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The UK is NO GOOD for IMG doctors | Doctors on Strike?
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- Ever heard the voices or read the posts/comments of others who have said that the UK is no good for international medical graduates (IMGs)? So Dr. Ibreez has discussed some of her own experiences as well as the current climate with the doctor's on strike in England.
Finally, she sums it up with a short discussion on whether the UK is the right choice for you.
**NOTE: The UK is made up of England, Wales, Scotland, & Northern Ireland. Currently, only the doctors in England are on strike, while Scotland has suspended strikes pending a pay offer.
📑 Chapters:
00:00 Bomb-diggity intro
01:19 The voices that discourage you
03:25 The story of the successful registrar
09:08 The elephant in the room
11:51 Why this is important for IMGs
13:04 Scared of strikes?
13:56 Is it the right time for me?
16:39 Wrap up
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hello, i just had a confusion regarding the pathway to UK. if i finish my internship abroad (counts as fy1) then work abroad too and get my crest form signed after 3 months. can i apply to core training in UK or do i have to complete 24 months post gradiation first? (complete 12 months of work after internship)
hey, thanks for explaining everything so wel
couple of question regarding other topic
1. so if i want to get my crest form signed in india? apart from 1 year internship i should work for another year ? it is good if i work in the department i want to apply right ? like i want to enter derma
so i first need to do IMT so should i work in medicine department or derm departmenr for my crest form?
2. you said you got your crest form signed ? so you did fy2 or fy2 equivalent non training job? and for how long did you do it in uk?
Question- Hello mam is it okay if i take a gap year or two between my internship and Plab without any house job just some time for myself? Does it decrease my chance of getting a job?
I love you and your videos! Thanks for the encouragement and lots more!
You are so welcome!
The reason many docs are moving to aus and striking is because they want better pay compared to what was before.
And most uk docs are leaving to aus because they can have a better quality of life because aus pays more.
But ultimately getting into surgical specialties and other competitive specialties in aus is really hard for an img where as in uk the field is even. Aus prefers aus mchd doctors over any img. So it’s better to stick with uk if you are looking for a certain specialty rather than being a gp.
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It doesn't matter if you're an Australian-educated doctor, if you don't have permanent residence or citizenship, then you are SOOL and will basically spend your medical career as a permanent SHO/PHO
Awesome video ! Thank you ! Needed this
You're so welcome!
Thanks a lot. I totaly relate how they made u feel.This video made me feel so good and right about my own path ❤
So glad!
Great video, Ibreez. Thank you for all the guidance.
Glad it was helpful!
Proud of what you are doing.Thankyou very much and please keep going🙏❤️
Always!
I have recently done mbbs from Ukraine is there any pathway i can work or do an internship in uk without plab
Meanwhile me being a plab aspirant and from India , wondering about my internship days of 36 hrs duties and no post duty offs 😆. For me UK seems better in terms of pay and work timings. I feel people who are complaining about working hours and less pay must be sent here to some of the developing countries so that they can get taste of what really exhaustion means in terms of physical and mental health🤭. By the way loved the video, your channel helps me being motivated and to work more and more towards my goal😊.
Grass is always greener on the other side. 60% of that shiny sticker price salary goes into taxes. So not much wortth
You will save more in india than here
A 12 hour shift in an NHS ward can leave you so exhausted that you spend the whole post call off duty sleeping and still have no work life balance
The happiest people in one country would still be happy in another and vice versa. Always Pros and Cons.
It's best to go for the place that suits your personality and aspirations.
Child care and work life balance was way better in my home country. However career advancement is better for me in the UK.
So it's pros and cons.
@@DrVamsikrishnai agree with you about the tax system and i disagree at the same time .come on 60 percent for taxes? 😆have you been in NHS? DID YOU HAVE ANY WORK EXPERIENCE IN NHS? And coming to the saying which would suit the most would be "where the grass is greener i bet the water bill is bigger" Not to mention the ahem*reservation system in India affecting not only securing a PG seat but also employment in govt. Sector.
@@ezinneerhirhieneeukaogo1439 agreed 👍and very well said . Its all about perspective and aspirations.
Long shifts...but time off..if you don't want to do long shifts, you don't have to. Flexible working with options for less than full time...things I could never dream of anywhere else! But still we like to complain 😅
Hello Mam , I am an graduate from Philippines with internship, but don't have registered license here or of home country, can I give Plab exam and what will be steps , please guide, thank you
Where do you study your medical degree in UK or in US?
Salaam :) Please, can you make videos about the 2024 deaneries, the different programs (ex. FP, SFP, etc), how many spots are available for each deanery, details about the deanery locations, how to strategize ranking, the clinical assessment, etc.? I am from the U.S. and applying and do not know how to find more information about this. Thank you so much
Hi doctor I have been following your videos for a long time i have a Q f a doctor comes to uk on care home visa can he switch it to the one which is for doctors or can he give plab or MRCP exam having this health care assistant/ care home visa f No then can it be switched in order to give such exams or continue carrier as doc in uk plz plz tell me
Inspirational, as always. Keep it up!
Thanks a ton!
Is this necessary to get license from medical college to eligible for ukmla
Kindly make a video on whether the recent Changes on the health and care worker visa affect IMGS currently on their journey to the UK and if yes, in what ways??
What recent changes? The cost and processing has improved in the last year.
Great video well put
Glad you think so!
Very useful content, thanks🎉🎉🎉
You're welcome 😁
i heard that there is a shortage of doctors in the UK but the curve of shortage has shifted towards a shortage of consultants and that junior doctor jobs are available but less so than before
is this true?
Nope. Check the GMC workforce report 2022 for a detailed analysis.
@@Drabc123 Why have you only sent 40 job applications? If you've had a license since February, you should at minimum be applying for 5-10 jobs a day.
Check out our series on how to apply for NHS jobs, as there is definitely a trick you are missing.
@@Drabc123broseph over here only applied to 40 jobs in 6 months and be like why I have no job 😅
Exquisite video! Love the unflinching honestly and NO drama! 💙💙
Thank you so much!!
Thank you for your kind words, bless your heart
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This was a supporting video for IMG's thanku for sharing it..
Glad you liked it!
That was a breath of fresh air
You are so welcome!
Thank you for this revelation Dr. Ibreez❤
You're welcome!
Thank You!! ❤
You're welcome 😊
Hey Ibreez, can doing rotations in the US help someone get a job @the NHS (USCE after GMC registration)?
if you really want to do this, its fine but overall, i think you would be better off doing rotations in the UK and its less costly in my experience to do the rotations and it allows you lots of experiences and those consults easily get you into a job position. i did my rotations in London while commuting from St. Albans
No, unfortunately it won't be of much use. If you feel like you want to do an observership or attachment (they aren't mandatory), you're better off doing them in the UK.
We have a video discussing them: czcams.com/video/Om1u9l5ZNUo/video.html
@@okumangodfreyemmanuel7615 Only challenge is that it's easier to get even paid rotations in the US than in UK. Would be more than willing to maintain my focus with clinical attachments in UK even if paid
@@RoadToUK thanks lots. Hope that getting them again won't be too much of hustle to the extent of PLAB2 visa expiry.....b1/b2 US visas have longer validity (another apparent advantage)
@@IreneN267 Most people do them on the tail end of their PLAB 2, and with a six month validity you have more than enough time. But as said above, they aren't mandatory and won't keep you from getting a job/training.
This was quite wholesome👍
Thanks!
Hi Ibreez! After passing Plab 2 as an IMG, what is my immigration status as I begin applying for jobs in the UK?
You won't have a status as such. You'll need to opt for requiring sponsorship for a work visa.
Thank you ❤
You're welcome 😁
indeed...move, dont moan....after nine years and specialist training completion i left UK for my home country in 2019... loved it and can visit UK in holidays but not work...still loved my time in NHS as the challenges made me a better person and a better doc..
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Which country are you from Dr?
Dr can u tell about jobs availability?
People say that it's very difficult now to get job after plab
Please see: czcams.com/video/KWlh5rn8hE0/video.htmlsi=jc7Xrj7KNut18KT0
Great words as usual. I agree with everything you've said and unfortunately it's a reality of life and especially, without being offensive, a common trait in certain ethnic groups to try and put ppl down or deceive ppl for personal gain. (I too am of that ethnicity so can speak from experience).
My question however and this may be slightly off tangent, is what would you say to the statement that standards of UK medicine are dropping? This new wave of IMG recruitment while on the surface fun and exciting, I think after moving here hides a deeper layer of dropping standards. We are well aware of the difficulties previous generations have had even with massive experience getting jobs and training and I was personally extremely surprised to get an interview for nearly every job I applied to when I first came and regularly see ppl come straight into training from abroad now. And ultimately one could make the argument the government will continue to actively recruit and lower standards to plug gaps and absolve itself of having to improve standards or conditions for doctors, in essence drowning the market with cheap labour.
I by no means think I am a super genius worthy of the best ranks but the relative ease with which I got in to a job and the training and so on are making me pause and wonder. Also I have other issues with the practise of medicine here; scope creep, rotational training, service provision etc beyond the scope of this discussion but I am also now contemplating the US and was wondering what your thoughts are on that? (aware of longer hours, harsher conditions etc) where ultimately my aim is to be trained in cutting edge or at least the best medicine has to offer (which sadly the UK seems to be slumping into mediocrity from)
One could say the implementation of UKMLA would address this. A standardized exam that both UK and IMG doctors would need to take should definitely hamper that.
Shortage of doctors but still takes months to secure a job in the nhs!😢 why so?
Please see: czcams.com/video/JTB4CXSxLYs/video.html
Mam when will the slots be open for ukmla 2024 after june 2023
Email GMC for this information.
if you're reading this Ibreez! No matter how much i pray for the best of you, no matter how many good wishes you receive from everyone, it still would NEVER make up for all the motivation, the clarity, the insight that you provide to aspirants like us moving into a totally new world of uncertainty. Your words act like a lamp thru sheer darkness. I pray the best of you and your husband..ameen.
Wow, thank you!
May Allah reward you for being sincere
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Doctors' pay since 2008 has fallen by 16% taking CPI into consideration.
And including house prices as well, it has fallen about 26%!
Doctors are not being able to rent some good sized apartments while having a partner, and more so, not ready to start a family because of pay erosion.
Certainly there are problems and that's the reason they've been going on strikes and planning more in the coming months.
Doctors in Australia earn double the amount.
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Shukran ukhti
'Afwan 😊
Nice..
Thank you!
hello can we get any scholarships for indian doctors to do speciality training in UK after GMC registration.
There is no cost for training.
@@RoadToUK thank you!
Nailed it
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Fy1 can you make a new video about it??
We have.
I guess what she wants to say is that working in the UK , US or for that matter at any part of the world is a personal choice.
But since she has come from US and then practising in UK so, she certainly has some credible point to make whenever she talks about the benefits of working in the NHS.
Her point is totally clear there are problems every where and in every field.
However I think the reason why we Indians or any other med grads start considering about working in the US or UK is because we don't like the work culture, the atmosphere, the crazy works shifts in our home countries and most importantly we are craving for a lifestyle of living in a developed country.
Just think of it like when we were preparing for our medical school and so many people who were already doctors or medical students used to demoralise us why you want to become a doctor, dont you want a happy and peaceful life all those basless advise which makes no sense. So I used to think if its that bad then why are you doing it. Who is forcing you to do it. Such people are everywhere they dont want others to succeed or follow their path because that way they wont be unique anymore.
Anyways, this channel is for those who have started their journey for working in the NHS and just dont know where to start or how to make their dreams come and its not about telling everyone that UK is the best, there is no other workplace better than this... No thats not what this channel is about.
Road to Uk is the biggest and the most credible channel that I have come across in my journey to Uk and I regret why I didn't discover it earlier. Because you guys gave a clear direction to my long lost love to work in UK.
@roadtouk
Yes exactly! Good luck in your journey 😁
@@RoadToUK Thank you.❤️
More power to you guys 💪. Keep inspiring 😊.
NHS 15 YEAR PLAN by Rishi Sunak
Does that decrease chances for an IMG getting a job?
No.
Thank you so much for this much needed video!! 🫶🫶🫶
No problem 😊
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I’ve heard many docs talking about Australia and how practicing there is way better than the uk and they were supper serious about pushing docs from uk to Australia….
Than when I asked one of them if they ever been to Australia before or practicing there … the answer was negative, which means they just want to keep the uk for them and they don’t want new competitions
That’s my opinion
Thats bs, uk is a shithole and the proof is in the pudding i.e they're striking because of pay and shortage of staff. Short on staff because they dont educate enough but ALSO dont retain enough either as most drs want to leave at the first chance
@@JamesBond-io3ux I work in Australia and am leaving within a year. Australia isn't the land of milk and honey either. Sure, you'll earn double of what the NHS pays but if you aren't a permanent resident or citizen, then most training pathways are closed to you and you'll just be doing grunt work as a JHO or SHO. At least the UK doesn't discriminate based on your residence status. This makes it much easier to get into a training program without having to waste years as a glorified administrative assistant.
@@boogadoo6195 not only that but correct me if Im wrong NHS/UK doesnt discriminate based on age either
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@@RoadToUK ill take that as a yes :)
Well, compared to our country where doctors are being arrested just because they’re treating people, everywhere else seems like a better place tbh
This is a pretty biased video imo. I have heard people who are ALREADY working in the UK as junior doctors and they talk about how joining the NHS rn is like walking in a sinking ship. They are planning on leaving the country as soon as they are done with their training. These are the people who have absolutely no benefit from me NOT going to the UK.. all of them are giving their sincere opinions.. They even mentioned about the benefits as compared to other countries like work life balance, which is also under stress because of the constant strikes. Please make a video which presents facts as it is so that IMGs can make an informed decision. Just negating the other side saying it's all an overhype is not the way to go about it. Judt my opinion.
So why are they staying in the ship now if it is still sinking? Why wait is the question we've asked? Also, again, the entire country is not striking- just England.
Our entire channel is us talking about our experiences and showing the day to day. We are as transparent as can be in terms of pay, lifestyle, work hours, and what needs doing to ensure a productive balance.
Oftentimes we find IMGs are reluctant to speak up or hold their own, which is why we've even gone so far as to create resources to support them- but unless you know your rights, you will struggle.
@@RoadToUK Not all are! there are so many junior docs who have left and started preparing for MLE too.. The contact I knew was a CT2 and leaving the UK right now means you're leaving midway without any degree for your work.. She even mentioned if it was some other country atleast she could've recd a degree for specialty and left.. but since the UK specialty and sub specialty both needs to be done before you get a course completion, people often feel stuck there with a larger commitment and even more uncertainty regarding their coming years.. so in short, they are stuck in the sinking ship and abandoning it means just dropping whatever hardwork you'd put it while signing up for it and so they continue it.(atleast this was her reason which made sense to me)..
My point is just this, not all people who advise on not coming to UK are people with sadistic mentality who don't want us to do well or have a competitive mentality.. There are many people who are helpless and genuinely advise against not coming to the UK because they don't want us to go through what they are going through..
All I want you guys to do is put GENUINE INFORMATION on how things are and not just opinions.. Just remember you guys are influencing thousands of IMGS in making a huge career choice and all of them deserve to make an informed choice knowing all the pros and cons of what they're getting into..
Please tell me then what we have said that is false? Why are we still here, and how are we surviving and thriving? Again, we redirect you to the last two points in the comment before.
Depending on the stage of completion, they do receive an outcome that shows their work/competencies. Even if they did obtain a CCT, that wouldn't automatically be accepted in different countries as they all have their own standards.
Sure, not all are, but if they are advising you not to, we can safely say they are biased with their own bad experience. Anecdotally and with our own knowledge and experience and having been and stayed in contact with thousands of IMGs, we are seeing their growth and success.
Many people don't Match in the USA, or get their visas revoked halfway through training/career, or spend a fortune working towards a program that ultimately drops them- but does that mean the USA is a sinking ship?
No of course not. There is good and bad everywhere, and as we've said in this video, it's up to you to make a calculated and educated decision that's right for you. If you feel that the UK is not your cup of tea, then don't pursue it. Simple as that.
But saying that 'this is bad' or 'no one should come' is an intrinsic bias in itself.
Okayy.. and yes agreed on the part that there are pros and cons everywhere.. All I wanted is for you guys to address the cons sincerely with all seriousness and not just brush it off giving it "selfish" tangent for all those who advise not come to the UK.. There is a genuine problem and all the IMGs want to know what the problem is, how serious are the matter, roughly how long are the things gonna last, how do you predict the course of events ahead and everything on those aspects..It seemed to me from the video that you guys didn't address those adequately hence I commented..
Also I really love your work and I've gotten a lot of insights and information thanks to your videos so I am always grateful for that! Just felt this video could've been better if you could've explained the ground truth better so that us IMGs can know the entire picture of what we are walking into when we choose PLAB and hence the comment. Peace! ❤
Can get locum pay, work when I want, time off when I want, life as I want to live. No problem with schools, no need to bribe, no government issues bothering me and keeping me from progress.
Long shifts...but time off..if you don't want to do long shifts, you don't have to. Flexible working with options for less than full time...things I could never dream of anywhere else! But still we like to complain 😅
People who are unhappy leave. You don't want to come? More for us! So why even waste your time and breath??
So true 🤟🏼 those who want to leave,just leave.
Tell about ukmla as well .
We have several videos covering UKMLA on our channel. Please check them out!
I think doctors r generally underpaid despite the hard work they do. Be it India or UK or any other place. Especially when u compare us with other jobs like content creators or bankers or engineers who earn shit loads of money we r paid almost nothing. We r told to be satisfied with serving people and its a sin to think about money.
There is no job anymore.Only the experienced people r getting clinical attachment and jobs later on.Its not like before sister
That's definitely not the case. Having fist hand experience and seeing many job applications on a daily basis (as well as the comprehensive data from GMC), there is more need now than ever. The same amount of effort, however, needs to be done and maintained in working to obtain a job.
this is absolutely false. there are still job openings all the time. one thing though is that lots and lots of PLAB positions are becoming hard to comeby. got a job last month and i am full of gratitude
@Drabc123 you should send more applications. I got my first interview after 130 applications. Keep trying!
@herbalheidy7131.. It’s not true. I have graduated last year(only internship experience) and managed to get 2 clinical attachments in England after sending lot of emails to various consultants. Keep trying!
As of now , USMLE is far better and easier than PLAB
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Has the government stopped the funding the NHS? One of my senior who is working in NHS, recently told me something like that.
No.
I know a lot of doctors who left uk and moved to Australia. Cost of living is getting so high and income very low compared to other fields .
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Complete BS. Its called projection in psych I guess. This is definitely not the general view. I came here in 2015, would leave right now if could. I have kids here now and I am stuck, its not easy to move and start from scratch again.
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Things are the worst here. No one should come here
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