60. How Golden was the Golden Age of Spanish Jewry? (Jewish History Lab)
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- Brief discussion of the era in Spanish Jewish History known as the "Golden Age," and the debate surrounding the use of that term.
Recommended Reading:
Maria Rosa Menocal, The Ornament of the World: How Muslims, Jews, and Christians Created a Culture of Tolerance in Medieval Spain
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Darío Fernández-Morera, The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain
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These lectures are really great. Thank you for your work.
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I took a college course on the Golden Era from a Sephardic whose husband wrote and published the text book required for us to use in her class. They both dominated the Spanish / Portuguese language dept. They told me they observed both Jewish and Christian holidays. They boasted of being descended from Los Marranos in Spain and their families had moved to the Balkans where over the centuries Ladino and Spanish as well as Turkish were preserved and often spoken by those in various education depts. also working at various Spanish language and cultural centers.
Dear Professor Henry, huge praise for your work and generosity in publishing great material on youtube about the Sephardic diaspora. I have to give you a critic though. As a Portuguese Sephardic descendant, I think I haven't heard you mention much about my country and the rich Jewish heritage it has. Which I would love! Often you center the narrative around a part of Hispania. You call it Spain btw. I would consider it more accurate in many aspects to refer to Spain as Hispania. Which was what the Romans called the Iberian Peninsula. Many still today confuse Spain with my country. When you mention Spain in your classes, I think people assume you're talking about the same Spain of today. Which is not. Spain as a kingdom is something from the late 15th century, with the merge from the Kingdoms of Castile and Aragon. You know..., the famous wedding. My country, Portugal, is a Kingdom from the late 12th century. Much smaller but with a beautiful, rich and deep Jewish heritage that although is not disconnected from his neighbors, has an existence and narrative of his own. Please understand my point of view: it's as if you say Canada to refer to the whole North American continent. All of a sudden US and Mexico are Canada? So for that reason, I think when you say Spain it's not totally accurate. Also, centering the Jewish history around the Kingdom of Spain it's not commensurate to the Jews that lived and endured in the whole Iberia. Thank you for your work, Professor!
Dear Dr. Henry,
I follow sporadically your narratives about Jewish history. Your fluency in expression is marvellous which drew my attention and I sincerely thank you for that.
I enjoy your talks on this subject and as a Chinese, I hope to get the opportunity from your esteemed knowledge to learn more about how Jews who settled in old China, contributed to its administration. I understand some of them even had Chinese names.
God bless.
Hope jews and muslim live together again.
Agreed
@@HenryAbramsonPhD you are lying falsely. The black moors, protected the Negro Jews. The moors protected the Jews from persecution from Roman. Especially when the first temple was destroyed.b It’s why you have no recollection of the 200 period of what they were doing because it doesn’t pertain your race Ashkenaz
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Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you!
Thank you and cheers from Paris
I went to a very large university with a Judaic Studies department. They had no courses on sephardic Jews. All content was Eastern jewish experience.
I am very impressed with the interpretation of artwork and that you knew the c or s in Spain are pronounced with 'th' sound.
That's very kind of you to say. Enjoy the lectures in good health!
Very good!
Can't wait to hear your views on the other, later convivencia. The convivencia in Sicily (and southern Italy) with its mix of Norman, Catholic, Greek/Byzantine, Muslim and Jewish communities under King Roger. Who knew there was not one, but two King Rogers?
All was brought to a sad end in 1492/3 by which time Sicily had become part of the "Aragonese Empire" in the central Mediterranean region.
I’d like to see a lecture about this topic as well!
I’m Sephardic,this history is very different. My mother had a different view.
How so?
@@HenryAbramsonPhD I was wondering if you were aware that there was a period of time and can't explain where Jews were treated quite well. Jews actually sought refuge and Catholic Spain from Islamic Spain. Have you ever done a video on this
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Well measured
Can you touch on the Jews that went to the Canary Islands and North Africa? I’ve been told I have Sephardic ancestry from the Canary Islands, and I do have 6% North African (I’m mostly Spanish/Portuguese).
Abd al-Rahman III ibn Muhammad ibn Abd Allah ibn Muhammad ibn Abd al-Rahman II ibn Hakam ibn Hisham ibn Abd al-Rahman I ibn Muawiyyah ibn Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan ibn Hakam.
Once Muslims came in Spain , Jews welcomed them as liberators from Catholic Monarch & after occupying Spain , Jews were given all freedom to practice relogion, business, travel etc
One of the jews was given key posts.
Please make a video on him, he was a poet also & a great person, dont know much as such information of good co existencr is not desired in this era
It is unclear how Jews welcomed their Muslim conquerors. Their isn't much contemporary evidence. As far as full freedom of religion that is an exaggeration
They were certainly given a better deal at least for a while then they were given under the Visigoths at least the way the Visigoths treated them right before they were conquered by Muslims. Jews did have many disabilities placed upon them. Also this so-called golden age of Islam only lasted for a short period of time maybe a couple centuries before Islamic Spain was conquered by North African fanatics. Then many Jews fled to other parts of the Islamic world and many Jews fled to Catholic Spain where for a while Jews were treated with considerable amount of tolerance under Catholic Spanish rule. That too didn't last forever eventually that tolerance ended and Jews were terribly persecuted in Catholic Spain. As far as focusing in on how Jewish elites in Islamic Spain did that doesn't speak to how the masses of Jews were treated at the same time.
Their were disabilities placed on Jews when it came to religion and business
You make it sound like they were given equal rights which they most certainly weren't. Also it's unclear how the Jews reacted to Muslims during the initial invasion.
@@onewildandcrazyguy9213 they may not have been treated tip to tip as equal to the Muslims but they were certainly treated better than the rest of Europe. One of the most famous Jew was Hasdai ibn Shaprut who in textbook definition was the first Jewish foreign minister in the west and there wouldn't be another until Henry Kissinger.
@@freetube5304 those are the elites. But that doesn't describe how the masses were treated. And when you say that they were treated better in Europe it depends on the time and the place. Jews fled Islamic Spain to Catholic Spain because for a while Catholics spain was a Haven for Jews. You're talking about a 1300 year history that takes place over a large expanse of land in the Islamic world and just because you can point to some elites that doesn't tell you how most Jews were treated at most times in most places. And by the way there were two Jewish prime ministers in Italy in the early 20th century. I'm really getting sick and tired of people pointing out to the elites at certain times and certain places as if that's somehow representative of how the masses of Jews were treated. How Jews were treated dependent on the time place and circumstances when you're talking about the Islamic world. No it's not true that Jews were always treated better in Islamic lands than Christian lands.
Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, Daniel 9, Jeremiah 31, Psalm 2, Deuteronomy 18, Psalm 2, Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6-7, Isaiah 12:2-3, Proverbs 30:4, Zechariah 12:10
Mark 12:31. Start with that.
So being drunk between peoples is ultimate coexist?
wherever in the world Jews have lived, sooner or later, the best people living there died out.
Actually I think this phenomenon exists whether or not Jews live in any given country.
@@HenryAbramsonPhD I really like your nuanced view of this period. the silver age that's a good term I'm going to use. A lot of times people when describing how Jews were treated in Islamic lands will point towards the elites as some sort of an indication of how the masses of Jews were treated. For instance people will take a look at Islamic Spain and point to an astronomer a mathematician a vizier. Throughout history a lot of times marginalized people will have their elites that will do quite well within the dominant culture but that's not an indication of how the masses are doing within that same group. For instance Italy had a Jewish prime minister in 1905 and 1910. Kyrgyzstan had a female prime minister in the 90s. So I think a lot of the critics who are pushing back against the Golden age narrative are doing so by showing a people's history of Jews and Christians living in Islamic Spain rather than focusing in on the elites exclusively as if they are some sort of indication of the treatment of the Jewish and Christian masses. One quick thing a lot of people when they think of the treatment of Jews of Catholic Spain they think of Jews being persecuted. But it wasn't always like that. For a while Catholic Spain was quite tolerant of Jews. It served as a refuge for many of the Jews fleeing Islamic Spain when Islamic Spain was conquered by the almohads. Are you ever going to do a video on how Jews were treated differently in Catholic Spain depending on the time period? Do you disagree with any of my comments.