Is Immanuel Quickley about to take off?
Vložit
- čas přidán 10. 01. 2024
- With more opportunity in Toronto, can Immanuel Quickley take a leap? In this enhanced segment from the Thinking Basketball podcast, Ben and Cody break down former New York Knicks point guard, his impressive impact numbers, similarities to Tyrese Maxey in Philadelphia, and explain how he might grow as the Raptors full time point guard.
-Full episode-
CZcams: • Is Quickley a diamond ...
Spotify: open.spotify.com/episode/3nkf...
Apple: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...
Support at Patreon: / thinkingbasketball
Book: www.amazon.com/Thinking-Baske...
Podcast: player.fm/series/thinking-bas... or at www.stitcher.com/podcast/ben-...
Website: www.backpicks.com
Twitter: @elgee35
Ben Taylor is the author of Thinking Basketball, a Nylon Calculus contributor, creator of the Backpicks Top 40 series & host of the Thinking Basketball podcast.
Stats courtesy:
www.pbpstats.com @bballport
www.basketball-reference.com
stats.nba.com
-----
Footage in this video is owned by the NBA and its partners. It is intended for critique and education.
#thinkingbasketball - Sport
As a raptors fan I was so happy when we made this quickley deal, I knew he was going to be a great fit as hes got the perfect style of play for our team. Also the raptors have just terrible shooting in general so its way more fun to watch now with quickley.
@stuartrobertson5062 I dont know why Quickley plays zero defense and the Knicks robbed the Raptors they got a two way guard and great Defender in OG
@@darnellwilliams8783 Quickley plays zero defense? He is an undersized guard, but his defense is very solid for his size.
@@ichirosuzuki2252 not ny fault yall casuals. Allen Iverson tried on defense no excuses
@darnellwilliams8783 quick was a good and smart defender for our squad what're you talking about
@@rudy6292 not true friend
I love IQ's game. He's the perfect compliment to play beside Scottie. RJ gonna be a beast in Toronto too. Plus that new "big three" have the best nickname, BBQ!
Not a big three
@@Urwrong555give them a couple years
@@Amalingprobably a worse mid three than kuzma beal tingus pingus
Spicy bbq
@@stenstensson304I swear you internet dude's just talk shit.
I'm sad to see him go but I'm happy he found a great opportunity in Toronto.
just said this elsewhere- i don't know if I've ever seen a trade immediately result in such positive discourse from the respective fanbases
I miss IQ and RJ so much, we drafted them and went through the developmental process. I love OG with us now, such a fun watch. But I miss the excitement I got when Thibs subbed in the bench.
Also how tf did we keep Fournier still? 😂
Same for me the other way with OG
lol. he is mediocre.
Ben, I would really love if you made a video on the detroit pistons. I think the fans would really love a deep dive into what exactly is going wrong besides just "roster construction"
i will
Bad defenders can score good scorers cant defend
+ a little bad luck
I think theyre a 20win team at least if things went better
@@Htiy Thats very optimistic of you 20 wins. I would say more 10 or 15 wins.
@@emersonssbb they were 17 wins with a similar roster but without cade
@@crystalizedExposed The east is a lot tougher now. These east team wont win games because some of them want to get in the play in tournament. I gurantee they wont reach 20 wins.
Quickley is going to be an all-star at LEAST one time. This guy is something else. He's 1 step up away from breaking out totally
This might go down as the most mutually beneficial trade ever. It's kind of wild. It could go bad still of course for either side but it looks less and less likely with each game for both teams.
Super excited to watch this play out.
I’ve been thinking the same man. Was a weird year watching the raptors so far but now it feels like we have some type of direction. And the knicks needed the defensive presence OG brings too
Just like the pacers and kings
@@RichnLost For sure. Knicks got a player that can absolutely help them win a Larry. Raptors continue to avoid an actual "blow it up" approach to their rebuild. I think under appreciated in all of this is the players everyone has just treated as filler. Big mistake. If either of Malachi or Precious takes some steps forward with the Knicks they could be huge success stories. Just like OG they are types of players Thibs dreams about.
Agreed 100%. Perfect modern combo guard build
He's a way better playmaker than I thought. Given a bigger role & chance to run a team, he will show that he can be a floor general
Floor general? No. Decent playmaker? Yes
@@MuckNoya Short sample size, but I’ve seen flashes
Had 10 assists couple of games ago
@@Paul-km8ko 9 points in a loss
@@noemamba9590 Those 9 points he played only 26 minutes. Averaging over 20 points ppg in six games with the raptors
I love when Ben and Cody gush about players who don’t get a lot of spotlight in the league .
When maxey and quickley came into the league I honestly thought they were clones of each other, in their playstyle, and thought they'd both get good. Obviously not to the level maxey is at rn, but good enough to be a third (mostly) or second option on a team.
His defense reminds of Steph, but with a crazy high motor and more length: Always in the right position, good on the back line as a communicator, will try to contest everything that makes sense, but with some added length and footspeed.
I wouldn't hedge on that All Star nod. Leading a team for 4 years in +/- is... well the list says it all. Very, very rare. That list was ONLY Hall of Fame players plus Korver.
I'm also enamored by his fit on Toronto. Their goal seems to be "get the longest player possible at every position". They finally gave up on the idea of playmaking entirely by committee, but they've struggled with what kind of guard they want since Lowry and then Van Vleet left. Out with the meatballs; Quicky fits SO WELL into their existing Length At All Costs plan in a way that Schroeder hasn't. The only thing left is to find a proper BIG big to fight the really big centers in the league and they have an interesting team.
Lol his defense is nothing like Steph's
I think Raps didn't care to go all with their roster transition in recent years and some of their young guys that weren't a fit for the future were due big pay outs. The cool thing is that the Raps talent does allow for a small talented moving shooter to flourish with the length and athleticism in wings that they have. It was a matter of finding that young talent available in the trade market.
He will take off very Quickly.
I’ll see Myself out. 👀. 🏀
As a Knicks fan I can confirm he will take off, thibs wouldn’t let him ball out and it makes me sad he’s gone. Can’t wait for him to make an all star team
It wasn’t going to work w JB as starting PG logging 35 mins a game. IQ deserves a huge contract and it wouldn’t be financially feasible. JB + IQ on court at the same time takes away from each other (and the size is a concern). I am a huge IQ fan, but I cannot blame Thibs for not playing IQ more. Just a matter of situation.
lol. he is mediocre.
I'm just happy he's in Toronto
These guys actually put effort into the CZcams podcast clips 👏
Every time I watch this dude i just get shades of Tyrese Maxey… they have such similar play types and just the way they move is almost identical… quickley is going to be a great PG for the raptors for a long time
Even their body language is so similar is crazy.
Both Maxey & Quickley are close friends.
Quickley and Maxey were on Kentucky team together.
Quickley was teams leading scorer and best shooter, Maxey was 2nd leading scorer.
Both went in late 1st round of the same draft. Maxey at 21st pick, Quickley at 25th pick.
There game is very similar, I'm sure they worked out a tone together as both close friends.
Maxey likely took some things from Quickley game.
Quickley was 2nd year player in college, Maxey was 1st year player when they played together at Kentucky.
1 year apart in age.
We do know Maxey took things from James Harden, added Harden step back which he directly learned from Harden.
Maxey is a great development story.
He was a bad shooter in college and early in NBA, he later developed into an elite shooter.
He can shoot from everywhere, very elite pull up shooter.
He was primary a paint scorer, who burned players with raw speed, turning the corner & changing direction quick.
Add the already gifted paint scoring and he's now a 25+ PPG scorer & soon superstar.
Quickley in comparison was an elite shooter in college & NBA.
He was always a shooter, he like Maxey had elite speed.
Both same size, Quickley having 6ft 8 wingspan which is much bigger then Maxey.
Maxey is much better at getting to the rim, although Quickley is pretty good at it too.
@@MRBp2024 Had no idea about all that, wow thanks.
At least in IQ's case, I think that odd ball movement is one of the most important factors in him reaching that Maxey level of play. Not only is he's putting in the movement but like y'all said, his instinct for postitioning is solid. Super fun guy to watch
I love these video clips. Add graphics and video to what you all are talking about. It makes the experience so great. Thank you!
Knick’s fan here. I always thought Quickley > Barrett. After each off season he showed noticeable improvement, got to love someone like that on the team. But with Jalen Brunson settled at PG, it would be tough to find him 30+ minutes that he deserves, also the financial side wouldn’t have worked in NY. GL IQ, hope you flourish into a star!
Great content once again ❤. IQ is going to be a star . It’s just like the Tyrese situation in Philly . The Maxey comparison is so true .
I’m sorry this is not a good comparison. Maxey is a better 3 point shooter and a better driver.
He reminds me of the other Sixers guard: Melton
Good at breaking down the def but not great at finishing, above average 3 point shooter and above average defender with a little play making
@@mitchelldavis9372Quickley shooting better from 3 this season
thanks for the raptors content! would love a vid about scottie barnes
good insight on quickly, he's something special.
I’m glad this video was made
Great stuff thanks for shining some light on IQ!
Can we get a greatest peaks for the defenders? Ben Wallace, Draymond Green, Dennis Rodman, Gary Payton, and others come to mind, so I think if you could look at how they were applied on their teams on both ends, I think it would be pretty cool.
Battier, Smart, ^Big Ben, Draymond, Worm, Payton ^, Duncan, Camby, Ewing, then obvious Hakeem, Admiral & Bill Russell, MJ, maybe an episode on the tertiary guys like Gerald Wallace, AK47, Josh Smith (not a good defender, but highlight reel stuff), Maybe an episode showcasing specific skills or prototypes, like a super fast guard, a mammoth of a big man (Wemby, Manute, Mark Eaton), even super strong guards (Wade, LeBron, OG), super athletic weak-side shotblockers (JJJ, AD, etc.) This is definitely the series that we need!
I agree with the guy on the left I don’t think Quickley ceiling is as high as Maxey…but then again I said the same thing about Maxey a few seasons ago so I could be wrong
Hey Ben I'm one of those psychos that has a wide smile when Cody mentions loves watching Quickley on defense rather than offense 😊 Just wanted to say I love your analysis of the game and wherever you are I hope you're having a great day ❤
As a Clippers fan I came out of the game thinking that RJ is the one who's being underrated.
Now that he's freed from just iso-ing or sitting in the corner he looks fantastic.
His only weakness is gaurding bigger wings - but height can't be taught.
Correct, this is why he’s a SG. He wasn’t played in the right way.
He is a up and down player but he has always been a horrible defender he gives you 23 one game the next 12 on 20 shots he is who everyone thought he was and that was on a good team
If you notice in the video he will be perpetually match up hunted by bigger wing ball handlers at the perimeter. But where his 6'8" wingspan matters is oddly enough as a backline help when other players go at him close to the basket. IQ putting up his arms is a solid deterrent for guys who aren't great finishing that way.
Scotty, RJ, and Quickley, that is a really exciting young trio with immense potential. Give them time to grow and gel together. This is the best young foundation that the Toronto Raptors have ever had since Vince and TMac. But this is 3 good pieces compared to 2, and TMac wanted his own team and left. This core can contend in 2 to 3 seasons.
Loved the video as usual, just wanted to point out that the on-screen text says "Jan. 8 2023" instead of "Jan. 8 2024".
As a Raps I’m glad we got him on your team along in RJ
He definitely wants to be a star in crunch time but it's also a bit awkward when Scottie is coming into his own and ready to break out into an all-star and now suddenly has to sacrifice some of his numbers and possessions. The proof is that they've butted heads over who handles the ball in crunch time and that actually worries me. I know he probably feels free from playing behind ball-dominant players like Randle and Brunson, but I hope that he buys into the system.
But still, as a Toronto fan, I've been waiting for years for a player like Quickley, especially watching Maxey bust our ass every matchup. We've needed this type of scoring power ever since Lou Will left.
Quickely was never a hidden star. He’s just been behind Brunson. As a Knicks fan losing him Stung. But he was never gonna get the pt he deserves now because of it. We’ve watched him blossom. He was ready to start last season.
He’s gonna BALL in TO. It’s forever 5 in NY.
Of course he is going to take off... very Quickley would be my prediction.
I’m a huge fan of Quickley, really happy the Raptors made this trade
what a weird season for the raptors. bbq era has been really fun tho
Quickley finished second in the sixth man of the year race behind Malcolm Brogdon. He's already shown that he can be a good scorer for a full season. The only concern is his bad playoff performance. Maybe, he'll play better in the post-season once he gets the chance again.
Every Knick fan knew this kid was a star for years now
The new type of point guards. Damn i miss the classic rondo, Chris Paul, deron Williams type of PG. Good to see them excel in though
Awesome video! Can you guys do RJ next?
Shout out to Cody great analysis some of the stuff you were saying was stuff I was thinking about but couldn’t put into words great job I felt like no one was talking about quickley it was all rj and obu and I knew they lost a gem for sure
Do coby white next
As a Knicks fan it was heartbreaking seeing IQ be traded
please make one about the clipps kicking ass
Can u make 1 podcast where u talk about best 5 guys that fit together best like what u guys think would be best starting five based on fit not just who u think is best in postition
YES
I’ve been a big fan of IQ for a minute and I think he has a real possibility of breaking out in Toronto
I thought I was the only one who thought he has a similar game to Maxey. That explosive speed/quickness, the unpredictability, ability to finish and accurate from deep. Maxey no doubt is a better scorer but I actual think Quickley might be a better playmaker.
Both Maxey & Quickley are close friends.
Quickley and Maxey were on Kentucky team together.
Quickley was teams leading scorer and best shooter, Maxey was 2nd leading scorer.
Both went in late 1st round of the same draft. Maxey at 21st pick, Quickley at 25th pick.
There game is very similar, I'm sure they worked out a tone together as both close friends.
Maxey likely took some things from Quickley game.
Quickley was 2nd year player in college when Maxey was 1st year player when they played together at Kentucky.
1 year apart in age. (Maxey is 23, Quickley is 24).
We do know Maxey took things from James Harden, he himself says he took the step back from Harden having watched him play .
Maxey is a great development story.
He was a bad shooter in college and early in NBA, he later developed into an elite shooter.
He can shoot from everywhere, very elite pull up shooter.
He was primary a paint scorer, who burned players with raw speed, turning the corner & changing direction quick.
Add the already gifted paint scoring and that makes an unstoppable scorer.
Maxey is now a 25+ PPG scorer & soon superstar.
Both Maxey & Quickley were 6 men off the bench.
Quickley was actually better then Maxey, better advanced stats, impact metrics up until this season.
Quickley for his career in comparison was an elite shooter in college & NBA.
He was always a shooter, he like Maxey had elite speed.
Both same size, Quickley having 6ft 8 wingspan which is much bigger then Maxey.
Maxey is much better at getting to the rim, although Quickley is pretty good at it too.
Also Quickley as a starter on the Knicks averaged:
(30 games)
22 PPG
5 RPG
5 APG
46% FG
39% from 3 (6 per game)
He's had some monster games as a starter including dominating the Celtics in a 38 point, 9 assist OT win on the road in Boston.
Everytime he starts he dominates. Missing only opportunity.
His advanced & impact metri
Quickley is definitely great value for the Raps. He gives them outside shooting which the Raps have been lacking outside of Barnes improving numbers and Trent Jr. He's not a huge liability on defense which the Raps have solid wing bodies anyway. Its just a matter of IQ betting on himself and his favorable skillset to work with the team like a former Raps point guard did. Some folks are making a stink he'll be getting like 28m/yr offers as an RFA but I doubt that. Considering bad teams with cap space don't have the talents to make IQ work just purely as a moving shooter.
20-25 Ppg Point Guard would be amazing
I believe he will easily average 20 as a starter.
Let's go
Maxey a better downhill driver but Quickley a better shooter and has a better floater imo. Gonna be interesting to see him develop in Toronto.
This is incorrect. Maxey is a better shooter according to just 3fg% and advanced 3 shooting figures
Why would you say that?
@@mitchelldavis9372Quickley has a higher 3p% this season…
I'm just here liking all my Knicks brothers' posts validating the assessments. We knew... and we wish him well. No hate.
Over the next 3-4 seasons (should Raptors be able to retain Quickley & RJ) I think it'll be solidified that Raptors were definitely on the better end of this trade.
It wouldn’t be solidified that raptors won. You have to compare where both team lands in the standings and their success as a team. That matters more
Graphic in the beginning said 2023, it’s 2024 dudes
Quick hadn't had the same opportunity in his role nor the playing time as Maxey. Quick will be an Allstar for many years
His jump shot & athleticism should have been enough for the Knicks to pay him. I swear the Knicks haven’t had a home grown star since Ewing & he was already a star when he got drafted. It’s like they have no player development staff in that organization. They don’t know appreciate and have 0 patience with their young talent anymore smh
Ben, you should make a video on curry’s recent struggles.
You’re quite quick to pick on players like KD whenever he struggles, but not Steph. It comes across as some bias.
a real BBQ combo
Jaylen Brown breakdown your next video Thinking Basketball 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
RJ looks promising too
I’ve been watching quickly since he came to the Knicks and Maxey comparisons were being made.
I watched them go head to head multiple times…. Quickly is a better player.
Defense, motor, quick learning, leader, and he is a DOG
I guarantee when it’s all said and done, these comparisons will be laughable
IQ is a winner
ive been calling him tyrese maxey light for a while! other knick fans called me delusional. still glad the knicks got OG though.
His game is similar to Jordan Poole and Kyrie Irving
Question... how is Thibs at developing his players... and from what I see, he's way ahead K-Low and Vanvleet were at his age talentwise.
I think he does a good job but he is a hard nosed coach and is all about defense first. If you're bad on defense he has no problem with not giving you minutes. If he likes you you will become one of his favorite players..lol
I mean look historically at the old teams he coached. Very few young guys earned his trust with their defense to get more play time. Jimmy Butler being one of them.
Thibs does not gamble, which is bad and good. Good for the players because they will practice to be better at D, and also bad if the player is definitely bad in offense because he will never see the court. There are players that no matter how hard they try, they are bad at D.
His time to shine with Pascal traded today, what say you?
YESSIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Knicks fans are not going to be happy if that’s true… can’t wait
wembys elixer will power generations
We really got the Immanuel Quickley video before a single Paolo Banchero showcase
there's lots of good nba players in the league, no one likes whiners about video topics
Please can u release dr j video
IQ supremacy
yep
0:20 They're secretly the same person....
maxey and quickley same height too lol
Y'all got a future star from NYC Canada boi bout that and he put god first is sky's the limit quick
Clippers? All media is buying in now but until the nuggets and pelicans are out of the post season I believe conference finals is the best they can do.
We replaced FVV with FVV 2.0 (I mean this as a compliment)
They have pretty different playstyles no?
@@notsocooldude7720 Fred definitely didn't have the floater game Quickley has, and it's possible the latter expands his at-rim package to make himself a capable finisher. I guess I was thinking more so just the high end off-ball D + 3pt shooting + not amazing POA D (FVV is better though in this)
quickley is 6'2 with a 6'8 wingspan. fred is 5'10 with a 6'0 swingspan, quick has the best floater in the nba, fred worst floater
this was god thank you
This guy looks more slippery offensively than even maxi ... but your right similar type of player ... reminds me a better version of jamal Crawford n maxy
If he goes off this season they are going to have to pay him big. Then pay Siakam big. Then offer Barnes big money this summer their cap could be screwed.
How will their cap be screwed? Barnes is in line for the max extension in regards where he got drafted and how he's performing. Siakam def earned his money. Also look at the teams with the projected big cap space next offseason and tell me if they are willing to offer IQ a big chunk of their cap with how shitty their rosters may be. Raps have the leverage of IQ being an RFA and the market ultimately dictating if they feel he's a big money player.
@@t4d0W you can go to spotrac and check. Raptors have 47mil in practical cap space. They have only 8 players signed for next year. If they re-sign Pascal that's almost all you cap space. 142mil. If IQ goes and have a good season. He is going to ask for 25mil plus. And you still don't have a bench. GT2 is making 18mil this year. You guys would be pushing upon the 2nd tax apron 190mil. That's crazy for a team not playing for a ring . Yeah maybe playoff team. But that's it. Just keeping it real.
NOOOOOOO. Not the Ben Taylor "future star" curse. First my favorite players Kevin Huerter and Jared Vanderbilt had their careers crushed by it, now my guy IQ.
IQ is pretty quick and has decent IQ.
another wemby vid please
Ujiri strikes again. Plus, despite the Knicks' recent resurgence to relevance, it's ok to assume that they're mismanaging some assets.
coby white next
Quickley has not even close to his ceiling. As Knicks fan Tom Thibadeau can hinder the offensive growth of his young players. Quickley should have been a starter 2 seasons ago but Thibs had Alec Burks starting. Why? No clue when Quickley was right there. His substitutions did not help him either. Quickley would get on a role and Thibs would take him out of the game in the middle of a great run from him. All for defense and that Thibodeau stubborness! Imm glad Quickley got outta that situation and has a chance to grow even more offensively, His defense is above average so no worry there. I hope he can become a star. IQ will be missed.😊
From the same ppl who said OKC’s Pokusevski was gonna be a STAR …
Bra did you not say lebrons trash
As if every take is gonna be bnag on 😭
I never remembered them saying that. You must be confusing them to another white guy who talks basketball at the Ringer raving about Poku. Get your shit straightened out.
I hate the Knicks man. How do you just lose this dude for so little. OG and precious are solid players but quickley is a star and the Knicks were already a star away from seriously contending.
Quickley is not currently a star but he has star potential. And they already have Randle and Brunson for scoring
you can't start quickley and brunson together. That backcourt is just too small so you have to trade one of them. And as long as Quickley was a backup pg there, no one trading a legit star for just him. Plus, how are you going to put OG and precious in the same category? OG's one of the best 3&d wings in the league, something the Knick needed the most. Precious is a bonehead.
They don’t wear the same number
Quickly much better, talented & younger than brunson.
Stop
@@sneakyninja0866 nope I think I'll continue. Brunson average af. It's easy to see why he was a second round pick. But I applaud him cause he makes up for it
It’s easy to compare maxey and IQ. I think their games are completely different tbh. They just have similar builds went to the same school
For betting people out there Immanuel quickley for mip next your is a great bet my prediction he will probably average 23-3-5
Good luck what that idiotic bet.
@@edgardoMurnia good look with your depressed life I’ll be betting on you to fail 😂😂😂
@@christianmeneses4996 Wow. Lol. If you have depression in your mind dont bring it here in this convo bruh lol
soo hey, it's not 2023 anymore :( it says so in the video, just wanted to let you know boss
Real Knick fans know: What Quickly giveth, RJ taketh away.
maxey is better offensively, but quick is better on defense.
There is no world where Quickley is better on defense. No world
Why not give a spotlight to what Scottie Barnes has done this season? He's actually been a star-level player aside Siakam.
If only the Knicks could’ve kept him and gotten og …
They would have a 6th man
no
If the trade doesnt work out quickley enough i might not be able to barrett