How Did KTM Do All THIS? 2024 Enduro Dirt Bike Model Changes
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KTM invited me to join them in Ohio for the 2024 Enduro Model Launch. I got to ride the 150, 250, and 300 XC-W. I also rode the 450 XCF-W model. Here is what I learned that day.
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I still think is a big mistake to not retain the kickstarter. It's also a mistake to not build the electrical system so you don't have to depend on the battery like a snowmobile doesn't.
I know competitors that broke battery cables during hard enduros and that put the rider DNF.
Yep batteries die regularly, especially the lithium ones,my brand new bikes battery craped out on delivery 😂
I wish they would put a kickstart back on them
I outright refuse to buy any bike that doesn't have one
@@MDM1992 makes two of us 😉
@@adencollis5941 i really feel like ktm has lost their way a bit, i get all the pushing to be lighter and trying to push new tech etc, but i really think they should make a simpler, more reliable older style model for people like me who just dont want tpi, tbi, electric start, ecu's which are hard to tune etc, its just more to go wrong and harder to diagnose as well, i never had an issue jetting carbs or kicking my bike over in 20 years of riding so i'm not going to suddenly start having a problem doing those things, that's the reason i buy YZ250's now ktm has seemingly gone down the luxury route when some of us just want a reliable and simple machine, there's no reason they cant bring out at least one carbed model alongside their fancy new stuff, they'd sell plenty of them.
@@MDM1992 sherco us a option
@@cheifowethu yep sherco is like a trail yamaha pretty much exactly what it sounds like this guy wants
Awesome video! I enjoy your input on how you feel about the 2024, I love my 23 xcw250 and will always keep it but this 24 xcw already has me sold, I can't wait to get one
Dude very informative video! Really enjoyed it.
Thanks for such an awesome review of the ktm and all of your bikes really love your content
If you ever come to the land down under drop in we have some sick single tracks in Coffs Harbour
Haven't ridden the 24 KTM new fork, but, saying its the best production out of the box fork is a stretch...KYB holds that place and needs to be knocked off before we can crown a new King
He is sponsored so what choice did he have lol. You are absolutely correct on your comment. They need to earn the crown first
Another awesome opportunity for you. Congrats for that.🏁
Thank you for the video 👍
Thank you sir! I was waiting on the TBi for the xcw! What’s the release date on these bikes Kyle?
Im sure this has been covered at some point but i havent found it. Does your giveaway extend to canada?!
So does it light your fire as much as the yz250fx you were so stoked about? I have a 21 xcw and love it... suspension needs to have stiffer valving though.
They look like great bikes! Maybe my next one when it comes time. I don't love PDS, but not for the reason you listed. The PDS bikes are super tall for me. Not undoable, but my older RFS bike (PDS) was way tall. When I moved to the linkage in 13 because I wanted to try something different it just fit me better and does "squat" a bit for me. Easier to swing my leg over, dab when needed and also ergonomically fit me better. Just personal preference so I've been on an XC since. I have way less tip overs than I ever did on my RFS PDS bike. I noticed my wifes 200 (PDS) is a little taller as well. She is fine with it. We are the same height, but she has longer legs and a shorter torso... me the opposite. I have a skid plate on my 22 GG that covers the linkage. No big deal. A little more maintenance with me, but no a big deal in my eyes.
Kyle I love your your channel, I'm jealous you get to test out all these new bikes. Maybe one day I can afford a new model but for now I really like riding my 08 xcw 200 until I win one of this months sweepstakes bike😊. Thanks Kyle.
I have had enough with the costly technology. The 2-stroke bikes were wonderful in the 2000's, and very tune-able. I bet you are having just as much fun on the 08 as you would anything newer,---and you can fix it with less expense, (for as long as you can get parts).
200 is such a great engine for trail riding. I have the same bike.
It's by far the best bike I've ever owned and the best part my wife surprised me with it on my birthday.
@@richardehair-kz9np lucky man.
Good evening! I figured you’d be one of the best people to ask or at least be able to point me in the right direction to ask.
I’m looking to purchase my first enduro and I’m looking at the 2024 ktm 500 vs the Husqvarna 501.
I know they are both sister company’s but I wasn’t sure if there was a clear one better then the other? Was hoping you might have some insight or maybe lead me to someone who might.
Thank you for your time! Stay safe out there
I can identify with the XACT fork line, but the rear shock is what? Possibly conflict with naming on ADV products?
Just picked up a 23 300xc and with the discounts being offered by KTM I was able to buy 6500 inserts and be a bit under the price of the non-discounted 24 models. I don't find it stiff at all with fork and shock set to comfort. I look forward to doing some back to back testing with it and my 2019 xcw.
Interesting that you say that the rider cockpit is more cramped now. A very important detail that no other reviewer has mentioned at this stage. I have the 2020 model and the rider triangle is just so perfect for me, it was one of the things that sold me on the bike. I'm sure that you will get a 2024 model at some stage and I look forward to see if you find a way to open the triangle up, Lower pegs for example. Great review, appreciate it.
Yeah, I noticed it on the 23 XC bikes. It carried over to the XC-W. I'm not happy about it.
I never liked how high the pegs felt on 2016 and older ktms, 2017 remodel was great! Just bought a 17 350xc-f, passed on a lot of good deals that were 2016 or older specifically because of this. I always feel like I'm hunched over the bars too much on the older bikes.
Love the videos! I was wondering if there was a better way to enter the give-away as it wasn't letting me? I had to sell my bike for university and have been regretting it ever since!
This bike would be a great birthday present for myself! Good to know KTM is still improving, especially with the suspension!
If you don’t have kids .. school fees ? .. Go for it ! 👍🏻
I agree with you on the transmission ratios on the older xc’s having that closer even range being better, the wide ratio seems to far apart between gears.
Have you tried the IMS core pegs that drop the pegs down and back 5mm? I have them on my 2018 XC and it opened the cockpit. the pegs aren't a liability on catching things. Tell the graduates Congrats!!
Does the xcw still have the lower first gear then the xc ?
My problem is I am at a point in my life where I don't need to be stranded after a breakdown on my new bikes. My concerns are they haven't sorted out the niggles which I believe will continue to happen on very low hour bikes as they have been a few caught out with no dealership help (id be pissed with that after $20,000 spent) it looks like quality control went on holiday lol. Reliability is king provided it's close enough on power etc for a non racer to enjoy riding vs pushing the bike lol. I have not put enough hours on the KTM husky to give more feedback
You ask them about the spark arrestor why they don’t come with them or does the 24 have it? Does it have a capacitor to be able to push start with a dead battery?
Have had both linkage and pds on Ktm trail bikes. Both work well to me and have no preference but the extra clearance is nice. Wasn’t the biggest fan of the air fork though. Seemed like I could never get it to where I liked it
Nobody has ever explained why the PDS was not as good for MX. It is a rising rate system, with adjustable valve stacks. It is possible the few MX mechanics who had to use them, just gave up on them before they figured out the valving they wanted. If they did it like they would for a linkage, and that is all they wanted to understand, they probably would not find a good setting. If it simpler, (less maintenance), lighter, and works as it should, it is a winner in my book. Those air forks and no rear linkage probably knocked off at least 5 lbs from the bike.
The air forks sucked, the AER 48s were probably the worst to set up for variable riding conditions.
The PDS system is fine it is the WP shock that is the weak link. I got tired of not being able to properly dial in the rear suspension so I bought the Öhlins TTX shock and was amazed at how much better it performed. From the woods to the MX track it worked well.
Did you get one yet? I pick up a 250xcw on Wednesday. It will be my first 2 stroke so I'm pretty excited.
The EPA force made them too expensive. They has nothing on my 2-stroke YZ250 that I set up for the woods.
Speed shifter? You can do the same by letting off the gas a tinge for a up-shift and back on again. Yea, it is faster than fanning the clutch. I figured it out in 1984. lol
It is just a dirt bike and my YZ is amazing, (now that it is not too tall). More complexity/cost/maintenance is simply not worth it to me. We are going to price the sport to death.
I guess nothing good lasts forever.
I used to say that I would be good getting a 17 but now I'm convinced I need to wait for a 23 or 24. I guess my 08 will have to last a little while longer!
get a 2023 husky or ktm! rebates are hot rn one of my member just bought a 2023 te300 for 10.2 otd
A 17 is still worlds ahead of an 08. I went from an 09 to a 19 and it’s mind blowing
@@tillerjets that it is!
I'm trying to get a friend to sell me his 2021 but he had several others claiming it too. I also need to save some pretty pennies. Working on it though!
@@BSm2919 how old are you my friend.
I'm happy that I bought a 2023 KTM 300xc. Once I get the suspension done it seems like it will be the best of both worlds.
So will you be able to bypass the oil injection and pre-mix if you so choose? I know that wasn't recommended with the TPI
Yes and much easier than a tpi
Looking forward to an 300xc review and sweepstakes
So can I run an xc-w with premix only? My other bikes are all premix. I want to keep them all premix
After riding my brothers 24xc can confirm the turning radius runs much tighter than my 22 tx300.
Howzit champ! Thanks for the review. I have a few questions hope you can help IRT the 2022 TPI 250 six days vs the new 2024 TBi 250.
I'm a 100kg 187cm (loaded) rider and LOVE the nippy feeling of the 250 over the 300. But I just just need a bit more low down torque for the step step climbs.
Then the idling on the TPi on steep downhills (not being able to adjust idling) just sometimes stalls the bike.
Are we able to adjust idling on the new TBI?
So in short.
1. Is the low down torque more or less on the TBi
2. Can we adjust idling
Would you recommend 300 then?
1.) low down torque in white mapping is superb! You would no have seen something like this before on a ktm 2Stroke. 2.) actually i´m not sure. But for your problem you should try a flywheel weight on your tpi (better instant traction, less stalling on low rpm)
Are there any changes to the 2024 125 xc?
So I’m looking for a KTM that will be good for mountains, sand and all around OFFROAD use what do you consider a powerful yet? Best motor best handling KTM in your opinion.
Kyle is the 24 xc125 faster or better running than the 24 xcw 150 elaborate
What didn't the 150 do for you? I'm looking at 150s and am curious.
One thing that really bugs me in any motorcycle is vibration that transmits into the handlebars and footpegs. I currently have a 2020 250 XC-W TPI and am very pleased with it when it comes to this subject. I am seriously considering the 2024 300 XC-W and would like to know if it is as vibration free as my 250?
shouldn't be a big difference, ive ridden a ktm300 2020 and its good when it comes to vibrations.
There's a lot of good dirt bikes out there. With Pierer Mob's products you've got a good dealer network. That's a big plus.
Just curious if you got to test out a 150 tpi and how you compare them since you said you weren’t impressed by the TBI one. I looked back at your videos and didn’t see any 150s but I possibly missed it. Thanks!
The TPI 150’s were notorious for fouling plugs at cold start up. They also ran very inconsistently. Hopefully the TBI system will be a big improvement.
Been waiting for this!
Is the 2018 tpi any good 250
I have the 2024 300 XC-W. Put it to you this way... My son says it's an old man bike. It's like a Cadillac compared to our other bikes. I have overheated it once and punched a hole through the clutch cover, so yes, I have beat on it.
Forks better than stock KYB's that come on Sherco/Beta/Yamaha??? Thats a pretty bold statement
Right! Kyle almost passes out every time he gets a Yamaha then goes back to his KTM ways. For him to say that he either doesn’t have a Yamaha right now or means it. 😜
anti Japanese coping mechanism in full swing here as usual. justifying the heavy simpage for the orange Chinese dirt bike
Keep in mind he gets paid for this. You can't be impartial and be paid by company you are talking about. Not his fault it's his job
@@jamesgeorgevellavella1961 you just described propoganda
Having an oil pump on these bikes is nonsense. Having an oil pump adds weight, complexity, and cost, and reduces overall reliability, which is exactly what you don’t want in an off-road bike. You don’t ride these bikes to the gas station to fill up the tank, you fill them from gas cans. Terrible decision by KTM. Remove oil pumps, bring back the 200 engine, and include kick starters. Make 2 strokes great again!
Bring back the 200 with tbi, that would be a beast of a bike! I owned a 2016 200 xcw, the last of the 200's. I ride events all the time that use local gas stations vs a gas truck with cans to refuel. It sure is convenient with a tpi bike but I've also gone the route of bringing a small container of oil to do the same thing. I'm indifferent to either option. I'm sure whoever has to unload the gas truck prefers the gas station option.
I do long rides through the woods in the northeast, I do fill at gas stations on longer rides in the middle of nowhere. Happy to have the oil pump. Snowmobiles perfected the technology long ago for this. I've never had a 2stroke oil pump failure.
Whole reason I switched to an awesome rieju mr300 pro,ktm over complicating everything, suspension also so much better on the rieju, also feels alive so much more
@@danafinch7838 believe me ktm have,along with motors!
I love KTM and their other 2 brands but I 100% agree with this!
Lovely bikes a was looking at them and difference between tbi and tpi
How would you compare the new 24 XC-W's to the Sherco 2 strokes?
I ride a 21 SE 300 and have it jetted and suspension revalve, works a treat. Wondering if these new models are worth the upgrade
Riding a 23 sherco 250 2stroke.. love it. Not sure how they could beat the kyb setup. From fast single track to the narly stuff it works great. Backed down from a 300 it was pulling a little too hard on my shoulders.
@@woodysrockspyro6436 grip with your legs
How much difference would it really make to the average older woods rider between the '23 TPI and the '24 TBI ?
Based on the near total lack of videos of you on the TM, I’m guessing you haven’t bonded with it very well?
KTM lost their way when they dropped the 200. The 150 is POINTLESS.
Just picked up a 99 200 exc
I dont mind not having a kickstart - but I want to be able to push start.
I want a kick start
I've never seen a normal rider have issues kickstarting a warmed up 2 stroke lol
I got the 2023 300 XC Tbi bike and it eats spark plugs like candy. So many issues with the mapping. Any insight on the new tbi system on these XCW’s??? Because if it’s the same mapping I’m out!
It's people like you I listen to. You guys are the reason why I refused to buy new (I even get Husqvarna cheaper than the public but I'm still not wasting my cash on a new bike with KNOWN issues
@@jamesgeorgevellavella1961 I have to say - ktm released a new map last week. “Mandatory” for all TBI’s. I had it done yesterday and rode today. It is SO good!!! Still blowing some spooge but that might be from the previous stuff in the packing or header pipe. Supposedly they fixed the fueling. Definitely noticeable! And very encouraging!
Are you by chance going to review the Stark Varg?
Someone please tell me why everyone seems to be forgetting to mention the fact that the new 24 model 350excf’s are 9kg!!! Heavier than the previous year models…
That is hard to believe. Where’d you get that info?
They planned all of this, the xplore in the 17-18 excfs is limited to what a brand new xc/w/fw/f can handle, in terms of hi speed...
and is still good for basically any enduro situation.
Wah now I want a 24 lol Never thought Id get the 10 hours brand new to me 2018-isnt-good-enough-for-me blues...
But seriously, I hope we can all agree the 17 offroad model chassis was a major improvement, not even mentioning the motor...
1st I would buy a 24' 250 or 300 xc-w because of the front fork spring suspension. 2nd oil pump helps me, and i also think the oil pump keeps pumping oil when you let off the throttle at high speeds, helping longevity.
The new suspension sounds awesome! Real life question: would you buy a 2023 300xc on sale for $8700 or a 2024 300xc for $11300? Is the new suspension worth the extra real world dollars?
Kyle. Is the 300 xcw tuned to lower HP than the XC or SX? What about the 250 or 150?
I don't think they are tunes for less power. They are probably tuned for a smoother power through ignition timing, power valve springs, and tension, then possibly a different gearing in the gear box, but total power output should be really close if not the same.
I think I read xcw less hp than xc and sx. Ecu tuning and maybe cyl head.
@Alan Golightly I looked them up and the XC has a claimed 57hp and the XC-W has 51hp.
I just smashed my linkage open. Maybe should consider a xcw
My problem with KTM is they're getting REALLY proud of their bikes, and the price tag shows. $11,000 for a 150? Come, TF, on. I know the YZ125X hasn't changed much in years, but still. It's $7100. Even the Gas Gas EC 250 is the same price.
When the DBC KTM coming out?!
If jarvis says it, it's CORRECT>. lol.. he is a legend in his discipline. what we all want to know, is does it have the hit as good as the 23 300xc tbi
Just bought a 23 250XCW almost 2k off MSRP because they were about to come out with the 24s. Hopefully i don't regret my decision 😂
From what I can tell a remap on the TPI will make it run much like a TBI. Can’t imagine you’ll regret it.
Anyone know:
What is the advantage of TBI over TPI?
Also, how long has TM been TBI?
For us winter riders the TBI bikes won’t seize at cold startup like the TPI bikes do. This is because with TBI the fuel ( gasoline) will be injected at the same point in front of the reed block, allowing the fuel to act as a solvent and dilute the thick cold oil. We had 6 out of 12 TPI bikes cold seize in a 4 month period in the winter here in Washington State. Another significant TBI improvement is that the trouble prone CPS ( crankcase pressure sensor) has been reengineered as to location and size of the sampling tube. This should really make for more consistent performance. I used to sell CPS sensors out of my moto van at Staging as they failed so often.
I can’t find any lower footpegs for my 2023 tx 300. I feel more comfortable with lower footpegs
@@chadrides914 never had that issue with lowered footpegs
Wish I could afford them. But Id deff save up for one. They look like loads of fun
Keyboard warrior here. But still helping by watching amd commenting and watching. But we all know you are the ceo of ktm
It looks like you could remove the oil inject system pretty easy on the XCW and have it a premix system going forward.
And then when you finish with that, you can remove the FI system and go back to a carb too! Just add a kickstarter and your $14,000 YZ250 will be complete😍
ask outboard boat engine manufacturers how the oil injection worked out when they tried really hard to push for it lol
@@gumpycognac4505 😂 why don't you give us a contact to a manufacturer then?
@@tonn333 a simple google search will yield tons of discussions from years ago🤣..suzuki and Yamaha mainly. Wich even then, 80s- early 2000s were not lacking in r&d. nice response, I guess?
@@gumpycognac4505 I'm not going to ask them and even if I did I probably wouldn't get a response... Why don't you make a nice response yourself and tell us how did it work out for them?
Better than sherco’s KYB fork?
Question, Do the ktm 2 strokes foul plugs all the time like the older 2 strokes did?
Did you say ‘ahcherbees light’?
First thing I will do is find an after market kick start! Not having one is bullshit!
Raising the foot pegs is a huge red flag for me. I already run lowered foot pegs & bar risers on my 21 300. The triangle already favors shorter riders with shorter legs, why make it worse for us taller, long limbed riders?
As cool as the new w looks im going to have to go with the last year I can put a kick starter on . 100 mile plus back country rides in steep roadless areas. Can't afford to not have a back up way to start my buke.
Does everyone forget you can bump start a bike lol
Another big development is on the electronics side of the design.
No fuses or relays. All of that is electronically controlled.
I bought a 150exc and i hope the bike is lit😂
Exciting times 👍
I couldn’t be more excited! A road legal KTM EXC , updated … please !
Pumpkin fan boy back at it.
Will there be an Erzeburg rodeo version? Any thoughts on that? For 2023 it was a great option.
Problem with taking out steering stops is now the forks hit the radiators.
It doesn’t, depends on the bike tho
How about the husqvarnas have they been changed like the KTMs
They are the ones pushing the envelope? Maybe it's because they own 3 companies in one, monopoly at its best. Really cost effective for them like that plus they where on top by themselves for a long time
Lol I graduated too 😅
I wonder why KTM calls it the XC-W when here in Australia it's called the EXC?
Because they also have the exc in the u.s but it's all choked up with emissions control and is more of a road/trail setup than a proper enduro bike. Here in Aus we don't have to adhere to the stricter emissions laws as the U.S so we don't have a bike like that
You should open the sweepstakes to your Canadian supporters
I want to know about the 450 more. The two strokes are cool but I'm bored with the constant low rpm bogg bogg bogg sound they make on technical trails.
nice
Send one here to Scotland
This is petty but would love to see the triple clamps come in black. Makes you feel special ha
Manufacturers like to sell extra emissions equipment on new bikes as performance enhancing,which it is not 😂
Give me a carb and kickstart and im happy, thanks rieju 😊
Been watching ur videos for 8 years now keep up the good work. Last bike I owned was back in 93 rode it for 2 years sold it couldn't afford another I'm now 47 been saving g since watching ur videos finally after 8 yrs bought new bike brought it home broke it in left it in yard next morning it was gone guess it wasn't neat to be.
Not to mention dealer network, I don’t have beta, Sherco or Gas Gas - I have KTM and Husky and I really don’t care about Japanese bikes.
I like the close ratio transmission too the xc models have, wondering it the exc model is a wide ratio?
Yes
I can’t understand why KTM would bring only one 4 stroke W bike to the USA. That they chose the 450 is crazy.
I’d love another 250 w bike.
Im looking at a 2024 150. I wonder why he didnt enjoy it.
Idk why they push towards these boxy looking shrouds. Also, why get rid of the orange frame? The new models look older imo...
I've never bothered with KTM cause of the ridiculous purchase price with a bike that needs suspension work, they're a 20k proposition in Australia, hopefully the new suspenders are better out of the crate .
Buddy I'm Victoria. You can get them a bit cheaper atm as sales are very slow including husky. That being said the Erzbergrodeo is well over the 20k & you have to get spare plastics and protective gear on the bike. We pay HEAPS MORE than overseas which is BS
Not sure where you're buying them from
@@jamesgeorgevellavella1961 prices have come back a bit this year, Husky on the road prices were $17,700 .Kato's were dearer again, dealers have floor stock now and the 24 models are coming so hopefully the prices will come back even more, current prices are 15k on road, having said that Shercos are cheaper again and have KYB .
It's nearly as good as a Sherco 😂