Followed by the sounds of an angry mob forming with pitchforks and torches calling out "Where is the heretic who would deny Gun Jesus his rightful due?" :D
I can't help but picture this place as the mansion from Resident Evil, where it looks like a normal house but there's a colossal underground facility full of prototype guns.
My guess is that after several years of seeing this fireplace what we are actually seeing is Ian's home/film studio where other folks with "Forgotten Weapons" have brought/sent them over to have their guns filmed. The exact details can only be revealed by Ian himself and as he has never been forthcoming in All these years I would not expect him to anytime soon.
@@worldtraveler930 a majority of people who watch him probably trust him enough to just have the gun transferred to him rather than them driving it to him but more so I doubt he is the type to bring strangers into his home. This could very easily be one private collection, I know when I was a kid, my grandfather had over 300 serialized firearms & I know he had a bunch of older -pre serialized ones as well. He is 82 now though & doesn't have time for that. He has slowly been selling off piece by piece & that has been his retirement living fund. Now he just has a 22 hornet rifle + revolver, .357mag lever action as well as 2 revolver, and his early Browning hi power. At least that's all he's keeping, anyway.
If you're courious about pre WWI stuff from Austro-Hungeria you could ask the war historian museum in vienna. I'm not so sure about the prototypes they have, if they have any, but they do have some interesting stuff like Franz Ferdinand's personal Revolver. Otherwise you should get in contact with Steyr Mannlicher. Also one of the most forgotten prototype of the K.u.K. Army is probably the Burstyn Tank.
Hi guys i called the oesta the archives of austria about the steyer 1911 and the trials. An hour later i got an call from them that it is under closure untill next year because the closure time is 110 years. So no public Info on that.
Idk but the man said that, thats the case and on the Homepage There is an artikcal that the most things from that time frame in austria are under closure by law sry :(
@@MrNagoja "In Werken dürfen personenbezogene Daten erst zehn Jahre nach dem Tode der betroffenen natürlichen Personen oder Untergang der juristischen Personen veröffentlicht werden, es sei denn, diese haben ausdrücklich die Einwilligung zur Veröffentlichung erteilt. Ist das Todesjahr nicht feststellbar, endet die Schutzfrist 110 Jahre nach der Geburt der betroffenen Personen." Doing my best here: "Documents which cotain personal data, must stay closed for at least 10 years after the affected person(s) (creator, patent owner, person mentioned in document with relevant personal data..) have deceased. This applies to any legal entities which have been granted personal rights (Companies, NGO´s, Foundations, you name it...) . IF the date and time of the respective person(s) or legal entity(ies) is unknown, documents remain sealed for a period of 110 years. "
@@stefanpaulsedlak9951 Translation is OK, I am fluent in both German and English (being a German guy and all that jazz, not to mention that I trained my translation-skills at a foreign language school)...it gets everything accross, sure some stuff could be made to sound better etc. (then again: I am not a grammar-nazi, well I am not any kind of nazi!) but that is not needed here!
This design is one of those few times where I actually think it would be really cool for a modern CNC shop to make some replicas. They could be expensive, they could be hand-tuned for function; but it would be very cool to see some in a condition in which we could shoot and experience them without damaging the originals. Ian has long made this (valid) argument that we dont' see mass produced replicas because the demand vs cost is just not there. But we do see from time to time some master gunsmiths build replicas that are not meant for mass production, and as CAD and CNC equipment gets more common, we'll see more people take on such projects.
Fwiw, the issue is getting a large enough selection of them to measure in order to figure out what all the original tolerances were on all the different parts, and making the modern technical package (often even if you had the original technical package, a rarity, it'd only help so much because of changes made on the line and whatnot), or re engineering it from scratch. If you have an example that works perfectly you could in theory get something effectively identical by taking all the measurements from that and cranking up the tolerances on your own parts to extremes, but that's impractical, expensive, and still takes a large enough amount of engineering work because it can only work on certain less crucial tolerances/ measurements. Unfortunately, there's just not much to be done about it other than have people reverse engineer then reengineer them from scratch while making minimal changes, but that's more complex than just designing a new gun. And god help you if all you have is pictures, poor examples, patent drawings, or the like.
Saw the muzzle and thought "gas trap" ... man you have educated me a lot in firearms design in the last few years that I am following your channel ... thanks
@@kalebwait1651 Gotcha. But he said school bus, so high school maybe? I don't think much liberal agendas are being played there. Now college, littered with them.
@@squishyfaceguy that's a bummer. any possibility of seeing if the event managers have contact details of the vendors? its always heartbreaking to hear of missed deals on historic firearms.
@@Ponen77 dude tell me about it. This isn't the first time I've handled guns not knowing anything about them and then seeing a CZcams video about them days later talking about how cool and rare they are. And sorry, I don't have their contact info. I wasnt paying attention to their company name.
@@ErikAdalbertvanNagel Kuk means .....ahm....."Richard", in Swedish :), so the abbreviation for "Kaiser-und-Königreich" will always be hilarious to a swede.........The best "translation" I can come up with would be: "Das Imperial Centraleuropean Kingdom"........:)
Interestingly, it looks like the gas system was revised twice - the original (AT36544) used a pair of gas ports; the self-loading mechanism could be cut off by rotating the cap 90° to block the ports. That design ran into issues with fouled ports, and the gas trap was designed to avoid the problem (AT54316); the cut-off function was sort-off retained: Just unscrew the cap completely! o.O Finally, AT57107 returns to a two-port design, but now rotating the cap does not block the ports, instead it opens channels venting forwards. (FTR, the automatic dust cover has its own patent, AT37939; and there's another one that's probably related to the rifle, AT55351, concerning a modified ejector that lets you eject clips by pulling the bolt all the way to the rear.)
MS magazines follower were for specific cartridges, and they were made in a number of cartridges including 7x57, 7x64, 9,5x57, 9x57, and so beside 6,5x54 before ww2 .
Dear Ian, an excellent review as always but please remember that Austrian military sights of that time were usually graded by "steps" (70cm) which can be more easily measured out without equipment. 1400 meters would be optimistic even for the flat-shooting 7x57.
Interesting how similar the finish and appearance of the Steyr semi-auto is to the exactly contemporaneous 1911 6.5 x 54MS Model 1903 bolt action long barrel/short stock factory sporter Mannicher-Schoenauer, that I used to have and restored (now sold to a Swiss friend). It was made by Oesterriches Waffen Fabrik. The twist action rotary magazine on the semi-auto, is I believe directly lifted from the M-S bolt action. I suspect however that the semi-auto version would be much heavier and that may have been one reason (along with cost) for its lack of success.
Interesting to consider what might have happened if this rifle had been adopted just prior to WW1, whether a semi-automatic rifle would have made a difference to the outcome.
The Russian Army had some Fedorov m 1916 rifles, but never enough to make a difference in the overall scheme of things. The French had limited numbers of RSC 1917 and RSC 1918, but same problem of too few, too late. We can only speculate if having a large number of semi-automatic or self loading rifles at the start of WWI would have made a great difference, though Austro-Hungary had several issues that any change in small arms just would not solve.
Even before WW1's start, there was a series of wars in the Balkans. These were the wars that pushed the Ottoman empire out of Macedonia and Thrace. Then degenerated into fighting between Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Albania, and once again the Ottomans. I have no idea how Austria Hungary stayed out of the fighting.
Perhaps the oiling trapdoor is a deaktivation point for the semiauto function. In some competions are semiauto rifles forbidden but it can be useful in training. If something put in that opening it may "convert" the rifle in a repeater?
I want the real first self loading rifle. *They offer me the Garand.* I said the real first self loading rifle ! *I get the RSC M1917* I SAID THE REAL FIRST SELF LOADING RIFLE ! *Gun Jesus step up with the Steyr 1911 rifle* Perfection. (Edit, I meant in the military market so sorry Model 8 fanboys. Also that one 1988 danish gun ? Not sure how it escalates beyond 3 times.)
@@MrHouse-fo1od Laughs in Ferdinand Ritter von Mannlicher. ic.pics.livejournal.com/mpopenker/3193340/824199/824199_original.jpg Two of these stored somewhere in Moscow archives.
Ian, you need to get ahold of Jörg Sprave & do a video on one of his builds. With your truly excellently dry delivery of humor & his veritable mad scientist machines....it would be a smash hit.
Those rifles are things of beauty! If I could I would buy one, that's if the stars align, there's a blue Moon and there's a healthy tail wind in my favour!
I suppose that the military version had a provision for a 7x57 case was that once the muzzle piston started to carbon up one wanted to clean the piston and cylinder pronto. [No timeouts in battle ;)] The muzzle cap might be HOT.
It says "7.0 m/m." Maybe the first "m" is for "millimeter," and the second one is for "Mauser." I know that's kind of a weird interpretation, but it might explain the M's being separated by a forward slash.
Hey Ian, there don't seem to be many good photos of this firearm online. Did you happen to take any by chance? If so those might be good to post on the website for reference sake.
Rare piece. They were thinking about this pretty early.. The other issue militarily would be the logistics.. supply of ammunition, training and effective use.. However, upon thinking about it the MG08 existed so it could have happened, with more time...nice to see though.
The elusive Fireplace-Man's collection again . . . **He must have a "private-MUSEUM" of eeeeenormous size and capacity. [...and the assets to stock it.]
I'll bet the troops just loved the rifle, up a mountain at midnight in winter. First thought on that dust cover is an ideal way to shove muck into the acton .
Very cool and very interesting. That's remarkably simple for the period and rather compact too. Dare I ask, I'm remembering this correctly when I say it's that BANG trap system?
The more obscure weapons I see in front of that fireplace, the more worried I am by the thought that fire might exist anywhere near such an impressive collection. At least the white bricks would suggest that not a whole lot of fire goes on in that fireplace.
Ain't no such thing as "reverse thread", Ian - that there is "French thread" . A mate of mine once owned a Peugeot that was damn near entirely left hand thread; fixing it very near drive him nuts. 😂🇫🇷🇭🇲🇺🇲
The austrians made the right choice in not trying to issue a semi-auto. They could barely keep their armies supplied as things were. This would have made their situation even worse. Edit: The same goes for other countries, it's just especially true for Austria-Hungary.
The Austrians got offered a tank (tracks, rotating turret, 37mm cannon, the works) shortly before the war and were just like "neh, don't see the point".
A pre-ww1 semi auto. Obviously a great idea. Even if it was standardised it makes me wonder that Austrian infantry tactics wouldn't have been able to make effective use of an advanced weapons system. Think ME 262.
Weapons were so complicated at that point in time. The Americans did a decent job of simplifying things with the Thompson, the Brits did a great job with the Sten, what other countries took horrifyingly complex pre WW1 designs and simplified them into something practical?
Perhaps it was discovered during testing that the safety could be bumped out of position and so they created a trigger guard that protected the safety as well. That's my feeling. The commercial variant has a much less pronounced safety and probably doesn't have that issue.
What an interesting video Ian. Another banger. Btw I've started to see an ad at the beginning and end of your videos now. Specifically dr. Squach soap ads. You might consider re-releasing some of your old content with the old intro removed (though I do have a fondness for it still) for the newbies who haven't been around that long. Maybe schedule it for afternoon and put re-release in the title?
Aside from the 'safety guard' on the military rifle, it is really nice looking, for an early semi-auto rifle. Many of those early prototypical guns were pretty klugy. Would this be considered a gas-trap system?
Lol at that checkering. “They don’t make them like that anymore” is first I can think if. Seriously, is it that difficult to make a nice sporting rifle nowadays? And, of course, Steyr marketing sucked always, and not inly the last 40 years :-)
Could the “trapdoor” on the sporting version facilitate a disconnect between the gas piston portion of the op rod with the bolt portion of the op rod to turn it into single load single shot configuration?
Mud test it Ian!!! That self closing mud cover is incredible! I bet that if it had a little rubber gasket and some rubber wipes it could be incredibly resistant to mud and grime!
I also really like the annular piston, that’s incredibly easy to manufacture and I’d be willing to bet that the gas trap on the muzzle would be great at reducing muzzle flash and possibly the report somewhat. Also the annular piston c could be used in an integral suppressed weapon machine in conjunction with the Farquhar Hill gas valve.
You could contact the "Heeresgeschichtliches Museum" ( www.hgm.at ) - if there are any documents regarding the trials - they´re bound to have them. BR S. Update: Took the liberty to formulate a request my self, the museum is right on the other side of the street from my office. going to submit anything I can get my hands on.
@@tekacoutinho Actually they did, but for some reason the message ended up in my spamfolder. They told me to turn to the "Österreichisches Staatsarchiv/Kriegsarchiv, Nottendorfergasse 2, 1030 Wien (E-Mail: kapost@oesta.gv.at).", and so we are pretty much back where we started. Sorry, BR S.
could you imagine that gas systems and fine machining in a trench and how easily it would clog??? you would need to be cleaning that rifle daily to keep it free of mud and dirt....... its is very advanced for the time but had they deided to produce it yikes ww1 may have been shorter....
@@ghostofmarx867 I suspect that they thought it might cause excessive wear in the rifling, or score the projectile, or something, which wouldn't have been a problem with percussion or flintlock ignition.
![[Radetzkymarsch: DVD video] The outbreak of World War I and the death of Carl Joseph von Trotta](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/aE4rhi3qrFo/mqdefault.jpg)
“we cannot disassemble this time”
And I can hear all the other grown men across town sigh 😔 all at once almost in unison.
Followed by the sounds of an angry mob forming with pitchforks and torches calling out "Where is the heretic who would deny Gun Jesus his rightful due?" :D
@@MrGrimsmith I saw the video title and wanted a day at the range.... Shit
nirfz haha 😆. yippers.......!!!!!! You are correct!!!!
Once again we are back at the mysterious pistol man's house
I can't help but picture this place as the mansion from Resident Evil, where it looks like a normal house but there's a colossal underground facility full of prototype guns.
My guess is that after several years of seeing this fireplace what we are actually seeing is Ian's home/film studio where other folks with "Forgotten Weapons" have brought/sent them over to have their guns filmed.
The exact details can only be revealed by Ian himself and as he has never been forthcoming in All these years I would not expect him to anytime soon.
Yeah Ian is mysterious
@@worldtraveler930 I doubt it, Ian has shown his house repeatedly, plus he moved recently.
@@worldtraveler930 a majority of people who watch him probably trust him enough to just have the gun transferred to him rather than them driving it to him but more so I doubt he is the type to bring strangers into his home. This could very easily be one private collection, I know when I was a kid, my grandfather had over 300 serialized firearms & I know he had a bunch of older -pre serialized ones as well. He is 82 now though & doesn't have time for that. He has slowly been selling off piece by piece & that has been his retirement living fund. Now he just has a 22 hornet rifle + revolver, .357mag lever action as well as 2 revolver, and his early Browning hi power. At least that's all he's keeping, anyway.
Steyr made some gorgeous looking rifles there, I would really like to see how they perform.
"Steyr makes some gorgeous rifles." Corrected that one for you ;)
IR4TE I’m betting probably about the same as they look.........smooth baby.....smooth.
There should be a list of weapons that where Made in 1911
Wyatt Mann I totally agree
Pretty sure there is one on Wikipedia, not sure if it contains all though.
@@blarfroer8066 Create one on wikipedia.
Steyr Hahn M1912 pistol - developed in 1911
The Swiss had a 1911 rifle
If you're courious about pre WWI stuff from Austro-Hungeria you could ask the war historian museum in vienna. I'm not so sure about the prototypes they have, if they have any, but they do have some interesting stuff like Franz Ferdinand's personal Revolver. Otherwise you should get in contact with Steyr Mannlicher.
Also one of the most forgotten prototype of the K.u.K. Army is probably the Burstyn Tank.
Hi guys i called the oesta the archives of austria about the steyer 1911 and the trials. An hour later i got an call from them that it is under closure untill next year because the closure time is 110 years. So no public Info on that.
That just seems silly. What on earth is worth keeping secret on these trials for 110 years?
Idk but the man said that, thats the case and on the Homepage There is an artikcal that the most things from that time frame in austria are under closure by law sry :(
@@MrNagoja "In Werken dürfen personenbezogene Daten erst zehn Jahre nach dem Tode der betroffenen natürlichen Personen oder Untergang der juristischen Personen veröffentlicht werden, es sei denn, diese haben ausdrücklich die Einwilligung zur Veröffentlichung erteilt. Ist das Todesjahr nicht feststellbar, endet die Schutzfrist 110 Jahre nach der Geburt der betroffenen Personen." Doing my best here: "Documents which cotain personal data, must stay closed for at least 10 years after the affected person(s) (creator, patent owner, person mentioned in document with relevant personal data..) have deceased. This applies to any legal entities which have been granted personal rights (Companies, NGO´s, Foundations, you name it...) . IF the date and time of the respective person(s) or legal entity(ies) is unknown, documents remain sealed for a period of 110 years. "
@@stefanpaulsedlak9951 Translation is OK, I am fluent in both German and English (being a German guy and all that jazz, not to mention that I trained my translation-skills at a foreign language school)...it gets everything accross, sure some stuff could be made to sound better etc. (then again: I am not a grammar-nazi, well I am not any kind of nazi!) but that is not needed here!
@@stefanpaulsedlak9951 danke für die info
This design is one of those few times where I actually think it would be really cool for a modern CNC shop to make some replicas. They could be expensive, they could be hand-tuned for function; but it would be very cool to see some in a condition in which we could shoot and experience them without damaging the originals.
Ian has long made this (valid) argument that we dont' see mass produced replicas because the demand vs cost is just not there. But we do see from time to time some master gunsmiths build replicas that are not meant for mass production, and as CAD and CNC equipment gets more common, we'll see more people take on such projects.
Fwiw, the issue is getting a large enough selection of them to measure in order to figure out what all the original tolerances were on all the different parts, and making the modern technical package (often even if you had the original technical package, a rarity, it'd only help so much because of changes made on the line and whatnot), or re engineering it from scratch. If you have an example that works perfectly you could in theory get something effectively identical by taking all the measurements from that and cranking up the tolerances on your own parts to extremes, but that's impractical, expensive, and still takes a large enough amount of engineering work because it can only work on certain less crucial tolerances/ measurements.
Unfortunately, there's just not much to be done about it other than have people reverse engineer then reengineer them from scratch while making minimal changes, but that's more complex than just designing a new gun. And god help you if all you have is pictures, poor examples, patent drawings, or the like.
Saw the muzzle and thought "gas trap" ... man you have educated me a lot in firearms design in the last few years that I am following your channel ... thanks
Waiting for the school bus and watching Forgotten Weapons! I’m very happy you are part of my morning routine, Ian.
Same, wake up and watch a video every morning
@@joshuagibson2520 You think having an education is liberal?
@@cesiba1 No. I believe he meant that schools tend to teach more liberal beliefs. I dont think he was talking about gen ed.
Choosing your toys before school?
@@kalebwait1651 Gotcha. But he said school bus, so high school maybe? I don't think much liberal agendas are being played there. Now college, littered with them.
I was holding one of these the other day. The info the seller gave about it was way wrong. I should've bought it.
any chance of going back to the seller and seeing if he has not sold it off yet?
@@Ponen77 it was actually at a gun show in Denver. So everyone packed it up yesterday and left. He was some old man selling tons of surplus.
@@squishyfaceguy that's a bummer. any possibility of seeing if the event managers have contact details of the vendors? its always heartbreaking to hear of missed deals on historic firearms.
squishyfaceguy .......oh that 20/20 hindsight.......... so sorry my friend.
@@Ponen77 dude tell me about it. This isn't the first time I've handled guns not knowing anything about them and then seeing a CZcams video about them days later talking about how cool and rare they are. And sorry, I don't have their contact info. I wasnt paying attention to their company name.
"Austria thought war was imminent."
Army Chief Of Staff Von Hotzendorf: "I want a Serbia. Bring me a Serbia."
So this is the 1911 everybody's talking about? :)
Muh stoppin' power
"KUK government" *giggles in Swedish*
I see what you did there.
@@Taistelukalkkuna please explain to me.
@@ErikAdalbertvanNagel Kuk means .....ahm....."Richard", in Swedish :), so the abbreviation for "Kaiser-und-Königreich" will always be hilarious to a swede.........The best "translation" I can come up with would be: "Das Imperial Centraleuropean Kingdom"........:)
@@noremorsewoodworking2258 Almost as good as CUK (Change UK) (Someone who lets other people bone his wife)
NoRemorse Woodworking : Kaiserlich Östrereichisch und königlich Ungarisch. In the four german grammar cases the word endings can change.
Interestingly, it looks like the gas system was revised twice - the original (AT36544) used a pair of gas ports; the self-loading mechanism could be cut off by rotating the cap 90° to block the ports.
That design ran into issues with fouled ports, and the gas trap was designed to avoid the problem (AT54316); the cut-off function was sort-off retained: Just unscrew the cap completely! o.O
Finally, AT57107 returns to a two-port design, but now rotating the cap does not block the ports, instead it opens channels venting forwards.
(FTR, the automatic dust cover has its own patent, AT37939; and there's another one that's probably related to the rifle, AT55351, concerning a modified ejector that lets you eject clips by pulling the bolt all the way to the rear.)
MS magazines follower were for specific cartridges, and they were made in a number of cartridges including 7x57, 7x64, 9,5x57, 9x57, and so beside 6,5x54 before ww2 .
Dear Ian,
an excellent review as always but please remember that Austrian military sights of that time were usually graded by "steps" (70cm) which can be more easily measured out without equipment. 1400 meters would be optimistic even for the flat-shooting 7x57.
"Schritt", if I remember correctly. The equivalent Russian measure was the "Arshin", again, a pace.
Interesting how similar the finish and appearance of the Steyr semi-auto is to the exactly contemporaneous 1911 6.5 x 54MS Model 1903 bolt action long barrel/short stock factory sporter Mannicher-Schoenauer, that I used to have and restored (now sold to a Swiss friend). It was made by Oesterriches Waffen Fabrik. The twist action rotary magazine on the semi-auto, is I believe directly lifted from the M-S bolt action. I suspect however that the semi-auto version would be much heavier and that may have been one reason (along with cost) for its lack of success.
The Dry Bones song comes to mind:
The forward operating rod is connected to the rear operating rod...
Interesting to consider what might have happened if this rifle had been adopted just prior to WW1, whether a semi-automatic rifle would have made a difference to the outcome.
The Russian Army had some Fedorov m 1916 rifles, but never enough to make a difference in the overall scheme of things. The French had limited numbers of RSC 1917 and RSC 1918, but same problem of too few, too late.
We can only speculate if having a large number of semi-automatic or self loading rifles at the start of WWI would have made a great difference, though Austro-Hungary had several issues that any change in small arms just would not solve.
The poor performance of the kuk came not from inferior equipment, rather lackluster high command. It wouldnt have changed much.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 I'm from austria and served three years in the austrian army. And you are right: Nothing has changed.
I like the military pattern version, kinda cool. Would be interesting to do a mud test on one.
“Well, it looks sehr gut, but we’re about to fight two world wars against insurmountable odds, so we’re not in the market for new weapons.”
What a glorious monday it is when gun jesus updates his flock with a upload and sermon first thing in morning!
Gun Jesus has blessed us with his kindness
Even before WW1's start, there was a series of wars in the Balkans. These were the wars that pushed the Ottoman empire out of Macedonia and Thrace. Then degenerated into fighting between Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Albania, and once again the Ottomans. I have no idea how Austria Hungary stayed out of the fighting.
Didn't they sell them weapons?
By being a word superpower and having no interests at stake.
lubrication point also allows visual check the front op-rod isn't fouled and sticking forward
very interesting and I would definitely say the G41 took lots of inspirations from Steyr
Perhaps the oiling trapdoor is a deaktivation point for the semiauto function. In some competions are semiauto rifles forbidden but it can be useful in training.
If something put in that opening it may "convert" the rifle in a repeater?
9:20 Ian: "this is smoother to close" Gun: "sike"
Fine machinery, they look amazing!
Wow. This is such a gorgeous rifle.
That is an absolutely beautiful rifle!
I want the real first self loading rifle.
*They offer me the Garand.*
I said the real first self loading rifle !
*I get the RSC M1917*
I SAID THE REAL FIRST SELF LOADING RIFLE !
*Gun Jesus step up with the Steyr 1911 rifle*
Perfection.
(Edit, I meant in the military market so sorry Model 8 fanboys. Also that one 1988 danish gun ? Not sure how it escalates beyond 3 times.)
You forgot the Madsen 1896 czcams.com/video/t62qMhanUHA/video.html
*laughs in danish
Laughs in Mondragone
Laughs in Madsen Rasmussen
@@MrHouse-fo1od Laughs in Ferdinand Ritter von Mannlicher. ic.pics.livejournal.com/mpopenker/3193340/824199/824199_original.jpg Two of these stored somewhere in Moscow archives.
The Man with the Oak Fireplace has an amazing collection that never ceases to yield up even more interesting developmental pieces.
Another reply here finally spilled the info on the owner of this fireplace ..
Ian, you need to get ahold of Jörg Sprave & do a video on one of his builds. With your truly excellently dry delivery of humor & his veritable mad scientist machines....it would be a smash hit.
Those rifles are things of beauty! If I could I would buy one, that's if the stars align, there's a blue Moon and there's a healthy tail wind in my favour!
Rather exquisitely made. Very nice. Thanks for the info.
I suppose that the military version had a provision for a 7x57 case was that once the muzzle piston started to carbon up one wanted to clean the piston and cylinder pronto. [No timeouts in battle ;)] The muzzle cap might be HOT.
Hard to think of another firearm as 1911 anything...
There’s the Winchester 1911, and I think that’s it.
schmidt rubin 1911
At first look "OOH DAMN they're pretty" .
Well it's Swiss, what else would you expect?
Edit: nope nvm, it's Austrian
@@hellothere5843 What?It's not Swiss
@TheT34Tank oh yeeeah
@TheT34Tank dun edit
@TheT34Tank welp, too late fam
These look like rather promising rifles. It's a shame we don't know what the reports of the trials were and that we can't see them in action.
It says "7.0 m/m."
Maybe the first "m" is for "millimeter," and the second one is for "Mauser."
I know that's kind of a weird interpretation, but it might explain the M's being separated by a forward slash.
I really enjoy your content Ian, I love weapons history and designs . keep up the great work brother !
Hey Ian, there don't seem to be many good photos of this firearm online. Did you happen to take any by chance? If so those might be good to post on the website for reference sake.
That fireplace is always a sure sign that you're about to see something very interesting.
Wow that sporter is beautiful, I'd feel like a king to go deer hunting with it.
thank u for supporting great war. love watching forgetting weapons and great war. i hope more support
Rare piece.
They were thinking about this pretty early..
The other issue militarily would be the logistics.. supply of ammunition, training and effective use..
However, upon thinking about it the MG08 existed so it could have happened, with more time...nice to see though.
Truly a forgotten weapon. Will we be seeing a mud test for this little beauty?
That bolt action seems to be the origin of Garand thumb before the Garand XD
The elusive Fireplace-Man's collection again . . .
**He must have a "private-MUSEUM" of eeeeenormous size and capacity.
[...and the assets to stock it.]
I'll bet the troops just loved the rifle, up a mountain at midnight in winter. First thought on that dust cover is an ideal way to shove muck into the acton .
You can tell Ian is particularly Infatuated with these guns. Fascinating history and lineage.
Another fireplace collector treat! Love it
Very cool and very interesting.
That's remarkably simple for the period and rather compact too.
Dare I ask, I'm remembering this correctly when I say it's that BANG trap system?
Yes, Ian didn't mention it, but it is a Bang style gas trap system.
@@williestyle35 Appreciated, thanks.
No probs :) Though I saw it as soon as Ian took off the muzzle cap, there are other comments here that confirmed the details,so I can't take credit.
Very interesting Steyr rifle. Thanks for showing this Cool rifle Sir
It is surprising to me that enough force gets applied to that little gas piston to operate the action.
The more obscure weapons I see in front of that fireplace, the more worried I am by the thought that fire might exist anywhere near such an impressive collection. At least the white bricks would suggest that not a whole lot of fire goes on in that fireplace.
That weird enlarged trigger grouping and finger guard made me think it’d be a detachable box mag that had been lost.
Beautiful looking rifle, then again, Styer doesn’t half ass, as seen in the price tags.
Ain't no such thing as "reverse thread", Ian - that there is "French thread" . A mate of mine once owned a Peugeot that was damn near entirely left hand thread; fixing it very near drive him nuts. 😂🇫🇷🇭🇲🇺🇲
So many times had there been semi- and auto rifles before WW1 but the countrys didnt see how this would change the war before it even started
The austrians made the right choice in not trying to issue a semi-auto. They could barely keep their armies supplied as things were. This would have made their situation even worse.
Edit: The same goes for other countries, it's just especially true for Austria-Hungary.
The Austrians got offered a tank (tracks, rotating turret, 37mm cannon, the works) shortly before the war and were just like "neh, don't see the point".
I'll bet that front sight and protectors would be easy to mix up, especially at night
A pre-ww1 semi auto. Obviously a great idea. Even if it was standardised it makes me wonder that Austrian infantry tactics wouldn't have been able to make effective use of an advanced weapons system. Think ME 262.
Two beautifully made rifles. Almost art.
Na Servas =D
Love austrian rifles... maybe because i am from austria =D
This is one sexy Austrian rifle. A fellow Austrian totally agrees with you here.
I have a similar bias with American weapons... there are a few exceptions, though.
I haven't handled an Austrian gun I didn't like
Weapons were so complicated at that point in time. The Americans did a decent job of simplifying things with the Thompson, the Brits did a great job with the Sten, what other countries took horrifyingly complex pre WW1 designs and simplified them into something practical?
The Thompson and the Sten are not pre WWI designs ..
Looks like you could, in theory, unscrew the muscle cap to turn the semi-auto rifle into a bolt action rifle.
As Ian showed you could also lift the bolt handle out of the op rod for a similar use ..
I would find that wrist-mounted sling swivel annoying. I can imagine my thumb constantly rubbing up against it.
Also I would think it would weaken the stock there
I wpuld think it would weaken the stock there
Ian, could you please film the dungeon this collection is stored in, you know we'd all like to see it!
I’ll take two, thank you.
Perhaps it was discovered during testing that the safety could be bumped out of position and so they created a trigger guard that protected the safety as well. That's my feeling. The commercial variant has a much less pronounced safety and probably doesn't have that issue.
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One might even say a *Great* War.
I like that Steyr Model 1911 Semiautomatic Rifles !..
the sling hoop on the pistolgrip looks like it would be really uncomfortable for a left handed shooter to use. what's it like to hold in real life?
Truly a work of art.
"What? That's not a 1911" :) Thanks for these. always interesting to see how firearms evolved.
Steyr is such an interesting company.
So it's like the later Mondragon rifles that hate-banged with a Gewher-41... nice!
What an interesting video Ian. Another banger. Btw I've started to see an ad at the beginning and end of your videos now. Specifically dr. Squach soap ads. You might consider re-releasing some of your old content with the old intro removed (though I do have a fondness for it still) for the newbies who haven't been around that long. Maybe schedule it for afternoon and put re-release in the title?
Beautiful... I fell in love :(
Can't help but think this would be a good sporting rifle
Basically a simpler G41(M)
That dust cover seems like it'd break after a few rounds have been put through the gun depending on bolt velocity
No more so than any operating component I suspect
@@SgtKOnyx Only if they're of equal hardness
Aside from the 'safety guard' on the military rifle, it is really nice looking, for an early semi-auto rifle. Many of those early prototypical guns were pretty klugy. Would this be considered a gas-trap system?
Yes, it is from the Bang system.
So many gas trap designs have the front sight on the trap. That couldn't be good at maintaining zero, could it?
Interesting rifle, thanks again for the great content.
This is a beautiful gun.
So, would this be a sort of gas-trap system?
Most likely. The extended muzzle is the biggest clue.
yes , called the bang system generally in this configuration.
Lol at that checkering. “They don’t make them like that anymore” is first I can think if.
Seriously, is it that difficult to make a nice sporting rifle nowadays?
And, of course, Steyr marketing sucked always, and not inly the last 40 years :-)
Great information. Thanks!
Could the “trapdoor” on the sporting version facilitate a disconnect between the gas piston portion of the op rod with the bolt portion of the op rod to turn it into single load single shot configuration?
Mud test it Ian!!! That self closing mud cover is incredible! I bet that if it had a little rubber gasket and some rubber wipes it could be incredibly resistant to mud and grime!
I also really like the annular piston, that’s incredibly easy to manufacture and I’d be willing to bet that the gas trap on the muzzle would be great at reducing muzzle flash and possibly the report somewhat. Also the annular piston c could be used in an integral suppressed weapon machine in conjunction with the Farquhar Hill gas valve.
Another thought, the ability to disconnect the bolt from the op-rod would also be good for quieting the rifle invade you did suppress it.
*incase. Also a magazine cut off might be interesting if it was suppressed.
Will you be able to give us a demonstration shooting this gun?
You could contact the "Heeresgeschichtliches Museum" ( www.hgm.at ) - if there are any documents regarding the trials - they´re bound to have them. BR S. Update: Took the liberty to formulate a request my self, the museum is right on the other side of the street from my office. going to submit anything I can get my hands on.
Did they ever answer you?
@@tekacoutinho Actually they did, but for some reason the message ended up in my spamfolder. They told me to turn to the "Österreichisches Staatsarchiv/Kriegsarchiv, Nottendorfergasse 2, 1030 Wien
(E-Mail: kapost@oesta.gv.at).", and so we are pretty much back where we started. Sorry, BR S.
I have a sneaking suspicion that this would not pass a mud test.
Too late for bf1 but a really awesome gun indeed
how would the recoil be on that 1911 in 7mm Mauser with that gas system?
could you imagine that gas systems and fine machining in a trench and how easily it would clog??? you would need to be cleaning that rifle daily to keep it free of mud and dirt....... its is very advanced for the time but had they deided to produce it yikes ww1 may have been shorter....
Good morning Ian
Could we see it in next BF patch?
Gun Jesus, can you explain why De Bang's awful system was so prevalent in early self-loaders?
Avoids having a hole in the barrel. Seems to have been one of those things that were thought of as important, but really aren't.
@@webtoedman but they've been tapping barrels since the first guns. It was a necessity for the firing process prior to unitary cartridges.
@@ghostofmarx867 I suspect that they thought it might cause excessive wear in the rifling, or score the projectile, or something, which wouldn't have been a problem with percussion or flintlock ignition.