- lol. Agree but at the same time, LOW pointed out that Oscar had the stats but not going deep into the playoffs while West had the stats and went deep into the playoffs. Without advanced stats, it is hard to evaluate pre 1980s greats. They didn't pick all-time defensive teams until 1969-70 when West was 31yo or record steals (until '73-74 in West's final year). So here we are barber-shopping...
@@dylanlabadie130 But russ isnt overrated he got an MVP he doesnt even deserve and he too has been bounced out the first round with him as the leader with help he had paul GEORGE and victor Oladipo ironically both guys who are doing way better without him. Even CP3 without any big name superstar or all star has the OKC thunder at the 6th seed and is establishing a great culture over there at okc practically by himself. Russ is THE MOST OVERRATED POINT GUARD EVER. But low gave it to him because he has an MVP. At least john Stockton with another great player can make the finals TWICE and on top of that okc made the finals in a lockout year the very next year they got bounced out the 2nd round with KD with him. But without KD he do the same thing cp3 is doing but way worse. But hes over Stockton who with another great teammate made the finals twice. That karl malone arguement is inadequate cause when karl left Stockton he went to the lakers and made the finals UNDER SHAQ AND KOBE. John stockton is better than russ he should at least be 6 or 7. Steve nash is great but he never made the finals in an equal as tough conference as the west was in the 00s and the 90s and steve had help that whole system was based around him. Stockton is at least 6th or 7tj
future hofer 2015-2019 were elite. So u got that flipped. He played 11 seasons too so u clearly don’t know much about curry. So he had 4 good seasons and 7 seasons that were basically just dealing w injuries or developing his young talent...
@@brendanl.6220 2013 he was an elite, all-star level point guard. 2014 he was an all-star, and widely considered around a top 10 player. 2015 to 2019 he had all-time great seasons, was the best point guard in the league, not even close, and was a top 3 level player. His 11th season he played 5 games.
@@riqui5406 I dont know if you're saying that the 2013-14 was an elite curry or that an 2012-13 was an elite curry, cause saying that 2012-13 curry was elite is just flat out dumb. Even saying 2014 curry was "elite" is dumb. Just because he was an all-star that doesn't mean he's elite and a "top 10 player" lol.
@@genermanaloto6509 I mean...yeah..that's how you win MVP buddy....Be the best player on the best team, lol? Unless youre doing something that hasn't been done in decades, like averaging a triple-double, then you're not winning the MVP unless you meet that criteria.
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FTC FlightTeamStandUp Oh for sure I agree with that logic like LOW said, the Center position has probably evolved the most especially in the modern NBA. Center is definitely the deepest position in NBA history as well. With any all time rankings it really is hard to compare guys across eras. Especially comparing someone like Jerry West or Magic Johnson to Steph Curry.
@@bradyd2270 well has to most assists all time magic was a better flashy passer and had better teammates and why would you say not even say that knowing his assists numbers
Otherwise, this was a good list! I'm glad you gave Isaiah Thomas the respect he deserves! My top 5 point guards is Magic, Curry, Thomas, Robertson, Stockton. Jerry West is a shooting guard.
Just remember that before the Jazz played and lost to the Bulls in the 1998 Finals, John Stockton and the Jazz _swept_ the Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference Finals - a Lakers team that had both Shaq and Kobe playing for them. As a point guard, John Stockton is vastly underappreciated and underrated.
@@jcmaybenot oh he was in his prime. He actually went to the all star game in 98 too. And he was also at his athletic best. Only thing people can say was Phil Jackson wasn't there yet but the Lakers had the more athletic talented team than the Jazz and they still beat them.
@@kennylopezjeetkunedo5555 no he wasn't in his prime, and he went to the all star game because he was a talented young star on the Lakers. Kobe's prime probably starts from 01 to 10. Anything before and after are definitely not years you can call his prime, furthermore 98 wasn't even a HOF level season from him, which he had about ten of...so no it wasn't close to his prime. His best years can be argued as either 06, 03, 04, 01, 08, or 09.....but his sophomore year in the league he didn't even average 16 pts a game and averaged less than 10 in thr playoffs.
@@jcmaybenot he was also wasn't starting even though he was one of the best on the team at the time with Eddie Jones so he was actually even more dangerous coming off the bench at the time. So a lot of people will say that because he wasn't starting but he definitely was at his athletic best in 98. And regardless of what anyone says, the Lakers had a more stacked squad than the Jazz did in 98, and the Lakers were far more athletic than the Jazz was. I'm only bring that up because a lot of people from this generation talk about how athletic all these players are today and being more athletic doesn't mean you're the better team or better player.
Yeah and lebron is fairly close to that number but he's still the greatest SF ain't he?? I'm not defending his position on this list but that's not a valid argument.
Prophet_ 2059 You are most definitely comparing if you weren’t comparing what was the point of even bringing lebron into the same category as jerry west
Sheesh as soon as I saw Stockton 10 I was like in typical LOW fashion he starts out controversial lol. I agree he’s overrated but 10? Aw man I can’t go that far maybe 5-6
#1 all time in assists and steals, and nobody is even CLOSE. Nobody will ever touch his assist record his type of longevity and consistency at the point guard position may never be seen again
@@CodeineAbdulJabbar His assists were largely what's called Rondo assists. Where the pass doesn't actually make the bucket easier to get, but relies on the receiver to do most of the work.
This shouldn’t be an argument purely based on statistics if we’re discussing the greatest point guards in history. It’s not a discussion of the greatest statistical accumulators in history. Cousy was a winner, a teammate, and an ambassador above all else. He’s a great comparison to Curry today in terms of impact and pushing the game of basketball forward, more so than Stockton ever came close to
@@VictorFPoB No...John Stockton broke guys with his superior cardio, you didn't get easy minutes with Stockton he would speed up or slow down the game and break his opponents. More impressively he did all of it at elevation.
@@Bri.ThaRapper i love jason williams but i wouldnt blame anybody if they dont put him in their top 10. Jason surely is my top 3 fav pg to watch. Tied with magic. I like watching curry and prime rondo and cp3 more.
My top 10 1. Magic Johnson 2. Stephen Curry 3. Isiah Thomas 4. Oscar Robertson 5. Jerry West 6. Chris Paul 7. Jason Kidd 8. Steve Nash 9. Gary Payton 10. Russell Westbrook
@Minimal Interest he averaged 28-6-5 on 49/48/86 shooting from games 3-6 and put up 26-8-4 in game 1 on 50% shooting. Game 2 was his only God awful game
Idk why Chris Paul gets labeled as a choker, if you realize he’s always been there like LOW said he just gets injured and the worst times, like in 2018, had Chris Paul not been injured then the rockets would’ve been nba champions
Somregularguy durability is arguably one of the most important traits. What good would all the great ones be if they were hurt all the time deep in the playoffs? Imagine, there would be zero GOAT talk if Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Shaq, Duncan. Arguing because he would PROB have a ring is insulting to the greats who won every year he could have. They were greater because they were more durable. They took care of themselves better and they were stronger. It’s facts bc they WENT LONGER.
Jack Johnson Cousy got a better regular season and playoff win percentage. Cousy got more championships. He’s got more playoff appearances, more MVPs, and more All Star game MVPs. Cousy made everyone around him better because he was a better passer. Cousy also beat West in the finals
@@outlawstarjoseph8064 yeaaa the most assists in history, most steals in history, 2nd all time ast avg, top 10 all time, 5 all defensive selectiona, shot 50% from the field = overrated
yeah because he dished to Malone all the time lol, and Malone more often than not is gonna score when heading to the basket, he was too strong to stop one on one, dude was built like a tank
The Russell Westbrook placement shook me. But when I thought about it I couldn't think of any real reason for him to not be up there, or really anyone to go over him. I don't know why but that's just kinda crazy to me
He steals rebounds, gets mad assists because the defense focuses on him more than they should? he cant shoot volume at a high clip from outside and he lives at the rim. Hes devastating on the drive like we have never seen and his ability to finish at the rim is crazy. but hes been stat hunting on teams to pad it out.He's not a PG IMO. hes a scoring guard that can make plays secondary. He can average 10 assists for his whole career and never get close to the record. I like to separate the scoring PGs and the facilitators.
I agree, but we don't know how much Curry really can play at this all-time great level. He's already missed this season cause of a hand injury + his ankles are like paper. The GSW core is getting older and every single team in the west and even in the east is getting better. Are they still a championship contender? idk, we'll see, but I don't think Curry can win another championship unless something major happens or somebody chokes, like the injuries to the cavs in 2014 - 15 or the choke job by the Thunder in 2015 - 16.
If Curry doesn't ball out and win another 1 or 2 titles, he would be stuck at top 2 PG of all-time. Pretty damn great to be second only to Magic, but yeah no FMVP will be an issue when we talk about top all-time rankings.
@@isaaccalalang7832 Bro has played less than 70 games for the past 3 seasons, and he missed this season cause of a hand injury. He's getting up there in age and the fact that his ankles aren't durable isn't going to change....
Facts, I think curry will win another championship and he’ll be an all star for like 5 more years or if he gets lucky 6 more but I definitely agree with you
Isiah was amazing but the narrative that Isiah beat Bird, Magic, and MJ in their primes is overstated considering that in the: 88 series vs Boston, played well while Bird suffered due to bone spurs on both feet 89 series vs Boston, he averaged 12 points on 33% shooting while Bird missed the season due to surgery to treat aforementioned bone spurs 89 Finals vs LA, Dumars won FMVP while Byron Scott didn't play and neither did Magic after 1.5 games 88, 89, and 90 series vs CHI, he shot 40% and below each series
@@TheIcemanthomas Well you have to add context or else IT would be gaining a lot of clout for stuff he didn't do. He beat them sure but to say he beat them in their primes or he dominated them on an individual bases is just a flat out lie.
@@TheIcemanthomas because most people already know the narratives surrounding other great point guards but when we talk about Isiah the #1 case that gets brought up for him is that he beat 3 top 10 players in their primes. That's like me claiming that Steph beat LeBron 3 times in his prime without adding any context. No hate
I think the best way to measure a player is to base it off defensive and offensive ability. Being good at one thing should disqualify them. A well rounded player is one that will give your team a chance to win
ViperProYT i respect this cuz this what I love to see in LOW’s comments. Other people that think just like low cuz everyone that watches these videos aren’t complete absolute fucking potatoes that think they know what they talkin bout but they don’t, but again, I like that pf ranking
He don’t agree with west at 2 and I’d rather him be considered a 2 guard. Also I think stock should be higher but otherwise this is a decent list. One of the more knowledgeable ones I’ve seen.
A Different Perspective not to the players. The players show nothing but love for stock. It’s only causals and you tubers ever spread this Stockton distain
@@TheIcemanthomas real talk though mans was playing with another top 5 player in their respective position and still never won a ring and was #8 i believe as the highest in mvp consideration nothing against him but i do think his longevity propelled him in the pg discussion
1995 GetJiggyWitIt better playoff performer? Steph averages 6 more points than Thomas in the playoffs, averages more rebounds per game, shoots a higher percentage from 2, 3 and from the FT line. Steph also has more rings. Thomas averages 2.5 assists per game more and another steal per game. Thomas has the most memorable series of the 2 (88 finals on one leg), but his finals numbers don’t compare to Steph’s numbers. Go and check for yourself. The 88 series, Thomas only averaged 19.7 ppg, even after scoring 43 in game 6. He had a 10 point and 13 point game. Statistically speaking Curry is the better playoff performer. Championship wise Curry is the better performer. Finals numbers Steph is better, and they should have the same number of finals MVP’s (15 should have been Steph’s). Better passer and defender yes I’ll give you. Steph is a better shooter, scorer and has completely changed the sport, something Thomas never even came close to doing. As for better leader, which player led their team to an all time best 73-9 record? You have nothing to back up your claim that Thomas is a better leader, as Steph has led his team to greater success than Thomas.
@1995 GetJiggyWitIt ok steph is a better passer let's get that straight a way better leader because of the simple fact that he had the best offensive season ever and was willing to take a step back when kd arrived for the betterment of the team and Isiah has as many bad playoff games if not more then steph
Was Jerry West not known as mr. clutch? Was he not finals mvp in spite of losing? He had to go against Bill Russell’s Celtics. He was insane in playoffs
Jason Kidd was so versatile. If you wanted him to get his coach fired, he could do it. If you wanted him to get a DUI, he could do it. Hell if you wanted him to assault his wife, he can even do that.
Solid list. I disagree with some of the placement (I'd have Nash higher, West lower mainly) but this things are opinions for the most part. I'm also surprised you got CP3 so high. Lastly, Curry does have a very real shot at tipping this list. It isn't a sure thing, but if he rattles off a couple more chips in the next 5 years, that'd be huge. More likely, the decline sets in and the Dubs set in to the middle of the pack. But I think its possible they make a serious run over the next couple years (if things like... get back to normal). Anyway, great vid. Thanks for the great content!
Dark Reaper Edits I think his contributions to that Spurs team really propel his legacy past what it would’ve been anywhere else. For his career he was a 16 ppg and like 6 apg guy in that spurs system with a couple 20 ppg seasons, elsewhere I think it’s fair to say he probably would’ve been a low teens kind scorer and 4-5 assist guy, which is still a good career, but not one in top ten PG conversation. Maybe two or three all-star selections and for the bulk of his career he’s known as a high-level role player and borderline all star
Dark Reaper Edits I think the era he played in was huge for him too. Like in today’s NBA with his small frame, lack of crazy athleticism, and no real outside shooting (for his career he’s a 32% 3pt shooter on 1 three attempt per game), he’d probably be like a 12th man, if he was even able to keep a roster spot😂 but then again it’s hard to put players in different eras too, so you know it’s kind of moot.
Marc Bibanga And clutchness is one of the intangibles of players in any sport that really elevates a player. I don’t disagree with you. I’m just saying in a hypothetical scenario where he never goes to San Antonio and plays in that system and we possibly never see him deliver in crunch time; he’d be remembered a lot differently. Projecting his talents in practically any other situation I think his career would’ve been less prolific.
Hes overrated watch more basketball you probably think hes top 3 hes not casuals think Stockton is so great he is but compared to steph hes not as good
she want me stop it, arguably the greatest floor general ever, all time leader in steals and assists. And he’s one of the most underrated clutch shooters.
@@kanyecrazy7440 the assist are easy he gets it to karl and he can get 10 assist from that hes overrated put steph curry on that team with karl malone they would have won in 6
Not a bad list, though in my opinion i have two main issues: 1) Ranking Jason Kidd over John Stockton: Stockton and Kidd I see as mirrors of each other. They are both extremely intelligent pass-first point guards, virtually identical in every way except that Stockton leads Kidd in all time in total assists, total steals, shooting percentage, 3 point percentage, FT percentage, total points etc. (And seeing as they both had similar longevity, I can use total stats in this case as a fair comparator. Stockton also generally performed better in the play offs and really only loses to Kidd in terms of rebounding and having won one NBA championship. 2) You do not even have AI as an honorable mention in either your PG or SG lists.....where....is....Allen Iverson? His impact on the league is undeniable and he has probably one of the best 10 year stretches that any guard his size has ever had in the nba, bar none.
Jerry West is the logo. I agree that one or two more great years then he moves ahead of West. Also, while Westbrooks stats are great U think they are a bit misleading. While the triple doubleshot are impressive, his field percentage is pretty low and he averages over 5 turnovers per game.
@@BravestOfTheBrave the losses were to the Celtics, a stacked deck. No free agency in that era, so it was vs. Bill Russell, Casey Jones, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, etc. year after year.
Because his stats are inflated. His assists are because he was lucky enough to play with a healthy Karl Malone all of those years. I wouldn't even had John Stockon on this list... I would have included Gary Payton on here instead.
His durability which led to those numbers plus his assist were to Malone most of the time he wasn't flashy and had no left he went from a pure scorer in college to an assist leader the minute he touched the Jazz roster same with the guard before him it was the system that got him all those assists and steals
John Stockton: All time assist leader, all time steal leader, 55/4800 NBA players in points all time, two finals appearances, played 19 seaons (Lebron has played 20 seasons so far) and never missed the playoffs, five western conference finals appearances, selected to play on the dream team. So just think about that... There's around 4800 NBA players all time, Stockton is 55th in points, 1st in steals, and 1st in assists. That's legend shit.
Not a fact Westbrook made the finals to and has way better all around numbers with k.d his efficiency and turnovers Is Westbrook’s biggest flaws he also has an mvp where Stockton doesn’t so yes Westbrook is better
FragsToNice please stop John Stockton is better , John Stockton is the Alltime leader in assists and steals . Nobody in their right mind would put westbrook ahead of John Stockton rn .
FragsToNice bc westbrook has an mvp he’s better stop your logic makes no sense . So Derrick Rose is better than Isiah Thomas and Dwyane Wade according to your logic
5 through 10 is honestly pretty interchangeable, the top 4 though are spot on until Steph Curry gets a bit more accolades and acclaim towards his end years.
I feel like John Stockton is starting to become underrated because of that vid by NBA Storyteller and Rusty Buckets. Yes, Stockton did have a left. Were his assist figures fluffed up? Maybe. But I’ve been hearing that about assists in general for most of my 40 years. The problem with Stockton other than not winning a title is he played so long that his prime was long forgotten by the time he retired in 2003. Prime Stockton is like 17pts/14 assists/3 steals on crazy shooting splits. Oh and don’t look now but the analytics love Stockton (.200+ career win shares/48 mins). He passes the eye test too. Great film in this list. He’s becoming oddly underrated. Point 2: Chris Paul is most likely better than Isiah Thomas. I love the original IT but he has dirty efficiencies/very weak analytics. Also people mis-remember the bad boy Pistons. They won because of incredible balance on the team and Joe Dumars was likely the best player on the team due to similar offense and far superior defense and shooting. Jerry West said the same thing in-period. People remember IT’s no-defense pistons numbers with Kelly Tripucka years before Chuck Daly took over the Pistons and made them a more defensive, deliberate team. Great, great point guard though. Third point: this must be greatest career and not necessarily best. Kevin Johnson, Derrick Rose (who KJ is basically a direct forerunner to) and Walt Clyde Frazier are better than most of the players on this list. Honorable mention to Dennis Johnson (especially the Sonics version).
The Jazz system made Stockton Stockton same with the pg before him they went from scorers in college to double digit assist in pro the whole gameplan was pass to Malone. And power drive or catch and shoot mid range plus playing passing lanes is of course gonna make more steals and the reason IT is higher is because less injuries and more post season success IT and Dumars were a nasty duo both being elite 2 ways especially for their size the whole pistons team were either pure defenders or elite 2 way players with IT and Dumars leading the way IT deserves to be higher than CP3
Ray Burks the funny thing about the video is that it showed John Stockton clearly doing more than what he said. At least in NBA Storyteller and Rusty Buckets’ vid it showed he only dribbling right and making basic passes to Malone. Prime Stockton’s steal numbers were too high to be just passing lane hawking. He was also a very good on-ball defender. I think it was just his unassuming way and low usage that have people eager to knock him down. It’s not unlike Tim Duncan where people shadow diss him “Kobe was better in the 2000’s”, if the Bulls ran it back they’d have won in 1999”, “ if Kobe and Shaq were not feuding, they’d have won more”. It’s the same thing happening with Stockton where he’s just cast aside with peripheral arguments or explanations as to why he did what he did that don’t apply to anyone else, really. I won’t fight you on IT vs CP3. The eye test and for sure the numbers indicate CP3 was better. IT is probably the only great player with ~ .100 win shares/48 that everyone treats like you can just put him out there with any mediocre cast and they’d win at say, a 50 game/season level.
@@swpdisciple john and Malone rarely didn't play together and hes what number 2 i believe in scoring and stock number 1 in assist plus they were durable ash which would also increase those numbers and the amount of games Stock missed it is believable he'd be killing Kidd in steals jus playing passing lanes especially since him and Malone are the most durable people you'll ever see look at the pg before Stockton they were scorers in college then when signed by Jazz they were averaging low points a shit ton of assists and getting more steals put Stock on another team Malone wouldn't be number 2 in scoring and John would at least be top 7 in scoring John was a system player plus i was alive you watch them play so most the stuff Rusty said i already knew the boring game style is why i never really watched Jazz also i didnt say IT could make any team a 50 win team cause i clearly said the whole team was pure defenders or elite 2 ways being led by IT and DumarsCP3 had a great team in LA and Houston but was to injury prone and never made it far
Ray Burks Stockton was a system player to a degree but he’d still be good anywhere. He had enough of the mark price/Steve Nash archetype in his game where he’d likely be 17/8 for his career with high steals and efficiency a bit lower. Two points: Carlos boozer/deron Williams played the same role in the late 2000’s and put up similar numbers to Malone/Stockton but not quite. I’d say the difference was due to Malone/Stockton’s talent. Second point: in the 1997 western conference finals when the jazz appeared dead in the water, Stockton scores like 17 points in the 4th including the game winner to send them to the finals. He could score, but that wasn’t his role in general. 13 points on .515 shooting to me me is better than say IT averaging 19pts on .456. It’s just a matter of preference I suppose.
@@swpdisciple Stockton was a scorer turned passer by the Jazz any other team he'd average over 20 points he was a great scorer but he could never show case it in Utah due to the gameplan which was John gets the ball pass to Malone and he scores that shiz only the Utah coach at the time did if I'm correct he got fired i don't remember cause i don't follow the Jazz but if John was put on a team like Lakers or Celtics he would've been ur utilized as a scorer like in college
I was surprised to not see Allen Iverson on the list. I'd also rank Bob Cousy, who led the league in assists for 8 consecutive seasons while winning 6 titles and an MVP, over Westbrook.
The fact that Bob Cousy isn’t on this list considering his accomplishments (MVP, 13 time all star, 6 TIME CHAMPION) and his incredible impact on the game of basketball (revolutionized the PG position, first modern style of play, first volume scoring point guard) is outrageous but otherwise it’s a good list LOW keep it up
Yeah but it’s hard to include him because unlike a lot of their nba legends, you can’t see a scenario where Bob Cousy could thrive in the NBA past the year 1980, let alone make the league.
Ashanti Nyongo that’s a fair point but this isn’t listing the ten most athletic or most purely talented PGs of all time I don’t think it’s a list of the best NBA PGs in NBA history
CP3 will always be the best true point guard I've ever seen, Mr Naismith probably created him and said "there will be a this game will turn into a sport where several flashy selfish players will play" and Chris Paul came to life
@@campusportal9718 a pg job is to be a playmaker not jus pass playmakers set up plays for themselves and the team a great example is curry he was a scorer in college the Jazz system is what made him a passer any other team he would've average 23+ due to his durability and scoring abilty he had but never used in Utah
Ray Burks bruh you stupid point guards don’t always need to score they make plays for their team meaning if he had to pass he passes. All you guys just care about the ppg. Its like you’re saying that point guards must have atleast 20ppg just to be in the top 10. Its like saying stockton nash kidd who are all pass first should not be in the top 10
@@gaarou8231 are you stupid or jus dumb? Did you read a single thing i said or jus comment? Playmakers don't jus pass they set up plays for themselves and the team i said this they mix scoring and passing like i said a perfect example is Curry Magic and CP3 if you only pass you're not a playmaker you're jus Rondo
Massive respect from putting Jerry West at #2 go watch that 1969 playoffs and he was clearly the best player on the court, and that court had Wilt, Russell, Baylor, and more.
Jerry West better than Steph. Mate, are you kidding me. 10 seasons. 3 Championships. 2 MVP's. Only unanimous MVP. 5 time finalist. Changed the game of Basketball forever.
i think you may be a little high on russ. of course, his amazing hustle and rebounding on top of very good playmaking and passing speak for himself, even though you have to mention stat padding. but that point aside, his weaknesses are obvious and blatant: he tourns the ball over like none other, has throughout most of his career had poor descision making and is ridiculously inefficient. paired with his lack of post-season success relative to his expectations, i dont think he is any better than a guy like gary payton
ya point on stockton is crazy (him playing with Malone) you can't say that when Steph been playing with numerous all stars and Stockton a true point guard he need to be higher
I would take Isiah Thomas as my PG in any playoff series if Magic Johnson wasnt available. The guy was a bully while being the smallest player on the court most of the time. A winner at any cost #respect
It's TRUE russ is different animal compared to russ theres no quit in russ 1000 mph on 365 days a yr d rose athleticism was not out of control like russ
Not worried about Curry’s longevity. The very last thing you lose is your shooting, and thats Curry’s greatest asset besides playing offball. If he gets 35+ I can see him being a great 3rd option in a young team as a consistent knock down shooter, that can doesn’t need the ball to be effective.
My opinion this list is bias on some stats and “playoff importance” as you don’t look at how good all around player or defends player is, as I’m not gonna say this is terrible but there is a lot of bias on what do you call someone better, is player better due efficiency and consistent play on both side or awards with championship and high point scoring with high stats.
frl. he didnt put jason williams on here when he fathered kidd and nash. look at his highlights and you’ll see that he was literally, best passer in nba history
Flight gonna be pissed if it's not all family members of Steph Curry 1-10 😂
@@theknickfan881 Fuck off with your self promotion
@@UofMMan357 it worked wtf youre the real deal my guy
look at curry man
Marquez Howard I would not like to sub and I would like for you to please stop promoting your videos
@@sw120 Thank you, it's fucking annoying no matter how humble you think you're sounding
gary payton is underrated
Yeah. He should have been on the list over Westbrook. Also where's Bob Cousy? LOW probably has not even heard of him...
@@Zamppa86 Are you joking?
Payton, cousy and Frazier honorable mentions on my list
@@StrawHatTunechi he said Payton over Westbrook 💀💀
Walt Frazier and Dennis Johnson too
“Stockton is low bc his stats didn’t lead to much winning” *puts Westbrook at 8*
Whose stats were more of a case of individual excellence over longevity within a system.
Stockton played with karl malone almost all his career
The absolute disrespect to Stockton
@@izzy031096 facts I damn near I had to turn the video off
@@Professional_street_hustler I did bro, if he’s not in your top 3 pg of all time I ain’t listening anymore
LOW: I have Oscar at 5 bc of the Era he played in
Also LOW: Jerry West is #2
Gotta love the consistency
@@Maximillian200HP right lmao
That's just a 3 spot difference.
- lol. Agree but at the same time, LOW pointed out that Oscar had the stats but not going deep into the playoffs while West had the stats and went deep into the playoffs.
Without advanced stats, it is hard to evaluate pre 1980s greats. They didn't pick all-time defensive teams until 1969-70 when West was 31yo or record steals (until '73-74 in West's final year). So here we are barber-shopping...
Thinking the same man
Stockton at 10 that would piss off a lot of people
I’m not a stockton fan but fr 10 is just disrespectful
Like me he crazy 😂 nash over Stockton really
@@justaoldsoul6132 stockton is the most overrated player of all time. Rusty buckeys explains it well
@@dylanlabadie130 But russ isnt overrated he got an MVP he doesnt even deserve and he too has been bounced out the first round with him as the leader with help he had paul GEORGE and victor Oladipo ironically both guys who are doing way better without him. Even CP3 without any big name superstar or all star has the OKC thunder at the 6th seed and is establishing a great culture over there at okc practically by himself. Russ is THE MOST OVERRATED POINT GUARD EVER. But low gave it to him because he has an MVP. At least john Stockton with another great player can make the finals TWICE and on top of that okc made the finals in a lockout year the very next year they got bounced out the 2nd round with KD with him. But without KD he do the same thing cp3 is doing but way worse. But hes over Stockton who with another great teammate made the finals twice. That karl malone arguement is inadequate cause when karl left Stockton he went to the lakers and made the finals UNDER SHAQ AND KOBE. John stockton is better than russ he should at least be 6 or 7. Steve nash is great but he never made the finals in an equal as tough conference as the west was in the 00s and the 90s and steve had help that whole system was based around him. Stockton is at least 6th or 7tj
@@donnyjones6717 The thunder were consistently top 5 with russ and victor oladipo was not good on the thunder
If Smush Parker is not here, Imma rage
Joseph Lee and Johnny Flinn😤
How DARE u not mentioning ALEX CARUSO
Marquez Howard shut up and stop self promoting asshole
@@beanman3952 what the fuck are u so mad for
Air Isaac he is self promoting on other people’s vieeos
At number 10.. John Stockton
You done messed up right there.
@Et Accurate? Excuse me wtf?
@@leos_27 exactly! Stockton at 10 is ridiculous! He should be at 2 or 3!!
@Et Bro hes 1 all time in assits
@@jasonwaznak5825 ok now he's higher than 10 but he isn't 2 or 3
Yohanis Yehuala I have Stockton around 4th all time pg
Great video good list
You can hear LOW's southern accent come out when he says "point" 😂
And “you(‘)r(e)” and “guard”
Marquez Howard Shut the fuck up please
@Marquez Howard Fuck off
Steph: *plays 10 seasons 7 of those being elite seasons*
LOW: "Thats not good enough"
future hofer 2015-2019 were elite. So u got that flipped. He played 11 seasons too so u clearly don’t know much about curry. So he had 4 good seasons and 7 seasons that were basically just dealing w injuries or developing his young talent...
@@brendanl.6220 2013 he was an elite, all-star level point guard. 2014 he was an all-star, and widely considered around a top 10 player. 2015 to 2019 he had all-time great seasons, was the best point guard in the league, not even close, and was a top 3 level player. His 11th season he played 5 games.
@@riqui5406 nopes, he was only elite from '16, he only won his 1st mvp because of team record,
@@riqui5406 I dont know if you're saying that the 2013-14 was an elite curry or that an 2012-13 was an elite curry, cause saying that 2012-13 curry was elite is just flat out dumb. Even saying 2014 curry was "elite" is dumb. Just because he was an all-star that doesn't mean he's elite and a "top 10 player" lol.
@@genermanaloto6509 I mean...yeah..that's how you win MVP buddy....Be the best player on the best team, lol? Unless youre doing something that hasn't been done in decades, like averaging a triple-double, then you're not winning the MVP unless you meet that criteria.
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My list is going to be way more accurate than yours‼️
How you only got 1 like agent😂
5 likes
I think everybody think you’re fake cuz you don’t have that check mark thingy
That’s tough
*ackreate
The Point Guard position is arguably the hardest position to rank all time
SG is easiest I always found center really hard tho, with guys like hakeem and shaq who are hard to compare imo
FTC FlightTeamStandUp Oh for sure I agree with that logic like LOW said, the Center position has probably evolved the most especially in the modern NBA. Center is definitely the deepest position in NBA history as well. With any all time rankings it really is hard to compare guys across eras. Especially comparing someone like Jerry West or Magic Johnson to Steph Curry.
@@bryanryder7196 exactly, fitting older dudes like bill russell, wilt and west is always harder than ranking current ones.
@@ivorpadjen2131 Sf and C both hard too
Yeah but John Stockton is better than Russel and Chris Paul sooooooo.......
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Lmao they forgot to turn on the camera
4:13 did he say porn guard lmao
😂😂😂 he really did say that
NAHHH NO WAY 😂
Jerry West played a whole game of basketball and his hair never got messed up
Thats insane
Me: * wondering wether Nº3 will be Stockton Robertson or Thomas *
LOW: Stockton 10 Robertson 5 and Thomas 4
@@benperez8291 no really best passer of all time and a amazing defender
@@johnnyoutlaw7068 not even close to the best passer
@@bradyd2270 well has to most assists all time magic was a better flashy passer and had better teammates and why would you say not even say that knowing his assists numbers
@@johnnyoutlaw7068 assists dont tell passing skill watch a rusty bucket video
@@bradyd2270 actually that's why they keep the stat
Nobody:
LOW: F u r t h e r m o r e
@Marquez Howard just stop it
Stockton, one of the most underappreciated players ever, along with Moses, Elgin Baylor and pistol Pete.
dam u could have said moses malones last name
Otherwise, this was a good list! I'm glad you gave Isaiah Thomas the respect he deserves! My top 5 point guards is Magic, Curry, Thomas, Robertson, Stockton. Jerry West is a shooting guard.
“Where’s Curry at.” Look at curry man.
inspirational
Yeah he lost me when he put Stockton at 10
Should be third
Stockton threw the ball in the air and Malone dunks it every single play😑
Stockton is trash
Purely stupidity!!! You will never see a list with Stockon at 10 for greatest PG
Stockton, Kidd and westbrick are all better than Nash
Just remember that before the Jazz played and lost to the Bulls in the 1998 Finals, John Stockton and the Jazz _swept_ the Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference Finals - a Lakers team that had both Shaq and Kobe playing for them. As a point guard, John Stockton is vastly underappreciated and underrated.
Let's not act like that was Kobe prime man.
Kobe wasn’t even that good back then
@@jcmaybenot oh he was in his prime. He actually went to the all star game in 98 too. And he was also at his athletic best. Only thing people can say was Phil Jackson wasn't there yet but the Lakers had the more athletic talented team than the Jazz and they still beat them.
@@kennylopezjeetkunedo5555 no he wasn't in his prime, and he went to the all star game because he was a talented young star on the Lakers. Kobe's prime probably starts from 01 to 10. Anything before and after are definitely not years you can call his prime, furthermore 98 wasn't even a HOF level season from him, which he had about ten of...so no it wasn't close to his prime. His best years can be argued as either 06, 03, 04, 01, 08, or 09.....but his sophomore year in the league he didn't even average 16 pts a game and averaged less than 10 in thr playoffs.
@@jcmaybenot he was also wasn't starting even though he was one of the best on the team at the time with Eddie Jones so he was actually even more dangerous coming off the bench at the time. So a lot of people will say that because he wasn't starting but he definitely was at his athletic best in 98. And regardless of what anyone says, the Lakers had a more stacked squad than the Jazz did in 98, and the Lakers were far more athletic than the Jazz was. I'm only bring that up because a lot of people from this generation talk about how athletic all these players are today and being more athletic doesn't mean you're the better team or better player.
Jerry west lost in the finals like 8 times
Yeah and lebron is fairly close to that number but he's still the greatest SF ain't he?? I'm not defending his position on this list but that's not a valid argument.
Prophet_ 2059
Well lebron won 3 and and lost 6 so it’s not really a valid argument to compare Jerry to lebron
@@Niberi702 I'm not comparing, I used him as an example to devalidify your comment. It apparently doesnt matter how many times you lose in the finals.
Prophet_ 2059
You are most definitely comparing if you weren’t comparing what was the point of even bringing lebron into the same category as jerry west
@@Niberi702 what was the point of mentioning jerry west losing in the finals?
Sheesh as soon as I saw Stockton 10 I was like in typical LOW fashion he starts out controversial lol. I agree he’s overrated but 10? Aw man I can’t go that far maybe 5-6
Mike Watkins Jr Cousy>Stockton I don’t understand what this comment section is on
#1 all time in assists and steals, and nobody is even CLOSE. Nobody will ever touch his assist record his type of longevity and consistency at the point guard position may never be seen again
@@CodeineAbdulJabbar His assists were largely what's called Rondo assists. Where the pass doesn't actually make the bucket easier to get, but relies on the receiver to do most of the work.
This shouldn’t be an argument purely based on statistics if we’re discussing the greatest point guards in history. It’s not a discussion of the greatest statistical accumulators in history. Cousy was a winner, a teammate, and an ambassador above all else. He’s a great comparison to Curry today in terms of impact and pushing the game of basketball forward, more so than Stockton ever came close to
@@VictorFPoB No...John Stockton broke guys with his superior cardio, you didn't get easy minutes with Stockton he would speed up or slow down the game and break his opponents. More impressively he did all of it at elevation.
I swear someone’s gonna be like “where’s drose???” Lmao
nah, WHERES JASON WILLIAMS AT?
@@Bri.ThaRapper i love jason williams but i wouldnt blame anybody if they dont put him in their top 10. Jason surely is my top 3 fav pg to watch. Tied with magic. I like watching curry and prime rondo and cp3 more.
without the injuries hed definitely be a top 5 pg all time at least by 2015
WHERES ALLEN IVERSON
@@ad0nisss__ he's considered a sg
Great! Great! Best nba list I seen so far sooo so accurate much respect 💯
@LB8750 didn’t ask
@LB8750 wait why as long as curry number fuck it
@LB8750 ay bitch u commented on my comment u weird wtf
You have to do shooting guards next
More like top 10 hybrid players, amirite Kendrick Perkins
😂😂😂
lol
myhowtos789 W
Also, Big O average a triple double on a mediocre team.
If u eliminate dirty players u can drop Isaiah Thomas. That whole team wasn't just physical they were dirty, undercutting guys, etc.
My top 10
1. Magic Johnson
2. Stephen Curry
3. Isiah Thomas
4. Oscar Robertson
5. Jerry West
6. Chris Paul
7. Jason Kidd
8. Steve Nash
9. Gary Payton
10. Russell Westbrook
not bad
Minimal Interest not a curry fan, but he should’ve won the first finals MVP
@Minimal Interest he averaged 28-6-5 on 49/48/86 shooting from games 3-6 and put up 26-8-4 in game 1 on 50% shooting. Game 2 was his only God awful game
Minimal Interest Unanimous MVP?
yourfavoritepizzaboy exactly what I’m saying and people say Andre guarded LeBron. Yeah he did but LeBron still averaged 30 + , 6 + , 6 +
I Already Know Why You Got John Stockton 10th...SMDH....I Ain't Mad Tho,Still Liked The Vid.Keep It Up Man!
didn’t expect westbrook. surprised but definitely can agree with it
You said John Stockton spent almost all his career with the Jazz, but that’s the only team he played for
Mitchell equals Idiot no he said John Stockton played for the Jazz for his almost 2 decade career. He played 19 years which is almost 2 decades
He also was talking about playing with Karl Malone that they spent almost all there career together
Idk why Chris Paul gets labeled as a choker, if you realize he’s always been there like LOW said he just gets injured and the worst times, like in 2018, had Chris Paul not been injured then the rockets would’ve been nba champions
Somregularguy durability is arguably one of the most important traits. What good would all the great ones be if they were hurt all the time deep in the playoffs? Imagine, there would be zero GOAT talk if Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Shaq, Duncan. Arguing because he would PROB have a ring is insulting to the greats who won every year he could have. They were greater because they were more durable. They took care of themselves better and they were stronger. It’s facts bc they WENT LONGER.
He literally stated not long ago CP3 stats had best playoff efficiency in the last 10 years smh Low is so bias
You had me until nba champions in 2018 if the rockets would’ve won with cp3 healthy, how come they couldn’t win last year when Durant went down?
Chris Paul himself is not a playoff choker, his body does though.
Fax
I have no words
Jerry West over Cousy, Robertson, and Curry what a joke
Jack Johnson Cousy got a better regular season and playoff win percentage. Cousy got more championships. He’s got more playoff appearances, more MVPs, and more All Star game MVPs. Cousy made everyone around him better because he was a better passer. Cousy also beat West in the finals
West>curry
Allen IVERSON doe
trueee bruh i agree with you
I mean..... thats not far off. Curry and West is interchangeable but he's definitely better than Cousy and Oscar
The John Stockton disrespect is unreal
Caleb_ _MTZ how he’s overrated as fuck
He’s only good Bc he got to play with Karl Malone, and the system he played in. Very good player but overrated
@@outlawstarjoseph8064 yeaaa the most assists in history, most steals in history, 2nd all time ast avg, top 10 all time, 5 all defensive selectiona, shot 50% from the field = overrated
Bret Maverick inflated assist, watch the tape, he just threw the ball the Malone
Bret Maverick HES a slightly better rondo
NASH my guy, hands down nash had one of the most unguardable layups of all times. That is still being used by a couple guards in the league today!
John Stockton is assist all time leader.. all time steals leader.. he lead league in assist 9x .. he is so underrated..
Yes
yeah because he dished to Malone all the time lol, and Malone more often than not is gonna score when heading to the basket, he was too strong to stop one on one, dude was built like a tank
@@HiNRGboy omg shut up
The Russell Westbrook placement shook me. But when I thought about it I couldn't think of any real reason for him to not be up there, or really anyone to go over him. I don't know why but that's just kinda crazy to me
He steals rebounds, gets mad assists because the defense focuses on him more than they should? he cant shoot volume at a high clip from outside and he lives at the rim. Hes devastating on the drive like we have never seen and his ability to finish at the rim is crazy. but hes been stat hunting on teams to pad it out.He's not a PG IMO. hes a scoring guard that can make plays secondary. He can average 10 assists for his whole career and never get close to the record. I like to separate the scoring PGs and the facilitators.
@@epictnt russ is a different breed
When it’s all said and done it’ll be 1A. Magic 1B. Curry then the rest
I agree, but we don't know how much Curry really can play at this all-time great level. He's already missed this season cause of a hand injury + his ankles are like paper. The GSW core is getting older and every single team in the west and even in the east is getting better. Are they still a championship contender? idk, we'll see, but I don't think Curry can win another championship unless something major happens or somebody chokes, like the injuries to the cavs in 2014 - 15 or the choke job by the Thunder in 2015 - 16.
If Curry doesn't ball out and win another 1 or 2 titles, he would be stuck at top 2 PG of all-time. Pretty damn great to be second only to Magic, but yeah no FMVP will be an issue when we talk about top all-time rankings.
sWampY bro when’s the last time curry had a ankle injury that made him sit for 2 weeks plus... it’s been like 5 years
@@isaaccalalang7832 Bro has played less than 70 games for the past 3 seasons, and he missed this season cause of a hand injury.
He's getting up there in age and the fact that his ankles aren't durable isn't going to change....
Facts, I think curry will win another championship and he’ll be an all star for like 5 more years or if he gets lucky 6 more but I definitely agree with you
Isiah was amazing but the narrative that Isiah beat Bird, Magic, and MJ in their primes is overstated considering that in the:
88 series vs Boston, played well while Bird suffered due to bone spurs on both feet
89 series vs Boston, he averaged 12 points on 33% shooting while Bird missed the season due to surgery to treat aforementioned bone spurs
89 Finals vs LA, Dumars won FMVP while Byron Scott didn't play and neither did Magic after 1.5 games
88, 89, and 90 series vs CHI, he shot 40% and below each series
Doesn’t matter. He did it. A win is a win, no matter what road he took to get there. And if ur gonna use nuance, use it for everyone not just him.
Him and Dumars still lead that team, the majority of credit goes to them
yourfavoritepizzaboy and what about 88 ecf? He avg 23 points on 45% to beat them in 6 while bird had a shit series?
@@TheIcemanthomas Well you have to add context or else IT would be gaining a lot of clout for stuff he didn't do.
He beat them sure but to say he beat them in their primes or he dominated them on an individual bases is just a flat out lie.
@@TheIcemanthomas because most people already know the narratives surrounding other great point guards but when we talk about Isiah the #1 case that gets brought up for him is that he beat 3 top 10 players in their primes. That's like me claiming that Steph beat LeBron 3 times in his prime without adding any context. No hate
I think the best way to measure a player is to base it off defensive and offensive ability. Being good at one thing should disqualify them. A well rounded player is one that will give your team a chance to win
Good list!!! 👍🏽
PF:
1. Duncan
2. Dirk
3. Garnett
4. Karl
5. Barkley
(McHale is 6)
ViperProYT i respect this cuz this what I love to see in LOW’s comments. Other people that think just like low cuz everyone that watches these videos aren’t complete absolute fucking potatoes that think they know what they talkin bout but they don’t, but again, I like that pf ranking
Facts
ViperProYT low key I would put Barkley above Karl
ViperProYT fair
I'd move Karl to N°2 but the rest seem pretty accurate
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you being a boston fan i would think you would say cousy
No, Steph is two and we’re is Gary Payton. He is so underrated
Isiah or curry at 2
It's his opinion, either he hates gary or isn't that great of a player for HIM
@@zeflr122 Curry hasn't even played 15 seasons yet Jerry has a finals MVP and curry doesn't
@@maryblazer7820 whos the hell is jery
Gary ?????????? Lmfao
No Earl Monroe or Bob Cousy? I don’t see Chris Paul being this high, but it’s your list. Nice video.
He don’t agree with west at 2 and I’d rather him be considered a 2 guard. Also I think stock should be higher but otherwise this is a decent list. One of the more knowledgeable ones I’ve seen.
CPGoat #3 Stockton is becoming more widely regarded as an overrated player
A Different Perspective not to the players. The players show nothing but love for stock. It’s only causals and you tubers ever spread this Stockton distain
@@TheIcemanthomas real talk though mans was playing with another top 5 player in their respective position and still never won a ring and was #8 i believe as the highest in mvp consideration nothing against him but i do think his longevity propelled him in the pg discussion
IDK why people think Jerry West was a 2 guard when he played most of his career at the PG position.
btw. Its me, I'm people.
sWampY he’s a combo. He played the 1 out of necessity more than it being his natural position.
Bruh even if Curry’s career ended today he’d still be the second best PG all time. Nothing against Jerry West but Curry’s just better
Ryan Davey please shut the fuck up, please
I think so too
Ryan Davey Bruh hell nah curry is great but ain’t no jerry
What could Jerry west do better than curry
@@nickyinricky you gotta chill
Great list. I have Curry 2 Isaiah 3 other than that we think pretty much the same.
Can you do top 20 please
The disrespect to Stockton smh
Ronaldinho10, i agree. Poor guy. m.czcams.com/video/8C9mM9jFKbE/video.html
@@theknickfan881 stop self promoting dumbass.
Seriously I went straight to comments after this blasphemy lol
Crazy
Shouldve been 11
How do you have Jerry West over steph Curry bruh really he's the undoubtedly 2nd best PG ever
@Marquez Howard yea can you sub to me and shout me out since I subbed to you, liked and commented?
@1995 GetJiggyWitIt ha
1995 GetJiggyWitIt how.
1995 GetJiggyWitIt better playoff performer? Steph averages 6 more points than Thomas in the playoffs, averages more rebounds per game, shoots a higher percentage from 2, 3 and from the FT line. Steph also has more rings. Thomas averages 2.5 assists per game more and another steal per game. Thomas has the most memorable series of the 2 (88 finals on one leg), but his finals numbers don’t compare to Steph’s numbers. Go and check for yourself. The 88 series, Thomas only averaged 19.7 ppg, even after scoring 43 in game 6. He had a 10 point and 13 point game. Statistically speaking Curry is the better playoff performer. Championship wise Curry is the better performer. Finals numbers Steph is better, and they should have the same number of finals MVP’s (15 should have been Steph’s). Better passer and defender yes I’ll give you. Steph is a better shooter, scorer and has completely changed the sport, something Thomas never even came close to doing. As for better leader, which player led their team to an all time best 73-9 record? You have nothing to back up your claim that Thomas is a better leader, as Steph has led his team to greater success than Thomas.
@1995 GetJiggyWitIt ok steph is a better passer let's get that straight a way better leader because of the simple fact that he had the best offensive season ever and was willing to take a step back when kd arrived for the betterment of the team and Isiah has as many bad playoff games if not more then steph
This is a very difficult list to do & Im cool with it
altough i would replace Stockton with Paul
bro, i almost cut the video right off as soon as u had stock at 10. How old are you? ok im going to try and watch the rest now
So we’re not gonna bring up Jerry west’s 1-8 finals record?
F ten so only Jerry west and magic Johnson can talk about basketball because they made 9 finals?
Was Jerry West not known as mr. clutch? Was he not finals mvp in spite of losing? He had to go against Bill Russell’s Celtics. He was insane in playoffs
He had top go against the bill Russell celtics though
No one calls Jerry West the GOAT.
@nKosi Ama Kosi Yes that's an actual fact.
Jason Kidd was so versatile. If you wanted him to get his coach fired, he could do it. If you wanted him to get a DUI, he could do it. Hell if you wanted him to assault his wife, he can even do that.
i got curry second but i agree with your list good list
List would be perfect if you realize most people see West as a shooting guard lol
Solid list. I disagree with some of the placement (I'd have Nash higher, West lower mainly) but this things are opinions for the most part. I'm also surprised you got CP3 so high.
Lastly, Curry does have a very real shot at tipping this list. It isn't a sure thing, but if he rattles off a couple more chips in the next 5 years, that'd be huge. More likely, the decline sets in and the Dubs set in to the middle of the pack. But I think its possible they make a serious run over the next couple years (if things like... get back to normal).
Anyway, great vid. Thanks for the great content!
Where is Tony Parker??
4 time NBA champ
6 time All-Star
2007 finals mvp
James N you smoking that dope dope if you think Tony P is a top 10 PG 😂
Tony parker is literally only known because of tim duncan
Dark Reaper Edits I think his contributions to that Spurs team really propel his legacy past what it would’ve been anywhere else. For his career he was a 16 ppg and like 6 apg guy in that spurs system with a couple 20 ppg seasons, elsewhere I think it’s fair to say he probably would’ve been a low teens kind scorer and 4-5 assist guy, which is still a good career, but not one in top ten PG conversation. Maybe two or three all-star selections and for the bulk of his career he’s known as a high-level role player and borderline all star
Dark Reaper Edits I think the era he played in was huge for him too. Like in today’s NBA with his small frame, lack of crazy athleticism, and no real outside shooting (for his career he’s a 32% 3pt shooter on 1 three attempt per game), he’d probably be like a 12th man, if he was even able to keep a roster spot😂 but then again it’s hard to put players in different eras too, so you know it’s kind of moot.
Marc Bibanga And clutchness is one of the intangibles of players in any sport that really elevates a player. I don’t disagree with you. I’m just saying in a hypothetical scenario where he never goes to San Antonio and plays in that system and we possibly never see him deliver in crunch time; he’d be remembered a lot differently. Projecting his talents in practically any other situation I think his career would’ve been less prolific.
stockton holds the highest career assist and steals up to this day, and prolly never gonna be broken
Honorable mentions? The Glove, Walt, Bob and...D Rose (if he had been able to avoid the injuries).
West over Curry?!?!
Curry should differently be 2nd. I think he might be trolling Flight
@NOLAY AUSTIN AI is a shooting gurd
@NOLAY AUSTIN Jerry West played only 3-4 seasons of SG, all the rest we're PG
West Carried Lakers to Game 7 with 44 points triple double while curry choked and blew 3-1 lead
@Jarell Draughn battling with the Prime Celtics and Knicks is harder than fighting 1 man team Cavs yet still blew a 3-1 lead
Me: **sees top ten point guards vid, looks interesting**
LOW: **puts John Stockton at number 10**
😐😐😐😐😐😐
Becomes more interesting.
Hes overrated watch more basketball you probably think hes top 3 hes not casuals think Stockton is so great he is but compared to steph hes not as good
Bruh Man I was literally thinking the same thing.
she want me stop it, arguably the greatest floor general ever, all time leader in steals and assists. And he’s one of the most underrated clutch shooters.
@@kanyecrazy7440 the assist are easy he gets it to karl and he can get 10 assist from that hes overrated put steph curry on that team with karl malone they would have won in 6
Not a bad list, though in my opinion i have two main issues:
1) Ranking Jason Kidd over John Stockton: Stockton and Kidd I see as mirrors of each other. They are both extremely intelligent pass-first point guards, virtually identical in every way except that Stockton leads Kidd in all time in total assists, total steals, shooting percentage, 3 point percentage, FT percentage, total points etc. (And seeing as they both had similar longevity, I can use total stats in this case as a fair comparator. Stockton also generally performed better in the play offs and really only loses to Kidd in terms of rebounding and having won one NBA championship.
2) You do not even have AI as an honorable mention in either your PG or SG lists.....where....is....Allen Iverson? His impact on the league is undeniable and he has probably one of the best 10 year stretches that any guard his size has ever had in the nba, bar none.
JERRY WEST OVER STEPH CURRY?!?!? We have to do better🤦♂️
He’s changed his mind.
Jerry West is the logo. I agree that one or two more great years then he moves ahead of West. Also, while Westbrooks stats are great U think they are a bit misleading. While the triple doubleshot are impressive, his field percentage is pretty low and he averages over 5 turnovers per game.
@@lanceyamashitastop10lists48 1-8 in the nba finals
@@BravestOfTheBrave the losses were to the Celtics, a stacked deck. No free agency in that era, so it was vs. Bill Russell, Casey Jones, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, etc. year after year.
Ikr
Bruh you had Jerry west over Steph Curry 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
Jerry West played a whole career of great play. Curry only has been dominant for 5 seasons
its debatable curry will most likely be over him by the end of his career
Hermitcraft 7 currys 5 seasons are better than jerry west’s entire career
J0EY Hz You’re high asf
AARON MADE THAT he’s right tho
I don’t see how Stockton the all time leader in assists is 10
Lachie E makes zero sense
He is a hater of people that put up "empty stats", great numbers that dont equate to championships.
Because his stats are inflated. His assists are because he was lucky enough to play with a healthy Karl Malone all of those years. I wouldn't even had John Stockon on this list... I would have included Gary Payton on here instead.
His durability which led to those numbers plus his assist were to Malone most of the time he wasn't flashy and had no left he went from a pure scorer in college to an assist leader the minute he touched the Jazz roster same with the guard before him it was the system that got him all those assists and steals
Stockton has legendary durability. Freakish, actually. But the man did not play winning championships basketball.
Clyde Frazier the consummate floor general should always be mentioned in top point guard lists.
John Stockton: All time assist leader, all time steal leader, 55/4800 NBA players in points all time, two finals appearances, played 19 seaons (Lebron has played 20 seasons so far) and never missed the playoffs, five western conference finals appearances, selected to play on the dream team. So just think about that... There's around 4800 NBA players all time, Stockton is 55th in points, 1st in steals, and 1st in assists. That's legend shit.
Yeah Stockton at 10 is outrageous and you put Russ above him too is even more outrageous
Yeah Some dude was told me Stockton hasn’t done what westbrook has come. Stockton has still accomplished more
Not a fact Westbrook made the finals to and has way better all around numbers with k.d his efficiency and turnovers Is Westbrook’s biggest flaws he also has an mvp where Stockton doesn’t so yes Westbrook is better
FragsToNice Stockton made the finals twice. John Stockton is one of the most efficient pgs of Alltime
FragsToNice please stop John Stockton is better , John Stockton is the Alltime leader in assists and steals . Nobody in their right mind would put westbrook ahead of John Stockton rn .
FragsToNice bc westbrook has an mvp he’s better stop your logic makes no sense . So Derrick Rose is better than Isiah Thomas and Dwyane Wade according to your logic
My prediction is he’ll have Stockton in the list but he will say nothing positive
No he did
King Khai Swazzy i said it’s a prediction
@@minocah1919 I know I was jus lettin you know
5 through 10 is honestly pretty interchangeable, the top 4 though are spot on until Steph Curry gets a bit more accolades and acclaim towards his end years.
J kids is my favorite pg I loved the swag he had on the court
I feel like John Stockton is starting to become underrated because of that vid by NBA Storyteller and Rusty Buckets. Yes, Stockton did have a left. Were his assist figures fluffed up? Maybe. But I’ve been hearing that about assists in general for most of my 40 years. The problem with Stockton other than not winning a title is he played so long that his prime was long forgotten by the time he retired in 2003. Prime Stockton is like 17pts/14 assists/3 steals on crazy shooting splits. Oh and don’t look now but the analytics love Stockton (.200+ career win shares/48 mins). He passes the eye test too. Great film in this list. He’s becoming oddly underrated.
Point 2: Chris Paul is most likely better than Isiah Thomas. I love the original IT but he has dirty efficiencies/very weak analytics. Also people mis-remember the bad boy Pistons. They won because of incredible balance on the team and Joe Dumars was likely the best player on the team due to similar offense and far superior defense and shooting. Jerry West said the same thing in-period. People remember IT’s no-defense pistons numbers with Kelly Tripucka years before Chuck Daly took over the Pistons and made them a more defensive, deliberate team. Great, great point guard though.
Third point: this must be greatest career and not necessarily best. Kevin Johnson, Derrick Rose (who KJ is basically a direct forerunner to) and Walt Clyde Frazier are better than most of the players on this list. Honorable mention to Dennis Johnson (especially the Sonics version).
The Jazz system made Stockton Stockton same with the pg before him they went from scorers in college to double digit assist in pro the whole gameplan was pass to Malone. And power drive or catch and shoot mid range plus playing passing lanes is of course gonna make more steals and the reason IT is higher is because less injuries and more post season success IT and Dumars were a nasty duo both being elite 2 ways especially for their size the whole pistons team were either pure defenders or elite 2 way players with IT and Dumars leading the way IT deserves to be higher than CP3
Ray Burks the funny thing about the video is that it showed John Stockton clearly doing more than what he said. At least in NBA Storyteller and Rusty Buckets’ vid it showed he only dribbling right and making basic passes to Malone. Prime Stockton’s steal numbers were too high to be just passing lane hawking. He was also a very good on-ball defender. I think it was just his unassuming way and low usage that have people eager to knock him down. It’s not unlike Tim Duncan where people shadow diss him “Kobe was better in the 2000’s”, if the Bulls ran it back they’d have won in 1999”, “ if Kobe and Shaq were not feuding, they’d have won more”. It’s the same thing happening with Stockton where he’s just cast aside with peripheral arguments or explanations as to why he did what he did that don’t apply to anyone else, really.
I won’t fight you on IT vs CP3. The eye test and for sure the numbers indicate CP3 was better. IT is probably the only great player with ~ .100 win shares/48 that everyone treats like you can just put him out there with any mediocre cast and they’d win at say, a 50 game/season level.
@@swpdisciple john and Malone rarely didn't play together and hes what number 2 i believe in scoring and stock number 1 in assist plus they were durable ash which would also increase those numbers and the amount of games Stock missed it is believable he'd be killing Kidd in steals jus playing passing lanes especially since him and Malone are the most durable people you'll ever see look at the pg before Stockton they were scorers in college then when signed by Jazz they were averaging low points a shit ton of assists and getting more steals put Stock on another team Malone wouldn't be number 2 in scoring and John would at least be top 7 in scoring John was a system player plus i was alive you watch them play so most the stuff Rusty said i already knew the boring game style is why i never really watched Jazz also i didnt say IT could make any team a 50 win team cause i clearly said the whole team was pure defenders or elite 2 ways being led by IT and DumarsCP3 had a great team in LA and Houston but was to injury prone and never made it far
Ray Burks Stockton was a system player to a degree but he’d still be good anywhere. He had enough of the mark price/Steve Nash archetype in his game where he’d likely be 17/8 for his career with high steals and efficiency a bit lower. Two points: Carlos boozer/deron Williams played the same role in the late 2000’s and put up similar numbers to Malone/Stockton but not quite. I’d say the difference was due to Malone/Stockton’s talent. Second point: in the 1997 western conference finals when the jazz appeared dead in the water, Stockton scores like 17 points in the 4th including the game winner to send them to the finals. He could score, but that wasn’t his role in general. 13 points on .515 shooting to me me is better than say IT averaging 19pts on .456. It’s just a matter of preference I suppose.
@@swpdisciple Stockton was a scorer turned passer by the Jazz any other team he'd average over 20 points he was a great scorer but he could never show case it in Utah due to the gameplan which was John gets the ball pass to Malone and he scores that shiz only the Utah coach at the time did if I'm correct he got fired i don't remember cause i don't follow the Jazz but if John was put on a team like Lakers or Celtics he would've been ur utilized as a scorer like in college
I was surprised to not see Allen Iverson on the list. I'd also rank Bob Cousy, who led the league in assists for 8 consecutive seasons while winning 6 titles and an MVP, over Westbrook.
Ppl consider AI as a shooting guard
Yes
Where would u rank Walt Frazier?
2:25 Doth mine eyes deceiveth me, or did John Stockton actually just go left?! 😮😮😮😆😅🤣
Honestly I don't think Westbrook deserves to be there as a top 10 Point Guard especially over John Stockton...
im cool with westbrook but i do agree stockton should be higher
Nah, he should be higher.
The fact that Bob Cousy isn’t on this list considering his accomplishments (MVP, 13 time all star, 6 TIME CHAMPION) and his incredible impact on the game of basketball (revolutionized the PG position, first modern style of play, first volume scoring point guard) is outrageous but otherwise it’s a good list LOW keep it up
Goose on the Loose where will he be if this was your list because I don’t think he is better than anybody on this list
Yeah but it’s hard to include him because unlike a lot of their nba legends, you can’t see a scenario where Bob Cousy could thrive in the NBA past the year 1980, let alone make the league.
Joseph TalksBaLL he would be my 10 over Stockton and I might make an argument to put him at 9 over Westbrook as well but that’s debatable to me
Ashanti Nyongo that’s a fair point but this isn’t listing the ten most athletic or most purely talented PGs of all time I don’t think it’s a list of the best NBA PGs in NBA history
Goose on the Loose bro have u seen film of him? I cannot take anyone serious that thinks someone dribbling on their knees could be anywhere top 10
I have Stockton at 5 in my opinion I feel like u gotta give him credit for how well he could pass and he was a winner he just didnt get the big prize
The reason the Jazz didn't win was because of Stockton always underperforming in the playoffs.
People hate him because they’re jazz haters
NO ONE ON THAT LIST HAS DONE WHAT RUSSELL WESTBROOK IS DOING
AND HE ISN'T FINISHED.
CP3 will always be the best true point guard I've ever seen, Mr Naismith probably created him and said "there will be a this game will turn into a sport where several flashy selfish players will play" and Chris Paul came to life
Stockton at 10? I’d put him at 4 or 5
Then you don't know basketball sorry guy he was better in college than NBA cause at least he was scoring a lot not jus being passive
Ray Burks he’s a point guard his job is to set up his team but I agree that if he scored more in the NBA he’d be higher
@@campusportal9718 a pg job is to be a playmaker not jus pass playmakers set up plays for themselves and the team a great example is curry he was a scorer in college the Jazz system is what made him a passer any other team he would've average 23+ due to his durability and scoring abilty he had but never used in Utah
Ray Burks bruh you stupid point guards don’t always need to score they make plays for their team meaning if he had to pass he passes. All you guys just care about the ppg. Its like you’re saying that point guards must have atleast 20ppg just to be in the top 10. Its like saying stockton nash kidd who are all pass first should not be in the top 10
@@gaarou8231 are you stupid or jus dumb? Did you read a single thing i said or jus comment? Playmakers don't jus pass they set up plays for themselves and the team i said this they mix scoring and passing like i said a perfect example is Curry Magic and CP3 if you only pass you're not a playmaker you're jus Rondo
Massive respect from putting Jerry West at #2 go watch that 1969 playoffs and he was clearly the best player on the court, and that court had Wilt, Russell, Baylor, and more.
Jerry West better than Steph. Mate, are you kidding me. 10 seasons. 3 Championships. 2 MVP's. Only unanimous MVP. 5 time finalist. Changed the game of Basketball forever.
i think you may be a little high on russ. of course, his amazing hustle and rebounding on top of very good playmaking and passing speak for himself, even though you have to mention stat padding.
but that point aside, his weaknesses are obvious and blatant: he tourns the ball over like none other, has throughout most of his career had poor descision making and is ridiculously inefficient. paired with his lack of post-season success relative to his expectations, i dont think he is any better than a guy like gary payton
Russ is a different breed we have never seen a player like nor I dont we will . His unique
1. Magic
2. Steph
3. Isiah
4. Oscar
5. Nash
6. Paul
7. Russ
8. Stockton
9. Kidd
10. GP
I have CP3 over Nash and Oscar over Thomas but yeah nice list
where's kidd
FTC FlightTeamStandUp 9th
@@dalton7726 my bad didn't see
This is a good list.....I would have placed GP over Brook BUT the reasoning for Brook being there is legit though.
ya point on stockton is crazy (him playing with Malone) you can't say that when Steph been playing with numerous all stars and Stockton a true point guard he need to be higher
I would take Isiah Thomas as my PG in any playoff series if Magic Johnson wasnt available. The guy was a bully while being the smallest player on the court most of the time. A winner at any cost #respect
Steph is more talented and just flat out better
Blatant disrespect to D Rose 2:44
“Never been seen at the point guard position”
It's TRUE russ is different animal compared to russ theres no quit in russ 1000 mph on 365 days a yr d rose athleticism was not out of control like russ
Not worried about Curry’s longevity. The very last thing you lose is your shooting, and thats Curry’s greatest asset besides playing offball. If he gets 35+ I can see him being a great 3rd option in a young team as a consistent knock down shooter, that can doesn’t need the ball to be effective.
Damn stockton is underrated af
My opinion this list is bias on some stats and “playoff importance” as you don’t look at how good all around player or defends player is, as I’m not gonna say this is terrible but there is a lot of bias on what do you call someone better, is player better due efficiency and consistent play on both side or awards with championship and high point scoring with high stats.
Ofc it's biased. That's what an opinion is.
This list is terrible !
frl. he didnt put jason williams on here when he fathered kidd and nash. look at his highlights and you’ll see that he was literally, best passer in nba history
B.A.L. Yeah but highly inefficient and turned the ball over a lot and played zero defense.
2:06 pass got me buggin
I feel like Cousy needs to be on this list. PGs is a tough list though. I think CP3 is the guy I'd have to cut. Or Westbrook.
positions a lil sketchy but the names seem accurate low-key disappoint rondo not on here but then again who would you take off