The BEST Hinge for Inset Cabinet Doors
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- čas přidán 29. 05. 2019
- What's the best hinge for full frame inset cabinet doors?
Jordan thinks its the Blum Clip Top Face Frame Inset Blumotion Hinges - amzn.to/2QDfutF
This will help you install them more easyerlier - amzn.to/2W2GaFn
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Jordan...., I was wondering where you went! Glad to see you back.
Thanks Jordan,
Just purchased my first cabinets ever with inset doors. Till this time everything has been full/partial overlay or frameless. Really like the look but not a fan of barrel hinges so this was very informative.
A trick I learned from my shop teacher was to put on soft close and one regular Blum hinge for a precise and quicker close, yet soft.
Interesting
Would that not make the soft close hinge work twice as hard, halving the lifespan?
Love the level of detail.
size your face frames so that 3/8 of the bottom and top of the boxes are exposed and can act as positive stops for the doors to close on. make your face frames 1/16 thicker than the doors and use 1/16 inch rubber bumpers. ditch the face frame mounting plates, clients always break them and they intrude into the storage space. instead, use blums clip wing mounting plates. they mount to the box sides like a typical mounting plate, but they range from 6mm to 29mm plate heights specifically to match almost any inset face frame application... pg 61 in the concealed hinge catalogue.
This sounds clean. Do you have a photo of this?
Thanks for sharing Jordan. I remember talking to you at IBS at Jeld Wen about this house and how you sold it to move to a smaller house. I like the built up crown molding. Not sure how well the painted finish would hold up with your big family. The one issue you missed mentioning is about how humidity must be controlled on inset doors. I have seen inset doors become a real mess because humidity was not controlled. Looking forward to seeing your next videos.
Good to hear from you again, Jason! Yeah, the tight tolerances of insert cabinets can be wrecked if you don't have your space conditioned with stable humidity. I messed that up before and had to trim all of the doors and drawers to get them to fit. Then in a few weeks/months the gaps started opening wider as the wood shrunk. Ugghh.
The IKEA soft close dampers are a clip-on addition to very similar Blum hinges. They might be compatible for retrofitting.
Another great video. My wife and I enjoyed discussing the different options.
Thanks Scorpio!
Central TX cabinet maker here. Enjoy your videos Jordan! I only use Blum hardware, hinges and slides. They're the best. A clean way to get your stops in an inset box is to have your top and bottom rails overlay the ply 5/16. That leaves 5/16 for your door to land on + an 1/8 reveal. But, top and bottom of box will need edge banding prior to face frame install. More tricky to nail the frame on, have to use caution, but it can be done. You can also add a 1.5" strip of ply on top and under box to give you more substrate to nail to.
Another option is flush out the the bottom like your cabinet in the video but add another 3/4 deck on the inside.
Good tips. Thanks!
this is by far the best way to do it, glad someone else has thought of this. that way you dont have to see an ugly stop. however i doubt he had the option to this, since he ordered his cabinets pre fab
always very interesting presentations! Thx Bro!
Wes Vogus has the right idea. You can bring down your bottom rail 5/16" below bottom layer of cabinet to reveal that 5/16" edge for your door to hit. And at the top of cabinet install a strip of wood all the way across the inside part of cabinet instead of a short block for the door to hit. This is how I build mine for inset doors, now you have a cleaner look .
We use the top and bottom of the case as a stop. They are positioned into the opening of the face frame by 3/8", and are edgebanded to make a nice flush stop for hinged doors.
yea dude, thats the way. nobody does this anymore.
I have these all over my kitchen (probably redone in the 90s), but unfortunately they are the ones with plastic parts inside. They work great, but they wear out after a while (10-20yrs). Blum has metal replacement versions and they work wonderfully.
Hope it works out for you. The Blum hinges are a great product as well. Been using them for years
Use magnets as your bottom stop. It will release the majority of stress and you can just sink them into the frame of the door and cabinet
Looking forward to seeing this new line of content. Wanting to do kitchen remodel. Just the photo of the four cab faces frameless to inset got me thinking of what I might want. Soft close .... very nice!
Great video! Did you use the same hinges for the larger cabinet doors on the left side and if so how many per side did you use? Much appreciated!
with the zillion options on hinges, this was very informative on faceframe inset doors
Inset vs frameless full overlay we like both looks does one function better than the other.
We are putting in new cabinets and can't decide which ones.
Frameless seem like less maintenance.
Good luck on the new venture!
Thanks, man! We are looking forward to it!
I like Blum hinges 155deg 70T7500NTL. Very ergonomic for a wardrobe or storage cabinets.
Wonderful video!
Being a cabinet /trim guy since the 90's I like today's game and the customizing of raised paneled doors "shakes too😉"btw... what's your measure on the outer perimeter style that make the framing of the door? I was considering going 1-3/4's instead of 2" ,only because I'll be ripping from materials that came @3-1/2's from the hw store?? Wanted a second opinion if I should void trying to save material and do quality over quantity.looks clean and sharp chief good luck.
Great video. Very informative
First - what's the revel between the face frame and door? 1/8" or something more exact?
Also - my vote for the next video is on the trim in your house - I would like to know the dimensions and build ups of your casements, baseboards, crown, etc. I'm prepping to rip out all of the clamshell moulding in my 1962 house and looking for inspiration... thanks
Great video. This is exactly the video I was looking for. After searching and searching... this is the one. Thanks for sharing.
Good video, thank you
Do you prefer barrel hinges over hidden hinges for functionality in inset cabinets?
Jordan,all I wanted was the Blum hinge number, but will have try elsewhere,thanks,
what do you do when two carcauses are next to eachother, and share the 1.5" face frame? do you use frameless on sides w/o a reveal, and use these when the 3/4 frame is available? or, do you do frameless all over with a spacer when the face frame has a reveal?
@Jordan Smith - Do you have any modern Baseboards and Crown that you like? My wife and I are doing a modern kitchen look with inset cabinets - I want a taller baseboard with a clean edge and not to many accents. What do you typically do?
Loving the new format. Looking forward to seeing more.
is there a version of this hinge that opens more than 110*?
Jordan did y’all build your inset doors or purchase them?
I've been using them dir years it's a 1/2 crank clip on soft close blum hinge with the inset plate that screws on the back of the frame
Hey, do you know what the minimum depth the face frame has to protrude into the carcass opening in order to cleanly mount these clips?
@@dougtsuji2198 14 mm.
The Blum hardware makes the IKEA cabinets. Great quality.
Matt L You can buy the hinge in Ikea. It cost like 10$ / door. With soft close.
Would these hinges work with an inset door with a partial overlay? I’m going crazy trying to find concealed hinges for our doors.
Beautiful kitchen! I found this video looking for inset hinges. How wide are your stiles and rails on these cabinets?
Hey Jordan, cool video. I'm about to build these same exact cabinets. Face frame with inset doors. I'm planning on having 1 1/2" face frames. My question is how much space does the hinge need to attach to the face frame?
Attaching to the door is no problem. I just want to make sure I will be fine with 1 1/2" face frames. There will only be about 5/8" of space for mine because I'm using 3/4" plywood for the box and I let the face frame slightly overhang the box.
How did this work out for you? I’m doing the exact same thing right now.
would this hinge work vertically folding upwards?
What did you use for a stop?
in the link you provided i am not seeing the mounting plate .. in your video there is a plate mounted on the inside of the face frame which is what i need bc i have partial overlay cabinets. in the link im not seeing any of these pictured
You can always add stops to the front of the bottom shelf.
I believe you are in correct when you say that a that on a frameless cabinet the door is fully overlay and you don't see any of the of the box, just doors butted up to doors. We are putting in a frameless cabinets with the door inset...so you will see the box...Hope that makes sense.
Do these work for LIPPED face frame inset cabinets?
I have one of those 1960s ish houses and the cabinets have a partial inset along with face frames. I am not sure what hinges will work and which won't, do you have any pointers?
How about putting a stopper on the underside of one of the lower shelves.
That could work, and be less obvious than at the bottom of the cabinet.
What Blum hinge is that? My cabinets are exactly like that, and I have spent weeks trying to find the hinge I need. Have bought several that didn’t work. Model number, please?
This is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣. My parents home/kitchen has hinges like that and it is from 1980.
Really? That’s what you find hilarious? 🤨
Wish you had included a link to the installation.....
Ikea cabinets have similar hardware. I'm a fan
I know. I want to hate Ikea cabinets so badly, but everytime I interact with them, I can't help but love their smooth operation. Still hate the death march of shopping the Ikea showroom with Veronica though. You can't make me like that!
@@JordanSmithBuilds we did them in our last house because we were on a tight budget and honestly loved them. As far as the death march, they have free babysitting so it's more like date night for us 😁
@@matt_metcalf hhhmmm.... I haven't been there since we had kids (and my oldest turns 9 in a couple of months!), but with this new information, it may be my new favorite place!
Thanks Jordan. Can you tell me which Blum Hinges mount to the back of the face frame please?
Amazon..... Blum CLIP top BLUMOTION Soft-Close Hinges, 110 degree, Self closing, Face Frame, with Mounting Plates
I'm fitting out my campervan and would like to use these hinges but the plywood thickness of the doors is only 12mm would these hinges be OK or is there an alternative without the cup fitting
Hey Jordan,
You talked so much about this being your favorite hinge and how great it is, but you never gave a Blum item # or included a link to it... Please do
The Blum item # is 35676
"Bloom"
Ok. So now that I'm in the thick of it... I don't know if this will work for my current project. I have a piece that will have a 2 1/2" face frame. Will these work? Seems like your faceframe is definitely thinner.
Well that's something new. Maybe if I'm building mansions one day, because I'm currently paying R2.70 per hinge (and buying them in bags of 100), not R93.25!
Blum's stuff is great, but *EX-PEN-SIVE !* (even after trade discounts).
And the don't last as long as good ol piano hinges 😁
NOOOOooooo! No.
No.
It's not 1953 anymore.
idea, inset a neodymium magnet on the bottom side of the cabinet door, and one underneath on the frame. 6:50
Anybody: Can the clips be attached to the face frame before attaching the face frame to the cabinet carcass?
No, the soft-close Blum hinges (Blumotion) does not have an adjustable positive stop. For an inset application you still have to make the stop.
Make your shelves all the way to the front of face frame back or 1/8 back of face frame and the place some silicon bumpers to the doors(1/8 thick)
Is Cabinotch somethign a DIYer can do or is this for pros only?
Homeowners can order Cabinotch. They have many customizable configurations on their website. Pros can use kcd design software and make almost anything then Cabinotch will fabricate.
would be nice to know part numbers or basic description
There's a link in the video description.
Man, I know everything about everything except the hinges.
Hi Jordan, I am using 175H5030.21- Inset face frame cam adapter plate
, 75T1650- Blum CLIP TOP- 107 degrees- Dual Application. I believe the only difference from the one you used is that my clip top is 107 degrees while yours is 110 degrees. I tested on two pieces of 3/4 inches wood, one for the hinge, one for the plate. I used 6 mm tab (distance from the edge of door to the edge of hinge cup). The issue is when the door (one piece of wood) is closed, the door is at an angle to the frame, which should be flush and flat. I understand from your video that the stop at the top of your cabinet is supposed to prevent the doors being pulled to the inside of the cabinet by the hinges. I wonder if that is the reason that the two pieces of wood is not flush and if I switch to install on the actual cabinet, the problem will disappear. Or I might have installed them wrongly. Can you pls advise? Thank you.
Smith house not as commented on as Schmidt house
Sounds like those cabinet doors need some bumpers.
What? you did not even show the hinge on the cabinet to the left that was flush?
Seriously, How tall is this guy? 6'6"?
Could you not simply use the shelves as a positive stop? If you're worried about the inner side of the door becoming marred by touching the shelves, simply add a small felt dot in a few spots.
Shelves should be backset a bit to disallow the doors from making contact with them each time they’re closed.
You can buy the same typen of hinge at IKEA. Most likely a lot cheaper.
Can't beat Blum for quality. Cheap is not good. Good is not cheap.
@@danielholtxxl4936 Blum makes the IKEA hinges 🤦🏻♂️
@@per.kallberg No matter who makes them, if they're "a lot cheaper" they're "a lot not better". You get what you pay for. Nobody I know considers IKEA to be good quality - just cheap.
@@danielholtxxl4936 that is not really how it works. IKEA has massive volumes so producers supply them to keep there factories at a certain level. On top of that they add there own more lucrative products. So no you don’t always get what you pay for. There are of course levels of this in IKEA but the hinges for one is very very good value for your money.
I used to work in the white goods industry and the products are the same just without labels, better warranty and cheaper price.
Damn near impossible to find these hinges lol
Less speachifying, more substantive demo.
Ah...... that's an ikea hinge.
A.K.A. a Euro or European Hinge :)
IKEA all the way
www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/usearch/?query=Utrusta
Not sure why you'd want to do this, butt hunges every time.
Couldn’t stick around long enough to get to the hinges- sheesh talk about long winded
That range hood is awful. :(
What kind of hood do you prefer?
the hood ain't good.
To the viewer. Skip the BS and go straight to 3:10. Still wasn’t what I was looking for.
🎶"But I still haven't found what I'm looking for!" What where you looking for? Maybe we can help?
Blah,. Blah, blah....point?!!
That one of the ugliest hoodvent.
A LOT of waffle.
Talk less. Do more.
Jesus... To much talking...my ears bleeding...Just get to the damn hinges already.
A lot of talking without teaching anything
Get on with the frigging video
too much damn talking. Intro is a waste of time. Get to the point. Then later you can pass of your spiel about what's to come.
If you put them on your self you will show it how to install them genius. That video sucks 👎
I have checked many woodworking plan sites. I think the instructions from Woodprix are the best.