WATCH BEFORE BUYING! Metal building dream garage build Ep.3 UPDATE
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- WATCH if your buying a metal building. What I expected vs what I got. We can only Argue for so long. Something has to give. I think we can make a deal. Follow along as I build my dream garage and share the highs and lows along the way.
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You should give the builder a huge shout out for doing more than he agreed on because you didn't do your due diligence beforehand. If your concrete guys would've poured your slab right, you wouldn't have needed a rat guard. I just built a very similar building and I couldn't have been happier with the builder, 5 star metal buildings. Your builder is giving hou amd doing way more for you than I would. He sounds like he really believes in customer satisfaction.
Sounds to me like you want a Mercedes and only want to pay for a Kia
I got my W124 300D for $1500 bucks what are you on about...
More like a Mercedes for the price of a ford pinto , talk about picky ,I guess the squeaky wheel does get the grease
BUT I HAVE A CZcams CHANNEL.... I'M AN "INFLUENCER"
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Color match screws, buddy you have other problems
I put up metal buildings for a living. Before the building was delivered the owner knew exactly what he was getting. We used color match screws on every building. We also insect proof the bottom of the sheets. We performed a notch in the concrete. But if slab was already poured We would use base trim, with rubber closures.
Buy cheap get cheap. I am a builder and love it when a customer goes with the “BETTER DEAL” and later realizes its not what they wanted nor was it what i tried to sell them. Those building companies use galvanized screws because they buy them by the pallet and most ppl dont care. Tin rippling came from being rolled with a wore out machine from a cheap supplier.
I totally agree, this guy comes across as a KAREN that had a coupon for the building then bitches about what would have originally cost more above the coupon. Dude, parts and labor actully cost something....are you expecting people to work for free...if you where paying a rate of 35 dollars an hour per laborer and full price of what the cost of materials are, it would be done to YOUR standard...Dont expect a $30,000 building to only cost you $20,000 and then bitch about it.
One of the reasons my metal building has worked out well for me is because of your story. I was able to dodge some of those pitfalls because of this. Appreciate you taking the time out to tell us your situation/story.
BTW I just wanted to know if after completion and some time has passed, how do you feel about your building? Would you recommend one?
Well thank you very much. I’m so glad it help you out.
The building still has some issues but we’re working through them. I’m not sure if I would recommend one though. For my needs I wish I would’ve just wood framed it. It would be better suited for my needs. But others looking for just dry equipment parking , storage etc I would. Thanks for the support.
I like how honest you are, about taking some of the blame, for not knowing! It shows allot about your character!!!
Thanks man I feel like I’ve learn a lot about the industry since this.
@@ProjectDadLife It's OK to not know some things. That's how we learn! I'm glad they made it right for you, in the end!!!
Can not imagine building his house OMG
I Have installed metal buildings for 40years. The lower trim with foam closures is important. The building you bought I have always avoided because of the engineering and problems that you are having. They are cheaper but come with many problems. But I do like the insulation. Much easier to install than roll insulation and much better apperance.
13 year GC in Idaho here, I build quite a few shops with steel roofs/siding. 100% every time color match screws, furthermore have detail conversations for any 2 tone metal trim packages. I too would have fired company for not holding up the original truss design. Lastly, installing your "rat guard" or end cap enclosures may not be a standard, but its cheap and I install them and is part of the project, wouldn't even think to leave them out because of minimal cost. I also do ridge venting or gable vents, but avoid typical roof venting and penetrations when possible. All that said, I am not the cheapest but never advertised $1. Integrity gets you more work. Best luck man!
Couldn’t agree more. As a GC in idaho as well, I had no idea that mismatched metal screws were even an option. Lol
Btw what part of idaho? We’re in the panhandle.
@@JD-hr8oq in Boise, at least until kiddo is off to college. Then might head up north, getting pretty crowded in Ada County.
You get what you pay for. I bought a wood shed for my backyard. Its 14 x 10 . The Amish make them for all the local companies. I paid $7500 for a wood shed ! Its a beautiful shed. I would expect to pay at least $15k for a garage like yours in NY. I have an architect designing a 3 car garage for my summer home , with 3 lifts to make it a 6 car with a loft. Almost $150,000 !!!! I need to sell and get the hell out of NY !
You know, your job is not building metal buildings - the contractor does this. Why he would not ask "do you want color matched screws" or "Do you want rat catchers?" is beyond me. It's not an up-sell, it's making sure the customer gets what they expect. A little education would have avoided a lot of trouble.
This guy said it all when he said he thinks he got a good deal so he's happy. Got all the upgrades he wanted without paying for them.
You get what you pay for. Thicker steel won't ripple. Steel thickness varies with price & same with structural components, trim, windows, doors, etc. Some people can't afford all the extra stuff or don't need it.
Seems like a red iron building is what would've worked best for you, rat guards and all the other options are standard on red iron buildings (I've put some together)
Im sure it all worked out great for you.
One other item that I learned (the hard way) that was not standard, is ridge vent, or at least gable vents. I do not see any ventilation in your steel building. It's a must have, one way or another. I've built 3 of these now, and learned along the way.
even if you closed cell spray foam when its done?
@mikenkaried4543 You serious? Yes. It's very neccessary
You might want to stitch weld (offset) some flat bar on those trusses that will not have the extra support. Jack them up with a post and jack to take the sag out of them and even put a little bit of camber up. Then weld a piece of 2" x 3/16 on once side. Stich weld 2" on 8" centers (Weld two inches, skip 6. Weld two) Then do the same on the other side, but start in between your first welds. (Tack it all up before you begin welding.) The proper name is "Staggered intermittent weld"
Cutting out roof supports on an already basic build thin metal building seems like a a very bad idea that will have bad results down the road.
Glad to hear that you were able to come to an agreement with the builder. I think you did well and stood your ground to arrive at a satisfactory result that was best for both of you. With due respect to all, I think it should be incumbent upon the seller to point out all those items you did not make clear up front. Would it be so hard to say, "by the way would you like colour matched screws and may we suggest rat guard as you are having the panels vertically installed", etc.? It's only good business practice to identify such things because it's their profession and we as customers shouldn't be expected to know everything there is to know about such construction. My opinion anyway.
Correct, because would you typical buyer know any of that? It's to the point that a potential buyer has to know as much or more then the company selling the product. One can't ask questions if one doesn't have the background knowledge to formulate the question.
You don't actually need the bottom trim. Most builders do a sheet notch on concrete pad. That is done when setting up forms for pad. It basically allows the sheets to set in a little leaving no daylight.
My sheets were installed over the outside edge of the slab. I think the notch would collect water.
One thing we all need to remember, we must do our home work when planning a large job like this. Also, for the building materials, detailed information including drawing are important. One last fact, when buying a metal building, you get what you pay for. This building might have been perfect if bought and paid for with a 5-6K higher price. Lot less stress and headaches. Just one opinion.
Glad they made it right and you got it all squared away for less hassle and less money. Live and learn my man, thanks for the update
They actually did an excellent job when they showed up. Took 2 days but it turned out great. Video will be up soon. Thanks for the support bud.
Thx for this video, I just had a metal garage built and no rat guard or bug guard was installed prior to the sides going on. I just called the manufacturer and they are going to remedy the problem.
That’s so great! Glad it helped you out
Great update. Glad the builder finally bended enough that both of you were both satisfied with the next step. Thank you for all the great info. When I get my metal building, I will 100% see what's included and what needs to be added before I pull that trigger. Bent metal panels and tiny trusses unacceptable. Life, you picture one thing and get something else. Never be complacent, glad you didn't and we all learned something.
I had my concrete guy give me an 1.5” drop “brick ledge” around the actual footprint of the building so the building installer could drop the metal and close off the rat holes. I also paid for the insulation on the walls which solved the air gap. I went through Allan’s factory outlet. They address many of your issues right on line as you design your own building. They give you the matching fastener option too. That sucks that you had that many problems.
Thanks for the comment I'm going with Alan's as well❤
We're going with Alan's as well. They have the best pricing IMO, and it includes installation, plus you can design it yourself. I've also heard their customer service is fantastic. I cannot wait to get my shop and garage built!
You get what you pay for. Never take the low estimate and believe your going to get the top job. One thing you always better do, make sure everything that you expect is in the contract. Dot the I's and cross the T's and leave nothing to assumption. When you assume it will be taken care of you are asking for the old "That was not in the contract" and the pissing match starts.
Thank you for this video! As with other comments, I appreciated your honesty and exposing all of this. Your not the only one to assume. I'll apply what you provided! You saved us big!
Thank you so glad it could help you in your projects
One mistake was the wall height spec - 10ft never works well when you're putting a car lift in. Minimum is 12ft which gives you another 6-8" in the center for lift install and needed P/U truck roof clearance.
The screws should have been color matched with out you having to ask. That's why you chose the color that you wanted. It's about quality andcustomerr satisfaction. It's so simple people
Yes. Since then everyone I’ve talked to got color matched screws without even knowing to ask.
Thanks for the video and taking the time to make it, we're in the process of building a 40 X 30 with 14' walls metal shop now in Fl and this is a big help to us. Wish us luck ... our concrete starts in 2 weeks and now i know a few thing to look for
thank you for watching. Love the feedback im glad it could help someone
The "rippling" is probably as a result of 29 gauge metal instead of 26. The "rat guard" is included on red iron buildings, typically. All metal buildings should have a "sheet ledge", so if you elect not to use the rat trim, (rust issues later), the panels rest on the ledge. And, if you alter the building, like in cutting out the bottom chord of a "truss", then you have defeated the point of having them entirely. What you actually have is a rafter system with collar ties, and if you didn't like the outcome, you could have added the spanning chord member as needed. I would bet your local building department would have allowed it as designed, since they have "prescriptive" engineering.
Thank you, I am thinking about a getting a metal building and would have never thought about all the problems you had.
Thanks so glad it helped.
I spent extra and built a red iron building. I'm a welder/fab guy by trade and I watched the installers closely. They did a helluva job and didn't cut corners like so many outfits do these days. Glad it worked out for ya.
Thank you for the tips. I went outside to check the work they were doing before they left.
I checked the plans. My tresses are small because My plan was to build a deck inside for my wife and the rest of the space was for me. 🤫.
Everything looked good. Thank you again. Oh... my building is 40x40x15.
Ok that seals it for me, I'll go horizontal panels. It's also helpful for me to see what a 4:12 roof looks like. Thanks. I agree companies should be more specific on what you get!
Totally thanks for the support.
Just do thing right the first time.. Make life so much easier ! House looks nice in the background..
Thanks man
Ii am an. Installer and have done those buildings and they build those as basic as possible. They are very cost effective even compared to pole barns and iron buildings
Now, for what you are saying about your building.. If your spending the money for the shop you want, you should have the beat quality of work it comes with it.
Great job on standing your ground. 👍🏼
big of you to accept some of the blame, you don't know or get if you don't ask these days. Considering a metal building to replace my cinder block garage, thanks for pointing out some details to watch out for
Sorry to comment so much but I am seeing light coming in at the top of your building. Top of wall sheets and under roof panels should have foam closure strips which are easy to install and to seal building.
Life is all about learning, just don't hate the contractors if you misunderstood the standards. At least your contractor is attentive, some don't even show up.
I Agree thanks
Great video. Fortunately for me all those things you are warning against, came with the kit (colored screws, rat guard etc). I purchased my barndominium (24 x 40) from Absolute Steel. They are the manufactures, not second or third tier suppliers. The only thing they do not produce is the siding and the roof. Thank you for all your advice, these are things I never would have thought of…
I understand your frustration, when you're spending nearly $20,000 on a building you expect things to be done a certain way. But as you said, in this day and age companies don't think like that, they constantly try to cut corners. I don't think you are being to picky, you want what you want nothing more, nothing less.
I think you did well with what you and the building people agreed to. Yes, the colored screws are an upgrade.
No Offence, but you seem like a good guy but a contractors worse nightmare
The problem with these budget friendly metal building kits is the way they get them so cheap is by using thinner sheet metal, smaller perlin and all around cheap hardware. The ripples on the panels is because of how thin they are. The more expensive kits will have thicker r panel but I priced a 40x40 for a bolt together kit and they wanted $34,000 for the kit with no slab or installation. The fact that they even agreed to come back and do anything to it impresses the hell out of me. I've been in construction my whole life and it's getting hard to find people who would do that much to make it right for you.
Thanks yes it is a budget building! I learned so much that I didn’t know going through this build!
Good info, really the sales person should give all the options. Can't wait to see it finished, right.
you would think so right. thanks for watching
You're damn right. I want carte blanch service from a dealer, not 'I hope he don't ask a bunch of questions' service. Dealers like that are ruining stuff. Makes me bitter.
They do inset the slab with a notch so that gap has concrete under it. Plus they match the color to the tin in Texas.
kudos to him for taking ownership on not asking the appropriate questions.
Thank goodness agreement came to fruition. Just glad ta see everyone stepped up. That usually doesn't happen before a court date.
Thank you I’m glad we worked it out also. Your right
Color matched screws are standard in myrtle beach sc. Homewood metal.
this was your first project, now you know better for your next project. We sometimes get overly excited and rushed but hey it looks good.
Absolutely! Defiantly learned a lot with this one
Water under the bridge at this point in time but when you said you were going to cut the trusses a literal shiver went down my spine and my head started shaking side to side. I'm sure there is a right way to do that and I hope that's the route you go but I know there are many wrong ways to do it too that will totally compromise your structural integrity. Good luck. You could use some about now ;)
I learned this the hard way too. The black and white part.
Thanks for the update mate. Let’s hope the builder keeps his word. Looking forward to more news. Stay strong mate.
The problem with buildings like that one is that they are horribly cheap and are "engineered" to the bare minimum. The companies use the cheapest contractors they can find, the metal sheets are super thin, etc.
We ended up spending a lot more than originally intended but we have a really stout, red iron, fully insulated 40x60 garage. I'm so glad we went the way we did, its worth every penny.
Who did you use for the building?
@@jasmynesartstudio we bought ours from Elite Metal Buildings in AZ. 2 friends and I put it up.
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Red-iron and light gauge structural tube structures are made to the same code if they are engineered. They will be literally the same strength. Gauge thickness on sheeting is determined by client. Do a walk through of the manufacturing facility and don't order from metal building dealers. A dealer adds on another 20% to the base price of the structure and the actual manufacturer usually has a recommended installation company that they've worked with for years
@@TheSilentBush I have an overhead crane in my garage that Ive picked over 8,000lbs with. There is NO way a structural pop can building would handle that and there would certainly be no place to properly attach it. My building isn't even designed for it, it was an afterthought.
And unless your handicapped, why would you pay someone else to erect your building??
You mentioned where you assumed things, and you pointed out where things were obviously out of spec. While I understand your frustration with all of it, I would recommend that you reflect on how you handled things up to this point. When you fired the erector crew, you immediately set a tone on the negotiation process going forward. Even if you were 100% correct about everything you first noticed, that was not the most professional way to achieve your completed building. Therefore, when you stated many times in this video about people "not doing their job right," that would include you. I have been there, done that, and learned my lessons. I would recommend to anyone to always expect folks to do their job WRONG, instead of right. After all, we are hiring outside contractors, not working with our own hand picked, trained up, and experienced employees. Keep this thought in mind.....If I have good employees, and a few of my business associates that I work with and trust on a daily/weekly/project basis have good employees, then SOMEONE must have hired all the poor employees that we all wouldn't hire ever. That is who you have to expect to be showing up on your site when you use a random contractor for a one off project like this. I will be checking out the follow up videos. Good luck.
I admire your willingness to contract this work yourself. All these problems (wrong colored screws) can be avoided by hiring an experienced General Contractor. The downside, you will have to pay for that service.
B.s. the screws should match siding or trim color
What I thought to.
While ordering itll ask you if you want color matching screws. I ordered mine online though. Cost extra
Glad you went after them to do a proper job.
Yes sir fortunately we were able to work through it!
I hope you pay the house carpenters, scary working for people like you...
Galvanized is base.. paint after u install that way you coat the screw and the hole that was made to help with rusting
when i first heard you say they were planning to put the whole thing up in just 1 day, i figured it was slam boom bang day, where they had to cut all corners possible. as for the different color screws, no big deal. if you dont look at those things all day long, you wouldnt know to ask. its good theyre working out the problems for you, its a big shop, wouldve been a shame, and a waste to take it all down and start over.
That ripple was either the stack was damaged or more likely the rollers were out of adjustment when they ran the flat sheets through the rollers that put the corrugations in it. The rat guard piece is important, but you might also go around and spray a bit of great stuff foam into the cavities to fill them in too. I have actually had vines grow into the building from the outside.
Another thing is that you as the customer only buy a building like this maybe once in your lifetime. These guys sell them every day. It should be on them to let you know the details and spell them out for options and practices of what your are really getting.
It would probably be cheaper and faster to just install a toe flashing/ rat guard. I personally wouldn’t go anywhere near a metal roof with spray foam, it attracts moisture and rusts the metal out prematurely. Also, the painted screws are $20-30 extra on a job that size, they should just be included for free.
Also did they lap it the right direction some pannels are designed to have a certain edge under and the other on top, I've seen installer not even know that there is a right and wrong way to do install them. usually the under lap may have "oil canning" (rippling edge)
I recommend purchasing a thicker gauge (26) sheet metal to prevent rippling use R panel instead of Ag Panel
@@calatrava6368 I don’t think it was the gauge, I believe it was there panel line wasn’t adjusted properly with the correct tension.
@@marcpledger are you high? These building last forever with spray foam insulation. Closed cell. You don’t really know anything about this do you? If the foam doesn’t get wet how would it rust?😂
The proper way to install a steel building on a slab is to put a inch and a half notch in the slab to accommodate the side walls at the bottom. The bottom of the walls fit into the notch.
Then, if you had the rippling, perhaps you could use expanding foam insulation for “rat guard”? I’m looking to do a steel building myself…
The company i went through told me to put a " rat ledge '' around the 30x40 im waiting on to get built, it would help that problem. looking good brother
thanks man.
I appreciate your honesty. Due diligence in research is important. Getting a job well done is accomplished by having a strong, honest and reasonable ATTITUDE. Stick to your standards and integrity. 💪🇺🇸🎯
More than fair! I'm impressed your contractor didn't just walk. They definitely won't be making any money on that job.
As my dad always says, “Life gives you the test, and then the lesson.”
Building looks good for what they had. Material looks bad not the builders product. That’s the best they could do with what they were sent. That being said they should’ve knows to send the trusses back if they were supposed to be longer
Everything has to be in the contract in detail. It's a lesson learned. Make sure it's up to building code if you have any inspectors.
I'm surprised that below the roof joists above the front foor ledger you don't have a filler of metal for weight load but I don't build metal buildings. It seams like a structural weak point. for load.
Good luck on your building.
I’m a builder and we don’t assume anything. Everything needs to be spelled out to a T on what to install.
I wish everyone was like that.
We had a 30 x40 vertical building installed make a long story short. They made a mess out of it so they had to take it down and redo the building and they gave me all the ten they taken off and installed new ten.
I saw the exact same building a while back looked it over real quick and decided against getting one!
I would just disagree with the screws that seems maybe a little OCD. But they are fixing it for you so good job.
Going to be doing something like this in the near future. Appreciate the education!
Color matched screws are standard in Australia. I have never seen a building with gal screws, even on the roof. If ou have a white iron wall you get white screws. Also we use C Section perlins. Your type of structure would not pass here down under. A mate build a shed similar to yours and it cost over $15000. That was without the slab. Everything we use is bolted together and the tin screwed to the C section. We dont need trusses for that span we just use thicker sections. Sometimes 8 inches to cover tha span.
I love the house in the background
Thank you
Install steel wool for those vertical ribs..or low expanding spray foam that’s what I did.. LOL I had bought color matching screws before the install too
I do commercial refrigeration and when I do a quote, I bid the job for what it will take to do the job right. My name is on that work when it's all said and done, and saving a buck is not worth my reputation. That is how all contracts should operate in my opinion. Anyway glad you're getting it all taken care of, and you're going to get the shop you want for the most part.
Thanks man. I totally agree and In the long run you would probably make more money. I really think I’ve had run of bad luck with contractors lol. Thanks for the support man!
That’s great that you noticed all the mistakes. It’s too expensive for them to take lots of shortcuts.
Yes they are!
when i had close cell foam blown on my building ,i didnt need the rat guard ,as a matter of fact i had a flood with a waterline 8 inches up the side of my buildng ,i only took in about (2) gallons of flood water in a 800 square ft building because i did closed cell ,i was VERY impressed .just a suggestion from what i experienced with mine .happy trails from the texas gulf coast.
We had a building put up then poured the concrete 5” deep
So did that seal up the rat holes with concrete by pouring the concrete after building was up?
Hope you reinforced the slab for the lift. As well as making the slab 6 + inches in that area. If not you may consider extra support. A two post will rip out of the ground.... No one does their job correct. The laborers are there for a check. The owner 9 out of 10 wants the most profit. Furthermore wavy usually second rate, white screws cost more, shorter trusses save money... It's not profitable to go pick the building back up... You get what you pay for..... (cheap,good,fast).... You can only pick two!!!!!
You right you got to stay on every contractor you hire and keep close eye on them
It's a sad reality. Thanks for watching!
Lack of communication on both ends. I understand your frustration but I would also understand the builder's frustration. Just like you assumed all those things were included, the builder probably assumed you knew that they weren't included. Sounds like a pretty understanding builder to me. I know a lot of builders that wouldn't have been willing to bend on that for you. Good luck
what you didn't say in this or episode 4 was. did the building inspector have any issues with this? I bought an old hickory shed. 16x40 and had several go arounds between the building inspector and the company before they approved it, and I was a stickler on following the blue prints
I think you guys crafted a good resolve to the issues. I'm sure it was heated for a while, but in the end all are happy.
Yes I believe so too. Thanks for watching
Resolve is a verb.
There no way that my state will approve that to code. There some companies putting up pole building around here thecatch is that a permit is not required for them . Hard to get insurance on a non permitted building.
I know I’m late to make a comment..
I put up sheds for decades here in South Australia… that stick figure of a shed would never had been passed by local govt.. council…
The wall sheets were seconds.. in quality..the coil of steel to roll the sheets was slightly under width( so cheaper).. that’s why there wasn’t a rolled edge on the overlap..
I would not have installed it if you had purchased the ‘kit’ from a supplier and I came to put it up.
..when it leaks or blows over, I would be to blame..😳
You did the right thing.
The screw line was beautifully straight and the joints look tight..so I think the poor underpaid installers did the best they could with the twigs they were supplied.
Who ever told you that base trim sand colored screw as not standard is feeding you a line of BS. I know my first building I put up has base and color match screws. I didn’t ask for anything special. I’m in Colorado where are you?
Golly I build these for a living and take pride in building the best quality possible. All I can say is look at the displays on all the websites and all of the dealers, they’re all galvanized screws and the bottom trim is extra. The panels suck no doubt about it but the rest is petty. When you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME. Hope you guys worked it out
I totally agree
That is why I put T-111 siding on mine.
Seems like you worked out a reasonable compromise. Hope it all works out in the end for you.
That's why it's better to do it yourself
“If you want something done, do it yourself” - any scammed person
Well you learned alot about contracts. Good for you.
yes is did
Had a 24 × 24 put up I feel your pain. I got screwed the same way. Plus the dam thing leaks like crazy they came back several times. Two years later it still leaking in different areas each time it rain can't insulate it cause they can't fix the leaking problem . Never use them again( buyer be aware shame on me!).good luck
Sorry to hear that! It’s definitely a crazy industry to shop around.
Yep! Mine looked like yours and mice got in all day long!
I'm in the process of building a 32x40 pole barn, I'm worried now, I feel that you shouldn't have to do anything you're not getting what you were promised, great info good luck
thanks for the support.
Thanks for the tips on what to watch out for,?what company is this building from
Well, you bought a cheap building and this is what happens. We bought a 40 x 60 x 16 Behlen Building from a contractor we did a lot of business with no issues. He did the slab and erected the building.
You should have done your research. You got the standard.
I did a pretty good bit of research. First Warped panels I’ve ever seen. The trusses where just straight wrong and the craftsmanship the first build was just crap. The standard was just half a** on this one and they thought I wasn’t going to notice.
Just watched your videos on the issues you've had. What is the manufacturer of the building you chose? I just went through Versatube for mine. It's all delivered but hasn't been put up yet. Seeing some of the things you addressed, opened my eyes to looking at some of the same things with mine before they put it up... Hopefully they do better.