The genesis of the Harvey-Louis rivalry | Suits
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In a flashback, we discover the root of Harvey and Louis’s competitive relationship in their early days at the firm.
Season 04, Episode 13, Fork in the Road,
Harvey and Louis take a drive to aid an out-of-town client to whom they both have deep ties; and Harvey uses the opportunity to force a confrontation between Louis and Mike about their trust issues. Meanwhile, Mike first learns the limitations of his genius when it comes to the law.
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Show Synopsis: "Suits" delves into the fast-paced, high-stakes world of a top Manhattan corporate law firm where hotshot associate Harvey Specter (Gabriel Macht, “Love & Other Drugs”) makes a risky move by hiring Mike Ross (Patrick J. Adams, “Old School”) a brilliant but unmotivated college dropout, as his associate. As he becomes enmeshed in this unfamiliar world, Mike relies heavily on the firm’s best paralegal Rachel (Megan Markle, “Horrible Bosses”) and Harvey's no-nonsense assistant Donna (Sarah Rafferty, “Brothers & Sisters”) to help him serve justice. With a photographic memory and the street smarts of a hustler, Mike proves to be a legal prodigy despite the absence of bonafide legal credentials.
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"i haven't gotten where i am by watching myself"
words to live by.
be bold.
Said every prisoner after every failed early parole hearing.
Words to get disbarred by*
Aside the fact that this is a fictional story that bears no meaning to real life values people should strive to live by, it doesn't hold up in the world of Suits anyway. Harvey never got anywhere because of "not watching himself", he became successful because Jessica Pearson boosted his career. None of his achievements regarding status or authority in the law firm are merited by his own actions.
@@gore0802 That is only 50% true tho. Harvey did get boosted and supported by Jessica, but in the Suits world his way with the clients and his ability to win cases is his superpower. Even tho the way he usually wins cases are 99% not applicable in the real world.
@@Zebness990 Uhm, first of all, to have a parole hearing in prison, you need to go to prison. I can be as bold as I want, I wont go to prison
Kinda tragic that Louis still put his own name last on that napkin before Harvey's even got close to the wall 💀
Because some firms skip middle names
he was the kind of guy who would wanna win with his friends rather than alone, unfortunately he was friends with narcistic brats
I always love it when they show Louis replying back to Harvey in the way Harvey deserves it.
Im a fan of Harvey, Louis grew on me, but Harvey was a backside in this clip & Louis drew the line when Harvey went too far. That said, Louis was a backside to for running to Hardman & sabotaging Harvey's case.
It is sad Louis put his name last in the napkin, but it also showed he was ernest in wanting to make it as a team as opposed to who got there first.
@@rowenaramsaran4256 I love Harvey too but I do believe a lot of things he does or say to Louis wouldn’t stand against a tougher guy, which is why Louis not taking it sometimes becomes nice to watch.
Harvey openly told Luis that he was going for the client when Harmen told them that he will make them partner whoever lands the client. Harvey took it as open competition. Louis went behind his back and sold Harvey out that made it not ok.
The difference between the two, is that only when Harvey is down, does his attitude switch to becoming working together. Harvey accuses and says that all Louis wants is something for himself, but out of the two of them, Louis is the only one who genuinely wants to be a team. He wants recognition, he wants achievement, but ultimately, he wants friends. Harvey only pleads for teamwork when it means promoting himself. Louis would promote teamwork regardless
Sad thing is that it took Luis blackmailing everyone to finally get where he always wanted. Harvey couldn't hold up his end of the deal even when he gave his word that he'd helped him. I also just noticed when he feels bad he swallows hard and looks away when no one is looking at him
Harvey didn't help Louis because he's a rat. If he was willing to sabotage Harvey's case, then there's no reason to trust him. I wasn't surprised he had to blackmail everyone to get to the top
Pretty sure the "deal" was void through the several times Louis has sabotaged Harvey's cases and career.
Funny that while Louis was the first to become partner Harvey was the first to become Name partner
And Senior Partner
And managing partner
And Louis cried and cried about it
It's all about who is the boss liking the most. When Louis got promoted, Daniel was the boss in that building. When Harvey got his promotions, Jessica reigned everything. Just as when Harves couldn't do anything with Daniel as boss, Louis couldn't do anything with Jessica as boss. Everyone has their nemesis as boss at least one time in life. You should learn as much as possible from it and go on. And if you ever meet a personl like this again, don't give them any chance to make you their clown!
Harvey became the senior partner first
Louis was made (Junior) Partner before Harvey but Harvey landed McKernon Motors along with the huge billable hours they came with and became the youngest Senior Partner at the firm whiles Louis remained Junior Partner for quite a long time. Also, Harvey became a named partner before Louis. You know why? It's because he dominated at his job while being loyal to clients and everybody. A lesson to all of us.
Or because he had the boss on his side after this part.
He has a name partner on his corner, a super secretary with quasi-telepathic abilities and an obsessive compulsive need to always win no matter what.
Louis is a victim of his quasi-bipolar emotions... with (before season 5) he was a snobbish pompous elitist, has no real support in the firm because he is (ironically) paranoid about being betrayed and hurt, and has to make do with channelling his excessive anger into his work.
It's a movie. It's not real lofe. There's no lesson. 😂😂😂
@@lawrenceginete1030 Your right its not "real lofe"...
You really dont pay atention to this series.... lois is the one who bring more money into the firm... but jessica always took hardvey side and no matter what lois had done, his name will never be in the wall.
If it was flipped and Louis landed McKernon, there is no chance that Harvey would have sabotaged him to make partner. He always finds another way than be manipulated.
Well Louis would’ve probably turned on McKinnon and passed the test so Harvey wouldn’t have had this chance in the first place.
Jessica and Harvey were more of a team after Daniel left, and Louis was alone.
It’s hilarious how Harvey lasted as long as he did with Hardman still around.
Nice to get a piece where it all started 👍 keep em coming !!
Louis is actually right in this scene. You can see Harvey only thinking about himself. I'm usually with Harvey in the show but not in this scene.
Not really. When Hardman asked who's idea is it Harvey said Louis. He gave him credit
Nah. Harvey took a deal that Hardman offered to both Harvey and Louis, in front of their faces. What Louis did was ACTUALLY stabbing someone in the back. Like the situations are night and day. I guarantee you're an absolute rat to all your friends in real life
@@jaybarnes8720 no
@@jaybarnes8720 so... He gave the credit... But jumped on the first offer thrown towards them, Louis was sticking to his words n never would have taken it... Even if offered 100times
Harvey knows the game of words in which Louis obviously fails, he knows he would grab that deal, but when Louis did something he flipped
Double standards
@@samiksha_rana7 you're as arrogant and ignorant as Louis. I don't see the difference that's just plain silly.
They both played the game.
Very interesting storyline, with sensational actors and actresses, could watch it every day
When he said, I'm the one who did with a straight face was chilli g
I really felt like a better dialogue for Louis in this scene was to have brought up Harvey was a hypocrite. He wanted Junior Partner so bad Harvey was disloyal to Louis because of Harvey's ego. Straight up mentioning what he preached to McKernon Motors tells us that Harvey doesn't believe in loyalty as much as he believes in being a deity -- worshipped with blind faith. Later (or earlier in the show) when Mike does a similar thing, he gives a little silent treatment baby-tantrum and says he wasn't loyal after being metaphorically held gun-point by Jessica.
Louis saw a compromise at the start, Harvey agreed to it. Then there was a change of pace and instead of 'playing the man', knowing that Hardman is playing both of them -- instead of doing one of the other hundred and forty-six things to escape a bullet or return it back, he grabs Louis as a meat shield. Despite Louis being the one trying to de-escalate a hostage situation.
Gah!! I love this show so much I'm starting to talk like them. Don't get me wrong, I love the characters in this show but they really rake Louis through the mud sometimes. While I do favour Harvey in general, Louis should have been the next Hardman or Hardman 2.0 with his almost-paternal care for Rachel and love for Sheila but instead they made him a caricature.
Hardman was still a brilliant 🐍 snake, behinde his exterior he envied the relationship between Harvey and Louis.
I think Hardman tested their loyalty to each other by giving them that challenge. And was proven right
Amazing dialogue and character development. Plot sets up curent events perfectly. This the version of suits I fell in luv with.
Harvey was playing by the business book.
Louis was playing by the moral book.
Morality and business don’t always align (in fact they hardly do).
Hence the phrase “its business, not personal”.
Harvey knew that Louis wanted to be friends and to reach their goals together.
Him not being open about only wanting the business side is what lead to their conflict
Rewatching clips and episodes, I am also very invested in what an antagonistic force Hardman was.
Hardman clean shaved looks weird😂😂😂
Still looks wicked with out a beard
😂😂😂😂@@speedygonzalez5498
This is Harveys best hairstyle and its the "oldest" we see haha
This is exactly like Mike & Sully in Monsters University
I’m with Lois over here but only with a slight margin. Harvey has only 1 argument. That is Harvey betrayed Lois for McKernon in front of him. Lois did it behind his back. But at the end of the day, Harvey started the disloyalty and he doesn’t get any moral high ground, any more than Lois. Also, yes Lois, it is not any different. You are right to ask that question.
1:25 you and your friend asking your mum can your friend stay the night
Ok I don't think Louis was wrong here. Harvey did the same just with all the loyalty bullshiting
Yes, I'm trying to understand this as well 🤔
A lot of what Harvey does to Louis is plain wrong..The show tries to justify it by having Louis be a weasel, but a lot of what Louis does is just a reaction to how Harvey(and by extension Jessica and Donna) treated him first, chiefly the Daniel saga in season 2.
Sabotaging a case that your firm is fighting for a client is utterly wrong.
It definitely falls short of McKernan having the zealous advocacy of the firm.
THIS, is Harvey’s best haircut !
this is Harvey's Fault regardless of how he phrased it to make Louis look bad
Nonsense.
A standard case of a loser blaming everyone. Louis is hating the player, instead of hating rules of the game itself.
Louis should've hated Hardman, not Harvey. Harvey was open about the agreement, which Hardman posed. And then, once again, Louis was the one who actually back-stabbed Harvey by giving away his game-plan, and cried about backstabbing. Pathetic mentality of the victim card
It's amazing how fast emotions can change.
The funny part about lawyers is that THERE ARE NO TEAMS, AND THERE ARE NO SIDES
And people still say that Louis is the mean one...
You know I've watched this 10 minute segment like 5 times, and I'm realising how manipulative/intelligent Hardman is...
I'm still trying to understand if Louis was being loyal or disloyal to Harvey.
Louis was loyal at first but decided to turn on him when Harvey didn't reciprocate his loyalty and need for friendship.
Really, they're two sides of the same coin and it's sad that they never got to be a brotherly team like Mike and Harvey did.
The above analysis is correct
Louis was being loyal to Harvey and clearly did not want to take Hardman's counter proposal
Harvey being loyal to Louis would've been saying no to Hardman and finding another way to become partners together, instead he accepted a deal explicitly going against what Louis wanted therefore betraying Louis, he took advantage of an opportunity Hardman presented to be promoted by himself so Louis did the same, there's literally no difference outside of external ethics about aiding opposing council which isn't relevant to the dynamic between Louis, Harvey, and Hardman
I always Wonder the genesis of Lewis's capacity of Understanding. 😄
Louis* and if you did watch the series you'd know that Louis is the victim.
Harvey betrayed his friend or at least let him believe that they were friends when he actually never was interested in him. Harvey wanted success, even if it meant betraying his friends/leaving them behind.
Louis smashes the case and then wants a hug for helping fix what he himself created. 😂
Harvey was wrong in the first place should have stuck with the deal with louis.
While I understand Louis’s position and mindset, I think Harvey was mostly in the right. What Louis did proved that he didn’t have loyalty in the end. Yes Harvey did break his loyalty first after Hardman said that only one of them would get partnership but he did say that he would have been fine if either of them landed Mckernan Moters fairly. It would be a different world if Louis and Harvey had worked together to land MM and went to Hardman again or if Louis had told Harvey what Hardman was doing before he sabotaged the trial. It really would be different if Harvey and Louis were a team throughout the entirety of the show.
This show legit got by on plot armour 😢😂
Edit: still love it though😂😂
Let's make a "The genesis of the Mike-Trevor rivalry"
they had no rivalry, they were great friends but trevors involvement in crime ruined that
@@maxgee22 They have rivalry because of Jenny and Trevor is jealous of him
@@maxgee22 actually it was because Mike stole his girl
@@Jazzman2476 That's Trevors own fault. He decided that drug dealing was more important than his relationship. That's why Jenny left him for Mike.
Selling your friend interest is not gonna help you in the future. People always do that and want to be respected, but respect is earn not just a giveaway like parking tickets.
Hardman is manipulative while Harvey is loyal ❤
Sorry folks, but I agree with Harvey on this one.....and Daniel is the devil . Poor Louis sold his self respect to him.
Quite. Harvey arguably stabbed a fellow lawyer in office politics.
Louis stabbed a client of the firm in the back in court.
This was a cute 😍 reunion between Louis and Harvey.
I miss this show 😭😭
1:18- Was it really donna. Did I miss it in the series 😱🙄
I keep watching clips from this show trying to catch a single line that a real humang being might actually say
Louis played Hardman and Harvey from start. They didn't see it coming AND don't realize it just happened.
What episode was this
Season 04, Episode 13, Fork in the Road,
Is this a webisode? Never seen this
Flashback 4x13
What’s the soundtrack at 8:55? My fav ost
There is no world in which Louis would have a job at that firm.
I find Harvey hypocritical, he's all "I can do this" yada yada but the moment he has to have Louis go first, its not okay?
Harvey was willing to engage in Hardman's game of "Who can land McKernan". That was competition between 2 lawyers internally within the firm.
What Louis did then was to sabotage a client's case in court.
That's not even in the same park, let alone the same ball game.
Which episode is this
Season 04, Episode 13, Fork in the Road,
Louis played Harvey the same way Harvey played Louis, that's pure Karma. Had Harvey took a minute to talk to Louis privately about competing for the junior partner position and got him to agree (instead of jumping ships the moment he had the opportunity and without thinking twice), none of this would have happened - only has himself to blame.
Harvey became a Lawyer because he had a passion for it, while Louis's Daddy made him!
Louis has the most billable hours. He arguably the best lawyer there
Harvey became a lawyer not by passion, but by ambition. He himself said "to bend people to my will." to Forstman when asked about his motivation.
Louis was the best lawyer from Harvard Law.
Harvey preaching about loyalty and he was not loyal to Louis in the first place. Loyalty should encompass everything not just business side
3:00 anyone realise he said louis hardman
Louis didn't stand a chance, and Daniel Hardman is a nasty snake in the grass.
Is that the actress that plays Kat Stark?
Where?
Where was Jessica in this sequence?
This dude looks like Dr. Oz
Similarly abled and cut throat competitors can never be friends!
if harvey can bring in clients by himself, why doesn't he set up his own firm? He doesn't need anyone's help, so why is he playing second fiddle to any partner?
5:25
i feel bad for louis…
Hardman just has the voice & face to want to backhand
Louis wouldn't last long around me........ I'd be forced to dot his eyes and cross his teeth.
Funny how everything that Harvey said to Louis is all lie 😂
♥
I genuinely felt sorry for Louis until I saw what he was: a disloyal rat.
Harvey betrayed Louis
Doctor Oz
what? :D
Harvey could have became partner if he just dropped McKernon and let Fletcher Engines sign with the firm. That would have brought in triple money to the firm since Fletcher was 3 times the size of McKernon. Harvey was never able to see the bigger picture. Like Hardman said, Harvey was an arrogant little boy who would much rather win than get in line.
Having no loyalty isn't "seeing the bigger picture"
Anthrax
Louis was right
Always a rat
Its just the tide that changes the direction
i like rats
First
last
Harvey is a narcissist lol
I would never trust Louis TBH…While Harvey is who he is atleast he’d tell you to your face for the most part. Louis will never get respect. He’s just not partner material IMO.
Harvey went behind Louis's back to sign with M. Motors
@@OiVinn-eq1ml no he didn't, he did it right infront if his face
Lois is a type guy if you treat him with true kind, all heart, love, he will give back you 10 times.
But once he smells a betrayal, backstab from you, you will get 1000 pain
Harvey was wrong here ..... PERIODD!!!