was a unique player, but not in the top 10.
Alan Koslowski he locked down Shaq in ‘96 ECF. He played in the greatest era of big men and was still the best rebounder. He didn’t have to score the ball becuz he had MJ and Pippen. Not to mention he played a big role in Detroit guarding MJ in ‘90.
@@Onlyreal23
He was never the focal point of a team the way truly great players are. At best he was maybe the *3rd best* player on every team he played for.
He was a unique *role player.* Role players are not all time greats. He deserves honorable mention, but he's not in the top 10. Top 20 yes and maybe top 15, but a player who can't score or pass does not belong in the top 10.
You definitely omitted one of the best Stretch 4 Players of all Time. Bob McAdoo was a scoring leader with great Career numbers.
I always thought of McAdoo as a center.
He was like Tim Duncan who played Center and Power Forward
@Ben DC4L That was his Strength Mcadoo is 6'9" which is small for a center but he had an outside game that other centers didn't have. Thats why he's considered the original stretch 4 by Isaiah Thomas & other NBA great players
In his prime on Buffalo,a better scorer than Dirk.Three straight scoring titles.Last player to average 30pts.& 15rebs in a season,1973-74.Like George McGinnis as well.Averaged 20pts & 11rebs in seven seasons on Indiana.
@@johnsalchak3498 Your definitely correct. I was upset that Patrick Ewing was included on the list of the 50 greatest players of all time. But Bob McAdoo wasn't on that list when McAdoo was a much better player than Patrick Ewing ever was at anytime in Ewing's career
Will you guys do a top 10 coaches aswell?
kevin mchale is too damn low, ask anyone who had to defend him...
He suffers the fact of playing with Bird and being a 6th man...
Early in his career they decided to play him that way even though he was much better than the starter.
McHale is top three!
Charles Barkley said McHale was the best player he played against
For today's standards, McHale is not flashy and vertical enough. Old-fashioned post-up -players are an endangered species, like real centers for that matter.@@carrtex
Shawn Kemp (I know the numbers don’t back that up, but SONICS FOR LIFE!!!)
Kemp was too inconsistent. He had the talented, but not the focus and work-ethic.
Loved it
We did a video on Karl Malone and Tim Duncan and it's closer than you might think...first is Tim Duncan and it's not even close.
WTF
+Joseph Dumpleton lol, you're right. What were we thinking?! Bad script-writing. Well, it is closer than most people think, but there is still a large enough gap between the two. (How's that for a cop-out?)
+Mixed Tape Videos So say they were all on a rank 1-100, People give Timmy a 100 and give Malone a 1. But it's closer than people think so Malone is actually a 10 but it's still a large gap from Timmy.
I know that sounded complicated.
+Mixed Tape Videos c-webb? Dirk over kg...hmmm.. Dennis Rodman?
Joseph Dumpleton yuh i was just about to point that out as well
Tim Duncan isn't even a PF. He played center for over 80% of his career. Even when he played "PF" (i.e. when David Robinson was around), he didn't guard always guard the opposing team's PFs.
Those 2-5 spots are tuff to order (with tim the obvious #1).
i say :
2.) Malone
3.) Dirk
4.) Charles
5.) KG
Dirk doesnt belong in the top ten when he never played DEFENSE.
Dirk's the James Harden of big men
exactly my top 5 list
True list
1.Kg
2.Duncan
3.malone
4.dirk
5.chuck
6)Rodman
@Rayshawn Gilbert Rasheed Wallace man!! I always forget about him. What a monster
Tim Duncan has center body and he played the most season of his career as a center.. everybody says that Duncan is power forward because of in start of his career played as power forward next to admiral
Dave Cowens played center for the Boston Celtics, but at 6'-8 1/2", his natural position was at power forward. He was a tenacious defender and one of the NBA's greatest rebounders. Dave was a good scorer and % shooter on a well-balanced Celtics team. This one time MVP, two time champion, and Hall of Famer (and top 50 all-time player) had a fearless style of playing that would have made him one of the very greatest power forwards.
you got the Duncan part right go spurs go
This is a tough list to make but I believe you got it right! Came here cuz Timmy d retired today
So splendid!!
I agree with your top 2!!
now thats the Perfect list
Had to stop the video when I saw KEVIN MCHALE AT 10.
thank you ! underated. she doesn't know her basketball she is only using stats she sees off Google and its obvious. McHale was absolute money from the post
+lbj mo96 but you know she didn't make the list herself tho right. She says what she's told. It's her job
Couldn't agree more. McHale was Duncan with a better jump shot. 80% vs. 70% career free throw. Only player in NBA history with 60% fg 80% ft split in league history and he did it in back to back years. He was surrounded by more talent than Duncan so he had to share more.
deathtoideologues lol Mchale
Lord Hinkie you ant kidding
I remember when I was a kid, when Barkley and Malone we both at their primes, there was no debate as to who was better. At his absolute best, Charles was legitimately in the same conversation as Magic and Jordan. Malone was never in that league. In 1990, Barkley had more 1st place MVP votes than Magic Johnson in what was, by advanced stats, Magic's best season and the Lakers had the leagues best record. In '93 Chuck beat prime MJ for MVP, and no one questioned it. The Suns were up with seconds left in game six against the Bulls that year and fell 1 point shy of forcing a game seven. Barkley went 27/13/6 during the finals and it took 41 ppg from Jordan to beat him.
For 5 or 6 seasons Barkley was the best that a power forward has ever been. I think he could have (maybe should have) been among the top 10 players of all time. But his lack of work ethic and attitude problems cut his prime short.
Which PF would I pick to start a franchise? It would have to be Duncan. He was the best for the longest. And he was an all time winner. But IMO, Barkley at his best was the best PF ever. He certainly had the most athleticism, skill and versatility of any PF that I've ever seen. Of the top 5 on this list, ranked in order of who was the best at their best, I'd have 1.Chuck, 2. Duncan, 3. Garnett, 4. Dirk, 5. Malone.
Novely said,thank you
You can make a good case that peak Barkley was better than Malone, but if you compare career and achievements, Malone is superior. Barkley peaked early then declined, whereas Malone lasted nearly 20 years at the top
Longevity please, Longevity....Malone is Better than Chuck,and Timmy is Better than these Two.......
Your argument is the most objective and professional
If league MVP is so important then Karl Malone is obviously better than Barkley. We both know that League MVP means very little though. It's just a regular season award. The Suns had the best record in the league that year, so Barkley won. Jordan wasn't even 2nd so it's laughable that you mention beating Jordan in his prime. Everyone knew that Jordan was the best player in the league by far.
Barkley was superior to Malone early in their careers, but Malone eclipsed him late. Both were great but I have Malone #2, Barkley #3. LoL @ Garnett and Dirk being above either.
Dennis Rodman? He was an essential part to the bulls legacy since they didn’t have a dominant center. At the time he was both an amazing rebounder and defender
Need more than that. Ben Wallace was a better defender than Rodman. Rodman takes the cake for best rebounder. Just need some semblance of an all around game. Rodman was a no-show on the offensive end (as was Ben Wallace), hence the reason neither were on this list.
Scoring?
For me:
Timmy
Dirk
Barkley
Malone
Mchale
Timmy would have been 6/6 if wasn't for that Ray Allen 3. He also had a quadruple double in the finals(although not cause they didn't count him 2block even though he did block it). Always in po, always over 50wins and the greatest sportsman I've ever seen. Dirk obviously no. 2
No Rodman... Interesting
Dirk obviously number 2?
Rodman is a small forward
Karl malone 2 sorry not dirk
@@Heaveaway23 dirk won a chip, played in 2 finals. Won against roy, aldridge, kobe, pau, odom, durant, westbrook, harden, lebron, wade, bosh in the same year as their only star. To me thats enough to put him at no.2. I rate Barkley also over Malone and Mchale over Garnett. But yeah its my opinion only
I think Barkley is extremely underrated. He was a good passer and all around defender. His post scoring was slightly worse or even equal to Malone's, and he was the better rebounder and outside scorer. Finally, one aspect of Chuck's game folks forget because of how fat he is today was that Barkley was one of the most athletic players to ever play. Although the others might have put up better numbers, Barkley is a hard nosed player I would love to have on my team, and in a pick up game I would probably choose him ahead of anyone except for Duncan.
True
Not to mention kg is under rated, no hate, but ray allen and paul pierce carried his sorry ass.
+Andrew Adair if he got carried then how is he underrated
Andrew Adair kg was the one in Mvp race and all nba 1st team that season so i don't think so
If we look only prime years, Barkley is the best PF of all time.
Where is Brian Scalabrine
I know right he is the G.O.A.T
Celtics Fan he is in different class.. he's from other planets
Brian Scalabrine is in the conversation between MJ, Kobe and Lebron just ask Ron Artest, Quote '' Whick player is the toughest player to guard one on one MJ, Kobe and Lebron? with no hesitation he said Brian Scalabrine. and Ron was one of the greatest one on one defender in NBA.
He's a sf sorry
FAX BRUH
Good list. Honorable mentions I would include are Maurice Lucas, Paul Silas, Bill Bridges, Lonnie Shelton, Buck Williams, Kevin Willis, and Charles Oakley.
Bob Pettit might be a bit underrated. His Hawks team almost went back to back against the golden era Bill Russell Celtics, losing Game 7 in OT for the second Championship.
Pettit was better than Barkley, night in and night out.
TOP 10 ROOKIES OF ALL TIME
"Seasons"
+Sean Baez Larry Bird #1.... Magic #2.... Just like it happened. Anyone else is interchangeable.
+Sean Baez
1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Bill Russell
3. Magic Johnson
4. Larry Bird
5. Grant Hill
6. Tim Duncan
7. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
8. Michael Jordan
9. LeBron James
10. Shaquille O'Neal
Just my opinion, i know Wilt and Bill hadn't the same competition like the others. Don't hate me for this :)
Dan Holmes damn you got me. Wilt is #1. Don't know how I didn't think of him. Only player to get RoY and MVP in the same season.
Dan Holmes I won't bro, I agree
Did you guys consider rodman and Chris Webber ??? I'd love to know why they are excluded
+Jay Josiah chris webber lollll what he win besides rookie of the year ... if nah for injuries perhaps he would be on this list he is def top 20 same goes for denis hell even pau didnt make it
We did. We came closer to adding Webber than we did Rodman. Rodman was obviously one of the greatest defenders ever but his game was too one-sided to include him on this list. The 10th spot was between Webber and McHale.
Mchale got it rightfully ... webber didnt play long enough
Dirk Singh Webber played more seasons, avg more points, rebounds, assists and steals. So how does McHale get it.?
We all know 3-4 of the last years of webber were below par. Mchale has more all star appearances in fewer years played and more playoff appearances .. mchale has 6 defensive selections to webbers 0 ... Webber might have averaged higher then Mchale but mchale scored more overall points then webber with 17 335 to webbers 17 182 and Mchale has more blocks for his career then webber ... Mchale had a higher ft and fg % then webber ... He also scored more in the playoffs and averages more ppg when it mattered most. Mchale also never called timeout and cost his college team a title ... and then there is the 3 rings to 0. I would not remove anyone from this list to accommodate webber .. I would look at pau first before webber ... personally I have pau at 11 webber at 12 and rodman at 13
Missing Bob McAdoo. Know he was listed as C, but really was a stretch 4. Look at his stats for Buffalo from '73-79.
Ok. Listing best PF ever and leaving The Worm out is a disgrace.
And Kevin McHale as number 10? Are you on drugs?
Thought the same thing about Dennis
Dude locked everyone up and rebounded everything
@@donavangreen27 It just shows how little the pure defenders are respected. He made Malone look like nothing. He shut down Shaq! He should've been Finals MVO back in 96 but they gave it to MJ because he's MJ. The real MVP was Rodman.
Yes, I thought that crazy, red Auerbach did not believe in ranking all time players
@@donavangreen27 Dennis Rodman great but selfish rebounder, legendary defender , played on a bunch of championship teams
Maestör Rasanen finals mvp to Rodman smh😂
I agree with most of this list.
Honorable mention Rodman, R Wallace, S Kemp, T Chambers
Larry Johnson
Rebounding stats and points were over inflated in the 60s and 70s because of the pace back then was so much faster. They had way more possessions (averaged 30 more possessions) back then and shot a lower percentage. You can't just look at ppg and rpg.
And on the other side, blocks weren't even a stat 'till somewhere in the '70s - or Russell and Chamberland would own THAT list too.
Granted the rebound numbers were a bit inflated - but compare to their same-year competition.
BiggestBullsFan
Fair point.
A player that gets overlooked in NBA history is Connie Hawkins.He was a great player driving to the basket and had great low post moves and was a decent defender.Maurice Lucas of the Portland Trailblazers was another player who worked well with Bill Walton to win the 1977 NBA Championship.
Dave Cowans of the Celtics was a prototypical power forward, who played almost his entire career as a 6’-9” center. He was a tenacious defender, and averaged 15 rebounds per game during his prime years. He could out-rebound much taller centers, including Jabber. He did this despite having to share the rebounds with Paul Silas, who was also a superb rebounder. While playing out of his natural position, Cowans was voted as one of the 50 greatest players in NBA history. As a full-time power forward, his skill set and passion for winning, would have made him the ideal power forward.
about karl malone "closer to duncan than you think"
10 seconds later :"duncan its number one and its not even close"
Lol
Agree with Timmy being number 1....but Sir Charles should be rank higher
I consider Duncan more of a center. I mean sure he plays power forward, but his best years were when he took over as center.
Favorite Duncan moment is when he hit that 3 pointer against the suns in the playoffs 😳 never forget it
1 Duncan 2 K.Malone 3 Petit 4 Barkley. 5 Garnet 6 Nowicki 7 Haeys 8 McHale. 9 Lucas 10 A.Davis......
@@drazennikolic9727 😂
Maurice "The Enforcer" Lucas. A great POWER forward.
10. Chris Webber
9. Elvin Hayes
8. Bob Petit
7. Dennis Rodman
6. Kevin McHale
5. Kevin Garnett
4. Charles Barkley
3. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Karl Malone
1. Tim Duncan
Rodman over Mchale and i agree
+Dano 7 it's good how it is Garnett is a 2way player Rodman is 1 way player
+Dano 7 yea then it would be perfect
great list
great thank you you are correct
What happened to Dennis Rodman
power forward?
Yea
Indeed.. When he came into the league as a 4 but later played the 5...
@@rayray5472 what he lacked in body he made up with ability and mental force. however instable he was a great team asset.
Dennis Rodman position was Denis Rodman.
Shawn Kemp deserves to be in this list. Apart from his unique athletic ability, he also extended his shooting range and developed passing skills, previewing where the game went in the following years.
Kemp was too inconsistent and didn't have much longevity. He's probably in the top 15, but not top 10.
I thought about him too, but he was probably the most stylish/dominant dunker at that position. His stats probably put him outside the top 20.
Shawn Kemp was quite very good but top 10 of all time no way maybe top 20
I agree with the top 5. I think McHale should be higher and CWeb should be on the list.
I would vote for cwebb and rodman on this list?
How about Kemp
Rodman deserved to be on the list
He couldn't score a point if you locked him up in an empty gym for an hour
Yeah but he is was an amazing defender. he played a lot like Bill Russell, he didn't have to score to win championships. he made his team better with rebounds, defense, and intensity
+Dylan Smith Yes, but that doesn't make him a good player. Just a good role-player. Maybe if he was the greatest defensive power forward of all time I would agree, but he wasn't, and his absolute awful scoring ability would essentially make offensive runs for the pistons/bulls 4v5 which would have only worked successfully with Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars, Adrian Dantley, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, etc. If he was on any other team his weakness in offense would have been a lot more prevalent.
+anonomyous65 rodman could score if he wanted but he would rather rebound and pass it out. he was avg 30-40 points in college and then came in and wanted to be a gritty player. Hes top ten because he's better defensively and on the boards than everyone on this list.
+Jay Josiah "Rodman could score if he wanted to... but he'd rather rebound and pass."
The beauty of basketball is you can do all three. Going through life, a few people I once considered to be very intelligent and headed for success have turned out to be absolute burnouts, living in their parent's basement when they should be on their own, just doing nothing with their lives. Every time I talk to them and tell them they're losers and should go out in the world and be successful, do you know what they say? They always say they could if they wanted to, they just prefer not to. That argument doesn't get them a girlfriend and a house of their own. Why should it get Rodman on the top 10 all time list for power forwards? Rodman played d3 college, literally a jv league so don't use that as an argument.
God I love the fact you put Hayes at a respectable spot! Hayes was a monster!!
I think this channel should do a series of the Top 10 Stretch 4 Players starting with the Original stretch 4 Bob Mcadoo. That list will include Dirk
Dirk is also 50 points away from 6th all time scorer
+Dylan Wolfe About 30 now hoping to see it live in toronto
yeag shaq
he's passed shaq now
dirks not better than kg what the fuck is this
dirk is ten times the man and player kg is and ever will be
I agree with most of this list but I would change a few things. First, I would flip Jerry Lucas and Dolph Schayes, due to the definition of a power forward, Dolph Schayes sounds more like a small forward whereas Jerry Lucas is your traditional power forward. I would also flip Karl Malone and Tim Duncan, due to Malone's better stats. Also I would include Dennis Rodman here somewhere
My final list of top 10 power forwards is:
1. Karl Malone
2. Tim Duncan
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Charles Barkley
6. Bob Pettit
7. Elvin Hayes
8. Jerry Lucas
9. Dolph Schayes
10. Dennis Rodman
Dennis Rodman isn't on the same level as these guys, as good of a defender and spark plug that he was. If anyone deserves a second look here to make the top 10, it's someone like Pau Gasol or Shawn Kemp. But you can't argue with Duncan at #1, his counting stats are slightly worse than Malone, but Duncan made 8 All NBA first team DEFENSE as well as 10 first team OFFENSE. That offsets any difference in scoring, plus Duncan won 5 titles, 3 finals mvps and never played with John Stockton
The last point is what sells it. Malone played with the second greatest point guards if all time and under one of the greatest coaches of all time but still couldn't win a ring.
Mixed Tape Videos Why Didn't You Add Chris Bosh???
+Challenges in the Hood Duncan is #1
Why this channel stop making this kind of videos? It's saddening that this is one of of my favourite channel since 2014
(2:51) Rambles on about Dolph Schayes bringing outside shooting to the power forward position...
(Meanwhile) *Video showing him doing a layup*
Everyone salty af because Timmy wasn't a highlight real he is easily the best power forward of all time
dirk would have the Sam amount of rings as Duncan if he played with spurs
Jonathan Cantu you can't even spell or use proper grammar so I'm going to go out on a limb and say you have no idea what your talking about whether it's basketball or the english language
+Kawhi Leonard I am trying to say they overrate Duncan look at all the championships he has won with all the players are studs
But wasnt he more of a center?
Jonathan Cantu do you even watch basketball I guess no, team with stack players are useless without playmaking just watch okc struggles despite having 3 all stars, stack teams only work if they have good playmaking and ball movements BTW Duncan is not overrated he's actually underrated and forgotten you obviously didn't know that the Spurs first three rings during Duncan's era is led by Duncan itself, Duncan can almost do everything except shooting at threes and freethrows but nevertheless he will be the best powerforward now
I'm glad you put Duncan at #1 he is really great player with no flash and only fundamentals
Kevin McHale was really #1 and was even NBA Defensive Player of the Year, but the Celtics played team ball and his stats were lower because of it. His footwork in the low post was amazing. Barkley said he was the best PLAYER, not just power forward, he ever matched up against.
U got it
Timmy can be argued with Jordan for one of the best ever but since he was a big it would never happen
I hear ya but in all honesty, Kareem is goat then Jordan then kobe then Timmy...and dont kill me but LeBron might eveb be greater than Duncan...please don't chop my head off 😆
@@whodatking26 Kobe wasn't better than Duncan let's be serious look at the resumes Duncan never missed the playoffs Kobe and LeBron and even Jordan can't say that Duncan won 50 games in a season how many times again? 2 time MVP to Kobe 0 they both got 5 rings but if you wanted to start a team knowing what would happen idk how you pick Kobe over Duncan Kobe has style points that is it. Duncan is literally the model for consistency.
@@fordawin7811 Your smokin crack buddy. Tim Duncan is the greatest power foward ever but hes not Kobe and hes not Jordan period. It didnt matter who kobes teammates where or who his coach was. He got the ball get the hell out the way. Tim Duncan had the fundamentals but if you pick Duncan over Jordan Kareem Kobe or LeBron then you're obviously a spurs fan and have a bias. Im from New Orleans so i cant say shit about greatness in NBA lol but i can say anyone worth there weight in salt would pick those 4 guys before Timmy in a draft.
Chris Mequet Tim Duncan definitely could be tho. Timmy could do everything you asked of him for a big man. He locked up the paint, could rebound, could score at ease when you needed him too and shoot from anywhere inside, he was clutch, a great passer, a great teammate, and leader.
HE WAS DOMINANT ON BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR. The second he came into the league he was already the silent big deal. What player in nba history could have been said to almost get or be cheated of a quadruple double in the finals???? I’m not even mentioning the unreal averages he was having during that series and like in many of his years. You don’t even need to see what he averaged to show how much he affected the game.
I wouldn’t pick Timmy over the other guys personally but Timmy is def not a bad choice. He’s a game changer.
This is coming from a die hard Laker fan who’d prob pick kobe out of all of them
@@SuperMisteryMan01 this man spoke truth
Timmy the best P. F. Loyal , humble and smart player. 3 time mvp finals, 2 regular season mvp and t championship. Spurs 4 ever...🏀💪👆
fuck slow ass duncan, he is just overrated. he is lucky bcuz he played with good teammades and good coach all carrier, not more. malone and nowitzki much better than him.
@@sskingdom7181 what a dumbass thing to say you must be a butt hurt Mavs fan
SS Kingdom he cant even spell career right lol
Yep, TD was the man. He did it all with one team, took a pay cut to say competitive, and won a chip in 3 different decades!! Greatness personified!!
Dirk did all that except the chips...bad job mavs. But Timmy was a damn nightmare to try and watch dirk gaurd lol. Tim is definitely the GOAT at his job....
You can’t sleep on Bob Love. He was a beast
Tim Duncan always reminds me of Will Smith’s chill brother.
Lol
My man C Webb not getting any love...He was going toe to toe with Garnett, Duncan and Nowitzki.
Big fax
Losing every time
@@fordawin7811 Losing every time? Clearly you know nothing about early 00s Kings.
@@dusannemet4958 oh I must of missed when they made it to the NBA finals
@@fordawin7811 Lakers robbery? They were the only team that made serious problems to Kobe and Shaq. If you look at things that way. You must not think much of Tracy Mcgrady? He was a one of a kind beast, never made it out of 2nd round.
A very good list. I might have Elvin Hayes slightly higher. Won a championship, and was money on offense, defense, rebounding.
I like this list glad to see players Petite schayes Lucas and Hayes on this list Bob Petit was the leagues first great player at the time of his retirement in 1962 he was the leagues all time leading scorer 2nd leading rebounder Elvin Hayes at the time of his retirement in 1984 he was the leagues 3rd all time leading scorer and 3rd all time in rebounding as a rookie he lead the league in scoring
The top side of the list is ok but anyway my list
1 Duncan
2 Karl
3 Dirk
4 Charles
People forget how dominant this guy was maybe dident win a ring but got to the finals and lost to Jordan and during his prime years this guy was considered to be as good as Jordan and in the dream team who stood out well not Karl Malone
5 KG
6 Hayes
7 Mchale
No way this guy is 10th
8 Pettit
9 RODMAN
Where is he
10 Kemp
+SolarStudios i agree
+Tod Wilkinson To put Dirk at 7 is retarded. He is easily one of the five greatest power forwards to ever play the game of basketball. It's not even worth debating over.
+Tod Wilkinson dirk is easily number 2 or 3 in prime and longevity yes duncan was better and maybe karl malone but he is one of the top 20 nba players of all time.i don't see any other pf better than him besides malone and duncan
+Tod Wilkinson and i wouldn't say he had trouble with those guys with amare and webber but i agree with duncan he didn't have too much trouble tho
Tod Wilkinson wel dirk is not that good defensively his two legs can't keep up with it, dirks main focus is offense he's easily number 2 or 3
''In the previous video, we were talking wether Karl or Tim Duncan was the better player'' *Then moves on to number 1
''Tim duncan is the obvious choice, and its not even close'' ????????
I wasn't. Duncan is clearly the best and no, it's not even close.
James Worthy, Chris Webber, Charles Oakley, Horace Grant, Larry Johnson, Denis Rodman, Anthony Mason
Tim Duncan can be on the list for GOAT 🐐. HE never missed the playoffs, 5 & 6 in Finals, won a championship 3 decades in a row, and played against many great teams and players.
Malone? 2nd all time leader in points. That's history in itself. Duncan was always on a top 5 team, put KG on the Spurs and he would've won just as many rings as duncan. Duncan was always in the right place at the right time.
Not to downplay Duncan or his career, but he was never on a failing team like KG. Duncan for sure is the most fundamental PF of all time besides Hakeem, but he definitely is a top 3 C/PF of all time.
With having Kevin McHale at 10 I can't even watch the rest of this video! SMH
Facts and I hate the Celtics
Agreed!
Kevin Garnett------ Tim Duncan
22.5 Pts--------------21.6Pts
12.7 Reb-------------11.7 Reb
5 Ast-------------------3.2 Ast
1.5 Blk-----------------2.4 Blk
1.2 Stl------------------.8 Stl
49% FG----------------50% FG
80% Free Throw--69% Free Throw
124.6 Win Shares - 119.8 Win Shares
65.8 VORP ---------- 53.5 VORP (Value over Replacement Player)
99-08
For 8 straight seasons, KG was the best Power Forward in the league. Robbed of at least 1 MVP by Duncan because he played for a better team. 4 time league leader in rebounding.
Last time I checked Duncan never led the league in rebounding.....
When compared to Duncan. KG more than stacks up, but gets crap because the T-Wolves never gave him anyone to work with.
Everyone likes to forget that KG was playing POINT GUARD at 7 foot tall in the 04 conference finals because we didn't have anyone but KG.....
Put Tim Duncan on the 04 T-Wolves and they don't make it out of the first round......
Yeah yeah. Prime Dirk murdered KG's ass in the 02 playoffs.
Salty af
How is VORP measured ? It does Take into account the production of the players replacing them ?
+Simon
"Value over Replacement Player (VORP) converts the BPM rate into an estimate of each player's overall contribution to the team, measured vs. what a theoretical "replacement player" would provide, where the "replacement player" is defined as a player on minimum salary or not a normal member of a team's rotation."
To calculate VORP, the formula is: [BPM - (-2.0)] * (% of minutes played)*(team games/82). This yields the number of points the player is producing over a replacement player, per 100 TEAM possessions over an entire season.
There are some limitations to the stat.
"The biggest problem with VORP, like any other NBA statistical rating system, is that it generally ignores the quality of a player’s man defense."
So players like KG are actually hindered by this stat as they are undervalued in their man-to-man perimeter defense, something that Tim Duncan was never able to do, due to his limitations athletically.
+SixtySixNation It is easy to make this type of statistic for a bad team, when he started to play for Boston like Kevin Love for Cleveland his numbers went massively down, in addition he played with two another all-star players and only one NBA championship plus that season he averaged only 18 points and 9 rebounds.
I'll put Dirk over Malone.. Coz Malone has one of the best point guard most of his career.. It's easier to score that much if you have Stockton as your play maker..
Jerry Lucas is new for me glad I watched
Shawn Kemp most underrated PF ever.
Sam Perkins and James Worthy also...And where the heck is Dennis Rodman...
V Ben if that’s the case he’d be on the list
@@rayray5472 worthy is SF
chris webber disagrees
Charles Barkley is the most unique player in history at only 6"4 he mandhandle 7"0 footers
@Chaz Bustos he ain't 66 either but he is6feet4
@Chaz Bustos they listed him at 6feet 4 but he was only 6fert4 and3/4
@Chaz Bustos Charles Barkley's height is leasted as 6 feet4 in his book I may be wrong but I doubt it
If you go even farther back than that, Barkley was a beefed up Elgin Baylor, who is a forgotten all time great.
Barkley was 6'6" and NEVER manhandled any 7 footer.
Antentokoumpo could become one of the very best. Also, concerning the power moves, James Worthy is worth a mention. And what about Olajuwon? Was he a center? Probably. But his moves, speed and power was way better than Duncans.
Olajuwon was definitely a center.
Kevin McHale was a starter:
Bird
McHale
Parrish
Henderson and later Johnson
Ainge
Cedrick Maxwell and Bill Walton were the Celtics’ 6th men during the 1980’s.
Ramone DeCurta McHale didn’t start till 85.
Chuck is my favorite PF of all-time. He could do it all
Kenneth Donnelly He played 9 seasons as PF and 10 as C.
He was PF because of The Admiral was center and Duncan ran faster.
Kenneth Donnelly Chuck was my favorite PLAYER of all time! Wasn’t he great to watch haha?!? Dude could do it all and scrap with anyone
except winning a title 😅
Dirk's run in 2011 playoffs-finals was outstanding, and what can you say about Timmy.
+JL Timmy's run in 2003 was better, but Dirk's is #2 in my opinion for an individual just winning a championship for his team.
need a honorable mentions section
Tim "Kickin ass and taking names" Duncan...PF GOAT!!!!
Timmy is the GOAT! @PF
Isn't Shawn Kemp supposed to be on this list?
UnderShad0ws666 NO!!!!
TCM Shadow
Kemp was an entertaining dunker in the early 90s
But his skill set as a forward pales in comparison to the likes of a Karl Malone a Tim Duncan& a Kevin Garnett
Plus, he had a weight issue after the 99 lockout in his first three seasons with the Cleveland Cavaliers
I don’t believe he should be in the list
The list said best power forwards, not flamboyant
@@dumisatonyjohnson8145 The only thing he was really bad at though was pulling out
Dennis Rodman supposed to be
Thumbs up, simply because you put Timmy as number one.
As an aside, Jerry Lucas was a terrific player, who shot rainbow threes before there were three pointers. I might nudge him up one or two spots.
I want Shaun Kemp
Did we just forget Shawn Kemp existed?
Kemp was too inconsistent. He had the talented, but not the focus and work-ethic.
I think Bosh, cweb, and kemp should be on this list
Elvin Hayes-1
Charles Barkley-2
Bob McAdoo-3
Are my top three power forwards, Spencer Haywood, George McGinnis, Chris Webber and Amari Stoudamire should all get some love
I always considered Nowitzki a small forward or shooting forward.
"Chales Barkley"
Hit the like soon as I seen Dirk in top3 😍🖤
You right
Good list about time Tim D was recognized..he was hella solid player.
I dont know of a PF list were Timmy isnt number 1...I literally can't find one
I think the problem is more being underrated in the hall of the greats, moreso than being atleast recognized as king of the Power Forwards. For some reason the 2 never connect when listing top 10 of all times players