Hotchkiss M1914 Machine Gun
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- An overview of the Hotchkiss M1914 machine gun featuring appearances in movies.
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In a CZcams video posted on June 15, 2023, a firearms specialist going by the username Mike Duke has converted and test-fired a Hotchkiss Mle 1914 machine gun that has been rechambered for .30-06 Springfield. As Mike Duke explained to another CZcams user in the comments, the original parts were damaged 7×57mm Mauser parts which he had repaired to .30-06 specifications. The original barrel has been bored out and a new .30-06 barrel was inserted inside the original. He had also test-fired the .30-06 Springfield rechambered Hotchkiss Mle 1914 using the Hotchkiss articulated belts.
How did it go?
@@BHuang92I dunno
@@BHuang92 It seems to run flawlessy. You can see it at @mikeduke6755
Thanks mike
Damn, I just checked his channel, he really plays with early machine guns, based
I drove through a small town in Colorado last year named 'Hotchkiss' and I couldn't help but think of this early machine gun. Well done.
The reason the gun was designed to use the strips instead of belts or magazines like other guns was the peculiar design of the 8mm Lebel cartridge. The cartridge case for them is double necked, going from 13mm to 11 mm down to 8mm. The French used the same case design for three different models of guns, just reducing the neck size each time as the bullet size decreased. This meant the things wouldn’t work in a normal cloth belt very well and a magazine for them needed an extreme curve, like the crescent shaped one for the Chauchat light machinegun. The metal strips held them straight enough for the gun to feed them properly.
it was more due to patent issues, as when the hotchkiss mg was invented, maxim's patents still held true, thus an alternative way of feeding was required, this coupled with the fact that the hotchkiss is a push feed weapon (it pushed the cartridges through the feeding device) and the metallurgy of the time meant that strip feed was the order of the day
the 1905 puteaux and 1907 st etienne machine guns used a pull feed system (pull the cartridge back from the feed then push it into the breech) and worked well using maxim cloth belts, but strips were used anyway because of patent issues (same way they had the forward blowing gas piston)
Out of brass scrap, I picked-up a case with a quad neck. Guy passed away so I have no idea what was going on, I assumed it was a mistake. Just looked interesting. Was it a fluke or a real cartridge? It was 300 swift or something beefy initially, maybe a browning 50, probably down to .22 or .25.
@@napalmholocaust9093 Could be a wildcat cartridge. Those (the novelty ones like the eargesplitten loudenboomer anyway) are usually giant brass cases necked down to insanely small sizes. Worth reading about.
Really hard to even picture about that machine gun and it's feed system not like the MG-34 and 42 really can outclass the Hotchkiss.
@@kellychuang8373 the designs of the MG34 and MG42 benefitted from 20+ years of accumulated practical field experience and knowledge, and 20+ years worth of development of more advanced metallurgy and production methodology. It's like comparing a Ford Model T to a 1937 Auburn Roadster. The Hotchkiss M1914 was a product of its time and place in history, as surely as the MG34 and MG42 were the products of theirs. So yes, the MG34 and MG42 outclassed the Hotchkiss M1914, just as my 2008 model hybrid SUV would outperform my parent's old 1964 Chevy.
Interesting Fact:
In Johnny's previous video of the Japanese Type 96 and Type 99 LMG, the internals were based on the Type 11, which was based on the Hotchkiss machine gun system.
I remember this gun in BF1, it was a favorite of mine and became one of my most used and preferred LMGs in the game.
mine too LMFAO
I recall it being very accurate mid to long range.
Not the same weapon. The one featured in BF1 was the Hotchkiss M1909 Benét-Mercié machine gun. Though similar looking there are many differences.
@@DevoGaming93great catch. Seriously.
@@DevoGaming93 although, in fairness, the 1909 model as adopted by the US Army was alternately known as the Hotchkiss Portative, in English and French service. It uses an unusual firmature nut locking design, created by co-designer Henri Mercie. Fun fact, these are also the machine guns modeled in the Allied Renault and St. Chamond tanks; one assumes they're using the rare hinged-lengths-of-five strip system (which kind of split the difference between strips and belts) to sustain their generous max length of volley.
I really like the fact that this channel is part historical information, and part movie recommendation! I've gotten some cool info and some great movies from this channel. Keep up the good work Johnny!
Great video! One thing that took me forever to understand is that Hotchkiss was a varied line of weapons based on the same action, and not just one model of gun.
Most often the Hotchkiss is mentioned in the ww1 context as the medium machine gun mle 1914. But models ranged from light mgs all the way to autocannons and anti-aircraft guns. When I started reading about ww1 I was very, very confused
Yeah and also can say good video on that I can only wonder what JJ will go next. Though for some parts when he has the time here are some few examples like the Skycrane helicopter, B-52 bomber which at 1 time still had a tail gun and also a Mi-24 Hind are some that can be good candidates.
my husband told me they found one in the hands of insurgents in the Congo in 2013 most in his unit didn’t know what it was.
UN duty???
@@MM22966 SANDF UN duty my husband says
0:36 Can confirm. There's two (deactivated) Hotchkiss MGs on display in a WW2 memorial inside the HQ my father served and commanded, the 14º GAC (14th Field Artillery Group), in the state of Minas Gerais, Brazil. Always found them amazing on display since I was a kid.
We still have full functional Hotchkiss 1914 machine guns at São Paulo Military Police Museum. It were used in 1924 and 1932 Revolutions.
BTW: Brazilian Hotchkiss machine guns are chambered for 7mm Mauser. The feeding strip are named "Chargeur Puteaux" in French.
Always love learning about new stuff!
Trivia fact: The Japanese Hotchkiss Type 92 Heavy Machine gun was nicknamed by Americans as "The Woodpecker", due to loud pecking sound.
The Chinese called it "The Chicken Neck", due to the multiple cooling fins around the barrel.
That's good and who knows what topics JJ can go into next. Though who knows a few I can think for him are B-52 bomber, RPG-7, Stinger Missile and among the other helicopter models in the Vietnam War besides the Huey there are thousands may try the Cobra, Chinook and this 1 I saw in a book called the Skycrane also is used in those forrest fires we're having in California. Are just some example may tell him for that and who knows what others.
I heard it was called the woodpecker because of its slow rate of fire. Not inconsistent with loud pecking sound, but reason it was a pecking sound not a "buzz saw" like the MG42
@@michaelmoran4891 That's also good parts on that.
Captain Conan is such an overlooked film outside France
But those french green uniforms are they correct. ?!
@@rolfagten857 Yep ! Colonial troops wore this uniform. Sometimes the color tended to yellow too. It was called the mustard uniform.
Nice! Thanks for this input. @@ggousier
Since I was a kid I wondered what the odd-looking MG in "Lawrence of Arabia_ was. Thank you for enlightening me, Johnny. 😁
I got you! 🙏
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsqour researcher strikes again...😅😅😅...E...
I remember coming across some photographs of the Japanese version of this machine gun and quickly realised its French origins having previously read about the Hotchkiss M1914. It did surprise me as it would have been somewhat outdated by the time. Having said that the French still had it far beyond its point of obsolescence and into World War II. In fact it saw service with the French Army in Indochina and Algeria and some of them were used by the Viet Minh during their conflict with the French.
Japan seemed to be OK with good enough for the infantry. I have another example, a transmitter/receiver from around 1940 (I can't tell you the year of the emperor, can't read it) and the guts of it are ten years old technology wise. A lot changed between 30 and 40 as far as receiver sensitivity by magnitudes. There guys were carrying a 5 part setup between three guys to only have about 4 miles of range. Whole thing weighs 80 pounds about. Big glass battery and a generator and two fuel cans.
*their
while they achieved industrial revolution early like the other european powers, french were still a mostly agricultural society when WW2 started.
The Japanese preferred the Hotchkiss design over the Maxim design, one of the few countries that didn't adopt the Maxim. The few advantages it had was the elimination of a water jacket and even though it was limited to 30 round stripper clip, it allowed some accurate shots which the Japanese prioritize over volume of shots.
gotta love Golden Kamuy God tier anime for a god tier gun
They use this in the 1930 revolution in Brasil
I hadn't seen Bullet for the General until earlier this year when it was on TV. It's right up there with some of the darker Spaghetti Westerns yet I hadn't seen it mentioned in many dicussions with my western collecting friends. Highly recommended
Gian Maria Volonté, the actor on the right, was in the Eastwood spaghetti westerns. El Indio. His eyes were incredible. Perfect madmans eyes.
@@jefferydraper4019 The scenes of him with the musical watch and the use of the chime to add tension. Chefs kiss man, and it makes the viewer reflect on the other times they've heard the motif. It's just peak cinematic art imo
Wanna give you a "Hot Kiss" for including the scene with that shell-shocked french soldier who self inflicted hand injury to get off the frontline! Thanks mate!
Love your Vids
Me too...😊
C&Rsernal has a great video on the Hotchkiss and it's lightweight "portative" version that goes in depth into the history of the gun.
Nice one Johnny. Informative as always.
A benefit of the strips was that they wouldn’t swell in wet weather as cloth belts would, causing feed issues. The strips hooked together at the ends as well so the loader could combine them as they fed indefinitely in theory. C&Rsenal has a great deep dive video on the 1914.
Nice vid!
As always, enjoyed very much! Thank you!
Really enjoying so many of these videos focusing on a specific thing and then covering all about it. Can't quite place my thumb on it but the way you do it has a different take on it than others. Ugh lack of words right now! ❤️ just keep it up please heh
Just great, as usual. Thanks.
Thanks for another interesting video and more movies to add to the list! 😊
Awesome video! I’m happy that you looked into the gun I’ve been asking for a very long time. 😁
I'm here for the early bird special! 😊
Fish,chips and mushy peas for me please...😅😅
@@eamonnclabby7067 you must be English huh lol
An often overlooked piece of equipment...great summary..cheers, Johnny...E...
Thanks for stopping in for both my videos today E 🙏
Gian Maria Volante! Haven't even heard of that movie!
Anyway. As always, terrifically well researched info. Thank you!
man, 1870's to late 1930,s was the crazy days of guns, you could find the most interesting designs around these times while being quite weighty and sometimes just straight up ugly it was still such a time of creativity!
If I'm not mistaken, Roland Garos used a Hotchkiss mg on his Morane Saulnier. Being the first person to succesfully arm an airplane with a mg. Instead of an interruptergear, he bolted metal wedges on his propeller to deflect the bullets.
4:34 looks luke an Unic P107 , also Wehrmacht used halftrack John. Cool video mister John.✌👁🗨
I was not expecting the Golden Kamuy clip, man that otter episode.
clip, i see what you did there.
I just get my "to watch" list from this guy, and its fun to learn something new everyday
My dad had one on his Clyde river Patrol boat.
Another good one, JJ!
Great vid ad always.
always thougyht these guns looked so damn cool, I always saw them in ww1 depictions but I never knew what they were called! thnx johnny!
Interesting to say how the Hotchkiss M1914 started in France and spread throughout the world leading to the birth of other weapons.🇫🇷
Even the Republic of China started buying the Hotchkiss M1914 around 1931 and by the time the start of the Second Sino-Japanese War started in 1937, about 2,620 guns had been imported. A further 1,400 guns were ordered, with at least 925 confirmed deliveries by 1939. Even by the time of the Chinese Civil War this gun was still in use no doubt by both the Nationalist and Communist.🇹🇼🇨🇳🇯🇵
Information by “Wikipedia” and also “Images of War: Chiang Kai-Shek versus Mao Tse-Tung The Battle for China 1946 - 1949” - Philip Jowett
Really informative, great. You reckon you could do a vid about the helmets of ww1 like the berndorfer?
Great video Johnny I love your content! I would really appreciate if you did some of your next videos on weapons, tactics, and communication of the age of muskets and linear warfare from the 17th to the early 19th century. I think you should also focus more on this time period as you have not covered it as much as your usual topics from the 2nd half of the 19th century to the present.
I think I need to do a pike and shot video soon...
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq yeah that would be cool. I would also like to see you make a video or two on the iconic flintlock muskets of the American Revolution: the Brown Bess and M1766 Charleville
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq oh and also maybe do another follow up to your line formation video on why did armies of that time period use battle flags, drums, flutes & fifes, and bugles in combat
The feed system might seem impractical at first but keep in mind the strips would necessitate firing in bursts, a method used by armies today
Also, the French deliberately decided against a water cooled machine gun since most of their military operations were in North Africa and as such figures that the water would be best used by the troops rather than a bulky machine gun
Honestly, it’s a cool gun, in addition to gas operation, I think it also had a quick change barrel
Besides the feed strips, this gun was quite ahead of its time
in addition to that, cloth belts would swell up and stretch out in the wet trenches of ww1. Making the strips a more reliable option.
I liked playing with this in BF1 the low round count did meant lots of reloading but essentially felt like having a heavy rifle. Still it was an odd beast, I recall the noise it made in COD world at war for the japanese variant. Very meaty. Its kinda funny how now a lot of modern day MG's have systems to accept 30 round magazines
Nice. You ever think about doing a video on the Soviet/Russian Hind helicopter?
The Norwegian M/98 had a rather interesting feed, it used a steel belt that were hinged every two rounds for the 6.5x55mm or every round for the larger 10.15x61R. They had a capacity of up to 500 rounds.
Nice. 👌
good one
I have never understood why the Japanese liked the feed strip system over a belt feed.
It might have been as simple as that was the first feed system they copied from, and that's what they stuck with. They tend to be very conservative, design-wise.
Belt feed has its own issues. During WW1 the cloth belts jammed a lot because of the conditions
@@AdamantLightLP Don't use the cloth kind. Use leather.
@@MM22966leather wasn’t as readily available in japan as it was in America and Europe, Japan has far less grazing land for cows and other large livestock.
@@dexaphobia8085 I was joking, but yes, I knew that.
Have you done a preview on the M36 destroyer tank?
According to the _New Zealand Arms Register_ of October 2012, New Zealand received four of the Hotchkiss Mle 1897 / 1898 chambered in *.303 British* from the W.G. Armstrong-Elswick Armament Company in December 1899. These were used by the Machine Gun Battery of the New Zealand Mounted Rifles in the Second Boer War (1899--1902) from January 1900 until the Battery's disbandment in June 1900.
I knew I'd see Golden Kamuy in this video!
Excellent job , seen many of this type of gun in the movies, but always thought it was just French made junk , nice work on the back story
This was a good one. I knew OF the Hotchkiss, but no details. Good movie tips, too.
Hey thanks, Johnny
A sizable number of French Hotchkiss guns in 8x50 were either sold or given as aid to Ethiopia in the 1930s. It's one of the more common automatic weapons Ethiopia had (for a nation with a low number of weapons in general, less so heavy weapons), and it's also one of the most common to see in both photos and footage of the era. As far as I'm aware, it was the most common HMG in Ethiopian service during WWII.
French guns. Always uniquely weird guns. *Alright, I can see why the gun is dope af.
*Just wanted to make my comment more
relevant to the topic.
I always liked the look of this gun, even tho it showed its teeth by the middle of the century it just has such nice lines for a firearm
It really was the first gas piston gun, it's a testament to how well the Hotchkiss guys reworked the idead
keep pushing out vids mate
This is what my grandfather used against Bulgarian troops in the Balkans in the Salonika campaign. He was a Tonkinese machine gunner attached to the French Army.
Revolving cannons? That sounds cool 1:30
Choo Choo Johnny, see ya for the next one.
Feed-strip machine guns are underrated
That one guy that was in early Clint Eastwood movies is a bad ass, he represents!
I first saw this machine gun in The Lost Battalion
Nice Hotchkiss summary. Don’t think those fins proved to be very efficient cooling the barrel but they give the gun a distinctive look.
They probably did. I can't remember exactly how it works but the fins draw more heat towards their outer diameter where the metal is thinner and the shape allows more heat to be transferred to the surrounding air. Learned how to calculate it in my heat transfer course but that was years ago. There's similar fins on computer and engine components as well!
Computers have heat sinks that function the same way as those fins. It doesn’t seem like much, but it makes a huge difference.
@@gravygraves5112 Its actually crazy how big a diffrence it can make, i dident understand it really untill takeing a metalurgy class.
turns out even fairly minimial cooling fins can quite literally double the effective surface area for heat distribution
good video now make a video on the spas 12
Loved this in BF1
I don't always post a comment, but I ALWAYS give a 👍,and share your vids with others.
Thanks Kevin! Means a lot just knowing the videos are being appreciated 🙏
If you want to get technical, Austria came up with smokeless powder for the 1854 Lorenz rifle in 1864 and it was a paper patch cartridge. It was adopted in limited numbers until A forts armory exploded and the chief armorer blamed it instead of anything his men did. It was dropped shortly after. But that's just nit picking.
Good movies johnny
how about a vid about some of the lesser known/"unknown" Horchkiss revolving/multibarrel MG vs the Gatling?
My guesses for the next video: Gustav railway gun, armored trains
I love how there are at least two iconic scenes of Gian Maria Volonte* involving heavy, less commonly seen in film machine guns. In the other scene I'm thinking of it might be a volley gun or something. It had many barrels arranged in rows and columns and fired one at a time. Not a gatling gun
Edit:please upthumb Bentilbury for taking time to look up name when i was too busy to look
Gian Maria Volonte played El Indio.
@@bentilbury2002wasn't it when he was Ramon in a fist full of dollars?
@@hugefart440 He's so commanding in all his roles that they all kinda run together for me lol
@@hugefart440 I looked it up and you're right , the scene I was thinking of is FFoD
At least Mr Volonte is using a period-appropriate machine gun. In Sergio Leone's Duck You Suckers!, set in the Mexican Revolution of 1910, James Coburn's character fires an MG42 to great effect. German MG42 users needed a team of at least 3 men to keep the MG firing and change overheated barrels - but he used it alone. Always found that detail a little annoying.
5:28 "To the Ends of the Worlds" original title is "Les Confins du monde".
I think the finned barrel makes this gun the perfect start to a Star Wars prop gun.
1:50 4:45 YES FINALLY GOLDEN KAMUY HAS BEEN SEEN!
One of my favorite weapons of ww1
aircooled 🤗🤗🤗🤗
Really interesting movie
I was looking for Haskell-class attack transports and got sent to Hotchkiss machine guns.
Algorithm jams.
Here in Brazil, itd use was most likely used due to the french doctrine we use to have. But when WW2 broke out and Paris fell, we quickly looked for another philosophy, and thats when we adopted the american doctrine. Nowadays we have a blend between the two doctrines, for exemple, the word tank is considered "worng", the right term is combat car, and on the other hand, the word bullet (from the french balle) is also wrong, out here we call it cartridge.
Funny fact: in portuguese bullet is translated to "bala", wich is the same word for those small candies, so in basic training, if you say bala refering to ammunition, an officer will shove a cartridge in your mouth (even though it isn't wrong, the brass just can't decide if they want the french or american way).
Night sights, those must have been very useful during night raids.
The makes an interesting appearance in the Book, Trench 1915: The Dawn of Modern Warfare. Available now.
Johnny could you make a video about chains hanging down from the armored truck at 4:47? I think that could be interesting topic.
Despite technically being air-cooled, proper use of the gun during WW1 called for a sponge and bucket of water to cool it down when it overheated in combat.
I hear they could also piss on it
4:16: "...with the bolt left open to accept the new strip."
Correct me if I'm wrong but open bolt guns, especially crew-served MGs, always need to be cocked to resume firing, as the following clip at 4:19 is showing the guy pulling back the handle after expending the stripper clip (just before another one is inserted)
1:15. My Granpa was a french zouave since 1936 in Algiers when he fought germans in 1939 & 1940 with the FFL in the east of France. He joined what it remains of the french army in North Africa. I In 1942 he had to fight US troops when they reached the shores of that french colonia. He told us that he & his platoon made more than 100 hundred US prisoneers the 1rst day : " They were so bad prepared it was easy to capture them ". 48h later, the french army joined De Gaulle & the Allies...My Granma said to me 1 time in her entire life : " when you are a soldier, you just have to obey. That's all "
Make a video about the VW Schwimmwagen.
Interesting
I remember this gun in Medal of Honor Underground
the maker of this gun great grandson was my history teacher back in the 90's
I only ever knew him as Mr Hotchkiss
Japanese army: Write that down! Write that down!
was it possible to convert it to fire from belts?
The Japanese Army produced Mle1897 under licence. 2:02 Then they improved it and mass-produced Type38 MG.
No arisaka rifle review 😢😢😢
Madsen next please
I've seen them at gun shows 8 mm labeled was not the first smokeless powder cartridge it was the first one to be adopted by a military 22 was the first ever invented
While technically true about it being their standard gun in the second half of WW1, production vastly outpaced the StEtienne 1907 from the start, meaning it wa from the get go.
Ideas: RSC, MAS 38, gewerh 43, Federov avtomat, mp 18 and the Ribeyrolles, dont fell presured though.