Maybe you Should NOT buy this Dirt Bike | KTM HardEnduro
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My key takeaway from your commentary was that "it's not worth the extra money for the dirt bike enthusiast that I am".
I had a 2023 XC-W and now have this bike. Always wanted to have the bling parts but I make too much per hour to spend my time swapping out all those parts. Here, it's done for me, looks awesome and I don't feel I have to mess with it until I wear out or break something. It's totally worth it for me but that's based a lot on that I wanted a bike that looks like this out of the box stock but I get to spend my time with family, riding or working vs building. I do understand the handguards aren't great but mine will be on until they're trashed and then something better will go on. In the pacific NW woods trails I also mostly run the softer map and in our central high deserts I run the more aggressive green. Makes a difference for me and my ability and adds for later tunability. I have heard rumors but can't confirm, you'd probably know as well as anyone, the suspension on this bike is tuned differently than the stock bike from back to back ride comparisons. Seems a bit far fetched. Love mine with absolutely no regrets. It gets a lot of positive attention. BTW, I went with the black seat instead and it looks sick. Love the grip and feel in the rain, mud and pulling Hardenduro moves.
My situation is very similar, love the style, the bike is absolutely dialed for the PNW riding we do out here in northern idaho and I have no regrets about getting the bike that comes with the bull of the jazz done for ya. I got mine for 12.6 with a carbon pipe guard and was definitely worth it! Rip on!
I feel the same way, I don't want to spend the time putting the "bling" on. I am actually having additional stuff put on mine before I pick it up. New head, bark busters, left handed recluse rear brake and FMF muffler.
$1600 will barley buy a new wheel set. I think while a lot is cosmetic, the clamps, wheels, seat, alone well exceed the price difference and for 2024 the Hard Enduro looks fantastic
Wheels are nice but do not really add to the performance of the bike. Base model has the same billet clamps now just not orange.
@@cdnmoto849 yes but that’s only due to a parts shortage from KTM. Also the wheels I feel are stronger. The stuff adds up quick is all I’m getting at
100%
Yup I got the Husqvarna te300 pro , comes with allot :excell takasago rims , brembo brakes and hydro clutch, comes with a radiator fan , gaffer rear disc , front and rear disk break guards ,supersprox rear sprocket , and there's much more . But you cant even buy those wheels for that 1600.....
@@charlesnothing8369 Not even if you sell the OG wheels?
Much rather set my bike up myself with the parts I like than buy it “hard enduro ready”
Yeah
$1600 better spent into the suspension
@@lukegonano3956 Great point, put a $1,000 more on that stock suspension and WOW what a bike! It's already great.
The wheel set is also upgraded correct? D.I.D. versus std. But in the end I agree, buy the base bike and upgrade as you prefer.
Yes, better D.I.D rim and failed to mention that it is a way better billet hub VS. the stock cast hub. Also, in the end, can upgrade a base bike.
Correct...DID Dirt Star wheels with anodized hubs.
Those orange spoke nuts just screaming out
“ I’m winning! I’m winning! “ that does it for me!
Must make the bike at least twice as fast as the standard version! Cheers Kyle!
My 2024 XC-W came with billet triples like the XC's have. According to my dealer, apparently KTM ran out of the cast triples and started fitting some of the XC-W's with the billet triples. It's no xtra cost. My COO has it branded as "XC-W CNC".
Hi Kyke, massive fan. I do have a few comments to make, the grippy seat is in my opinion worth it, the reason I say that is because the bike is made for hard enduro which is alot of crawling and what happens is when you are on a steep hill doing switch backs or whatever you tend to find yourself slipping off the back even when you are holding on for dear life and gripping with legs. Anything this is the mapping switch is very helpful and ktm would put it on there for no reason, it's useful in very low traction conditions and you want the slowest possible power delivery due to poor traction and to prevent tyre slippage.
You need to move on a bike, a grippy seat is a big no.
@@ogmK4rlwhy do pro riders run very grippy seats ? You do not want to be moving around on the seat when you get into the correct position
maybe only on Extreme Enduro. You ride your bike with the body and you need to move a lot on a dirt bike @@user-pz2wi5ek2b
I would buy it based on looks alone. The thing is absolutely beautiful.
it looks the same as every other dirt bike
You can make it beautiful with out 1600$ on front.
If you're spending north of 8k for any bike the extra 1600 is not really a big deal . This sport is not cheap anyway. Let's be honest the bike does really does look hot as F hey !
The front grab strap should be installed under the lower triple clamp
I always enjoy watching the bike give aways you have. I really appreciate you letting people get into the drawing going through you to rocky mountain. Great job!
Good review Happy new year Kyle 🤘
Happy New year Randy!
Bring back the kick start! I can take care of everything else.
I want to win it, I ordered off Rocky Mountain atv mc last night, fingers crossed for the win 😎
You are the BEST
I ride the Beta RR390 has full map and rain map.. I live in Belgium and winter is gnarly.. so the rain map comes in handy .. 😉these days water everywhere
Ya might wanna do your homework on those triple clamps. The stem is reservable to change rake angles
Bro as a Beta rider, this bike is beautiful. Its totally worth it to buy it.
The map switch is absolutely necessary on the east coast with muddy rooted hill climbs
Most guys just go trailriding, an 11,000 or 13,000 bike isnt going to improve the experience that much.
Its neat when its new, its only new for a very short while. If money doesnt matter then yeah, what ever, buy 10 of them. Guys bought the TPU KTM's and now, KTM moved on and those werent the best idea.
But were damned expensive. Spending time and money to learn to ride better? Or act like a pro and get in way better shape? No trail rider I know does that, they just flail around on expensive bikes.
Yeah, not sure why anyone would by the Hard Enduro or the KTM Factory Editions. It’s not only $1600 off the start but they normally don’t mark them down toward the end of the year so they are actually many thousands more expensive.
As someone that rides hard enduro regularly, you don’t keep your bike looking good for long. We abuse them. We fall, we drop, so bling n looks are last for me. Protection parts are nice though.
My major pet peeve with all these bikes is the elimination of a backup kick starter. If you keep that bike for several seasons with several hours ride time then you will experience estart failure.
My truck is the same way.
I've never rolled my truck down a hill, dropped it in a stream, looped it out and generally abused it for years and then still expect it to not have any failures. A backup kickstarter on an off-road bike is a no brainer.
Why, if the batts not at at least 7 volts it ain't going to start anyway. You'd be better off carrying a set of jumper cables and a tube of chap stick. Or a weego. But hey, a YZ 250 has everything you're looking for.@@MrAshrr213
You can always bump start it
@@Chrisprara Where we ride we often end up in the bottom of a narrow steep canyon where you can't go down hill anywhere to bump start a bike.
It's like going to vw and buying a golf, you see the standard car and you're happy but out the corner of your eye you see a golf R or gti. You know you probably won't drive it any faster but it looks cool and you want it. Same thing here. You're buying the name and the kudos of it all.
It only reflects your style of riding and terrain. The Map select is a bargain and if your riding in heavy muddy terrain you will love it
Great video Kyle, this is really is how the riders / enthusiasts are, and that is we all have an opinion, of what works for us, and respectably you voiced your opinion, and you are and were honest about it, that to me is very cool. I know myself included, we all consider the financial end of it. I know for me being a rider and Fan of TM Racing bikes, I would buy a new TM over any brand out there, just look at the stock options on a TM, compared to stock options and factory options on many of the bikes, years ago people would complain and say TM's are so expensive, well I can tell you, when I worked for the TM Importer, back in 05-06, we never had a TM Enduro 300 even with the exchange rate of the Euro, and that was crazy! Still never came close to the cost of KTM Hard Enduro...The only downside to the TM here in the USA, is the resale value. To be honest with you, dirt bikes have come a long ways for sure, but it just seems they keep getting more and more expensive, Fuel Injected, Electric start ECT now a days a new bike OTD tax title license dealer fees ect is over 10K to 12K and really I know for myself, I look at the latest models of all bikes, and I ask what is really changing, so much, that it justifies buying a new dirt bike, for some its a hard pill to swallow, for others it is not....I would like to take this time wish everyone luck in Jan 15th' drawing for the KTM bikes Kyle is giving away, and Welcome to the New Year.
I love the look of this bike, but I wouldn't pay the extra either.
Prolly plenty of dudes who would buy that bike and love it, as is. Sure looks the part! That remaining $1300 could do a lot of more objectively "useful" things, though, I think.
It is worth the cost if the buyer enjoys owning a more rare and exclusive Moto. Residual price will also be higher. The cost of the wheels, guards , sprocket etc plus included cost to install is also a factor.
So for the discerning buyer who has no issue with the final cost it’s well worth it.
I bought the 25 HE because of the looks and bling. 😮
How is the oil cap additional protection?
Also, the super sprocket is a good upgrade...the rear sprocket will last significantly longer then an aluminum one.
The hard, fast rule... never down play or critical what another work hard to own. Good way to lose some of your base. The market calls for the HE and is now hard to find. KTM may be laughing on the way to the bank, but the owners are laughing with them. Cause they love it, too.
if I can afford to kick out 12k whats another 1600. seat, spocket, guards, triples and most of all the bling. Money well spent
The seat is more than just a cover, the wheels are DID dirt stars. The billet triple clamps are rubber mounted bars where the standards are solid. I just wonder where you ride on public land with out a S/A.
Excellent objective view Kyle that is what I like about your videos.
I wouldn't pay the extra either, but I would love to win it! Even though I just bought a new 450 XCW I would love to have the 2 stroke too. With 2 bikes my son could join me on rides.
@ 82 years old I have a 2023 Erzbergrodeo, out of the box it's wow! bling0 but that didn't last long because I never wash my KTM I ride it as much as possible, @ 82 I might not wake up tomorrow but I make sure I do because every time I ride that bad boy feel like I just added another day to my mortal shelf life, shoots I'm down to 28 years old now gotta love them motorcycles~~~~~Braaap!
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~Clean Bling or Dirty Zing~
Wash if you must, but wouldn't it be better,
To ride again in the rain and roost mud
Pitching it sideways in the silt berm's
Roost out, exposing Earths worm's.
Detail if you must, but there's not much time,
With land closed and wilderness protection
Less trail riding, no desert to speed upon
Fewer BBQing bullshit bench race time.
Bling if you must, but all off road bikes are dirt,
With mud packed tires and crooked fenders
Gouge hand guards and scratched decals
Times of riding may not come again pal's.
Polish aluminum if you must, but bare in mind,
Dust happens when Bling factor goes bitchen
And where you ride, and hot riding you must
Dude, you yourself will roost up more dust.
Bling and dirt will eventually entropy into a Blurt,
A Blurt, is a Motorcycle re$toring Black Hole
Black Hole benchracing BBQ's are popular
The older you are, the more you Blurted.
~Gasser Classic~
If you're riding at the level you are at 82, you are a super human! Just riding at all at 82 is something great, but your level, OMG!. Bad to the bone. Also, the 23 Erzbergrodeo is the best looking bike around, the new Hard Enduro is a close second for sure...
@@onthethrottle7104 Here''s where I learned to ride > czcams.com/video/CMCP-w4aFgc/video.html
Awesome!
The ONE thing that would've been super nice to have is some better footpegs, the stock KTM ones are mid...shoulda learned from the Beta race editions. They actually have tasteful upgrades that dont shatter your bank account.
Plus KYB suspension and a kickstart kit.
@@user-se7vt5ow4eong
The 2024 bikes are a work of art.
Multiple times you say the add ons look super cool, that alone is reason to pay the extra. The wheels alone are worth the spend as it’s a practical upgrade. You go the lower cost option and you still end up upgrading graphics and parts, it’s what riders do and end up paying more.
Map switch makes a big difference, soft map is awesome on crawl and hill climbs, the hard map is awesome on open trails where speed kicks in and test their is a power band. A nociable difference between the maps, kind of like going from TPI to old Carb engine response and it’s instant at a push of the button.
You can move your controls in, I have no issue doing it on my bike, unless you running your clutch and brake at 45degrees, it’s no issue at all. The seat is awesome, best I’ve had, and works real well in wet, very grippy vs stock. You did not mention the hard endure has solid rear disc brake and floating front. The rims are also specked for higher impact, stronger and lighter. The frame is orange vs black on the std.
1600.00 is not much at all. 👌
Stronger wheels as well . My opinion is you get a whole lot for $1600 , the bling ads value wether it is to you is opinion. There are plenty of guys that drag their bikes through the parts catalog and spend way more than $1600
Your front pull strap is fitted wrong and might snap your headlight shroud
noticed this too!
Those hard enduro bikes look so much better than the dorky purple and white bikes and you don’t have to put 10 hrs in labor, just put tubliss in it and you’re ready to race.
I do like how much orange they have. I've never been a fan of the white that we have on some of the other models.
All ktms look like crap get a Yz250 they're way better way more reliable and half the price
@@Freecountry44 Grow up
@@Freecountry44when Yamaha puts a proper 6 speed transmission in it, I’ll agree with you. That’s the only reason I don’t want one.
@@DirtBikeChannelI'm with you! Why so much white on these bikes?
just bought a gasgas ec 300 love it
Gripper Seat and foot pegs are things I have to have. I am more MX than enduro though.
you are spot on ;; the map switch is a gimmick ,, thats what a twist grip is for ;;; use it carefully in tricky situations , not press a stupid button ;;;
On orange bikes yes... very little difference. The sherco which I like better all around is 5hp throughout the power curve.
I can tell the difference between green( GO AF) and white (soft) hey it's 1600$ it's worth it to not wait for the shipping companies to send my crap to the wrong address , yes you will have to add some things but it is a good value if u add it all up . Cost vs what u get is a savings no matter how I add it up
despite of all the blings. why there is no pipe guard?
For 1600 bucks, they can put a kick start back on it 🤣🤣
I laughed out loud when i seen the thumbnails
When did it become impossible to find msrp on the factory website?
ok you've convinced me that for 1600 more, i'll be getting this one. way cooler besides the handguards, cmon.
I'd buy it! But I agree on the handguards, I'd switch to the heavy duty flag style. Also a seat concepts seat, rekluse, maybe tubliss. Wow that's a lot. Glad my bike is dialed and I don't need one now.
The stock bikes are amazing as is and I just put my factory plastics with graphics in a bag until I sell the bike anyways lol.
Xc or xcf for the win in my opinion you can put light kits on them if needed.
2023 gas gas ec 250, comes with a heavy flywheel weight, , doesn't stall,, tpi injection,, doesn't stall,, studder or fart, electric start, kick start capable, the last year. Head light, tail light, wide ratio transmission. My add on are, high compression head, cone pipe 53 tooth rear sprocket, kick start, motes wire cage pipe guard, shinko rear tire, mousse front and rear, Del saggio fork kit, comes 50 HP.
RUNS PERFECT, 80 HARD ENDURO BEGINNER HOURS, IN SOUTHERN OREGON, TBI BIKES DO NOT COMPARE, they simply run out of gas, and have less stock HP. The 2023ec 250 was 6,700 brand new.
KTM should release a badass edition with all the FLO Motorsports parts. Pegs, Levers, Radiator Guards, Brake lever and label it the Hard Enduro Edition or something.
You forgot the wheels - much better than standard
You should try bump starting the tbi ktm’s
what is the best skid plate you can get?
Kyle always keeping it real.
Dude..... you clearly never been in a hard enduro race in wet conditions. That extra grip in the seat, the hand guards are basic hard enduro extras... keep it in mind for your next review.
I think it’s a beauty.
agreed... Happy New Year Kyle
What must do to put lights in xcf and be as xcf w
Pipe guard? I would destroy my pipe so fast on the trails I ride. Amazed you don’t use them out there in rocky Utah.
They don't come with one.... I'm not a fan of pipe guards. Never have been.
The impact has to go somewhere. It’s either denting the pipe or stressing the mounting. Dents are a fairly easy fix with the correct tools. There’s no win-win with that one except maybe a pipe that doesn’t hang down so low or, god forbid, a 4 stroke… Now I must repent for even mentioning such blasphemy.
What's the most common way to dent those? Never have bashed one so I know I am due!
@@TorqueDorque laying the bike down on the right side or having the front tire roll off of something like a rock or log that’s higher than the ground clearance.
I wonder if its because if they put proper protective stuff on it, the factory riders need to use it ? And they cant change it
100 hours on a stock aluminum sprocket? Maybe if there’s 60 hours of idle time!
I’d rather win the 300XC with pre mix and faster motor. The Hard Enduro does look better tho 😎
seems like popping for the Gas Gas and add your own stuff
Why is the brake rotor solid? It freezes constantly on my friends exc300, no brakes after a few powder snow runs.
Meanwhile my old 1991 DT125R keeps its rear brake working 😂
If you got the extra cash everyone would get it.
Want to save some money? Skip the special edition.
Good video, thanks!
🏍️💨
U could wear a Bengals foot ball helmet and jersey and ride that and look cool
Hey Kyle, I've been doing some extensive research on the 300 XC-W, I have never owned a 2 stroke, but I do have some seat time on a 98' CR 250. My last bike was a 2015 yz250fx and i liked that bike a lot. I liked the low end power and the 4 stroke engine. I only ride single track and I am comparing the 2024 350 XW-F and the 300 XC-W. Do you have any insight between the two or recommendations to point me in the right direction, I haven't rode either. I hope this comment reaches you, I am looking forward to your advice.
Kind regards,
Brad
All that bling, but no pipe guard? I would expect a carbon pipe guard for that price.
Does it come with a heavy flywheel weight, a wide ratio transmission, these items make an enduro bike, just buy a gas,gas ec model
Hmm no info about there newer SX’es? Question would a CUO like device make your thinking of the map switch different if you could set the plush map to something harder?
3:57 100 hours and change the chain an sprockets? Why! Are you been serious
When is contest names pulled for sweepstakes?
I think it’s more targeted to the fan boys that’s the market i personally think it for and it’s going to be more to the older guys getting back into riding and have more money than sense if they sell them it’s great marketing sense by Ktm and potential to be worth more resale as limited models are
Man I hope I win one of these bikes 🙏
Curious, is this the same setup as a 6 Days?
Bling doesn't win races.. these bikes are way to expensive, but people still buy them, so thats that... and for the price, the bikes should come with all this.. no its not worth it, ill do the bike the way i want it...
bling doesn't win anything. never has...
I keep hearing guys say, "at the price these bikes are"...but if you think about what you're getting for $10K, which now days isn't much, it's an absolute beast of a bike. Also, there is money that has to be made by the dealer, there is shipping costs, there is all kinds of other costs before you add up just the price for the bike alone, so dollar for dollar it is the best bang for your buck. Dealers probably make about $1,200 - then sales guys probably make $250, then shipping these is about $400 (KTM price). So when you strip that off of $10,000 you're at $8,150. You can buy a 2024 300 XC for $9,000 all day long and if you wait for end of year you can get them for $8,000. So strip the dealer and shipping costs off of one of those and you're at $6,150. I just don't get where you guys come up with "these bikes are so expensive."
Do you run stock tires and wheels on your truck? I think I remember seeing them on your F150.
the wheels are both lighter and stronger
is that a thing though? haha!
wheigh at the weels makes quite a diference@@DirtBikeChannel
Unsprung weight....? @@DirtBikeChannel
Can you please provide side to side statistics that those wheels are lighter and stronger? If you look at the bike weight comparison the Hard Enduro is about 16 lbs heavier... and I do not believe those wheels are lighter than stock.
@@onthethrottle7104 next day I change tyres I will weight them both and let you know ;-)
Im so over KTM after 20 years of buying the latest greatest and riding nothing but orange, I realized that I am better off spending that extra money on training and going riding
yah its worth the diff fr sure imho,
Billet aluminum is not as strong as forged aluminum.
The erzberg or any special edition bike is never worth it. But the hard enduro 2024 bike is hands down the best looking bike ever. Yes I know we don’t buy off looks but you know what they say look good feel good ride good.
people absolutely buy off of looks. people aren't much smarter than fish. "ohh look something shiny!"
@@amcgee-dl3cj for sure that’s why I bought it 😂
Hmm I own 2023 SX 250 TBi and runnning on soft map only :)
Well. If I buy the regular XC-w I make RMATV happy….cause I have to make a big order. So I see it as a wash.
It’s beautiful but it wouldn’t make me a better rider and it would be more painful to watch it get all best to crap over a few years.
99.9 percent of people buying this model don't care about the extra cost, they want it because it's a special edition and looks custom built, the wheels and orange frame give it a custom look that is quite noticeable, sure you could easily do all that stuff yourself, which is what I would do but a lot of people don't work on or build bikes like I do and cost is not really an issue then for them it's worth it
Do you think the tripple clamp is mabey more durable/stronger than a normal cast one and thats the reason they put it on
"Billet" is machined aluminum, its not some special extra strong material.
Cast is a cast piece, out of the same aluminum. Billet looks cooler, may or may not be slightly lighter.
The EC gas gas model has all the options, And is cheaper. Wide ratio transmission and flywheel weight, I don't believe you guys understand what is necessary to make a hard endurol motorcycle, a track bike does notv work, It has nothing to do with pull straps or the color of the bike.
Its exc with powerparts 😂
Overall it’s more bling less benefit technically.
They're promoting hard enduro because they're getting waxed in Enduro GP. Notice they don't have a Enduro GP edition?
Some ppl run there living on investment, therefore this is worth it ( you may not understand )
Pretty sure that is not a map switch. That is the quick shift buttons
the graphics make it look cheap imo and are far worse than aftermarket designs, i say this as a ktm lover, i have two and have ridden orange forever, the additional parts add up to a very small amount from ali express, laughable but then again people are slags for 'limited' editions
It’s sweet though! But def overpriced lol
even though i totaly agree with the video (the bikes not worth it),you simply dont sound convincing enough,you seem to be trying to find things to say as you go,ktm fanboys are gonna need more than that to understand there being tested on by their favorite manufacturer