How to cheat gravity in basketball
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2024
- How did Anthony Edwards get so high on his game-saving block against Indiana? How did he get so high dunking on John Collins?? This detailed breakdown analyzes the hang time and physics of the "Chambers Boost" that causes players to cheat gravity and jump higher than ever.
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There's a pro-dunker named Isaiah Rivera. He legit gets around a 0.98 hangtime on a jump with nobody around him. He has an officially tested 50.5 inch vertical. He's by far the highest leaper I've ever seen
Just saw his video. CRAZY height
damn dude that one handed tweener was cooooold af
I've seen him in the dunk contests, everyone jumps over 45 there, or so it seems
I’ve seen someone with a 52 inch vert and it’s actually on CZcams
dunk league legend
you tricked me into watching a physics lessons, fantastic video
nah deadass😂😂😂😂 the amount of dedication it takes to notice these things is just ridiculous
Fr yo😂
I feel dirty
Basically, it's as much athleticism as it is bravery to go directly at the opponent and get that 'boost'.
If someone gets bumped from below, it happens. If someone constantly look for people to claw at with their off-hand when they jump, it’s trying to satisfy their ego with a dangerous play and should be called a foul if not a flagrant every time. If this shit gets normalized, your gonna get awkward falls and poked eyes every game, as if players today don’t get injured enough as is.
@@JohnSmith-oc6gm I wouldn't say they're doing it with the intention of getting a boost. Whenever you drive you're always going to protect the ball with your off hand and the same goes for when you jump for a lay-up or dunk. This is why a lot of the time their bodies can end up perpendicular to the defenders, like in Blake's dunks which results in a high amount of those push offs. Part of it is on the defender as well because they know who can get up, and if that person gets within 10ft of the hoop, they better be ready to TRY and contest (which results in a lot of these clips) or just get the hell out of the way.
@@TheAwesomeAsian300 That’s some hard coping to say pushing people DOWN in air isn’t trying to gain a boost. Stiff arming or chicken wing hook on the floor are also offensive fouls by the book. Hand to neck-or-above contact are always reviewed for flagrants and somehow even know it’s 10x more dangerous in air, it never gets called. Why would anyone play defense if you don’t call these fouls? AD can catch lobs above the square but he can’t get his hand over the rim when someone is vaulting off his face. Did he lose his vert or is it the rules?
i mean yeah but also swiping your arm down and clobbering the dude in the face while he's going vertical for the block isn't exactly brave. i wouldn't mind if they started calling more offensive fouls for the flying stiffarm this ain't football. looks cool though
@@JohnSmith-oc6gmIf they banned this move it would be great for basketball especially for defense because defense literally can’t do anything nowadays you can claw and push a defender down once you’re in the air no matter what it’s actually crazy
"This might be the highest an NBA player has ever been in a game!"
Chet Holmgren: hold my joint
Michael Beasley: hold my blunt
J.r smith maybe - idk what to do with my hands.
Dion Waiters: hold my gummies
😂😂😂
Gerald Green windmill alley-oop is probably the craziest unassisted dunk i have ever seen.
An alley oop is quite literally an assisted dunk :D i do know what you mean though - his jump was unassisted
yep.
I was looking for this comment. He was waaay up there.
In Aussie Rules (AFL) this is a extremely well known move called a “Specky”. Players will try to jump on others backs to get the extra boost
Exactly!
@@cameronmilne8995yes this.
Damn you beat me to it lol
Haha from the off you could tell this boost should be named after jesaulenko
Imagine if NBA players started setting up teammates for specky alley-oops or specky blocks. The fast break specky alley-oop could be the greatest thing ever haha.
This makes the Gerald Green Windmill Alley-Oop dunk even more impressive. No contact and head above the rim. That dunk is insane
Very creative and thoughtful dive into the very same phenomena that is used by outfielders at the wall to rob home runs in baseball.
I had to fight the urge to run a bunch of Ken Griffey Jr. highlights
0:42 i think JR Smith has something to say about that lol
Bruh lol
He actually had one of these dunks w the nuggets so it’s a convo fs
@@SegwaeThePromodon’t think that’s the height he’s referring to 💀
Hats off to you, good sir.
I 100% was thinking the same hahaha
I did this once I was 16 like 6’0 180..was at the park drove down the center lane..this huge grown man prob 5’11 300 he stepped up AND jumped. Thought he was gon take me out the air but my knee went into his belly and I got this superboost that took me higher than I ever been dunked on him HARD. I didn’t even jump that high it was me hitting him at the perfect angle that took me to the sky
After all these years watching the LeBron skyscraping clip in portland at @7:56, i NEVER noticed Travis Outlaw on the bench getting jumpscared by how high lebron was
I knew I wasn’t the only one to have peeped that 😂😂
This technique of using your opponents upwards momentum is commonly used in AFL, called a "speckie".
Basically timing your jump with your opponent so you can ride their momentum and get boosted up a bit higher over them.
AFL really should be bigger in the states
i don’t know much about AFL or any of its history, but flyin ryan is one of my sporting heroes. i only watch west coast, but i imagine liam has to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of this technique given his height. i’ve never measured it but i’m sure some of his marks get over 1s hangtime if not significantly more.
thanks for introducing me to the term “speckie,” i’m a fan of it haha. i’m sure the commentators have used it before and i just haven’t noticed
Yeah I kept expecting an AFL reference in the video 🥲 Biggest boost in a speckie I can think of was Ashley Sampi's 2004 mark of the year - he was in the air about 1.3 seconds!
That's really interesting - I watched AFL a little in the '90s but never knew about this. The Ashley Sampi one is incredible.
Another great afl term is when someone's "got the sit", when they're at the back of a pack and can run and jump early and get the (i hate tom) chambers (moses should've won the 87 all star game mvp) boost from multiple players.
Anthony Edwards is a Cheat Code. 🏀🏀🏀
You mean a cheater.
@@JohnSmith-oc6gmL
Love this video. Its like learning new tech in a video game
2:58 gotta Love a JKyle Mann reference.
give me video collabs and not just podcast appearances 😭
Came for highlight plays, leave with knowledge.
Well, thinking basketball, you've outdone yourself again. What a video. Bravo.
Only Thinking Basketball can make a video on something as miniscule as this & it's still entertaining
incredible video. absolutely captivated the whole time. great work ben!
In the Australian Football League (AFL), we have a move called a speccy (Spectacular Mark/Grab). Either a teammate or opponent is used as a prop. One jumps into their back, and balances on them/jumps higher like a spring board. You'll often see players being 2 whole humans up in the air, while crashing down and holding the ball. No pads, just guts and balls.
Look up AFL greatest marks. You'll go down the rabbit hole.
this.
This is BY FAR my favorite basketball channel EVER‼️
Love you and all you do for hoopers and our sport, Ben❤️
Man what a great job Ben
Early contender for best video I've seen this year, bravo dude, this is incredible
Love your content for years. Well done 🎉 and keep going ❤
Always a good day with a Thinking Basketball upload
So glad you made this video. As much as I love all these dunks/blocks, especially the recent ones by Ant, it’s annoying how few people seem to acknowledge the extra boosts
YES, exactly my thoughts. Glad ThinkingBasketball addressed this
Javales reaction to the dunk was the best part, the man look legit scared.
The progress in the NBA with athleticism is insane with Anthony Edwards, Shaedon Sharpe, and Jalen Green
Are those players more athletic than jordan?
@@EbonysUnderAttackmaybe not ant or jalen but shaedon has a 49 inch vertical, and michael was reported with a 48 inch vertical, i dont know about speed or anything else though
Some of them can be
@@v00tini mj got 46 inch not 48
@@sumiokodai16522 inches is fucking huge ngl
Been noticing this since I started observing the game thanks for pointing it out and breaking it down a bit more
Such a great video. Basketball and physics in equal measure. Love it!
Fantastic video once again! I don't know how you do it but I sure am thankful you do as a fellow thinking bball man
Thank you for this video. So good ❤
I played that game and the dunk graphics were like a slow-motion bit within the game time speed. It was cool back them.
love the videos keep up the great work
this video just makes me even more amazed by that Gerald Green's jump, how could that man fly with his head above the rim so casually, whitout any help, boost, nothing... NBA has some freaks of nature
PLEASE DO A GREATEST PEAKS FOR DEFENSE. Would be awesome to go from Russel to Dray/Rudy (maybe Wemby soon?) and study their alternative effects on the game as well
Thanks for the video!
That game, "Lakers vs Celtics and the NBA Playoffs", was actually what got me interested in playing basketball as a kid! I used to play it with my brother and was fascinated by the dunks, the steals, and given that it showed stats for the players, I was surprised that a player could dominate such a wide variety of stats (such as MJ with his scoring and steals, and Olajuwon with scoring, steals, blocks, rebounds). Because of this game, I started to watch the NBA on TV and then started bring a basketball to school to play with friends. The rest, as they say, is history!
An eye-opener. Great analysis.
Such a fun vid! I was reminded of the 92’ Foot Locker SlamFest (which featured Mike Conley’s dad dunking from at least a few feet beyond the FT line) and would love to see a sequel dealing with the horizontal parts of this, even though I know it’s not talked about much.
Phenomenal content. Thank you. Liked and subscribed.
This is a great video. I think about this a lot while watching games.
This was my bread and butter back in the day being a hair shy of 6ft. Loved the and 1 contact giving you that slow mo feel with that extra hangtime. Had all day to calculate the position of the rim in relation to me adjusting to the spin or drift that results from the contact and as long as no one collapsed down on me to double me which wasn't too often the case since my height tended to not attract too much attention on the blocks or in the box. You gots to go hard in the paint player. I was a solid 190 which served me well when I drew contact even though dude may of had 6 plus inches on me but not much more mass or maybe less.
Always noticed that but never knew it had an actual name. Fascinating.
Imagine being Pau Gasol, getting punched in the face while a dude dunks on you, and the refs call a foul on your face for making contact with the guys extended fist. The NBA will overlook anything for a highlight.
there was an andrew wiggins poster that got called a charge once, I think it was against the mavs (don't quote me on that), so it can be called but yeah it definitely doesn't happen very often
This was actually the beginning of the end for Blake Griffin. The two dunks were so visibly outrageous, that from that point on, it became a point of focus for the referees. Blake Griffin's use of his off arm were reviewed and were called as offensive fouls in future games. Without a doubt, while amazing poster dunks, it was a huge productivity cut in Blake's game moving forward.
You don't understand ref, he threw his face at my fist.
That’s an amazing analysis 🙏
You should have a look at the AFL (Australian Rules Football). There is a type of mark, or catch, called a specky, where players jump off each other's backs to get extra height and hangtime. In the sport of AFL this is pretty frequent, about 1 or 2 a game where players leap off of each other.
Specifically, czcams.com/video/zcvez3fTDH0/video.htmlsi=CHZGIRNXXjdxoB1N
I'm honestly just glad to see Tom Chambers get some recognition.
Dude was so good & isn't remembered the way he should be.
He would fit so perfectly in the modern NBA.
Big, super athletic forward that can shoot.
He could play 3-5 in the modern era.
its a big thing in australian football, jumping onto other people to stay high and catch the football, usually known as a speckie
I’m a high school physics teacher with spring break next week. I’ll definitely be showing my class this video tomorrow!
The Ja Morant block where he pinned it two hands on the backboard was so incredible because there wasn't a Chamber's Boost. It legitimately looked like he jumped off a trampoline to block the shot. Usually you see a guy get that high, and there's almost always some form of contact that gave him a boost. Morant just has springs in his feet or something.
Yeahy was waiting for it in the video
That is a great video. Thank you 🙏
That was deep as hell.now the other dunk's i just seen shown never seen them wow.
This is probably my favorite video of yours
I did this one time at the park on a put back and have never done it again I always wondered how I got so much air but this video explains it perfectly
Lobe the physics explanation here these type of players are always fun when you see gravity defying stuff
Been loving the J Kyle Mann vids, would love a podcast with you and Nekias Duncan
nba storyteller had a great vid about dunking a couple years ago. had a lot of this info, but went into a lot more about the emotion and context for what makes dunks great beyond just the physics.
What’s that video called?
I'm loving Ben Taylor's sports science arc.
I thought the contact would actually hinder a dunker's vertical but wow it all makes sense now. Awesome video also with that J Kyle Mann reference
Awesome breakdown thanks
Yo this was awesome, we always thought there was some sort of push off (thus the poster dunk) but this was cooool
Great video boss
Awesome video. Thank you so much
Amazing video!
0:43 Dion Waiters would like a word
Bro I was literally studying for my 2nd Dynamics exam for college earlier today (Dynamics is physics in motion) and I see this video right after I cooked. The timing is crazy lmao, anyways, was a great video as always man! 👍🏾
I always knew about this but this is my first time seeing somebody actually talk about it
This was a fun watch
Look at the Cavs bench at 9:24 😂
1:22 The defender #18 jumped and helped Jackson's lift.
The will and fearlessness to ride one of those bumps is still AMAZING!!!
Every hooper has in their memory their highest jump ever. A jump so high that they could never replicate again. Mine? A putback in a game where I could dunk with my elbow. I bet most players archive their highest jump in-game, where the adrenaline, the intensity, and the emotions are at their peak, making you capable of doing things that you never could otherwise. I'm just a random white 6.2 guy that never higher than a simple one hand dunk.
i frequently surprise myself when competing for rebounds or blocks, jumping a few inches higher than i expect
This is big in the game of AFL (aussie rules) where some of the biggest leapers get a boost from the other players to get crazy high on catches (or marks), love from australia
Gerald Green INSANE ATHLETICISM 💪🔥💪
This happens in Australian Football. You can jump on others back in order to catch the ball. Naturally the person you jump on will also be jumping to catch the ball, so if done right, you will get a boost up.
Man I'm glad you included that LeBron clip where he had his shoulder at the rim. Years ago I had commented saying he was boosted and explained how his trajectory changed and his hangtime increased. People just could not accept it and lost their minds lol. Granted, it was an extremely well timed boost and isn't easy to see if you don't know what to look for. However there's also some common sense to it 😂
Lakers vs. Celtics Sega Genesis kid, here! Thanks for that nostalgic rewind, Ben!
Do you think the forearm boosts should be offensive fouls?
Amazing video, it's even more amazing when you've experienced it in real life yourself, Unfortunately I wasn't blocking or dunking on someone, but was going up for a rebound and never even caught it... But I remember saying... Damn I could've dunked that, then realising somehow the defender below me even though they hadn't even pushed up, the contact from them made me a 5'9" guy almost feel like Mike.
😆 We lost the game, I only had 2 points, but that was a highlight I will never forget.
Thanks for giving me an explanation.
What a fun little aside. Great video
Look up Australian Rules speckie compilations and you’ll see the most incredible chambers boosts ever
Thanks for runining dunkmas! That first dunk of Jackson Jr in the clip was the best dunk I had ever witnessed together with Vince of course! :/
Speaking of dunk contests, and the stories of that series of dunk contests that were athletes from other sports, you don't know what I'd give to see if it would be possible to do a quad axel dunk. I actually have no idea how high Ilia Malinin (reigning US and Grand Prix finals champ in figure skating) gets on any of his quads, or how much a ball could change the technique, but even a double or triple axel one would be super impressive if it is possible because of the rotations. I'm not even sure if an axel makes the most sense, but it's the only jump that starts forwards, so it's the one that comes to mind for this.
my point really is, bring back the other sports dunk contests please.
Amazing 😊😊
I had no clue about this faceit of the game/pyschics, i thought the contact would typically slow people down not help them
I still have that Lakers vs Celtics game for the Genesis.
Chambers was like a cheat code and when all the friends got together to play tournaments with money, we had a higher price to pick Phoenix because of Chambers.
How long before we see teammates deliberately giving each other vertical boosts like this?
Ben Taylor you are my goat
The guy he was dunking on jumped to get the rebound under him lifting Jackson in mid-air because inertia and momentum. My video would have been wake. Appreciate the content, great breakdowns.
That Edwards block is one of the best blocks in NBA history. I love that kid, he so fun to watch.
@thinking basketball You missed a Chambers boost dunk from last season that was easily a top 3 dunk last year it is very underrated. Look up Grayson Allen's dunk on former teammate Jordan Nwora and you can see Grayson gets a big boost from Nwora and Grayson's head gets above the rim for one of the best dunks from last season. Grayson Allen after dunking it falls on the ground hard as hell laid out flat and the adrenaline must have been pumping for him to pop up after that nasty fall.
Really wished you put in Dwades poster on Anderson Varejao just because of how ridiculous that dunk was
Same thing with Ants dunk, he had the defender/teammate to push them up and it looks like they actually get that height. Just look at both videos, there’s someone underneath them to give them a few extra inches.
He got a boost when on his way up his butt hit the shoulders of the kinds defender. That added a considerable amount of higher
you've shown me something i cant unsee now
Peyton Watson got one of those when he jumped over Jokic to block Jaylen Brown
Took a concept that could be explained in under a minute and stretched it out to over 10 minutes for the ad revenue. I see they're playing the CZcams game well.
looks like he also got a Tom Chambers style body boost from the defender. I agree, you can increase you vertical; if you're already athletic, just by willing yourself to jump higher. I was able to do it, and surprised my friends at the HS; but when i came down i twisted my knee - game over.
Create the ultimate soul destroying dunk compilation but make it nerdy. No one can do it like Elgee
Looks like an Australian Rules Football mark