The open gangways allow subway riders to walk freely between cars, a far cry from older cars separated by sliding doors. CBS New York's Elijah Westbrook reports.
@@teasy2518 our new Stadler built trains aren't even off the production line in Utah yet; first prototype won't be here for testing until late 2024/early 2025 at the earliest. So they're right, first on the mainland. HART in Hawaii has open gangway cars I believe.
You can tell Hochul has never taken the subway before. She said "you see someone more interesting to talk to, you move somewhere else", she thinks people are having a cocktail experience in the subway while commuting. These people are so out of touch.
I agree that Hochul is out of touch, but I think that was some rhetoric on her part. She obviously knows that people are not going to be social on the train. Rather, she wants to draw your attention to how easy it is to move around now. She can't say out loud "if there is a threatening person you can move away" so she says this other scenario which still illustrates the same idea.
They are the first of this type for the New York City Subway System. (Toronto Ca has had open gangway cars on line one of there Subway System for a few years.) Also the open gangway cars might cut down on subway surfers since there is no opening in between the cars .
Good: More space to side and stand, more riders can get on, you have more options to walk away from people you want to avoid, wider doors make it easier for crowds to get in and out, harder for subway surfers to climb on top of the trains (they usually wait in between cars and as they pass through the outside or open top area, they climb up. They can’t do that now unless it’s at the station which is harder then it sounds because if the conductor sees them climb, they won’t move the train) Bad: Open train means you’ll see a lot more beggers since they can walk through the whole train easier, same for those ppl selling candy, bad smells can now spread through out the train instead of it being isolated in one car, that soft material between cars is going to get ruined or cut up the first day in NYC so rain and god knows what can get through making it uncomfortable to be in the car, what happens in one car will certainly affect Everyone on board, a fight breaks out etc.
Check out the BMT D types of 1927, 1928 that ran from Brooklyn to Manhattan several decades ago which ended in 1965. They were the first but built differently. 😊
@@MemoirsofaBasketcase I should know since I am a New Yorker who grew up in NYC during the Mad Men era of the 1960s and I rode on some of those historic subway trains with my late parents and my little brother.
@@Kinsanity oh that's just sick.. so now riders have to suffer from the stink odors of homeless people and also the smells of different peoples urine.. nice 🫠🫠
But aren’t New Yorkers complaining that the trains are outdated and should be like every railway system? All railways systems feature open gangways which the MTA did and now everyone wants to complain that homeless can move through the cars
So now the smells will be througout the entire train. When there is a fight , or shooting or stabbing its more open now so we are all at more risk from getting hurt. These people that come up with these ideas dont take the train in NYC. Especially in the after hours 😩 rush hour
Not having open-gangways has not stopped people from using the doors on the ends to go between subway cars. I've seen that in many U.S. cities (not just New York). It might not be safe, but if we lose a few passengers, it's Darwinism at work. Anyway, it's far from the first in North America. San Francisco and other cities have them. In Los Angeles, the new cars that are being tested are also that way.
I was amazed how much more space on the C line yesterday I had the pleasure to experience the train ride on my way to work.. I hope they built all the trains like this … the ppl would approve
I remember commuting from B’klyn to midtown in the ‘70s, seeing desperate passengers dangerously riding in the couplings between cars, when the train was packed to capacity.
They're not the first of their kind in North America. Toronto's TTC has had them for years now. We have finally caught up with current times. A much welcome feature!
I like it. I have sometimes wanted to go into another car but too scared to open doors because knowing how awkward I am I could fall between cars but this cool. I may have to take a ride on the C line.
How is it that there is more seating when now the seating near the end of each car is now gone? Personally I still prefer the seating on the D/F line that are clearly show how many people for each seat it can be. Too ofter on these wide benches it is less seating because many people spread out or esp during the winter with coats you may not want to squeeze in. And also if there is any attach or person they can just through the entire gangway now and either smell or shootuo or other and there is no escape. At least with the separate cars you can leave a train and get off to go to another car. But it is already done and paid for so eventually will see on all train line guess still enjoy the D/F lines as is for now.
I prefer the seating on the D train too. Not sure about the F train because the cars on the F and D are now different. However, I do notice that the F train has wider doors and the wider seating is more comfortable for fat people. The seatings on the D train is not big enough for the majority of New Yorkers who happen to be fat.
This was actually cleared up by the MTA President during a press conference last week that the internal memo was specifically so that as the R211T's roll out, they prefer to run them on Local Services for now but are completely capable of running express
I was like, "So?" then the lady said, "if you want to have a different experience" you can find a different car. That makes sense. Obviously, I've never been an a subway.
I am a new yorker and the issue with this open gangway feature is the type of people that ride the train. There are homeless people and mentally ill people on the train and we will feel like there's no escape. I'm not a fan of this. Maybe they should regulate the problem of any and everyone having access to the train!
The first of its kind in North America or the first of its kind in the United States because it is already in Panama, Dominican Republic, Mexico and Canada.
I love how Kathy hochul thinks it’s ok to just go talk to whoever you want on a subway car in NYC 😂 I wouldn’t want to find out who’s a nutcase and who’s not
What good is a camera if someone is threatening someone on the train or stab or shoot. Your better putting funds by adding 4 officers on each car of each train . I see they putting aAllied security guards blocking the doors in the subway stations. What good are they. They do nothing . They dont help. That money there spending should be spent on the broken machines that dont work or just give it to the riders. Reduce fares instead of it raising
The real question is: why the hell did it take them so long to start with these. Another note: They supposedly aren't able to operate on express tracks, only local.
Now, every car will be a stink car, and the homeless will urinate anywhere. The crooks will also have a clear line of sight. Take care of the crime and homeless issues first and then implement this.
Great for subway performers, not so good if you have to take a pee. I have seen people go outside between cars to take a pee. I hope people can adjust to that.
I was on this A train today and I didn't even notice it. Looks the same to me got to open the door in order to go to the next train car. Maybe I missed it
These trains cant fit in the 1 line because they are too big. they can only go on the letter lines But the MTA is getting a smaller version of these trains for the letter lines
Hmm Average NYC CiTZEN 🍎 isn't Convinced CiTY Official's And Transit System is providing theses NEW Trains As a option of comfort MAYBE another fare increase and MORE Room for Criminals to operate YIKES 😳
Hey Chris when the Governor rode the new train of the future did you report if the homeless and vagrants were around of course not after all they were swept under the rug I mean the concrete so while the future is relevant reality Is happening right now
@@frrrfrrr9177 I preferred separate cars too. If there is a troublemaker on your car, before it was easy enough to leave at the next station. This way you'll have problems roaming up and down the whole train.
@@sebastianjoseph2828 yeah but if something is happening then you can get up and walk away now, you don’t have to sit for 3 minutes before you can exit to another car, also with the open areas you can go towards the conductor car and driver and report it if something is happening, also with the open areas, it feels more safer because the conductor which is in the middle car normally has a cleaner line of sight and can see what’s happening all through the cars not just the one they are in.
First of their kind in north america.
Hawaii, Montreal, Vancouver, toronto.
"Are we a joke to you?"
Also adding Atlanta's MARTA which started upgrads to open-gagways last year - so the MTA is not even the first in the continental US...
@@teasy2518 our new Stadler built trains aren't even off the production line in Utah yet; first prototype won't be here for testing until late 2024/early 2025 at the earliest. So they're right, first on the mainland. HART in Hawaii has open gangway cars I believe.
@@teasy2518 First compared to Atlanta, take to long to implement anything in Atlanta Georgia, ridiculous.
I like how they gloss over that and that this has been the norm across the rest of the world for decades now
@FalconsEye58094 Exactly
You can tell Hochul has never taken the subway before. She said "you see someone more interesting to talk to, you move somewhere else", she thinks people are having a cocktail experience in the subway while commuting. These people are so out of touch.
I agree that Hochul is out of touch, but I think that was some rhetoric on her part. She obviously knows that people are not going to be social on the train. Rather, she wants to draw your attention to how easy it is to move around now. She can't say out loud "if there is a threatening person you can move away" so she says this other scenario which still illustrates the same idea.
@@JohnR-wf2hh we need cops and more $ for shelters for homeless ,not these open gang ways 😎
Bruh the news reporter was making a joke stop being so serious 🙄
😄😆😂🤣😅😅🤣😂😆😄 !×2,024!
😂😂
These are actually good because they can make you escape to other cars very easily. Although it is now harder to run away from someone, lol.
😂😂😂 I like how people are thinking of different scenarios that can now happen because of these new trains.
@@Damian.99NYers have seen it all 😂
@@shreddersaurusrex323 😂😂
Better hope they not shooting on The train .
The name is so fitting; open gangway, where you can't run from gangs into a different car
It's not the first of its kind in "North America". Canada (Toronto) has open gangway subway cars already.
Yep for many years at that Montreal too
Mexico Dominican Republic Panama too
They should make all subways cars like that for all subway lines
Yes, so if one dipshit decides to smoke in one car, we can smell in all of the others.
@@meli4157cozywhy
@@meli4157cozybecause the plastic rubber will rip off
Bruh you tripping the freaking london underground and MRT literally are the same and run express services so your tripping 😂@meli4157cozy
@@gtavstepfordcounty1733
The NYC Subway has much sharper curves than the Tube or the MRT. You don't know what you're talking about.
Los Angeles Metro's two subway lines are getting new open gangway trains too this year for the first time.
Let's see how quickly they get pulled out of service 😂😂😂
Why? Did Boeing make it? 😂😂😂
We'll find out when the time comes.
They fixed the R211A issues relatively quickly tho. Then again these are the open gangway models.
@@intheshell35ify Some asshole is going to do something to the accordian bits.
@@intheshell35ifynah kawasaki made these trains
These types of trains have been on line 2 of the CDMX subway for more than ten years, perhaps they are the first of their kind in New York
They are. We haven't seen trains like these ever since the last of the BMT-era trains were retired in 1965.
They are the first of this type for the New York City Subway System. (Toronto Ca has had open gangway cars on line one of there Subway System for a few years.)
Also the open gangway cars might cut down on subway surfers since there is no opening in between the cars .
Toronto has had these for decades
@@Fabian55268Yeah. Toronto and Mexico City had them first. These are the first in the United States.
Not a good idea since the subways surfers are going to rollerblade or 🛴🛵 between them as ride between a high?
That's wild. I've never been on a train that didn't have open gangways. I didn't even know there were trains without them.
Good: More space to side and stand, more riders can get on, you have more options to walk away from people you want to avoid, wider doors make it easier for crowds to get in and out, harder for subway surfers to climb on top of the trains (they usually wait in between cars and as they pass through the outside or open top area, they climb up. They can’t do that now unless it’s at the station which is harder then it sounds because if the conductor sees them climb, they won’t move the train)
Bad: Open train means you’ll see a lot more beggers since they can walk through the whole train easier, same for those ppl selling candy, bad smells can now spread through out the train instead of it being isolated in one car, that soft material between cars is going to get ruined or cut up the first day in NYC so rain and god knows what can get through making it uncomfortable to be in the car, what happens in one car will certainly affect Everyone on board, a fight breaks out etc.
Ok now lets install platform screen doors. Atleast the half height ones
YES YES YES OMG
That's a great idea. Hawaii installed then on their new skytrain. I would like LA Metro to do that too.
not on B Division because old rolling stock (R46, R68) is longer than new rolling stock (R178, R160, R211)
@isaacyen9903 Some japanese half platforms screen doors use cables that stretch far, so door placement wouldn't matter as much
Didn't I hear they started doing that at Clark Street in Bklyn
In Santiago de Chile we have that kind of trains since 25 years ago
I like how they highlight “first of their kind in North America” this sort of thing has existed in the rest of the world for decades
Check out the BMT D types of 1927, 1928 that ran from Brooklyn to Manhattan several decades ago which ended in 1965. They were the first but built differently. 😊
Love someone that knows their transit history.
@@MemoirsofaBasketcase I should know since I am a New Yorker who grew up in NYC during the Mad Men era of the 1960s and I rode on some of those historic subway trains with my late parents and my little brother.
So little seats my gosh
A long wait is over. Great to see these running on the C and hope they are modified to be able to run on the express tracks!
It has a dope vibe of those busses yrs ago in NYC :D
They removed the pee spots from the trains. Lol I mostly see people use those doors that separate the cars to urinate. Lol
Those were the days...... Boy the way Glen Miller played.....
fyi the pee spot is actually inside the train now if you havent been lucky witnessed one yet 😉
@@Kinsanity oh that's just sick.. so now riders have to suffer from the stink odors of homeless people and also the smells of different peoples urine.. nice 🫠🫠
Life will uh uh find a way.
There aren't the first open gangway cars in North America. Toronto, Montreal, and Mexico City all have open gangway subway cars.
The MTA just got the homeless new apartments. What a waste of New York City money! The new train always needs to be fixed.
But aren’t New Yorkers complaining that the trains are outdated and should be like every railway system? All railways systems feature open gangways which the MTA did and now everyone wants to complain that homeless can move through the cars
@@clydepk3067 THANK YOU
@@clydepk3067exactly they cant stop complaining over things they dont know
I was in Toronto, Ontario, last year, and these trains remind me of those exact types out there where only 4 subway lines exist.
Incorrect. Toronto and montreal have been using these open gangway trains for quite some time.
Wow, the MTA finally is doing what the European subway passengers train operating systems have done for years……🎉 A little slow but I’ll take.
It’s hard to do it on the insane turnings on some of NYC’s lines so it took a while. But really they should’ve transitioned when the underground did.
London Underground doesn’t have this yet on the deep tube lines. But it’s coming on the new Picadilly line trains
So now the smells will be througout the entire train. When there is a fight , or shooting or stabbing its more open now so we are all at more risk from getting hurt. These people that come up with these ideas dont take the train in NYC. Especially in the after hours 😩 rush hour
Not having open-gangways has not stopped people from using the doors on the ends to go between subway cars. I've seen that in many U.S. cities (not just New York). It might not be safe, but if we lose a few passengers, it's Darwinism at work. Anyway, it's far from the first in North America. San Francisco and other cities have them. In Los Angeles, the new cars that are being tested are also that way.
If you're feeling claustrophobic, get up walk around, talk to someone....Governor Hochul never truly lived in NYC.
shes from Buffalo, NY. She aint a true New Yorker
@@jackchen7003not sure if being sarcastic.
@@jackchen7003Correct. A true New Yorker is someone born and raised in New York City not upstate NY.
I was amazed how much more space on the C line yesterday I had the pleasure to experience the train ride on my way to work.. I hope they built all the trains like this … the ppl would approve
I remember commuting from B’klyn to midtown in the ‘70s, seeing desperate passengers dangerously riding in the couplings between cars, when the train was packed to capacity.
I got to ride and record this yesterday. It is very fun to ride, seeing its the first of its kind.
No it isn’t
@@AV1AT1XN what?
@@star80doessdastuff it’s not the first of its kind
It's about time 😊 ... there gonna do the other lines soon
Omg I have been waiting for this forever 😅 Lol I gotta go get footage one day :)
now the whole train can enjoy the smell.
I was just thinking that 😂
Usually i transfer cable when someone smokes or with unbearable stink; now it's useless 🤬
They're not the first of their kind in North America. Toronto's TTC has had them for years now. We have finally caught up with current times. A much welcome feature!
Montreal too
now the bums can stink out 2 cars from the price of one. plus now there is no place for them to piss anymore.
Great, now you can smell Car #1 from Car #3 😂😂😂
Nope, the smell will just be less noticeable after that
I like it. I have sometimes wanted to go into another car but too scared to open doors because knowing how awkward I am I could fall between cars but this cool. I may have to take a ride on the C line.
How is it that there is more seating when now the seating near the end of each car is now gone? Personally I still prefer the seating on the D/F line that are clearly show how many people for each seat it can be. Too ofter on these wide benches it is less seating because many people spread out or esp during the winter with coats you may not want to squeeze in. And also if there is any attach or person they can just through the entire gangway now and either smell or shootuo or other and there is no escape. At least with the separate cars you can leave a train and get off to go to another car. But it is already done and paid for so eventually will see on all train line guess still enjoy the D/F lines as is for now.
I prefer the seating on the D train too. Not sure about the F train because the cars on the F and D are now different. However, I do notice that the F train has wider doors and the wider seating is more comfortable for fat people. The seatings on the D train is not big enough for the majority of New Yorkers who happen to be fat.
MTA needs to lower the cost of travel
So when inconsiderate people are smoking on the train. How do we escape the smell?
Seems to me they need more to hold onto for people standing in the center of the cars. I was always stuck in the middle with nothing to balance with.
Toronto has had open gangway trains for years
Mexico City and Toronto have had these for over a decade. Do your research.
It was only two weeks ago the MTA learned they can’t run express! 🤦
Only on the A train in two sections.
This was actually cleared up by the MTA President during a press conference last week that the internal memo was specifically so that as the R211T's roll out, they prefer to run them on Local Services for now but are completely capable of running express
It can, but they choose not too for now.
Show time kids about to have a blast.
Crime and bums are at an all time high how is this helpful at all. It makes it easier for criminals.
I was like, "So?" then the lady said, "if you want to have a different experience" you can find a different car. That makes sense. Obviously, I've never been an a subway.
They are in service on the C Line
Next add police on them
Very nice ❤
Great, now I can smell the bum at the front of the train all the way in the back.
Yup. Every day. Every commute.
do you not realize that theres 2 sets of trains in one consist
What new jersey doing... Seem like their behind time for sure
I have this type of train in a game lol
I am a new yorker and the issue with this open gangway feature is the type of people that ride the train. There are homeless people and mentally ill people on the train and we will feel like there's no escape. I'm not a fan of this. Maybe they should regulate the problem of any and everyone having access to the train!
Only in North America is news about new subway cars met with “yeah but what about the bums and criminals”
Umm… this is still many years behind other countries…
Once they up and running it surely will be a gateway for the gangs and the great gangway of crimes and homeless smell throughout all the cars
It’s unfortunate that people who make these type of decisions, never ride the subways, except for publicity😡
Not the first in North America, Toronto has had these style for years now.
Judging by the comments, open gangway subway cars don't belong in New York City and they should go away.
Well duh 🙄
First of their kind in North American is not entirely accurate they have open gangway cars in Toronto
That Governor has no ideas that NYC use to have open gangway cars back in the 1920s called the Triplex D type and retired around the 1960s.
Cant wait to finally experience moving from cart to cart !
They don’t think bout the k2 smokers all they did was make it more comfortable for the homeless smh
Toronto has had them for years...
Everyone can say goodbye to using the bathroom in between the cars.
The first of its kind in North America or the first of its kind in the United States because it is already in Panama, Dominican Republic, Mexico and Canada.
Looks nice
They need to focus on safety on subways..not this. All the mentally ill are going to have a field's day smh
"They are the first of their kind in North America" .... incorrect, the Montreal metro system also operates open gangway cars.
I love how Kathy hochul thinks it’s ok to just go talk to whoever you want on a subway car in NYC 😂 I wouldn’t want to find out who’s a nutcase and who’s not
How many people they give tickets because they Cross from car to car.
Should they get a refund or a clean report.
As much as I know there are countless other countries metros that have open gangways in decades, glad MTA is catching up
What good is a camera if someone is threatening someone on the train or stab or shoot. Your better putting funds by adding 4 officers on each car of each train . I see they putting aAllied security guards blocking the doors in the subway stations. What good are they. They do nothing . They dont help. That money there spending should be spent on the broken machines that dont work or just give it to the riders. Reduce fares instead of it raising
The real question is: why the hell did it take them so long to start with these. Another note: They supposedly aren't able to operate on express tracks, only local.
We don’t care about your special features, we care about SAFETY from CRIMINALS!!!!! Pls keep us alive and unharmed!!!!!!
WHAT!?
Wait, they have the R211's on the C line?!
Well as of now yes.
R211T. The A has the 211As similar to the R160, and 179.
NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How will i run away from the homeless man/woman in the car
BIGGER LEDS NICE!
LIKE 900 WATT
MORE APPTS TO THE EYE DR COMING SOON
So very similar to a light rail vehicle.
Now, every car will be a stink car, and the homeless will urinate anywhere. The crooks will also have a clear line of sight. Take care of the crime and homeless issues first and then implement this.
"First of its kind "Blatant lies, if you dont know any better you believe it 🤷
The B, D and Q services sure need to upgrade their subway cars to R211A as well 💯
The B and D are very likely to get R211's for 6th Avenue CBTC.
The Q isn't getting upgraded anytime soon.
Great for subway performers, not so good if you have to take a pee. I have seen people go outside between cars to take a pee. I hope people can adjust to that.
But of course MTA dropped the ball again since they can’t operate on express tracks.
This is beautiful. Panhandling and bum smells would be accessible to everybody on the whole train.
lmao London has had these trains since 2010
R trains may get those, but the C line MUST be extended.
Not a good idea crazy violent people can chase and follow you through the whole train.
theres 2 sections in 1 train
@@lopwr1212 Just like your butt.
I was on this A train today and I didn't even notice it. Looks the same to me got to open the door in order to go to the next train car. Maybe I missed it
Did you watch the video? It clearly says it's for one train on the C line and it is not available on the A.
Now we get to hear the crackheads from several cars away :(
These trains need to be on the 1 line and go express.
These trains cant fit in the 1 line because they are too big. they can only go on the letter lines
But the MTA is getting a smaller version of these trains for the letter lines
@@MystiC71038 You mean they are trying to get smaller open-gangway trains for the number lines right?
@@KD_SWAGGER Yes
@@MystiC71038 Hope so!
Hmm Average NYC CiTZEN 🍎 isn't Convinced CiTY Official's And Transit System is providing theses NEW Trains As a option of comfort MAYBE another fare increase and MORE Room for Criminals to operate YIKES 😳
Finally, NYC catching up to the 21st century
"if there's no issues within that timeframe..." Underestimating NYC riders, I see.
Hey Chris when the Governor rode the new train of the future did you report if the homeless and vagrants were around of course not after all they were swept under the rug I mean the concrete so while the future is relevant reality Is happening right now
Subway performers can now throw a parade?
The L train could use those subway cars also during rush hour
All of this what happen T🤔 the bathroom 🤷🏾♂️
"Gangway" - what a terrible name
I actually preferred the separate cars because you could avoid trouble makers
Yeah but, sometimes you don’t realize the trouble makers on your car until the doors are already closed
@@frrrfrrr9177 I preferred separate cars too. If there is a troublemaker on your car, before it was easy enough to leave at the next station. This way you'll have problems roaming up and down the whole train.
@@sebastianjoseph2828 yeah but if something is happening then you can get up and walk away now, you don’t have to sit for 3 minutes before you can exit to another car, also with the open areas you can go towards the conductor car and driver and report it if something is happening, also with the open areas, it feels more safer because the conductor which is in the middle car normally has a cleaner line of sight and can see what’s happening all through the cars not just the one they are in.
@@sebastianjoseph2828the problem can open a normal subway door too 🤯🤯🤯
Exactly. separate cars are also real trains, not this “gangway” nonsense