Stephen A. & Max disagree on Tom Brady’s GOAT status if he wins Super Bowl LV | First Take
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- Stephen A. Smith, Max Kellerman and Marcus Spears debate whether Tom Brady will be the greatest winner in sports if the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defeat Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl LV.
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Whose here after Brady destroyed KC?
spelled defense wrong
These videos are so much more satisfying after the fact! 🐐
@@mallyrawl9558 did the defense score any points?
@@andrewhocher you’re dense
@@mallyrawl9558 31 points man
when max said fate of the universe on the line i rly thought he was gonna say iguoadala
whos mac
Fr
No 🧢 bro
😂😂
I WANT IGUODALA!
Who’s here after Brady got his 7th ring ?
@Jonathan West MJ won 6...
@Jonathan West he’s ahead
@Jonathan West oh wow, okay then
@Jonathan West two different sports, so what "record" are you talking about? Brady earned all of his rings but calm down, there are other nba players than have more rings than Jordan, the reason why Jordan's 6 rings are significant is because he is the reason for all 6 of them, learn some history
@@starstarstar4643 Right, sick of these morons comparing players from different sports lmao.
STEPHEN A & MAX IN HIGHSCHOOL:
Coach: “what jersey number you want ?”
Stephen A: “GIVE ME THURTYYYYYY”.
Max K: “GIVE ME IGOUDALA!,”
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I'm crying bro
@Jonathan West stay off that meth
Max: The fate of the universe on the line, the ball in the hands of any athlete ever, I WANT IGOUDALA
GLA greatest living American
Bruh they made a movie about that exact scenario and pretty sure Bill Murray was the answer...
It would still be MJ lol
Game 6 Klay
on god tho that year Iggy was green light on 2K
Can we stop this. Even if Brady loses, he’s still the greatest quarterback in NFL history
That’s not what they’re debating idiot
Mahomes is the goat if he wins
@@Pubify17 boy no tom brady is still the goat whether he wins or not
Stop The Cap mahomes needs 4 chips to be goat over Brady.
@@Pubify17 I ain’t even a Brady fan lmao but y’all absolutely trippin mahomes might be the best TALENT WISE but he ain’t even top 5 most achieved QB yet you’re so stupid lol
"Modern era GOAT"
This makes no sense at all.
GOAT period
System QB. The Robert Horry of the NFL
@@patrickbateman9115 your name is fitting considering you aren’t right in the head
Should be GOTT Greatest Of This Time..
@@patrickbateman9115
Rob Parker fanboy. You'll be eating crow dipped in bitter sauce for the rest of your days, lol.
Was sure Max was gonna say Iguadala again ffs 💀
The same year Tom Brady goes to Tampa Bay, you have Tampa bay Lightning win the Stanley cup, and Tampa Bay Rays make it to the World Series not to mention Super Bowl is in Tampa Bay this year and Tampa Bay is the first team ever to play in the Super Bowl in their home stadium. How can you not think this bs is rigged?
@@tylerdorso7830 so all the sports are rig in sync with each other? Sounds like too much work, there’s only so much they can do to make all these things happen, these are people. They’re not God, they can’t just decide who they want in the finals/bowl/cup/World Series every year. Too many moving parts of players and personalities. No it’s not rigged to the level your implying, this isn’t boxing where the mafia tells a guy to go down in the 5th round. Way too many players to do that
No you weren't u jus wanted likes lame 🤣🤣
“That’s right guys. Keep disagreeing.” - ESPN brass
Thats the point. How boring would it be to hear "hes the goat" "yep"
Next topic
I enjoy this show more watching them agree, not yelling with one of them having an autistic take
😂😂😂
The same year Tom Brady goes to Tampa Bay, you have Tampa bay Lightning win the Stanley cup, and Tampa Bay Rays make it to the World Series not to mention Super Bowl is in Tampa Bay this year and Tampa Bay is the first team ever to play in the Super Bowl in their home stadium. How can you not think this bs is rigged
I agree about what ESPN but i think its we agree MJ is the best, Tom Brady is the best pro athlete in the history of sport bc MJ quit early BUT MJ quit early bc he was so dominant that it was boring for him at that point
“Mahomes is the most talented ever”
What’s the point of football, to win... who’s the best at winning. Just cus it’s not flashy Brady makes the right passes and least mistakes better than anyone.. THATS THE MOST TALENTED
Smartest and most dedicated. Work ethic is legendary
If you got the most talent but not as many wins that makes you a massive underachiever. Rogers is one and Mahomes will be one too if he wins less than 4 superbowls
Tampa dropped the blueprint on beating Mahomes.
Correct, efficiency and production combined in the position of QB is what Brady has. In this position, the cerebral element is also talent in the biggest degree of any sport. Way more than in basketball, not even remotely close. It's not even a close argument.
@@KimfromSoCal Robert Horry has more Championships than Michael Jordan. Tom Brady is literally the NFL Robert Horry
Who’s here after tom brady won the super bowl?
@Jonathan West wdym?
@Jonathan West 😂😂😂👀 what are you talking about, he won end of story
Tom Brady just won his 7th ring at 43 years old! Goat!
@Jonathan West Jordan lost several times in the playoffs to the bad boy pistons earlier in his career. The bulls couldn't get past that team for like 4 years in a row, at least lmao....
@@ryanmckenna9330 he never lost in the finales Brady did 3 times
So how many more times does Brady need to make it and/or win before we stop this stupid comparison?
@@kasozar3800 Brady was winning super bowls at the same age that Jordan was retired and playing golf.
@@Bustaperizm There is no comparison Jordan will always have a bigger impact than Tom Brady thats what people don’t understand MJ will always be the best athlete
13 people have 6 rings in the nba and 1 person has 6 rings in the nfl cmon now
Dumb comment sir
It is harder in football to win a title. Baseball and Hockey are probably tied for a close second.
Robery Horry has 7 rings Dirk has 1 does that make him a better player then Dirk no it does not Dan Marino has 0 rings Trent Dilfer has 1 does that make Dilfer better then Marino no it does not MJ was 6 for 6 it never went to a 7th game ever he was never even down 2 games to 1 ever in a finals he only trailed in a finals twice down 1-0 thats it they lost the first game in 91 the furst finals and in ot game 1 the last finals MJ is the best to ever do it he won all 6mvps aswell while avg over 33pts in his finals career gtfo MJ all day but it doesnt matter cause its all rigged and scripted look into Gematria u will see
@@slickrick2685 rings aren’t the only thing that matter the point was that tom brady’s 6 rings in football are more groundbreaking than jordan’s 6 rings in basketball
@@slickrick2685 you watch zach too?
After TB12, no one will ever again, Ever ever again be playing in 10 Super Bowls.....
Why retire?
Maybe win another Superbowl!
Haters hate greatness.
Injuries and family time
But yeah as a fan I want him to play till he's 65
@Mike Byrne Haters hate greatness comment.
Successful men like him!
You're an idiot and only live in the now. Montana never lost a Super Bowl and holds the record for most passes without an interception. He also has the all time record passer rating in the Super Bowl at 127.8 and won two of them without Jerry Rice. Brady couldn't get it done with Randy Moss and an elite defense against Eli and the Giants. Career backup Nick Foles also got one over your GOAT. The year the Patriots beat the Rams, the defense held Goff to 3 points while Brady throws an INT and no TDs. Malcolm Butler sealed the game against Seattle. Against the Eagles, the defense picked off McNabb three times to seal that win. Brady's QB play did not matter or effect the outcome. Not what I would call the greatest to ever to it. Montana is the GOAT. Undefeated when it mattered and has the stats to back it up. The most accomplished player is not always the GOAT. It's the same as Jordan is the NBA GOAT and not Bill Russell
@@patrickbateman9115 you mean Montana only went to four super bowls? Pfffttt hahahaahaa
‘Come on guys, going to FEWER championships is the hallmark of the GOAT!’
But I also agree the most integral part of the football team, the quarterback, is absolutely NOT responsible for the team making it to the championship game TEN TIMES! Lmao dude this is classic right here.
55 years of superbowls: most accomplished organization, 6 championships max for an ENTIRE team History
20 years of Brady: 7 championships
@Patrick Bateman: ‘well, it’s definitely NOT because of Brady...’
Mfs just disagree for attention at this point. He’s been the goat since the atl Super Bowl comeback
Word
Preach
Facts
Holding the Rams to 3 points and throwing an INT and no TDs is your greatest QB? Losing twice to Eli Manning? How about Nick Foles? Your elite defense carrying you while only throwing for 200 yards is the play of the greatest QB ever? Being suspended four games for deflate gate and your first Super Bowl started on a tuck rule? Matt Cassel filled in and won 11 games. I can go on but Brady minions can never be convinced
@@patrickbateman9115 nobody cares + Brady has more rings then your favorite players combined L
You can’t be the modern goat....kinda ignores the “all time”
Hear hear
It’s cause football dramatically changed over the decades. QB passing was a lot harder back in the 80’s. Brady clearly has had the greatest career but...he’s not the most dominant.
@@ericlind6581 By that logic, Montana could never be the GOAT, even though he was the consensus GOAT, because QB passing was a lot harder back in the '70s.
And Bradshaw could never be the GOAT, because QB passing was a lot harder back in the '60s.
And Unitas could never be the GOAT, because QB passing was a lot harder back in the '50s.
How far back would you like to go to find the GOAT?
@@ericlind6581 10 super bowl appearances in his career, yet he's not the moat dominant??? Than who is?
@@ericlind6581 L
BRADY IS GOAT
NOT EVEN DEBATABLE CLOWNS
@Jonathan West that's terrible reasoning.
Jordan was on a great team!
Brady took a different team to the Superbowl and won again!
7 Championships, still more than Jordan's 6 .
@Jonathan West ten Super Bowls better being eliminated In the earlier rounds.....
@Jonathan West jordan lost more than he won 6/15 cant be undefeated when you played 15 years getting to the big game is part of winning so bye
@Jonathan West jordan lost every year he played in the league besides the 6 he won are you stupid?
You're an idiot and only live in the now. Montana never lost a Super Bowl and holds the record for most passes without an interception. He also has the all time record passer rating in the Super Bowl at 127.8 and won two of them without Jerry Rice. Brady couldn't get it done with Randy Moss and an elite defense against Eli and the Giants. Career backup Nick Foles also got one over your GOAT. The year the Patriots beat the Rams, the defense held Goff to 3 points while Brady throws an INT and no TDs. Malcolm Butler sealed the game against Seattle. Against the Eagles, the defense picked off McNabb three times to seal that win. Brady's QB play did not matter or effect the outcome. Not what I would call the greatest to ever to it. Montana is the GOAT. Undefeated when it mattered and has the stats to back it up. The most accomplished player is not always the GOAT. It's the same as Jordan is the NBA GOAT and not Bill Russell
Brady best ever in QB history and he’s putting to the Chiefs as we speak.
He just surpassed mj
@@marcelkuhn5310 not even close 🤦🏽♂️😂
@Nero IV disagree it’s actually the opposite lol. He doesn’t have the most championships throughout sports or a perfect record. It really shouldn’t be up for debate. Now greatest football player. You can’t disrespect Brady but greatest athlete ever is ridiculous.
@Nero IV Of course, someone had to bring up race. Welcome to America.
@@IQGUARDIANGuardian they think throwing the ball is better than Running defending dunking shootin
Even if he loses 40-0 he’s still the goat
Indeed sir
indeed goat
Yes sir just like Lebron is the goat even though he’s 4-6
Even with 7 int
40-0 ? In what lol
When Max said fate of the world on the line , we all know what comes next 😂😂
Of everyone in golden state open shot fate of the universe on the line or the martians have the death beam pointedly better hit it. I WANT IGUODALA
IGUOLDOLA
IGUODOLA!!!!
I WANT IGWADALAH
*FATE bro
Steven A is absolutely right here. How often do NFL teams win back to back championships, never mind multiple consecutive? Almost never. It's rare when an NBA champ DOESN'T win consecutive championships. Let's face it, it's harder to stay on top in the NFL. In my mind, this makes Bradys accomplishments even more astonishing. The NFL is built for parity, Tom Brady has overcome it.
Max, Brady’s “off the cliff” time has been better than most QBs have in their entire careers. He’s going two more years too.
That two year comment I heard 6 years ago
MAX “FATE OF THE UNIVERSE” KELLERMAN
“I want Igoudala”
@@Cevloreal at that point in the finals curry wasn’t clutch when it came to big shots and iguodala was that’s why he said that and i agreed with him at that point but i don’t understand why nobody listens if you actually listen and actually watch that finals that year curry wasn’t clutch and wasn’t hitting big shots
The same year Tom Brady goes to Tampa Bay, you have Tampa bay Lightning win the Stanley cup, and Tampa Bay Rays make it to the World Series not to mention Super Bowl is in Tampa Bay this year and Tampa Bay is the first team ever to play in the Super Bowl in their home stadium. How can you not think this bs is rigged
the boxing journalist who knows other sports better 🤣🤣🤣
Tom Brady is a goat and for all the haters good luck and for all the people that said that he was too old you're never too old to play in sports
of course you are but not Tom Brady haha
You're an idiot and only live in the now. Montana never lost a Super Bowl and holds the record for most passes without an interception. He also has the all time record passer rating in the Super Bowl at 127.8 and won two of them without Jerry Rice. Brady couldn't get it done with Randy Moss and an elite defense against Eli and the Giants. Career backup Nick Foles also got one over your GOAT. The year the Patriots beat the Rams, the defense held Goff to 3 points while Brady throws an INT and no TDs. Malcolm Butler sealed the game against Seattle. Against the Eagles, the defense picked off McNabb three times to seal that win. Brady's QB play did not matter or effect the outcome. Not what I would call the greatest to ever to it. Montana is the GOAT. Undefeated when it mattered and has the stats to back it up. The most accomplished player is not always the GOAT. It's the same as Jordan is the NBA GOAT and not Bill Russell
Lies again? Royce Supplement
Anyone else watching this after Brady already got his 7th ring lol
If brady wins this suberbowl he will have more superbowl rings than any team in nfl history
Mission Accomplished
3:57-4:08 bro I was so ready for him to say “ I want iGUAdala”
“Fate of the universe on the line, I want iguoadala”
If Tom Brady wins Super Bowl “LV” he would get his “34th” all time playoff win?
L is the “12th” letter in the alphabet so L = 12
V is the “22nd” letter in the alphabet, so V= 22
(L) (V)
12 + 22 = “34”. Lv= 34
“i-iiii-iiiii-iiiil-iiill acce-iiii-iiiiiii-iiiiiii-iiiii-iiiiiiii-i’ll-iiiiiii-i’ll accept that molly “
Brady just won his 7th!!!!! There is no more argument!! He is the G.O.A.T.
GOAT OF THE NFL YES!
He's the goat of frequently being on the good side of the refs.
@@godlesssociety7135 You're an idiot and only live in the now. Montana never lost a Super Bowl and holds the record for most passes without an interception. He also has the all time record passer rating in the Super Bowl at 127.8 and won two of them without Jerry Rice. Brady couldn't get it done with Randy Moss and an elite defense against Eli and the Giants. Career backup Nick Foles also got one over your GOAT. The year the Patriots beat the Rams, the defense held Goff to 3 points while Brady throws an INT and no TDs. Malcolm Butler sealed the game against Seattle. Against the Eagles, the defense picked off McNabb three times to seal that win. Brady's QB play did not matter or effect the outcome. Not what I would call the greatest to ever to it. Montana is the GOAT. Undefeated when it mattered and has the stats to back it up. The most accomplished player is not always the GOAT. It's the same as Jordan is the NBA GOAT and not Bill Russell
He's the GOAT of Football thats it
No way she call them two divas 😂
She’s one to talk
Got a dude banned from espn for talking to here in a way she thought was disrespectful
I can’t even watch this show cuz of her. They need to give her, her own show that way no one can watch it. Lol
4:00 “I want iguadala”
The same year Tom Brady goes to Tampa Bay, you have Tampa bay Lightning win the Stanley cup, and Tampa Bay Rays make it to the World Series not to mention Super Bowl is in Tampa Bay this year and Tampa Bay is the first team ever to play in the Super Bowl in their home stadium. How can you not think this bs is rigged
@@tylerdorso7830 would this be the same for Philly a few years ago?
Max: "by MJ's 3rd season he was considered the best"
Me: 🤔 This is Brady's 2nd time to get to the SB, as a first year starting QB for a team.
@Aaron9 😂 you're still a child. Hit me up when the NBA allows tackling
The reason cheifs loss because stpehen a smith said the cheifs would win.
3:58 Im BAFFLED Max didn’t say “I want Iguadola”
Compare Jordan at 43 to Brady at 43, I rest my case
Different sports
Different sport, Brady doesn't have to play defense
@@hakimkehrer3164 bradys sport and position is way harder my guy
@@hakimkehrer3164 And barely gets hit ever. They always called Brady a "clean Jersey QB" while I was growing up. Not the goat
@@johnnyseltz1145 😂 Jordan ran bout fast as Tyreek Hill on his 40 be serious.. Brady look like a couch potato
Tom “ Dropping loads on Patrick Mahone “ Brady
Tom Brady is already the greatest winner in team sports. He’s been on his own level and no one will ever come close to do what he has done.
Robert Horry is 7-0 in the Finals. More clutch
@@patrickbateman9115 7-3 is better than 7-0…
@@patrickbateman9115 and horry was just a role player not the greatest star in the league like brady
Brady has 7 SB's. I hate to say it, but Brady has a argument.
An argument? Bruh it's not even close anymore. Mahomes will have to win 8 to be the goat after this. Plus, he probably not going to stop.
@@Atheist603 I think he’s talking about him surpassing MJ.
@@Atheist603 Patrick mahomes is going to be making 50 million dollars a season, that’s 26% of cap space next year, Aaron Rodgers struggles with making 20% of the cap, no qb in history has won a Super Bowl making more then 13.1% of the salary cap and that was Steve young.
An argument? Brady doesn't need an argument. He IS the fact.
No he doesn't. MJ is still miles above him. MJ didn't get carried like Brady did in half of his rings
3:58 who else wanted max to say iguodala
Whoever says tom brady isnt the goat your smoking that good good
AROD and I’m smoking Cherry Gelato
@@SeverancePay500 no your smoking good good
Bs Manning was way better
@@IAmSeanPain oh you been smoking that good good too
@@fishii4588 you gotta be young
Tom Brady is the goat.
Hate it or love it. 7. We're done here.
You're an idiot and only live in the now. Montana never lost a Super Bowl and holds the record for most passes without an interception. He also has the all time record passer rating in the Super Bowl at 127.8 and won two of them without Jerry Rice. Brady couldn't get it done with Randy Moss and an elite defense against Eli and the Giants. Career backup Nick Foles also got one over your GOAT. The year the Patriots beat the Rams, the defense held Goff to 3 points while Brady throws an INT and no TDs. Malcolm Butler sealed the game against Seattle. Against the Eagles, the defense picked off McNabb three times to seal that win. Brady's QB play did not matter or effect the outcome. Not what I would call the greatest to ever to it. Montana is the GOAT. Undefeated when it mattered and has the stats to back it up. The most accomplished player is not always the GOAT. It's the same as Jordan is the NBA GOAT and not Bill Russell
@@patrickbateman9115 i spotted an idiot in a thread.
Love how everyone talks Jordan with 6 rings but he doesn't exactly have 11 like a certain Celtics player!
@@noturbud8305 also because there were only 10 teams and the competition other than wilt was pretty non existent
Teams didn't have a salary cap back then so the Celtics were the best team out there at the time
bald comment
Hahaha funny seeing people act like 11 Championships is irrelevant but Brady's are
@@patrickbateman9115 maybe because getting championships in the nfl is more challenging than getting them in the nba especially when you have all the talent in the nba at the time on one team.
First take: if Tom Brady wins, will he be the greatest winner in sports?
Bill Russell: *laughs in 11 rings*
He played against Coal Minors and Plumbers
@@datsapaddlin4228 Brady played with stacked teams and did nothing when lacking such
he prolly played plumbers only in an 8 team league lol
It's harder to win in football. Plus Bill played when there were only 8 teams in the league.
@@SeverancePay500 that might be the dumbest statement I have ever read in my entire life.
"Sports Era" in other words just The U.S.A 😭
That's actually jokes
we arent the best at sports
soccer is such a hard sport because billions of people play it all the time and it isn't height limiting like the NBA so it is a highly skilled sport
Lol they just sound stupid saying it every day like its only usa is in the world
@@yeatdagoat173 soccer is the easiest sport in the world little guy
I'm surprised that they aren't arguing that Colin Kaepernick is the greatest player ever
no kidding
Would be interesting if he was in New England though. Way too late now
That Mahomes guy looks like he never knew what ends zone was his, wrong way Mahomes
This man Max can't stop with "The Fate of The Universe on The Line" lol dis man
I’ve never understood the argument that somehow 6-0 in the championship round is better than 6-3. Ok, MJ never lost in the finals, but that just means he had several years where didn’t make it out of the East. Brady lost 3 SB’s, but that means he has made it through his conference 3 (now 4) more times than Jordan did. Somehow that makes MJ’s career better?
Yea exactly
I don’t care what maxine says he’s been wrong on Brady for so long when something actually happen that Maxine says I’ll believe it then.
Not a Brady fan but he’s the Jordan of the NFL.
You're an idiot and only live in the now. Montana never lost a Super Bowl and holds the record for most passes without an interception. He also has the all time record passer rating in the Super Bowl at 127.8 and won two of them without Jerry Rice. Brady couldn't get it done with Randy Moss and an elite defense against Eli and the Giants. Career backup Nick Foles also got one over your GOAT. The year the Patriots beat the Rams, the defense held Goff to 3 points while Brady throws an INT and no TDs. Malcolm Butler sealed the game against Seattle. Against the Eagles, the defense picked off McNabb three times to seal that win. Brady's QB play did not matter or effect the outcome. Not what I would call the greatest to ever to it. Montana is the GOAT. Undefeated when it mattered and has the stats to back it up. The most accomplished player is not always the GOAT. It's the same as Jordan is the NBA GOAT and not Bill Russell
@@patrickbateman9115 I see where you’re coming from, however, I don’t think calling someone an idiot to get your point across is the smartest idea
@@patrickbateman9115 lmao never mind, I see that you copied and paste as well as trying to reply to almost every comment. That’s sad lmao get a life✋😭😭
Nobody:
Bill Russell: so you think I'm a joke?
He played against Coal Miners and sharecroppers
@@datsapaddlin4228 Just stop bro, right "minors" not miners
@@oscarbenitah4718 Spell check got me rats. Still the truth
Fate of the world on the line "I want my ball on the left foot of Lionel Messi"
Preach! I want my life in the hands+feet of Muhammad Ali.
I think I'd take CR7. We all remember messi's skyball in the world cup final against Germany. Both GOATs (cr7 and messi) but i think CR is more clutch
@@EBWOLVES messi can do things on the pitch ronaldo can never do
@@SergioFletesi dont really care for the argument of messi v ronaldo tbh. theyre both the best players ive ever seen. i just think ronaldo is a little more clutch
@@SergioFletes Okay? Ronaldo can do things on the pitch Messi could never do either.
I can’t believe he said “fate of the universe on the line” again. He must be aware of the meme.
It’s for views
Max is a joke.
This comment is stolen but here it goes anyway: What should we talk about today?
MJ vs Brady
MJ vs Lebron
MJ vs Pele
MJ vs Tesla
MJ vs Evolution
MJ vs The Beetles
Substitute pele for Ronaldo, he’s won more and scored more
@@TheSonicTorres lol what are you on about. Pele is still the youbgest World Cup winner at SEVENTEEN! And the only one with 3 World Cups, the biggest competition in the history of sports and the highest level in soccer. Ronaldo and Messi has dissapeared in the World Cup. And Pele is the best and most COMPLETE footballer of all time. And Pele is still the all time leading scorer with +1200 goals verified by FIFA and in the Guiness Record book. Greater than Brady, Michael Jordan and the rest of them. He was voted ATHLETE of the Century by the international Olympic Comitte even though he never played in the Olympics 1999! ahead of Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Jack Nicklaus, Carl Lewis, Wayne Gretzky,, Jackie Robinson, Joe Montana, Jim Brown etc.
@@Mach15-20 pele grew up in one of the best Brazilian teams ever while Ronaldo and messi have played with international teams with teammates who are no where near their caliber. Pele also played in the Brazilian league who are not well known for the toughest league plus Ronaldo passed pele for goals for country and team so Ronaldo would be better than pele.
@@Patrick-qu2bs Yes and no one should be punished for having a great team. You cant win without a great team. It’s what you do in the team you have and Pele stood out as the best among greats like Garrincha, Jairzinho, Rivelino etc. The Argentinian squads of Messi were never poor they had some very good players that’s why they were able to reach the final but Messi is not a good leader and choked. The same with Ronaldo who went as far as the semifinal 2006 but couldnt help his team because he is just a goalscorer. Pele more COMPLETE than both of them, he could score in any way possible. Ronaldo has more ”competitive” goals because Pele and Santos went on long tours to earn money and those games were not ”friendlies” in the modern sense, in fact Pele has badically the same goal average in competitive and the so called friendly games (0.92 vs 0.94) Brazilian league was the toughest back then together with the Italian. You also said Cristiano won more than Pele which is false Pele 35 titles, Cristiano 31 and now there are more competitions and athletes now have longer careers due to sports science and recovery programs. IKR.
I hate that people forget MJ played more than 6 years 🤦🏻♂️
Listen to what Max said. MJ was just that dude, a man among boys
@@ec5037 Yeah for 3 years by the GOAT 86 & 87 Celtics & Bad Boy Pistons LMAO. That’s like me saying Bron missed the playoffs his first 2 years until Larry Hudges came
He played 11 full years with the bulls and won 6 rings. That’s literally over half... and he dominated every single year from the jump
2 dynasty's . 3 straight retire then 3 straight. Don't disrespect
@@ec5037 Larry Bird called him god in his 2nd season, playing against a 4 all star team. You may be amazing, but you can't play alone. Being bounced against THAT team, and against the BB Pistons, who would play dirty beyond the rules, it ain't no insult. Also, its like Max said, when he got another all start, it was over. Only that 95 comeback short span didn't result in a ring, because he had just gotten back. The year after, he swept shaq and penny lol. Jordan will probably never be repeated, ever again
Max “fate of the universe on the line” Kellerman😂
“Fate of the universe ball in hand of any athlete in the history of sport” ..who are people choosing” I want Max to test his theory and put out a vote that reaches more than the american people
Thank you dude at the end
The fact alone that football is a 1 game series instead of 7 makes Brady’s achievements more impressive.
Exactly you give Brady 7 chances at the giants or eagles he is winning at least 4/7. That's why football is so great cause you have 1 game to play your best. You might not even get 1 full game. You might only get 2-3 quarters to play your best before you are fighting the clock.
Max “Fate of the universe on the line” Kellerman
So no one talks about all the times Jordan lost in the playoffs
How many times did Jordan beat the Celtics in the playoffs? Bahahaha I wonder why
You're a moron. Jordan carried his teammates. Not the other way around
@@noturbud8305 Jordan 6. Pistons 2. Knicks 0 in the years Jordan played. What is your point?
@@patrickbateman9115 played with 2 hofers and never got to a finals without one. but he carried the team eh lmao
Brady's at mythical levels. His career is more impressive than 🐐s of other sports still winning into his 40s with a new coach/system, 1st ring was *20 years ago.* Kareem, Russell, LBJ are closer to MJ than Montana/Manning to Brady.
You're an idiot and only live in the now. Montana never lost a Super Bowl and holds the record for most passes without an interception. He also has the all time record passer rating in the Super Bowl at 127.8 and won two of them without Jerry Rice. Brady couldn't get it done with Randy Moss and an elite defense against Eli and the Giants. Career backup Nick Foles also got one over your GOAT. The year the Patriots beat the Rams, the defense held Goff to 3 points while Brady throws an INT and no TDs. Malcolm Butler sealed the game against Seattle. Against the Eagles, the defense picked off McNabb three times to seal that win. Brady's QB play did not matter or effect the outcome. Not what I would call the greatest to ever to it. Montana is the GOAT. Undefeated when it mattered and has the stats to back it up. The most accomplished player is not always the GOAT. It's the same as Jordan is the NBA GOAT and not Bill Russell
Tom Brady doesn’t have to play defense are they really having this conversation
Well he would also be undefeated in super bowls if games were best of 7. And played indoors in perfect conditions all the time
@@toomuch9762 yeah cuz his team would have carried him to each win 😂 or maybe he would have lost more who knows how ever i do know MJ had to do everything for the bulls even pass the ball and create plays for his team witch was an underraed part of his game MJ is buy far more skilled had a bigger responsability for his teams success compared to brady, think about it as an athlete MJ is better as a winner hes undefeated in the finals witch compared to brady cannot be said , btw its alot harder to win anything best out of seven then it is to win one game of football or one game of anything for that matter🙄 why you ask? because when you play best out of seven it allows for teams to make adjustments and counter your strats and play their best version of basketball or best team work they can achieve, compared to a 1 game end it all scenario where it barely leaves time to adjust and improove your performance and play at your best if for what ever reason you arent playing well that day well even if you were the better team on paper or just as good of a team you could still loose the whole superbowl but if it was best of seven things would be different because the best out of3 or 5 or 7 will always be harder then best out of 1 im sorry to say but basketball is just a harder sport in the way its structured and in its principles for example the amount of games played in a regular season is far more then in the NFL i mean for an individual player to play all those gams he has to be more consistently productive then in football.theirs a reason why players can make the league alot more often/easily then in the NBA think about it, expectations pressure in individuals performance are higher in Basketball, individual skill is needed alot more in BB rather then in football , football rellies more on luck athletasism and team strategy/plays from its coaching who are the ones making all the plays and rellieing on their recievers and yes quarter backs to execute the play, collectively as a team and yes a good passers like brady are needed but to compare that one skill nedeed in his position to win compared to MJ who has alot more skills over all its just so obvious i mean brady doesnt even get to score for his team yes he makes the passes but the reciever nees to actually run through the offense most of the time to get touch down. listen in basketball the sport rellies more on their best players creating the offense and defense aswell as ball facilatating and getting their team mates in rythim. on your last point id rather play in a perfect condition so i could undoughtably know who is the undisputed winner then play in a inviroment that influences the games outcome and not crown the proper champion .
I know right you can't compare Brady to Jordan MJ is a 9x defensive 1st team Champion plus he led the leauge in scoring 10x Brady only plays offense there is no comparison its apples to oranges
*Insert* the word "American" before every single sentence in this clip.
No need. This is global not national
@@evergreatest7789 it's really national. Only Americans are playing football.
@@interceptingfist5682 No? Other countries play football.
@@interceptingfist5682 Europeans can’t compete so they complain 😂🤣 Americans dominate Football, Basketball, Baseball, Hockey and every other sport in the olympics, Europeans and South Americans only have soccer
@@debodatta7398 'Only have soccer' he says like it isnt the most popular sport in the world by an absolute mile.
Man, in Superbowl there's no room for error you mess, you loose . and to see Tom Brady doing it at 43 it's crazy
I love when they have Marcus "Professor Swagu" Spears on the show, talking football.
Molly talking about Divas? 🤦🏾♂️
Other than throwing in that LeBron GOAT thing this was a good debate.
Aye G, we gonna need to know what's in that green smoothie.
In 50 years, more people will still be watching Michael Jordan highlights than Tom Brady highlights on CZcams. Jordan is the most viewed American athlete in team sports. More people will watch The Last Dance on Netflix.
Not sure about that one. Ali is viewed alot globally as well.
Ok bud.
ONE GOAT across ALL SPORTS=MICHAEL JORDAN.
No Jordan never lost. He was only in the league 7 seasons before he won.
Also when Jordan changed teams he didn't have Success.
What 7 seasons I thought he was playing only 6 years, the time before, between and after championships it just doesnt count due to his involement with secret service fighting at Iraq, doing cancer research, solving world hunger and some other much bigger things we aint gonna speak of cause MJ is too modest he wouldnt like us too 😁
People keep comparing this man to Jordan which makes no sense
@@bradobi154 in terms of winning
Every year Jordan didn’t make it to the finals he lost....
Wow, molly calling others diva now lmao
The irony of Molly’s words at the start of the video
Max just ignores the fact that the magic beat Jordan when he came back from baseball
Max: Third year MJ was the goat
Me: So what does that make Isiah Thomas and the Pistons who 4-1, 4-2 and 4-3 Jordan from his third season through his fifth season
The same year Tom Brady goes to Tampa Bay, you have Tampa bay Lightning win the Stanley cup, and Tampa Bay Rays make it to the World Series not to mention Super Bowl is in Tampa Bay this year and Tampa Bay is the first team ever to play in the Super Bowl in their home stadium. How can you not think this bs is rigged?
Jordan got swept by Boston his 1st playoffs, and his per was off the charts. Can't win it alone. BTW bulls blew the draft when they had 3 1st round picks and only got bj Armstrong. Jordan could have run off 10 if they got one above average player out of the 3.
But what happened in the sixth season, when the Pistons were defending champs? Unfortunately, by that point, the tsunami had gathered too much strength, and it rained destruction down on the Pistons and everyone else in its path.
Max: "fate of the universe on the line"
Also max: "I WANT IGUODALA"
When you spend half your career ending the season in the Super Bowl you pretty much clinched the G.O.A.T. moniker.
Max fails to realize it’s harder to win a super bowl than NBA finals
Exactly! Its best of 7. NFL is one and done in playoffs
@@wookie808 14 min Quaters
@@zhangooffdachain5918 woop de doo
@@wookie808 😂
Say “American team sports” it’s so annoying lmao. Football is the most watched sport in the world, where Messi and Ronaldo exist so please... they’re the GOATS
Only if they knew 😂😂
Yessir Football/soccer is the most watched sport, the Superbowl can't compare to the World Cup final.
THANK YOU
I can’t be the only one who was waiting for max to say IGUODALA! 😂😂😂
MAX SAID IT!!!!!!!!! 6-0 WITH 6 K'O'S!!!
GOAT in sports are messi and ronaldo. The biggset sport in the world is football. They are the biggest in sports
Dude lost all credibility when he said LeBron was the goat
He never had any
he said lebron was the common denominator on all his championship teams as if that was not the same for MJ lol. lebron also was not the common denominator in miami since he had to learn how to win through his father D Wade.
@@brashadcarr680 lol i thought I heard him say “ that’s why Lebron is the goat” but yeah I agree with your point
This is so true
BIG FACTS
Um, apparently this guy has never heard of Cristiano Ronaldo's brand when saying Jordan has the biggest brand in the world. SMH.
You dont even have to watch to know Max disagrees.
lol I love how when having debates about the best athletes in the world they discard the biggest sport in the world (football).Ronaldo Neymar and Messi have double followers than lebron and they still act like they don’t exist
It could possibly be because the NFL and NBA are the top sports in America. Why would they debate something that wouldn't get as much viewership in the country they broadcast too? Common sense
@@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405 I get that but they don’t even bat an eyelid at the athletes in football like if they talk about Ronaldo is still gona get veiws he’s the most famous athlete on the planet and by a mile.But I get what your sayin
@@Idur88 its American bro deal with it. We don't care about soccer here. Go make your own show
Brandon Shemonia problem is max is speaking for worldwide team sports even though he’s focusing on American athletes in his argument
@@bodiddly3679 yes but they are talking about history of team sport that include “soccer” which as I said the biggest sport in the world so he should say he thinks brady is the best winner in American team sports history?
I guess we are going to forget about deflate-gate and Spy-gate 1&2.
Deflate gate was trash on Brady but spyware was a management issue
Meanwhile, everyone in the cricketing world is screaming "Sir Donald Bradman"
4:00 I really thought he was about to say Iguodala
Wayne Gretzky! By far the best team sports athlete. Never gets respect
Ill put him at 3 behind Jordan but Brady is by far the GOAT of Sports if he wins at 43 no one will ever catch him .
Cause it’s hockey and ESPN has no knowledge about that sport
Gretzky was a fine player BUT. That oilers team put countless members into the HOF and was good enough to win another Cup without him. Gretzky never delivered another championship anywhere after he left. A good player but gets far more credit than I believe he is due.
@@chadalicious374 neither did MJ...and Gretzky took a King’s team that was horrible and made a huge run
@@tonyklaas7654 Are you really trying to compare Jordan going to the Wizards at 38 yrs old after a 3 year hiatus to Gretzky going to the Kings in his prime?
Bill Russell, greatest I have ever seen. Player and coach!
Nothing against MJ and he's obviously one of the greatest athletes in the world. I just like all the modifiers Max uses to isolate those 6 years. I just think it's weird how people talk about other athletes over their whole careers and ups and downs but for some reason people like to isolate to just those 6 years with Michael.
Anyone who says Brady is not the G.O.A.T. is CRAY-CRAY and I am a Philly Fan, ...but.....
....Go Brady, we in Philly play hard but NEVER disliked Brady as it was an honor to have barely beaten him for the Super Bowl in '18....
If “America is the world” was a conversation. Acting like Messi and Ronaldo don’t dust these fools 😒
Soccer manlets aint won 7 super bowls
Messi and ronaldo. Americans live in a world of their own
Pulling for Zach Thomas to make it to the HOF. A beast that was all over the field. Led the nfl in tackles from 1996 to 2008!
Did molly just do something kinda funny- decent today?
What year am I living in...
dident interrupt... whaaaa
Bruh bill Russell played with like 12 teams Tom brady is the greatest winner since Genghis khan