What is the best reloading powders?
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
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This video is all about reloading powder. Extruded, spherical, single and double base, and more!
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It's a labor of love with all of the experiment opportunities.
@@woodman8261 yep!
I too started reloading at 16 because of my Uncle. He was retired from the Navy and had been reloading for 20 years before he started mentoring me. I’m 40 now and the older I get the more I enjoy the hobby. The gift he gave me all those years ago is probably one of the best things anyone has ever done for me. He taught me to start in the middle of the data and work up. I too like ball powders CFE .223, Hunter, BigGame, TAC, Superformance and some of the new Winchester powers are my favorites. As far as stick powders I have had the best luck with Varget , 4831, and 4831sc. The best groups I have had were with 4831sc in various magnum cartridges but the velocity was horrible. I had a .3 inch group with a 7mag with a 150 grain bullet but the velocity was only 2750 the book said I should have had 2950 and my gun has a 26” barrel. From my own experience everything you are saying is correct.
I really appreciate the comment. We have common experiences and preferences.
Thanks again for sharing your time and experience. Give yourself more credit on reloading experience, you’re further along than a lot of folks. 👍
Thanks 👍
😃 Recently, Little Crow Gun Works Said It Best, "If You Can't Get a Gun To Shoot Wth H4831SC, Then You Should Part With It!" H4831 SC is Definitely My Favorite Powder - Temperature Stable, Great Accuracy, and Good Velocities!
@@ronlowney4700 good powder, but MagPro has outperformed it in my experience.
@@hopefulballistics Yes, Velocity Wise It Does - But, Not Accuracy Wise! I Have Some Too, But Still No Primers! 😭
@@ronlowney4700 that might not be true for everyone.
Now, What I Am Excited To Try is Reloader 16 (In My 270 in a 130 grain Bullet)! I Have to Wait Until Mid-August to Find Out If I Drew An Antelope Tag? @hopefulballistics
@@ronlowney4700 I hope you have success
I like what you said "It's a case by case basis." Case Volume, pressure tolerances, bullet profile, bullet metallurgy, barrel length and Primer type is equally important to powder choice. I use Ball powders allot in less than Overbore or Magnum cases to achieve maximum velocity consistent with acceptable hunting accuracy and terminal performance on game. As you stated, go by the manual instructions. Then the fun of reloading is to then take into account the published data and then tweak to the individual rifle for it's intended use. Good discussion.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I appreciate it!
One thing I have noticed after watching hundreds of videos on reloading is that a lot of emphasis is put on sd ,but when you see the groups that are produced the small sd versus the larger it seems like the larger sd is giving better groups. This is a puzzle to me especially if you're goal is small groups overall
@@robertmettler1910 I’ve had that happen many times
I think what you said about case capacity is why lots of handloadrs don't use Ball powders they can't get full case. But I could be totally wrong
@@user-gb8gg6ho4q I’ve had good experiences finding ball powders that had case fill.
Good vid mate, what would happen if you crushed all your powder up, cheers Yogi ✌️
Not good, lol
I have been able to achieve excellent results with most every powder I have ever used, whether it be single base extruded or double base extruded or ball. Sometimes it takes trying many different powder charges as well as different primers to finally find what I'm looking for. In today's world with all the focus on temp stability, many people scoff at the various spherical powders, which historically have been the most temp sensitive of all. But in many rifles I've had over the years some of my most accurate loads have been with ball powders. I'm not a high volume shooter and I don't compete in any discipline, so the extra fouling I get with double base powders is of no consequence to me. I will say, though, that anyone who really wants to be able to shoot a large number of shots before having to clean your barrel (such as in competitive or varmint shooting) will be much better off with a single base extruded powder. When accuracy is the most important criterion, you never know what's going to give you the very best accuracy. It just takes experimentation to find out - sometimes a LOT. But if velocity is the main concern, in every case a double base powder of some sort has always given me the highest velocity, and usually a slower burning powder for the cartridge that fills the case well. These loads are often quite accurate, too.
@@8MM.PRC.HUNTER well said, I appreciate the comment!
I reload for so many different calibers an bullet weights so i use many different powers but my go to has always been imr 4064
@@waynemayle865 nice!
Something to remember is that each rifle barrel and chamber are cut different and will have “preferences”. You can use 4064 and get 1” groups and switch to varget and hit 3/4” also bullet seating depth will help with accuracy. I do not target shoot rifles but absolutely search for clover leafs in a hunting rifle some I get it some I don’t and my hunting ranges are 200yds and closer with the emphasis on closer. Caliber is what I found tells me what to use also age of the rifle. Marlin 336 30/30 can handle more pressure than a winchester 94. I’ll use a wide variety of powders based on rifle and caliber. 7mag R22 is great but I have better accuracy with h4831sc and speeds aren’t much different. Got to experiment and follow the manual. Last point is like Paul Harrell says all cronos don’t agree….even sunlight will effect results with cronos at one point I had no pressure in 7-08 using h414 and recorded 3200fps obviously not a real reading and next day confirmed inconsistency. Use the powders that work well for you that’s why there are so many of them produced.
@@SalchiPapa73 good information, thanks
Good video. My favorite powders are the Vihtavuori powders. I seem to get good velocity and accuracy with them. You mentioned several times you don't get book velocity. Barrel length plays a part but I've had slow barrels occasionally I'll get one. I don't know why and Krieger and Bartlein can't explain why. Right now I have a slow 6.5 PRC and it's 100fps slower. It still hammers with many groups at .5 moa. Several years ago I had a slow 223 Krieger but it printed little tiny bungholes. You also said something about 30/06 and pressure. You tend to have more headroom with 30/06 above book max loads. SAAMI has the 30/06 at 60K but the 270 and 25/06 are listed by SAAMI at 63K and 65K. It's the same case!! So you can get away with exceeding max book suggestions.
Great comment, thanks
ball powder blc2,,stick powder 4064,work in 223,30-30 ,and 308,and 30-06. Varget equals compressed load in 308.
@@greybone777 got it, thanks!
In the west, we hunt elk, and deer get in the way. We are going out for a few weeks with temperatures from 50 to 0 degrees. The stick is much more stable for temperature changes than ball powder. There is a large difference in pressures in most stick and ball powders.
@@daleboatman1731 good luck
@@hopefulballistics Thank you
You mentioned trying out the Staball 6.5 - I think it would push Speer's Impact 190gr bullets really well, but nobody has load data for Staball 6.5 in a .308 - is that something you might be willing to try?
@@ericstites9470 true
This is why the 308 is great as a short barrel hunting platform.
Agreed
My favorite powders have been from Vihtavuori and Hodgdon.
@@nicholasbarcomb2324 right on!
You forgot the handgun reloading portion: Use something that meters well and skip Titegroup LOL.
@@adamhymas4620 thanks
I find I use a lot of H414 because I got eight pounds for cheap and it seems to work fine in everything I’ve ran it through. SD can be a little bad but it groups constantly. Besides that I use IMR 4831, IMR 4350, and superformace the most after H414.
Right on
I use the book as a guideline, using hodgden extreme 4831sc specifically book shows a max of blank, and the velocity was extremely disappointing, I worked 4 grains over that books “max” still no pressure, got the speed. Double base and varget I’ve seen velocities I expected; also I agree 100% on case fill discussion.
@@zackogden716 I’ve had similar experiences
What reloading manual are you using? I find the Sierra manual is usually spot on for my velocities.
Also i get pretty good velocities out of Magpro powder but had to dial it back for my 7 rem mag Browning bar2 safari. Didnt run into pressure but it was really slamming the action of the semi auto hard. Backed off around 200 fps and cycles fine
Online I use Barnes, manuals- Hornady, Nosler, Berger, Lyman.
@hopefulballistics I couldn't find Magpro in the Sierra manual but I get very close velocities for the 30-06, 270, and 2 7mm-08 I load for with IMR powder. Usually within about 25 fps of the manual. I use the Sierra manual app on my phone
Depends on rifle work up till see witness mark and back down 1 grain
@@ScottHolloway-wp2cx I hear you
I have the same problem
@@richardvanderwerf9579 interesting
I have not noticed the same phenomenon where double based powders typically achieve book velocities more readily than single based powders.
@@trevorkolmatycki4042 interesting, thanks
I'm 60 and dad sat me down at the press( pacific C) at 9 ,imr 4227 , about 1000 hornet cases. Sierra 40gr. Soft points 2.90 a box. It was alot of fun.
I loaded for a long time with nothing but IMR powder. 4064 4320 3031 and 4227.
When dupont made the powder the speed was spot on. I have noticed that the powder doesn't look the same.
And accuracy is harder to achieve. I have never really trusted the dual base powders. As they seem to be definitely more prone to temperature sensitivity.
Favorites would be Lil gun in the hornet. H 322 in single shot hand cannons. ImR 7828 (long cut original) in .257 WM.
Powder used to be controlled speed of burn wise by size and shape. If your new experience is a fine ball or flattened powder that looks like it would burn fast and it's supposed to be a magnum powder. Becareful seems like alot of other things have been added to control burn rate. Just my opinion.
@@JJ-qy8xu I appreciate you sharing your opinion
I would like to be able to speak to you my friend. And not type in public.
I was shown the results of a contender (.357 herrit) the guy was fire forming cases. If I remember correctly he substituted ImR 4198 with WW 296(a dual based ball powder). Big mistake!
The charge was way UNDER.
The results were extremely catastrophic. I do not believe you could duplicate anything close to this with any single based powder of correct burning rate by over charging.
Also I know for a fact that this 296 is very difficult to light. I believe there is a good deal of chemical retardant added to this powder as the size is quite fine and it should burn fast. However, it's a magnum powder that is needed to burn slow.
I stay away from this powder to this day I'm very leary of using dual based ball powders to this day.
When IMR powder was made by dupont all of the line worked very predictable. What I have used of Vihtavuori has work very well as well. Just wished they had Data for .257 Weatherby for their magnum powders!
Again just my opinion. Really love your channel!
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@@AmyBushnell-kx9fo interesting
RL powder is great but if you can’t get it or up to hundred dollars a pound then you need to check with something different
@@michealsmith4465 agreed
760 hy100 superform Hunter 😊
Aa2200 an 6x45 go together like PB&J
@@sethperry1323 nice!
Pressure... Progressive burning... As the pressure increases so does the burn rate. Double base powders will spike pressure faster than single base powders. Shelf life... I still have some WW 2 surplus Hodgden 4831 in the original paper cans. It is still good and has remained consistent over all those years 'n years. However. I had to dispose of all my Winchester rifle and shotgun ball powders after a few years. It went bad (read the mfr's data on how to check this, smell, red dust etc.). I only use WW 231 and 296, now, but only buy one lb at a time, tho. On the other hand, my RL 22 (stick) seems to stay good - so far. Worthy of note is comparing 296 to 4227 in the 44 Mag. The 296 always gives more velocity. But. Don't try to "+P" it. Jerry
I appreciate the comment
IMO, extremely low ES and SD is not very critical for big game hunting at typical ethical range limits, say 400m or less for example. It is always nice to have but SD’s in the single digits is more relevant for longer ranges beyond 400-500m or so.
Cheers!
@@trevorkolmatycki4042 I appreciate it
My top 3 powders are H4831SC, IMR 7828 SSC and RL-22. Unlike you... I can't get ball powder to shoot worth crap in my rifles. My friends 30-06 has liked Staball 6.5
Thanks
You've got some errant knowledge concerning which powders are double-base and which are single-base. All of the Hodgdon Extreme line of powders is double-base. In fact, most powders you use and have ever heard of are double-base powders. The exception is the older IMR stick powders, and one (possibly more) Hodgdon stick powder.
@@jasonshults368 I believe varget, h4350, h1000 for instance are single based. Am I wrong?
@@hopefulballistics You are not wrong
"The rifle powders are single perforated tubular propellants of single base composition" per ADI's website.
@@adamhymas4620 thanks!
This is great information! Thank you for that. But I can't watch desert dog. The random and constant pausing when he talks drives me nuts lol
Thanks for watching!
🙄 Unless Someone Has Been Doing a Specific Job (Full Time) For Decades, Then I Would Never Begin To Qualify Them As An "Expert" (Only Competent/Proficient/Knowledgeable, At Best)! Thus, Unless Someone Is Working For An Ammunition Company - As An R&D Reloader (Full Time) For 30+ Years, I Would Not Give Them Such A "Distinction"! We Have Very Few "Expert Reloaders"! 🤷♂️ The Term "Expert" Should Only Be Give To a Chosen Few - That Are At The Very Top of Their Profession! 👨🏫
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@@derekmcmurry thanks for watching, Derek!
@@hopefulballistics si senior no problemo
My takeaway from what I’ve seen of your videos is that you spend too much time chasing velocity and use far too few shots to make the judgements on what makes a good load. People who compete at a high level generally stick to the stable powders and don’t obsess over velocity because they’re traveling all over and shooting in all sorts of different environments. Ball powders are far more likely to fall out of an accuracy node because of those changes. They need consistency over hundreds of shots for a match or thousands for a season. Take a load you think is the bees knees because it was fast and consistent for 3 shots. Shoot 10 shots 3-4 separate times in different temperature and humidity conditions. Bonus if it’s raining. I think you’ll see your velocities, groups, and SD numbers become far less appealing and you’ll have a good shot of pressure showing up (particularly in the rain). I know your focus is hunting, but velocity is far less important than shot placement, if your hunting load changes from .8 MOA to 2.5 MOA because it’s cold and damp, then something as short as a 200 yard shot might go from DRT to marginal hit that requires a lot of tracking. The extra 100-150 fps doesn’t matter if your typical distance is far less than when the performance of the bullet becomes marginal. Ex: the extra 100 fps with the 130 ttsx doesn’t matter if you’re not shooting past 300 because the bullet is well above its threshold for expansion at a mv of 3000. That extra velocity doesn’t gain you more than a reduction in accuracy costs.
@@Snailz5 thanks for watching and commenting
He's not giving advice to " People who compete at a high level".
No, but those are the people to look to when trying to make the best ammo possible because they need performance way above what us schlubs do. If you just want to chase speed because more speed mean bigger hole mean more dead then have fun and enjoy finding excuses when shit goes sideways on a routine shot because your load got squirrelly.
I’d rather not get a comment than get these empty comments. It just seems like algorithm engagement pattering.
@@Snailz5 it's advice tailored to their specific needs. If you don't have their specific needs, there is a good chance that it doesn't help you.
What shooting sports do you compete in?
FClass Guys most shoot 7 PRC-W (6.5 PRC Necked up to 7mm) most of them used Double Based Vihtavouri N555
I as a Hunter it depends on what gives me the best results i use Ball and Extruded Powders
Lovex D073.5 (Ballpowder) i love for my 308 with 130gn Barnes TTSX or 150gn TTSX with D073.6 the best Velocity and Groups i have shot with my Gun are with these Powders
On the other Hand Vihtavouri N130 all day for my 223 with 55gn Blitzking, or Reload Swiss RS60 for many different others (30.06 270 7x64 243 ....) both extruded Powders
In Hunting Rifles nowadays with Shorter Barrels and supressors i look to get 100% Burnrate so i sometimes use Powders that are a little bit more on the offensive Side, yes Progressive Powders can give you higher Velocity but only if you have longer Barrels, the actual Trend to shorten Barrels and add a Supressor favors more offensive Powders
@@lenzadlberger I appreciate the comment