Construction on second phase of Second Avenue Subway set to begin in East Harlem
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- čas přidán 21. 01. 2024
- Transit officials say the project will extend the Q line from 96th Street all the way up to 125th Street, speeding up service. CBS New York's Natalie Duddridge reports.
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That’ll be awesome to have Q train service to East Harlem, that’ll make the 6 less crowded.
Will you even be alive in the decades it will take to complete ?
@@adamblack6867phase one started construction in 2009 and was done by 2016. Significant portions of the tunnels for phase 2 have already been constructed, so the idea of seeing it completed by 2030 seems realistic.
Um, no. It’s still gonna be crowded regardless. People are still making excuses, like the guy on the news about his bike smh!
I’m not gonna lie it would really awesome to have the 2nd avenue train go across 125th street it would cut back on a lot of time trying to get a cross a Harlem on 125th street
@@chriscampbell5538I'd love to ask these people what in the world they're talking about.
Where is their starting point and where is their destination? What in the world are they doing where walking 20 blocks makes the most sense, is their quickest option to get wherever they're going. And in bad weather!
I have real hope this will be much faster than the last phase. Part of why building transit is so expensive and takes so long in the US is we don't do it very often. The more we do, the better contractors get at building it, the price goes down, they can build it faster. Hopefully they can extend it all the way across 125th, it would be great to be able to get a crosstown train without going through midtown
idk if youve seen, but because of their experience on the first phase, the engineers saved $1bill so far on phase 2 by redesigning the plans to use existing tunnels and reducing the size of stations. they'll continue to find more ways to be better (and are actively doing so, like moving utilities ahead of time)
phase1 was built in only 10 years. really impressive and strictly speaking was not very disruptive either. ok perhaps Korea and China are building similar projects fast, but 10 years is really impressive considering NYC and the USA standards.
NYC should be proud of this project and not criticize it.
@@johnnysecularyou don’t have the same labor laws and unions in China. It would’ve been the same story if they had tried building it here
@@portcybertryx222Correct! Here in the USA, the people own the government; in China, the government owns the people.
Hopefully the whole project is complete by 2050
That's generous
😂😂😂
Nah. 2090
@@flyboy750 nah it's going to be completed in the year 4037.
you can literally see people evading paying their fare at 2:23
like holy crap does like half of everyone who use the subway avoid paying the fare?
Yep
That would be cool to have the 2nd avenue Train go across 125 st it would cut back a lot of time going crosstown in Harlem, I like that idea very much.
Outer boroughs need train coverage. Manhattan has enough.
Until you see your whole neighborhood changing to CONDOS, because that is the real plan.
@@shreddersaurusrex323not uptown though, getting across town from say Lexington to Broadway (which is very far west up at 125th street) is a long crowded bus ride.
Except for just one very serious geological problem; 125th street has a fault line running along its entire length, from under the East River to the Hudson River. Evidence of this fault line was known to the builders of the original IRT when they bridged the Manhattan Valley at 125th street, and to the builders of the Triborough Bridge; the Manhattan tower of the bridge rests on a bridge all its own, spanning the fault line.
@@user-dj7wv5ok2x tunnels have existed in California for a long time. Earthquakes don’t bother them as much as above ground infrastructure.
about 8 fare evaders pictured throughout the video
Funniest comment here lmao
i only saw six but lmao
That's actually hilarious. Once you see it you don't unsee it.
ABouT 8 FaRE eVaDErs shut up and mind your business
The MTA constantly overbuilding their projects is one of the biggest reasons why their projects always balloon in costs and delays. Cut and cover would save so much time and money, the MTA instead insists on tunnel bouring to not upset the NIMBY's. And there's no reason why a random stop needs a station this elaborate either.
Yeah keep the elaborate stations downtown and forget the people who live uptown.
These aren't "random" stops. People live there.
At that rate, well have the T in 2043.
I don't think the T will be a thing or at least the entire 2nd Ave Subway. Phase 3 is more favoring over a crosstown lines along 125th St and having it extended from Lexington Ave to Broadway (East to West).
Everybody's lifespan isn't going to make it in the year 2043.
Unless they build everything at once. Its going to be a wait
@@DBSGEEK7 I think the T may take priority, especially since NYC wants to rezone the waterfront of the east river. Cant have all those new Residential towers and force everyone to walk to the 4,5,6, which is already crowded.
the third phase and forth phase haven't received any funding and those have a much large distance. the whole project may be finished one day but not in our lifetimes. Keep in mind it has been more than 15 years since phase one started and it was just 3 stations.
Don’t let this distract from the fact that Eric Adams is paying the NYPD more money to catch fare evaders than the amount of money actually lost from fare evasion
2:25 He open the door to let them in 😂
😂
And hopped the turnstile 😂🤣😂
😂🤣😂😂🤣😂😂🤣😂 LOL
Lmao literally
2:25 showing why the MTA never has any money lol
They need to have the MTA build things itself instead of outsourcing, thats part of what makes the price go crazy
As if the MTA has a history of not wasting money.
The MTA for all practical purposes is the same as the government. Except worse. They have no oversight, answer to nobody, closed books and the ability to take your money almost any way you get around the city. And then get tax dollars on top of all that.
Private is also expensive not just for the work. But for all the pencil pushing nonsense and stupid government regulations and regulators that get paid to watch actual useful people in society do the work.
Prime example, look up the cost of installing one bathroom in San Francisco I believe it was. Then some private company said they would build it for free. Take a look at the total price tag after that.... And it never got built.
That sums up just about why everything is expensive to build in these places and who dirty rat B are that cause it to be the case.
It's cheaper to outsource it actually. Most of the MTA cost comes from internal labor dues. MTA union has probably the best wages and benefits in the US so obviously adds to the cost of any project. For example the MTA internally spent $5 billion on station renovations for 36 stations while they outsourced another 9 stations for just $100 million. The outsourced stations were fully rebuilt on time and on budget vs the internal ones
They definitely need new iRT subway lines. The 10 trains could definitely be extended to throggs neck East village and Hunts point. The 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line could definitely be brought back to life again between Gun hill road Clearmount Webster Boston road and Batincal gardens Frordam plaza and 149 street connecting to the 2 5 trains and Battery place connecting to the N R trains and the 1/9 trains. OR Queens plaza connecting to the 7 N W 11 trains. The 11 trains could definitely work with the 7 Flushing line between 14 street Hudson yards and 20 college point whitestone Queens elevated while the 7 Flushing line s being extended to Bayterrence Queens. You know the 7 Flushing line was not supposed to be the last stop at Flushing in the first place. The 7 Flushing line was supposed to be further to run with the Long Island railroad. But that will never happen in life time.
I hope my grandchildren get to ride that train
Any announcements on Phase 2B for the proposed crosstown extension along 125th across Manhattan to intersect with the 1,2,3?
They really should be building this faster, and maybe have the 2nd and 3rd phases (the one going downtown to Houston street) built at the same time.
Then the last two phases across to Broadway and 125th, and down to lower Manhattan would finish the T. But then start working on branching the service up to the Bronx and an extension down to Brooklyn (apparently it could go to Red Hook, an underserved neighborhood.)
They need a clause if it gets delayed. The contractor gotta pay city back
Big ease from the congestion on Lexington Avenue.
Better late than never I guess…
Delaying it even more will mean double digit billions. It's now or never.
That's great news. How long is the new extension?
Going to 125th street where the 4, 5, and 6 are. Additional stops at 106 and 116th streets. At 125th, there will also be a connection to Metro North at their station.
I wonder if they'll add platform screen doors, or if 10 years after they open it they'll spend another billion adding doors.
Platform screen doors aren't really feasible for the NYC Subway since different train models have doors in different places.
@@davidfrischknecht8261it is perfectly doable if the MTA so decides. You standardize on a car/train layout and order trains off of that standard going forward. Other cities have done that.
The harder part of PSDs is civil engineering in the stations, especially platform edges. Again, there are plenty other cities that already went through this process to learn from.
The biggest challenge for NY would be doing a rolling program, to give contractors a chance to keep costs down. Bang and bust cycles are the best way to get sky-rocketing prices, which NY doesn't need.
@@remicardona_polyHowever, the MTA operates two totally different sizes of passenger equipment, with differing amounts of doors per side.
@@user-dj7wv5ok2x Don't assume I don't know about the IRT/BMT/IND history and the current A and B divisions. It seems perfectly doable for the MTA to standardize on a limited number of compatible configurations (ideally, one for each division). Again, it **is** technically doable if the people in charge decide to go there.
The hardest part is the political will to plan things long term, and not just for the next fiscal cycle.
Great work.
Now get to work and do other projects too!
Another line that MTA should think about is annexing a north-south line that joins the Braodway line, at Lincoln Center, that runs along 9th Avenue, which connects Hudson Yard from north to south, Chelsea Markey, a very touristy place, and offices of Google, Hudson Street that would give a subway line to the Tribeca area also with tourist and gastronomic growth and that would reach the Chambers St station that connects 2 lines plus an interchange station
It’s insane other countries could build a city the size of New York in less time than it takes to build a few blocks of new subway.
They dont have osha
What's 10¢/hour versus $50./hour?!
@@user-dj7wv5ok2x 10 cents an hour? Which country are you referring to? Which laborers in which country gets paid that wage?
@@user-dj7wv5ok2xNo. Paris is building 200km of new metro faster than NY is building the 2.4km phase 2
@@MrMoraltvCountries like France and Sweden probably have even stricter laws than OSHA and they manage to build extensions many times longer than the 2nd Ave. subway, many times quicker than NY
Finally its about time they extended it. People can fianlly stop waiting for the bus.
Now we just need one to connect the bronx to brooklyn and queens.
The T trains might run up to Gun hill road 🛣️ Clearmount Webster Boston road Bronx. If not the T trains. Probably the 8 Thrid Ave Elevated line will definitely run back in the south Bronx Elevated Thrid Avenue in the Bronx only. Never rebuild another elevated line in Manhattan again in life time.
Chances in the Bronx brand new Thrid Avenue Elevated line one day.
Wow amazing
Let's see if this will be completed.
New Subway Train DLC In Development!!!
Great! Only almost a century overdue!
2:27 💀💀💀💀
At least there's something positive.
Whew Lolll 116th… IYKYK
Nice
The only question now is will they run out of money before they finish or not? With fewer riders and budget shortfalls annually, who knows if they will get enough money to complete it by the early 2030s?
As much as I'd like to get across 125th fast, focus in the southern part first after this section.
You can see all those people not paying their fare at the end of the video 2:26
Beautiful, hopefully Harlem will fight the real estate vultures these 10 years because that's the real plan, more CONDOS in Harlem, the european man is extremely tricky.
The comical part is that the people who are saying it’s a good idea won’t live long enough to see it completed . It’s gonna be done in 30 years.
Even if that were true, it still isn’t a good reason not to build it. Investing in the future is positive.
Should only take 25 years or so.
It'll take 10 years to be fully operational until then were walking 😭
Instead of making the westwardrd turn towards Lexington avenue, why not just continue the line into the Bronx?! After all, it'll be a helluva lot safer, as there's a very serious fault line along 125th street....
The real reasons why the Q T trains is not going to the South Bronx because one they are definitely gonna extend the Q T trains west side 125 and 137 street to connect to the 1 Broadway line. Another thing is definitely gonna happen in South Bronx Clearmount Webster Boston road Bronx the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line coming back I'm telling you. They are definitely making enough room to rebuild and restoreing the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line to fit on Gun Hill road to connect to the 2 5 trains. The Q T trains had never ran to south Bronx Clearmount Webster Boston road Bronx. Only the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line had ran on Thrid Avenue Elevated in the Bronx until 1973 .
@@leecornwell5632 You really DIDN'T answer my question....
Because they are definitely gonna extend the Q T trains running on east Harlem and west side across 125 street to connect to the 1 Broadway line. They had showed it on channel 12 news 📰 I'm not lying. There was a real serious talk on extending the Q T trains to East Harlem and west side. Go on Google and type in second Bronx terminal. When you get a chance. It's a very long article. Wait until you read it. God will give you visions. I'm telling you. Chances in the south Bronx Brand New Thrid Avenue Elevated line in the Bronx only.
The Bronx always get's the shaft in everything.
Well they might had put The Bronx into the plans if the people along 3 Ave in The Bronx in the 1970's did not call for the 3 Ave EL to be torn down. If it was still up, the connection between 2 Ave Subway in Manhattan and the 3 Ave EL in The Bronx would have been a no brainer.
😂I tell you one thing. When they finish up the second Ave subway line between Lexington Avenue across west side 125 street to connect to the 1 Broadway line for the Q T trains. I gareete you the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line will definitely come back I tell you that right now. Another thing to when they rebuild and restoreing the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line back it won't make to much noises anymore. Another thing to they definitely have the technology to rebuild the Thrid Avenue Elevated line back with out making to much noises anymore
They definitely have no choice to rebuild and restoreing back the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated. Millions and millions of people wants this 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line to come back I'm telling you. It's definitely gonna be the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line coming back I tell you that right now .
@@leecornwell5632 The 3 Ave EL should not have been torn down in the first place, especially The Bronx portion.
Exactly 💯 100 right on that. You know the real reasons why they were fusted to tair down the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line and ninth Ave Elevated lines down because of Governor LaGuardia and president Robert mosses could not stand for no extra elevated lines to be the way they are today I'm telling you. I totally disagree with the lower riderships and the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line was making to much noises . I don't believe that because one they did not take care of the Thrid Avenue Elevated line and they let that get to a rust really badly.. Those two evil dowers had made a dumest descions to take down the Thrid Avenue Elevated line down on purpose. If they wanted to tair down the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line down in south Bronx why did not tair down the 2 5 trains elevated lines down?. Like every body said. All Robert mosses had really cared about is to build the cross Bronx express highways and the one in Brooklyn and Queens. Robert mosses did not give a shit about no elevated subway lines to be up running. Like the sixth Avenue and eighth and fifth Avenue ninth and second Ave Elevated lines. All of these extra elevated lines could definitely be running fully right now alright. If you go search up on Google. I grerente you will definitely see all the extra elevated lines that they had running. Including Brooklyn culture Elevated lines in five boroughs .
The Q line should reach 125th street and turn to join the green and red lines of Madison Avenue and Malcon X blvd.
Much better that the line continue on into the Bronx.
Let the T trains replacing the furmer 8 Thrid Ave Elevated line up to Gun Hill road.
sad this isn't going to happen untill the next century..
Wow ..Dana Tyler has really gotten old
It would have been much better if the train line was elevated!
After an underground station at 125th, the line could emerge from the ground onto a bridge crossing the Harlem River, and over 3rd avenue to somehow make its way to an extension of the D train which will terminate at Co-op City.
6.9 billions for just under 3 kilometers??? Right now Paris is massively expanding its subway, mostly deep bored and in often nightmarish and unstable soil conditions for 180 to 250 million euros per kilometer... (that's including mainy fancy stations that look like architectural prize winners).
How can the same thing but in the stable rocky ground of New York be more than 10 times more costly? Are the track sleepers made of solid gold? Are the workers paid a million monthly?
Or is infrastructure building in the US the paramount of inefficiency? Nothing justifies such a cost difference!
Paris has a super dense urban fabric, the soil often turns in a marshy and damp sludge due to the presence of many aquifers, so much they frequently have to freeze the ground hard and use slow slurry pressured TBM's. When it's not a swiss cheese catacomb grave sandwiched between wet sand fields and unstable flooded gypsum layers. In most of Manhattan, it's rock. Rock that won't collapse due to water...
Plus, there's already a section of built tunnel waiting to be connected, as said in the video.
Do they burn money or what?
I've read NYU's Transit Costs Project study but even then, I still can't understand how it can be more than 10 times the cost...
This issue must be tackled and soon or infrastructure in the US will be very limited, difficult to support and quasi impossible to develop, right when it's the most needed to face the climate change emergency.
Greetings from Paris.
Haven't you thought about the fact that the ground under Paris is much easier to drill tunnels through?! New York City rests mostly on schist and granite, with only a few scattered pockets of soft ground in various locations (a point of trivia: the Manhattan tower of the Brooklyn Bridge rests on a bed of quicksand, yet to this day, has never settled unevenly!).
@@user-dj7wv5ok2x Except it isn't!
The ground under Paris is terrible. It's a Swiss cheese above a soup.
There are tons of voids, entire layers of water filled sands, brittle gypsum, unstable flooded marl, etc.
Plus, the water table is right under the surface in half of the locations.
In Paris they regularly have to freeze the ground hard, at great expense, with cold generation factories and kilometersof tubing in which thousands of tons of liquid nitrogen and saturated brine are pumped for weeks, just to avoid flooding and be able to dig a hardened ground.
It's frequent especially at the connection points where tunnels meet station boxes.
Some sites got flooded by surprise on the extensions of M12 and M14, they had to freeze the ground to salvage the building sites.
A substantial part of the TBM's used are slurry / mud pressurized, literal submarines, that's why they need so many of them : the ground is inconsistent from one interstation to another. Sometimes there are 3 or 4 completely different types of ground between 2 stations.
Some stations also need to be anchored down to avoid buoyancy and displacement. Buoyancy!
In other places, they need to fill up galleries dug centuries ago, some uncharted. In others they need to stabilize everything on a quarter mile radius.
Manhattan's bedrock is easy in comparison, it's a hard material but it allows for steady and stable digging with a lot less risks.
When you dig a gallery in granite, it stays up. Not in Paris' ground where it collapses instantly on itself.
The region is called the "Parisian bassin" for a reason, it's comparable to London's South bank (where there are very few tunnels due to the terrible ground).
One of the work sites I visited recently had to dug platform extensions parallel to the tunnel, it took months! They had to create an entire fortification with resin and cement rods all around the extensions prior to digging them. Like a crown of porcupine spikes, by the thousands, just for one platform.
On most stations' sites they used the molded diaphragm technique by digging bentonite filled trenches to be then replaced by concrete. It's the only way to counteract water pressure from the aquifers.
On shafts they also often used the equivalent of a vertical TBM as common digging machines were of no use in this environment.
Plus, let's not forget the overly stringent French tunnel safety regulations requiring a full access and exit shaft to the surface, with ventilation, water pipes and stairs, sometimes with elevators, no further than 800 meters apart. Which adds to the complexity and cost of construction.
There are more than a hundred of those shafts in the GPE project, alongside the 68 mew stations.
90% of the milage is deep bored, about 180 kilometers, I'll let you do the math on the number of shafts in between stations.
All this dug in the Paris underground "soup".
And yet, the costs are several folds less.
So no, this has nothing to do with Manhattan's ground which isn't much complicated in comparison to Paris's "soup with croutons".
If you were thinking about the limestone layer : it only covers a minority portion of the core city and has been pillaged by centuries of quarries leaving a 3D checkerboard of voids sandwiched between unstable water-filled layers.
They've done with parts of the GPE like with the Channel Tunnels : going through the least inhospitable layer available, when there's even one, quite deep.
And NYU Marron Institute's Transit Costs Project study outlined a whole lot of issues about the costs of building transit infrastructure in the US in general and New York in particular.
None had to do with the ground, this is a bad excuse.
Why doesn't NYC build trams/streetcars as well? The U.S. is so weird.
IBX will be a light rail
Trams and streetcars are garbage, that's why. They are subject to the same rules as automobile traffic and all it takes is one jackass driver or pedestrian to stop the service by screwing up. The US isn't weird, it is practical and the rest of the world is just spendy.
The people with cars will raise hell
Because there’s so many cars in NYC now and streets are so narrow it’s almost impossible.
There’s too big of a car culture in US. They’re starting to discourage drivers with congestion pricing. But there’s too much pushback. Also NYC really would benefit from an underground expansion PLUS light rail, it’s too dense of an environment
Alright everyone. Ill see you in 100 years for the opening. Dont be late
In a century, I will most certainly be "late"
Can't wait for phase three in 2070
Extending train line shouldn't just be extending in Manhattan. It should also be extended in other boroughs like coney, far rockaway where there's only 1 train that goes to those places. The further the places are the harder & long it takes to get there.
Im sure provisions for a BX route on SAS will be made during Phase 2 construction
Just a few feet north, right into the Bronx!
10 years to build phase 1. lol
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A total waste of time and money.
I cant even get a dog park built in my neighborhood and they builting more train stations.. We got more homeless people and ya worry about a train station to save 20 minutes 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Our grand kids will ride it, we’ll be in our graves
NY loves to waste money
The Chinese will have built 20 new cities by the time they finish with the lmao.
So the train will be done by 2100 50B over budget and half the island under water
They will need to put the EL back then at a quarter of the cost.
@@interstellarphredeven then it would be ridiculously expensive
Harlem looks like a third world country
That would make all the black and white hipsters happy , but when it's time to pay the train fair , they all say , W.T.F. !
Big mistake to extend the 2nd Avenue Subway north of 96th Street, unless you want higher crime, fare evasion and garbage in the system.
I.d.i.o.t.
@@egb8728 a comment most likely coming from the parasite that pays little to no taxes and is also a fair evader.
Not how it works lmao
New York city need to stop dagon subway tunnel when it rain in New York where do the water go??????.....that all new York çity think about building smh
All its for its the wealthy and hipsters.
It's for the government and the MTA to steal more money from citizens and waste it on stupid nonsense.
2nd Ave is about a 5 minute walk from Lex. 5 damn minutes to the existing line.
Pull up the subway map and look at all the places in NYC (. Not even counting Staten Island) and look at all the areas with trains further away.
Plenty of the Bronx. Hell's kitchen, Les in Manhattan. Huge chunks of Queens, Brooklyn.
Yet. These people in east Harlem according to these silly politicians NEED a new extension. There so far from the system and all the other nonsense these liars spew out of their mouths.
Pick one of the most east parts of East Harlem. The Costco by the river. Even that is less than 15 mins walking to the 6 train on lex. It's like 13. So we need to spend all this money, get robbed by "congestion" tolls so these people can have the life altering change of walking 8 minutes to the Q train instead of 13!
OMG. This is so important. This is such a crucial piece of infrastructure! What a load of BS.
Should’ve kept it as is. Once it goes into Harlem, the line will go downhill. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.
Great. We can house lots more migrants now.
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