Is This The 2025 KTM 390 ENDURO & ADVENTURE?
Vložit
- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- #advnews #chroniclesofsolid
Just when you thought KTM might have cancelled the 390 Enduro fresh new spy shots have surfaced of it being tested in India alongside the KTM 390 Adventure. It looks to be ready for the dirt with a trimmed down look and 21/18 wheels ready to go. Is it going to be the dual sport we all want or just another road based motorcycle that misses the mark?
Thanks for watching,
COS
ADV MEDIA - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Looks interesting. Though, I still wish Yamaha would get with it and make a Tenere 400 adventure and WR400R dual-sport (or something along those lines). Thanks for another great video!
The thought of a tenere 450 being a wr450f with the t7’s looks and a 6th gear lawdy makes me rock hard
@@Max-xr4nl After riding the T7 270* twin... zomg that motor is sooooooo much more fun to ride than any single. I want a little T4 with a modified R4 2 cylinder motor! 45-50 hp is all I really need.. with WRF suspension, brakes, ground clearance, & rally fairing.
@@colinbowman8816 I haven’t had the chance to ride a t7 yet, but the moment I can I will… I used to ride a 600cc thumper and the wr450f is smooth in comparison
What is so disappointing to me is the complete lack of interest and effort from the Japanese manufacturers in this area. They have a large and mostly loyal supporter base, and they are being let down. The 450 market is the next big thing, as the preorder sales of the 450 Himalayan and CFmoto, and the interest in this KTM show. If the Japanese manufacturers do not lift their game, they will be dominated by the likes of RE, CF moto and others.
Hopefully they will see the writing on the wall and get in on the action. What bothers me is it takes SO DAMN LONG to develop a new motorcycle these days. Seems like we've been hearing about this new KTM 390 for 5 years already and it still ain't for sale. And it was the same deal with the Yamaha T7 before that. If the Japanese haven't started already, it could be years before they catch up.
If the new ktm enduro 690 would have the same look than this Adventure 390, it will be a total top sales! The perfect mix
I cant believe KTM hasnt remade a bike similar to the 640 Adventure. If the 640 was resurrected using the 690 engine, i reckon it would be a sales success. KTM will need to be at the cutting edge of single cylinder adventure bike development now that the Chinese are starting to produce bikes that everyone has been screaming for.
They made a Husqvarna 701 LR that comes somewhat close, big fuel tank with a big single cilinder under it
@SupermotoCentral it only lasted a couple of years which was a shock. As you said, it was a step in the right direction but still didnt have any wind protection. The trouble with the 690/701 platform is that they are ridiculously expensive in bare bones factory spec, then require thousands extra to adventurise them
The current 690 is all over the 640 dinosaur.
@@pauldavies5541 as i said......a bike like the 640 adventure using the 690 engine!
@@SupermotoCentralI looked at one of these but it’s wide and looks odd. I’d sooner have a Rade Garage range extender giving almost 20 litres and spend the rest on a rally tower for better protection. I suspect the real reason they don’t do this is to protect the 890 Adventure and Husqvarna 901 market. A bit like Porsche deliberately keeping the Boxter/Caymen deliberately underdeveloped to maintain 911 sales and exclusivity despite the former being the dynamically better car. I have a “naked” 701 and an “adventurised” 690 in the US. Much lower weight is the driver. My 890 (a great bike) is road biased and at over 210kg still a heavy bike.
These bikes will likely still be road converted pigs. I just want them to make a bike like the 300L Rally with the TFT and 21st century goodies. At least 250mm travel, low 15L tank, 150-155kg wet.
I would have thought, styling aside, the RE Himalayan 450 is the direct competitor, its already here and at a price KTM will struggle to beat. Then there is the MT 450 from CFMoto, the 490 twin that KTM dumped and the direct competitor to the 390 Adventure at a bargain price. I think the KTM 390 Adventure platform might be in a bit of trouble by the time it arrives except for the fans of Orange. I think they left the old model redevelopment 12-18 months too late.
Agree! Getting so late robs them, hell lot of lead in the market. RE is already in the market with Himalayan 450, Triumph is already down KTM's throat with its 400 series (may introduce Tiger 400, sooner than later) along with what the Chinese are throwing at the face of the world. One needs to evolve faster than ever!
Yep! With like 500 pre orders already taken for the 450 Himalayan, KTM has missed the boat, particularly that the Himalayan is a known quantity of being much more off road capable and the price point is so good. I was waiting for the 2025 KTM but I don't think I would until next year. If Royal Enfield releases the tubeless tyre version of the 450 this year in Australia, then KTM has lost me.
The Himalayan is ugly, the CFMoto is Chinese and the Triumph 400 is awesome, but not an offroad bike. I see no threats to the KTM 390 here.
Lets see. Its likely that the KTM will have (as so often) the greatest performance (suspension & power to weight). If thats important to someone then this will be a clear reason for the KTM.
@@jakeviolet2195 Keep telling yourself that. The number of preorders alone for the Himalayan + Cf 450 would suggest that you are mistaken. Being well over a year late to the party won't help. And then there is price, which is ultra important at this end of the market. Now if the KTM is considerably better than both in all areas they may carve out a market even if more expensive.
You're absolutely correct in saying that KTM has to retune the engine for more torque at low and mid-ranges. The adv390 platform has proven successful for them, but the competition is catching up and there are offerings that do the same thing at lower price. So, simply carrying over the same engine tuning from Duke 390 isn't acceptable. In addition, they need to find ways to reduce vibrations. Things like rear luggage rack also needs to be standard.
BMWs 310s are also due for updates, hopefully a bigger engine. Let TVS sell the older 310cc engine-based models under their moniker.
Eagerly waiting for the BMW engine upgrades on the 310s
Can't retune a really short stroke engine for low end torque
@@drury2d8 I don't have too much expectations, but something similar to the Scrambler 400x would do. The engine bore & stroke are remarkably similar in both, and both are made by Bajaj. I test drove the 400x recently, feels are lot more tractable and less vibey.
It's safe to say that the new 390 adv with its dakar styling looks better than the previous gen that looked like a fugly dinosaur.
In the video enduro looked like 21/18 and adv looked like 19/17. Hope they bring out 21/18 versions of the Adv 390 like the one in that German video.
But for highway hauls and cornering, 19/17 with alloys would be a better option.
Nice breakdown brother. ✌️
I can't wait to see both of them with final spec. Didn't decide which one of them to chose, but my old BMW R1200GS already for sale :)) Thank you very much for updates. I've been waiting for these bikes for 3-4 years... From the very first spy shots! Fingers crossed!
This is exciting news! I'm on a Himalayan 411 at the moment, looking to upgrade for a bit more power, but the pickings for smaller-engine adv bikes are quite slim unless you go for an enduro-machine with some touring-equipment (which comes with its own cons), so seeing the 390 Enduro still alive is great to see. Cause right now I'm struggling to find any other options than the new Himmy (Kove, CF Moto and AJP aren't available in Norway atm ...).
If they make a 390 Adv, with quality components, fully adjustable suspension, and a 21/18 wheelset… holy hell that will be one sweet bike. If they treat it like every other sub-450 adv/ds, by slapping on budget components and suspension, it’ll be a swing and a miss.
It’s definitely good news about an exciting bike.
I think they’re the same size wheels as well.
Appreciate the updates and content.
Take care
🏍️💨
Cheers Luke
Great
Had been waiting for ur expert views
Love it! Enduro for me. I'm OK with the compromise between weight and value. Hoping to get the 1st one to hit my dealer's floor! Thanks Solid!
Still waiting for the "Unicorn" , 500cc Twin with 240mm suspension travel. high exhaust and 170 kg
Thanks for the update Solid! I was looking at the 450MT, but for now I'm sticking with my 2023 390 Adventure SW untill the new 390 makes its way Down Under. 🙂
Thanks mate 👍
I ignored it for a long time, but now I think the short Kove 450 rally will probably eat KTM's lunch in this single cylinder dual sport area. It could be the unicorn... And quality does not seem to be an issue, as one might (reasonably) expect from a chinese bike.
My choice on CFMoto450MT
+1
me too!
MAD TV's vid about the Himalayan 450 (Aussie release) has me convinced that the 450 is the one to get. Yes, it's heavy, but Dave reckons to go for it. (said so to me in a reply).
What about the CFMoto 450MT? It is heavier too but perhaps better than the Himalayan, no?
@@Berecutecu I was all ready to buy the CFMoto 450 MT but the early reviews (or impressions) are coming out and it's all the same politically correct slop..."Great value for money...", "the people who have already bought it won't be disappointed: blah blah. Just listen to the emotion and excitement in their voices...oh wait, there is none! Himalyan 450 you can hear it in the tone, they love it more than they'd care to admit.
I am probably the only one, but I love the underslung exhaust. The standard space of putting an exhaust is always in the way of luggage and is the first thing to get damaged when you crash. I don't understand why motorcyclist believe the exhaust may not be submerged in water (that it would affect the bike's water crossing ability) but 4x4 people have no issue driving with the exhaust under water. Maybe someone can shed some light.
it’s the ground clearance you loose having exhaust running under the bike. the current 390 has the same and very little ground clearance is one of the big issues. they have at least added clearance in these new models even with under slung exhaust.
Would love to see an adaptation from husq too. Prefer their styling. The KTM high viz orange is a bit, safety jacket
If it has tubeless tires and a properly tuned engine, this will be a top contender for my next bike. I think ~180 kg would be perfect because I have a Himalayan 411 right now which is quite a bit heavier and quite a bit less powerful and while I would like it to be a bit lighter, the weight is manageable and I honestly wouldn't want it too much lighter because I already get blown around on the highway a fair bit when it's windy.
Looks like a 21 on the front to me, Solid.
Tell me more about the "added performance" of cast wheels on road. There may be three people in the world who can even tell the difference (without looking) let alone apply that advantage on the street.
They better make a Norden 401, too 😂
It seems that Japanese manufacturers such as Honda and Yamaha have conceded the competitive edge in producing motorcycles to rivals like KTM and CF Moto, a disappointing development indeed. The motorcycle market, especially for bikes under 500cc, appears to be shifting towards India and China. Examining the specifications of the MT 450, with its 450cc twin engine, 44 NM of torque and horsepower, a dry weight of 175 kg, and adjustable KYB dampers, it's evident that competing based on price and specs alone is no longer viable..
Tow truck operators will be happy😊
Have you made a video about husky 701?
Hasn’t anyone else noticed the test rider for the ADV model was wear leathers with the Husqvarna logo? It also has a white frame in other shots? Maybe the ADV model with be a 401 Norden and the Enduro model will be slotted in as a KTM. Just a thought…
Nice report Solid! What's the status on your new shed studio?
I’ve just bought all the gear to seal the concrete floor. And once all the mid year bills are sorted. I will fork out the 5-6k for power to the shed 👍 I know it’s going slow but time is short at the moment 😅
Gotcha…good luck with all of that!
This is an exciting time for Adventure Riders. You mentioned Scramblers, Now KTM are bring out two models that will be just the thing to take over from the Suzuki old faithfuls .... Thanks for the presentation... David.....Adelaide...Triumph Scrambler 1200X.....one bike for all......
Cheers Dave, enjoy that beautiful 1200 👍
nothing beats the 690 enduro!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with the heresy. Matching a DR's grunt will be the challenge.
I'm curious about weight and price
After waiting for the 490 for so long I wonder whether this will be released in 2025 or further delayed. KTM seem to be very busy with all the other brands at the moment.
The himalayan 452 seems pretty good and its gonna be a lot cheaper than the ktm. I hope ktm brings some game with this motorcycle. This could be the unicorn. Id confidently preorder this bike.
Solid it is very clear that the adv is running 19/17 & enduro on 21/18
Not convinced. The front tyre on the enduro looks too wide to be a 90/90-21, as does the wheel itself
Unfortunately, I think you are right. The front tire on the Adv goes right to the top of the fork protector, while the tire on the Enduro appears to extend a couple inches beyond it. Also, the front brake disc on the Adv appears to take up more space in the center of the rim than the Enduro. I would rather 18/21 on both. Unless they are doing two versions of the Adv. Then they can do 19/17 on the more street oriented one.
Just slap on 21/18 rims on the adv
Great update> Love the comparison to the DR650 and XR650L (assumed). KTM --> Twice the price, high octane fuel requirement, reliability issues, parts availability with sanctions on China. Yes, they are made in China... and for a KTM, they are heavy. A ready to ride weight approaching 400 pounds, I dont see it making a dent in the serious off-road dual sport user. It will sell to the light forest service road users and commuters that like to sit around and talk horsepower numbers.... that they never use... but like that it has cruise control and bluetooth... hmm
Neither look like an enduro bike, more like one is 390 Adv 19/17 the other Adv R 21/18 and hopefully top spec fully adjustable closed cartridge suspension on the 21/18 model. Fuel looks high and I would hope its more like an 890r when released.
I hope they get the valve check/adjustment intervals further apart than every 9300 miles. Man, that's a ruff schedule when everyone else is at least 12000 miles (which is far too often itself considering Africa Twins & Yam Teneres are around 20,000).
Seems reasonable to me. As long as I can get a full year of riding in between major service intervals, I'm cool. Gotta have something to do in the winter anyway.
@@jakeviolet2195 I usually ride more than that in a season, and there are people who do twice that and more. How Harley is the only one to figure out automatic hydraulically adjusted valves where everyone else hasn't is a travesty. Honestly, it's the major reason I bought my Pan Am. Oh boy was I itching for an ADV KTM or an Africa Twin, but I hate adjusting valves. I guess I'll just wait and see if anyone else figures it out. A lighter bike would be great but extra work isn't worth the few pounds saved.
I really like the current one, should I buy it or wait for new one!
Even if KTM applied the variable intake and cam designs from the 690 they will be hard pressed to produce the torque of the “longer stroke” DR-Z or DR engines. (Adding flywheel weight would help, but then how many “Orange Fans” are looking for a slower revving bike.?) The two things KTM have going for them; They know how to build a light weight bike and excellent adjustable suspension.
So only time will tell if they are building a serious enduro bike, or just a styling exercise around the Duke engine 🤔.
It is in KTM's best interests to make a small capacity adventure bike that is lacking in certain key areas (such as 19" front wheel instead of 21"). If they made an awesome lightweight adventure bike, who would buy an 890 at nearly double the price? It also goes against their bigger is better mantra. They went from the 950 Adventure, to the 990, to the 1190 and now the 1290 Adventure. If the 1290 is "best" adventure bike KTM makes, how can a 400cc adventure bike at 1/3rd the price be any good? It's all about the money.
Great Ktm bringing this out.look forward to it.Can anyone confirm honda crf450rl rerelease in Australia?Great work solid too,quality work as always 😃
Yes, as predicted it is officially back in OZ 👍
IF only the CF450MT was a Honda, they need to wake up!
That is easy. Don't buy an enduro/adv Japanese bike for next year(s) and have all that you know on this "strike", try a chinese one such as the CFMoto or Kove. They will get the message.
GIEF 390 ENDURO! or atleast a 390 adv with a bit more leg room (a 390 enduro being able to fit adv screen and stuff) :P
Hoping the new model will look good. Unlike the previous model the head light looks like a head of a preying mantis.
I want to see a three-way comparo between the 390 Enduro/Adventure, the R/E 452 Himalayan and the CF Moto 450MT....my first question though is where the fark is the exhaust can on the 390 enduro??? Let the good times roll!
I wonder if these will sell in southeast Asia. They might have more convenience than Royal Enfield globally.
🤔
What I dont like about the 390 is it is to tall. Many of the new competition are lowere so when off roading and you need to get a foot down you can. CF moto and Royal Ensfield have a much lower seat. Even the 790 and 890 KTMs own bikes are lower To me this is strange.
I'm 175cm, my 390 has the tall single piece seat and I get a foot down with no issues. Improve your technique
Some of the best dirt bike riders in the world are short guys and they ride bikes with a seat way higher than these little dual sports. You just gotta learn to scoot your butt to one side, tilt the bike over and and put one foot down (not two.) Once you get the hang of the technique, you never have to worry about seat height again.
I would like to see a 500
The sari guard implies India, where the market demands a tubless option and at the price the 390 comes in, that isn't viable with tubless-spoked wheel pairing.
Necesitamos subtítulos español latino. Gracias.
390adv has had ride by wire since 2020.
Cf Moto450mt is KTM390 adv…
The most important question here is, can new KTM ADV be ridden by a biker whose height starts from 5.5 feet?
I'm 5.6 (170 cm) I ride a 2021 ktm 390 adventure and its totally fine, can't flat foot it but just stand on my left and I'm fine (even got the rally seat which is abit taller and it's still fine)
DR's are simple. Different size wheels on 390.
I'm 99% sure that the front wheel of the Enduro is 19 inch not 21
Gotta save up for the enduro 390. If there's an enduro 250 itll be even better... The 250s got better low end torque than the 390 engine
is it just me or does the ktm adv looks strangely similer to the new cfmoto mt450?
It would eat my CRF 300L Rally alive in the power department.
They’ll launch in September 2024 in India
How do you know bro, i am waiting for it
@@rithikkumar7683 my friend works at Bajaj India
KTM RC 390 old model please 🙏☺️
Seat is too narrow for long distance also it is sloping so you keep on slipping frontward.
if price more than 4 lak im not buying it😢
I know they are just proto types but looking at the enduro riders feet , his toes are pointed straight down at the street. Suggesting those stupid forward canted footpegs are on it.
That knee triangle looks awful tight as well. If the rider is a 5'6" Indian, that could suggest a cramped riding position for western riders. Hopefully he's 6'2" and I'm worrying over nothing.
I dont think thats a 21 inch front wheel.
I think enduro might not gonna launch in India
this is the unicorn
Not with that travel, ground clearance and exhaust outlet, it isn't. Looks the part though.
@@donewhiskey or the weight. 170kg is not impressive
That exhaust wouldn't be so bad. Not burning your luggage vs a tougher log crossing?
Single cylinder 390 enduro I get... Back the adventure should be a twin.
No, it should not. There are already plenty of overweight twin adventure bikes.
Ride-by-wire - expensive to replace if broken and potentially unreliable. Try dealing with that if you're lost in MiddleofNowhereistan. Why??? Who needs it on a moderately powered bike - don't need any rider modes or TC. Same stupid decision with the Himalayan.
The worst part of rider modes and aids like traction control and ABS is they automatically reset every time you turn off the bike! It makes it impossible to ride offroad. Every time you stop to take a piss, you have to monkey with a bunch of settings before setting off again. And if you forget you end up in a ditch. Nanny state regulations and techno feature-creep are ruining motorcycling.
@@jakeviolet2195 Surely it's only ABS that's mandatory and often simple enough to switch ON/OFF - I'd more suggest it's big companies pushing expensively priced technology at people and leaving us with no choice other than to spend more money. How many large/mid range ADVs have low-tech (T7 only) and 90% of that tech is non-mandatory
No stupid rally tower, perfect!
Thanks for the vid. Best I can tell KTM is going to miss the mark again. But I guess you never know. They're never going to get high torque out of that 390. Nothing like that DR650. And in these videos the bike still looks like it's small. And I'm pretty sure those are still 19 and 17 inch wheels. They always put small dudes on these smaller bikes to make them look bigger. And if that exhaust stays low like that, it's a big no from me. I would rather take my scrambler 400x off-road then that thing.
Not really a fan. KTM really needs to take. Look at whats going on, and what people want. AKA the 490. Hopefully someday it will come out. Im guessing CF Moto will have their before KTM does. Meaning they 500cc engine CF Moto is developing. We should see that 55HP engine soon installed in a Ibex 500MT. For now, I already put my down payment on the CF Moto Ibex 450MT. So im now commited to the Chinese company...specially since I 3 dealers very close to me for these. And have been CF Moto/KTM dealers now for a few years. So i have excellent dealer support. Sorry KTM. Too little, too late. Thanks for the moto news as usual.
so you are saying that people want small displacement obese bike?
i think people want either crfl with more power and suspension or lightweight adv bike. Kove 800x pro might be an awesome bike that is lighter than 450mt
Nobody actuallg wants a Chinese bike... except the Chinese bots posting on the internet.
@@Jay-hv4lb yes, the 800 is shocking lightweight. But doesnt have the name brand on the suspension and brakes. While the 450 has well known suspension parts like KYB. I have never heard of the suspension on the 800 before now. Remarkable how light they got it. Will be interesting on how it holds up. For sure one to watch.
@@jakeviolet2195 nobody asks you to participate, so please buy your bmw or ktm with chinese engine
@@drzrider3440 actually 800x comes with kyb suspension. Look at how kyb screwed up by damaging shim stack in tuareg 660 forks and still havent fixed it for 2 years.
I am waiting for 800x reliability tests and if its fine i am buying one for sure
Would be a shame if ktm built the 390 enduro R off the 390 adv platform with such a heavy weight. Perhaps this 21” wheel bike is the 390 adv R…. Otherwise the 390 enduro R would weigh more than thr 690 enduro R 🤦🏻
Both lightweight and low cost is possible, as both honda and kawi have done it… the klx300 is 137kg wet and this new 390 motor is rather lightweight, only a few kgs heavier than the kawi 300 motor.
Turning a road bike into an ADV or dual sport with serious off road capability hasn't been a really good idea since the 70's. I get why KTM are doing it, along with most other manufacturers, eeking out as many models from a single platform as possible to recoup R&D. And the ADV/Dual Sport/Scrambler market is very in vogue at the moment, but will one based off a road bike make a good off road version? Based on the plethora of examples currently in the market the answer is no. These bikes will be fine on dirt roads, but I've ridden a Benelli Leoncino 500 & Aprilia Shiver 750, both with road tyres, on dirt roads & they were both fine too. It's the gnarly stuff that's the real test & I doubt that they'd do well. I'd much rather have seen KTM use their 350 or 450 platform as a starting point for an ADV & dual sport offering.
It is a Road bike turned into a Adventure Bike turned into which is a Dual sport called Enduro , Literally you gave me a Reality Check , Man !!
😆
@@chroniclesofsolid 👍
i have zero interest in singles. 450MT looks like the goods to me.😉
Don't small displacement twins have even less bottom-end torque than singles?
@@jakeviolet2195 correct. For trails, singles AFAK will still deliver a better experience. For some that do 70% pavement and 30% trail a dual cylinder may be a better bet.
I really hope they don't go with the stupid split level front mudguard that has appeared on the newer spy video!
"..the only question I have with the bump of CCs were KTM able to lower torque and HP RPMs" says the guy riding CRF300L
Cfmoto 450 is around 176 Kg dry, so not big difference with the 390.
How could be a single cylinder so fat as a twin? Also, reving the engine up to 10.000 rpm just to start moving from a stop is not my final erotic fantasy...
One can very easily say the tyre sizes based on the tyres it's running! The enduro model is running Apollo actigrip tyres made in India
The CRF rally won’t leave you alone and stranded with no phone signal ….what reliability does Indian produced motorcycles have ?
They continually have issues , don’t be fooled .
Then why do you think bmw 310gs, triumph 400 & ktm 390 are made in India?
Ur right but..Still better than Chinese one....
@rs9301: The reason those bikes are made in India is to cut manufacturing costs.
Time to move on, while your comments would have been relevant 5 years ago, they are no longer correct. The reliability of these brands has move forwards in leaps and bounds over the last few years. I have been around long enough to remember when people said the same about Japanese bikes.
I think they totally lost the train here and CF Moto MT 450 is the winner in this category. Better geometry, protection, everything.
Well, the comparison to the DR650 isn’t even relevant. Those who enjoy the 650 look for ultimate round the world reliability, not possible with a 390.
Hahaha 10 years to late KTM 😂
Really? What other models have been available for 10 years that are like this? Seems like a pretty innovative bike to me that fills a massive gap in the market.
@jakeviolet2195 "better in every way" CF MOTOT 450, KOVE 450, CRF 300 RALLY, HUMALAYAN etc .. if they had bumped the capacity to 490 we would be getting a beast of a deal but to put out a 390 in 2024 is weak.