Pedestrianizing a College Campus with the Plazas and Promenades DLC | Verde Beach 101
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- Pedestrianizing a College Campus with the Plazas and Promenades DLC | Verde Beach 101
Hello everyone and welcome back to Verde Beach! With the release of the Plazas and Promenades DLC, it seems like a good opportunity to revisit the Goodall Institute and attempt to pedestrianize the university. The goal would be to make the campus more pedestrian friendly, more attractive, AND allow fire service to penetrate the campus. We're going to pull out all the stops to get this one to work, but I think you're going to like the end results. Enjoy!
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CHAPTERS
Introduction - 0:00
Developing a New Layout with 2U Roads - 1:17
Upgrading to Pedestrian Roads - 24:04
Landscaping Simulator 2219 - 34:38
A Small Pedestrian District - 42:20
Fire Protection Test - 49:34
Campus Tour - 53:22
Odds and Ends - 54:21 - Hry
At 27:55, the one-way street in front of the university main building on the left side is facing the wrong way. This will force all service vehicles to drive through the campus to leave.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed.
CPP, please notice this comment!!
Seeing that other people notice helps with the OCD :)
@@toprob20 my god, it feels so good!
Also the road on which you focused the sanctuary has blocked with traffic...
I wish vanilla cities skylines had more government building so when you want to build a capital city or country it can be more realistic
If you explore some of the content creator packs, you will find that there are quite a few unique buildings and service buildings that can replicate government offices really well!
i wish it had literally any japanese architectuuure 😭 community is carrying this game! most people have no clue how much back breaking effort creators put into japanese assests. having to make entire sets of props and buildings! im so happy we have them but i wish they didnt need to work so hard.
@@StarHorder Yeah this game is _extremely_ North American focused. You can make pretty realistic cities based on the US or Canada with vanilla+DLCs, but that’s it. Pretty lame.
I wish game team to consider a government service system that relate to the city itself population. you have to add the buildings of government services office to reach the demand from population and it can have a buff for that particular type of buildings, such as add transport department building will be improve public transport capacity, efficiency and AI of the driver. Security Bureau for every Disciplined service, such as police, fireman, ambulance, gov flight service, custom, immigration, Prison and so on.
Capital City would be a good idea for a future DLC. A good opportunity for interesting architecture too. (One content creator pack could do both Washington DC and Paris!)
I'm just imagining all those students going "oh man, I can feel the house literally moving, this is some seriously strong stuff." :)
🤣🤣🤣
I don't mind that you cover up the lumpies and bumpies, I'd just prefer if you maybe changed up what asset you used every now and then. There are several nice grass and flower options, or take a que from Imperatur and use rocks from time to time. Just throw some variety in now and again, even if it means a little more work, I think it will look nicer.
I finish typing RIGHT as you start using flowers to cover some of them... lol.
@@sccojake
Phil, you should consider applying the wall-to-wall zoning to the pedestrian area for residential and office only. That would allow the nightclubs of In Da Club to stay, but also get you some of those new wall-to-wall buildings sprinkled in.
Good idea! I'll do this!
If I recall correctly, the Campus DLC already includes trash teleportation - all the campus buildings can teleport their trash to the Admin building. I think the School of Environmental Conservation, unlike the primary buildings, is programmed to have its trash collected locally if it is on a road. Hence why the system freaks out when it's on a pedestrian road - the building is saying "I need local trash because I'm not on a path" but the road is saying "I can't take your trash if you're not in a pedestrian district".
One of the joys of this channel is when Phil is just barely not losing it. Hang in there Phil!
Haha, doing my best!
Bluestone would in my opinion fit best, since cobblestone just doesn’t fit for a campus and sandstone is way too bright for the darker grass and trees
Agree, sandstone feels super modern/corporate and (outside of the color) that vibe does not match with the historic nature of the university assets.
Bluestone fits nicely with the roof color of the campus buildings
I’d have to agree as well. I think it would make the buildings “pop” more.
Same opinion, bluestone fits better in my opinion with historic buildings, gives more contrast with facades too making them pop. Sandstone will be better in a modern office area or similar.
The panda sanctuary should be right next to the veterinarian school, honestly the Vet school should back up to the Zoo.
Neat!
Phil, for that misaligned dorm building near the curved road, you can make it realigned by deleting the curved road & extending the straight road, then place it on the new road section so it's now aligned with the rest of the dorms, then delete the new road extension and recreate the curved street again. Then upgrade back to a pedestrian road.
Campus building can also be freely placed -- they'll jump to dock to a road or path, but you can put them down *first* and then run the path or roads in and as long as you get to within about 1.5u of the edge, the building will work. So you can get away with just removing the curve to prevent the dock, putting the building in by eye, and then re-laying the road. It's also useful for avoiding the errors the game throws at you when you try to build against a curved road -- you can just back the buildings off just enough that they're not trying to dock, and freely plop them.
Yes please!
Good idea! I'll get that fixed!
Definitely a big fan of the bluestone for the university! It also looks best with the roofs of the buildings in my opinion. I haven’t bought the dlc yet, but I think I heard somewhere there were new 2u roads with wider sidewalks. If that’s the case, those might look nice outside of the stadiums to give a more pedestrian vibe while still allowing cars.
The roads you're talking about are part of the free update, not the DLC.
Last night I had an awful panic attack and my first semi-coherent thought to calm myself down was to watch your videos. Your voice is so calming and I love how much thought and care you put into your cities. Seeing you treat the little virtual guys as real people and doing even the most minor things simply because it would make real people happy fills my heart with joy. Please keep it up!!
I believe the policy for low speed traffic is affecting the bus routes on the ex-bike route and the big road thingy. Great job on implementing it on the campus, looks amazing, just gotta hope they fix the compatability of the dlc with the other dlc assets soon.
Ye that big road is probably not the best candidate for that policy
One thing that I realized while watching the stream is that you can actually solve the gate issue at the hamilton experience, too, by just bringing the 4u promenade up to the intersection but not touching it. IDK how easy that'd be without moveit, but I think that it's worth it for the effect that having the promenade leading directly to the entrance would give.
That would probably work, but I think we'd need pedestrian connections from the 4u to the road. I'll play with that a bit!
You should pedestrianize also the Lifestyle center!
Excellent idea.
This is absolutely happening soon!
Yeah, and maybe the 7th Street Farmers Market? Makes sense to me.
I love hearing you talk about your job. The anecdote about considering blue lights for that park and ride was super interesting
This DLC is so much fun to play with and what a creative way to use it in the campus, very cool. :) I just wish they had 1 unit pedestrian roads, that would have made it even better.
I completely agree! Would be a nice addition!
@@CityPlannerPlays maybe one day a talented asset creator will make one ☺️
One of the primary reasons you'd want to limit the number of connections between the city and campus is security. I think VCU (in Richmond, VA) is a prime example of a campus that is very integrated into the surrounding downtown area - and it definitely has its challenges with people "finding their way" into various campus buildings/facilities when they have no business being there.
Yeah I live there and VCU basically is the downtown lol, definitely causes some problems.
When I first heard about the dlc, I had no idea how impactful and full of possibilities it would be. Very excited for new content🙌
I so much love vanilla Cities Skylines, it shows how beautiful the game can be even at its base. And I just love the Roleplaying you do in Verde Beach Series, always am excited to see a new Verde Beach video!!!
I think the bluestone would look really good when nestled amongst the wooded aesthetic more than the sandstone with trees in the middle
I find sandstone more appealing near waters, especially at beaches.
28:00 you did the one ways wrong :D
I like the bluestone for the university.
You need to check your road directions in the lead up to your university entrance. Cars can go in, but can't get out.
On your new pedestrian bridge connection, plants are growing through the pavement.
You also forgot to add parking near the stadiums.
I think the best path choice is bluestone because it fits the esthetic in my opinion. ❤
Idea just hit me! A name for new pedestrian district could be made possible by some donations by a celebrity who already shows love in Verde Beach! Call it … Curtis Commons, brought to you by VitaminWater.
I love these so much. I love the new series and how exciting it is to see the new dlcs helping his past and current builds.
If I may suggest - whilst you did a great job on the landscaping, I think it would be nice to have some more verity of trees through the campus - maybe some of those light green trees that were there previously there and cherry blossoms would be nice for around the campus - as well as maybe a few more of the flower bushes around the campus as they give it a really nice aesthetic.
also I think it would be smart to add some more trees around the open study area as it is near the road, with a lot of noise and without many trees blocking such noise - may not be a very desirable place to relax and study thus the addition of some trees would really help solve that issue I think.
the sandstone paths added look great though and thank you once again CPP for another fantastic video 👍👍👍
@36:02 Phil, please be careful talking about the cons of blue lights while only taking into account the words of administrations on their efficacy and necessity. Such infrastructure that aids victims of assault are often hard for students to lobby for in the first place and cameras are often not sufficiently manned to prevent assault rather only confirm it after the fact. Blue lights have an ability to stop an attack, this is why they are spaced a few hundred yards from each other: if you are being stalked you can hit the call button on each light you pass allowing security to track your location often better than a camera operator at night. Perhaps in a park n ride this is less effective. But finally, most importantly, my word of caution applies particularly to what i heard to be almost an acceptance of “drunk college pranksters.” If students are prank calling a line designed for possible victims of assault, the fault is not in the infrastructure but in the lack of community education in the university. I love your content, in fact I hope this comment can feel similar to the way your educational anecdotes make me feel. I mean no harm in this message, my intention is only to help. I hope you have a lovely week and can’t wait for the next episode :)
I wholeheartedly agree - and I say that as someone who has used one of these (albeit on a college campus), and I personally feel far more confident parking in places where there is good lighting and any form of police/security communications- even in the age of cell phones, all because of that one experience over 20 years ago (I'm old). IRL, the argument could be made that they are less necessary in the age of cell phones, but batteries die, so a direct communication to help isn't necessarily bad, but you're correct that it's a cost/benefit analysis. That said, I dot assets that look like a call box on my college campuses in game 😆
I think for a building like this the use of Move It would be very exclusable, it would greatly improve the process of the video
It sucks that the different districts can overlap. The plazas one should really be it's own district.
But I assume it uses the same internal logic, since they all need their own main building thing to function.
Looking forward to Clearwater County returning to see what modders can do with the new DLC in the 'playing nice' department!
So excited to see this project! One thing to consider: do you need smooth curved connections for pedestrian roads? I wonder if you would have an easier time with your layout if you used more straight segments and less 90 degree connections
The pedestrian district should really be it’s own district layer. A 3rd district layer. You should be able to have a normal district, a industry/parks/campus district, and a pedestrian district. I think it was a mistake to make it the same district level as industries/parks/campus
I don't think it should be a district at all. What if instead you just have ped roads. They would work like normal roads, heavily reduced speeds. So you wont need a whole logistics complex (that CPP showed was fundamentally broken a few videos ago). And you won't have arbitrary buildings breaking down because of a weird road. I genuinely don't understand the point of the districting requirements for a ped road, and would love some enlightenment.
Will Kellerhouse be negatively affected by the new pedestrian area you made during the latter part of the episode? Going up Sterling Zoo Blvd intersects with Kellerhouse so not sure how the game reacts to that. Apologies if I'm incorrect about it though.
Love the finished product of this campus, looks splendid!
being a broke ass indian kid, this series almost let me act like im playing my favorite game of all time. Thanks a lot for quality content!
Nobody enjoys self-flagellation like CPP. You have far more patience than I could.
Also, I really hope Cities 2 handles terrain formation better, the weird jagged edges can be such eyesores.
bluestone matches the roofs of all the buildings, plus i love it
Great build today! I think as you are changing some of the city to be pedestrianised, you should make the new tourism area on the other island, pedestrian friendly. Well done today!
The Bob Ross of Cities: Skylines. So calming, thank you, Phil!
27:55 Phil, the road on the left side is facing the wrong way!
You're forcing the service vehicles to drive through the campus
I like the cobblestone or bluestone paths.
50:25 "and then we're gonna light a building on fire! maybe a couple!" - I was playing your video in the background and thought WTF when I heard you say that :D
Why they wouldn't put special effort into ensuring pedestrian roads work with the campus parts is beyond me.. campuses are more often than not the closest thing to walkable, pedestrian-priority areas in a city, especially for North America! It's obvious many people will immediately try to pedestrianize their campuses..
I like the cobblestone walkway, in the university setting, it gives a more prestigious and established look to the school.
Others may have said this before, but I feel like Phil is the Bob Ross of city builders haha. "Just a beautiful little connection right there"
"There are no mulligans. Only happy little accidents."
Very interesting district shape at the beginning there
I would recommend the Bluestone for the University. It's a good darker road, get some variation against the White buildings. Seems like an excessive amount of White stone in that area
The pads are so powerful!
The crooked dorm drives me crazy every time I see it though lol
Omg this campus is so wonky it hurts
I really like the bluestone ped streets. But I fully understand the attractiveness of the sandstone.
I like sand done it bring out the detail in stars around it. Like blooming at sandstone in front of the campus just fits it since it’s not a normal area
I used to do purchasing for a college of veterinary medicine. As the new location for the vet med building is entirely surrounded by city (and not fields) I have to assume it is a small animal hospital rather than a livestock focus. As such, I humbly request a dog park or three nearby for convalescing animals. It would also be a good way for the college to connect with local permanent residents. The whole vet med school and dog park could be named for Maria Lopez, the mother of the Lopez brothers and an animal lover who inspired her sons to make donations to the college.
Loving the new pedestrian streets, it was really missing from CS before, and VB is the perfect city to incorporate them into, so nicely done. Regarding which road to use - In Tel Aviv, they built a really nice plaza in front of our national theater (Habima Square if you want to look it up), and they used sandstone for the flooring, which looks really nice and bright. *However*, in practice what happens in the blazing Tel Aviv heat (that is similar to VB) is that the stones reflect all the heat and blinding light back, and since there's no shade in the square anywhere, no one can ever walk there during the summer. People avoid it and go to Rotschild Boulevard right next to it because that is shaded. So since you used palm trees in your campus that give very little shade, I would say that it would be better to use a stone that doesn't reflect the heat, but also something that doesn't absorb the heat too much like asphalt. So maybe the cobbled streets will be best.
this comment is a fascinating look into how city planners can overlook something that's actually a design-breaking side effect of their choices
Cobblestone paths need a very specific theme I feel to be able to fit, something like an old European village thats been upgraded over time to a city
Your new pedestrian district could be called Goodall Kinesiology Program, as if you had added another school to your university.
I love this channel!
49:35 Just looking at all that empty space between the pedestrian area and the collector, it really looks like the pedestrian area could be expanded outwards a little further towards it to make more efficient use of the inner city space.
With an area so close to the coast like Verde Beach, sandstone paths seems like the kind of cheaper local solution a government institution would choose.
Awesome video and tips on how to trick the game so to speak in vanilla. As a vanilla console player, I really appreciate that. One thing I did notice was on the one way circle in front of the campus admin building, one of them was facing the wrong direction. Secondly, I noticed at the end of the video with the readjustment of the bus routes, plus the district policy slowing down traffic on the north side of Kellerhouse, one of your two lane north-south collectors connecting the two sides is really backing up with traffic. That may either have to consider being upgraded to that new 2u 4 lane street from the DLC or trying to divert those bus lanes to the 4 lane road that’s already in place going over Kellerhouse. Sorry I can’t remember any of the street names; it’s pretty noticeable though so you’ll know what I’m talking about. Lastly, I do honestly think you need more parking on campus for the dorms. I grew up around Penn State University and currently live around another equally large campus, Texas Tech University. Although mostly pedestrian friendly, there is adequate parking for the students provided. Especially considering how expensive those universities are to get into, a good amount of those kids have cars; whether they bought their own or their parents bought it for them. Just a thought.
The tons of pedestrian activity at th4 48:00 mark was all of the people you evicted by demolishing buildings.
That collector with the bus lanes by the university has the slow down traffic policy and it's causing a bunch of traffic on that road.
Looks amazing. Lots of ideas on how to change my campus. Bluestone :P
Great episode! I love how the new assets look on the campus. Though, please turn that one dormitory around to face the right way, it drove me insane this whole episode lol. Also, the slow speed policy seems to apply to trams, which is causing a huge traffic jam on your bridge. Suggestion to remove it so the trams aren't a slow method of transit?
You mean buses?
I only use the Uni-Campus walk-path for connect all the Campus buildings, only have the actual road connection at the main building at the Uni-Main Entrance.
That building next to the main one which is not aligned with others is cranking my OCD pretty hard :D Like the content tho!
Hi Phil, both one way roads leading to the uni main building are pointing in the same direction.
Top 5 comments and 11 months today. The series and the whole setup of videos is amazing.
This was such a satisfying episode! However I'm curious why you didn't change more of the roads in the ped district to ped roads like the area shown at 49:05
I like the contrast of the cobble stone.
Simply deleting one dorm and adding it back later would've probably been a way easier solution IMO.
P.S. the one-way exit to the campus (with the sunken station) is going in the wrong direction.
I like the bluestone!
You may have since clocked it but your one way roads into the campus entrance both went in so there was no road going back out again
I could sit and watch for an hour or 2 of you replacing or at least detailing all parks in Verde Beach with the new assets. Like Prospect Meadows park in Cherry Hills district near downtown.
Phil, if you haven’t found him already, I think you’d love the “not just bikes” channel here on CZcams. He does a ton of videos one public transit and pedestrian/cycle infrastructure around the world.
I love the sandstone pedestrian roads and a pedestrianized campus area, I really do! Thank you, CPP, and take care!
*back to Sunday's game, WE need one, y'all have won the last 10 games against us, let us have 1. Tell Rodgers and the squad that I said to calm down 🙄😂
The one way street in Front of University building is facing the wrong way so that vehicles entering the Campus will exit via Ped. Roads. Also, I think you should consider removing the policy of slow driving(20 Miles), since it causes more traffic on the Bridge and the Intersection next to it.
The cobble and sandstone ped paths look the best. I think a different environment, the blue stone is ok.
Looking forward to seeing what you will do with Van Buren using this mod.
That Kale by Timothy Infinity is Fire.
I like the bluestone.
Do these pedestrian roads really need to be all over? I lived in Japan for about 5 years and they had a bunch of pedestrian areas but they're rarely entire areas. Most were shop and restaurant lined roads connected to normal roads usually near train or subway stations.
In real life you still need to move large things between buildings. In this game you have magic service points that do it all so no limits.
One accident I had while trying to do a large plaza is the few roads that existed got JAMPACKED with almost exclusively delivery trucks, busses, and garbage. Had me in a panic trying to figure out how to fix it lmao.
I think my flaw was having 3 different district types RIGHT next to each other lmao.
I wonder whether it would be more effective to apply some "road hierarchy" to these pedestrian connections. Do all paths need to be transformed into ped roads? In my observation, there's as much a hierarchy of pedestrian routes as roads. You've lost a lot of real estate to new roads here, alas.
Awesome remodel!
Now with pedestrian areas sorted... we need mixed use buildings/zoning so we can create proper European style city centres in the game 🙏
PS. then a proper sequel please
Thanks for the entertainment :)
Nice
Its amazing how many mods we use and a new dlc come out and brakes everything.
guess ill be waiting for a real good patch that incorporates this in the mean time ill watch your work .
I don't remember seeing you fix it (or maybe you did off camera), but did you ever turn your one-way road around that was in front of your Campus Main Building? I recall that you had a loop before, and both your one-way's are leading in and therefore no way out.
I'm sure other people have already pointed this out, but hooray for crashing one way streets in to each other! 4Head
At 30:40, would an overpass crossing work in that area? I feel like connecting up two ends of a pedestrian area without having to stop at a busy Arterial crosswalk might feel more pedestrian friendly. Not sure how reasonable or realistic that would be.
Yeah, I like the sandstone and bluestone for the campus area. Cobblestone to me seems like more of a commercial or residential area.
I wish you would make another landing for the pedestrian bridge closer to main campus
I've noticed if you very closely place a walking zone next to a park the park gets an insane amount of traffic. It works, but it's just weirdly implemented. I had a city park suddenly get 200+ visitors a week right off the bat.
There are some calling for a new Cities: Skylines game after seven years of this version, but these vids just make me want more dlc.
Love the new dlc ❤
So this works. Sometimes tho I’ll get garbage collection icons that last a long time. Also today I discovered that you can zone Industry on walkable paths and goods teleport to the service B point and are shipped from there. Not sure if this was highlighted in the video about how overpowered they are.
Phil, I gotta say that I would have chosen cobblestone for the university, because it just has a more prestigious, traditional feel to it that befits higher education. That being said, I think due to the environment of Verde Beach, sandstone is my second choice. Bluestone just does not work when considering either criteria that I just used, so no.
Speakin from my campus experience, the cobblestone paths seem reminiscent. Wish there were reddish brick paths.