Implementing Shops into my Farming Game!
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- Devlog video about "Home Grown", a casual farming game I'm creating using my own engine.
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#devlog #HomeGrown - Hry
There's a lot of potential for interesting game play: weather that affects your crop and crop prices, critters that eat your crops, livestock, etc. Very cool to see the game developing!
But you know how many farming games are existing!?
Java be real quirky though
You figure that out all on your own?
Would be cool if it had rpg aspects, items to equip your character with that effect your crop growing abilities or shop prices etc.
Don't forget about crop rotation because of pests and soil fatigue, birds eat your seeds, better tools (like 2x2 plowing or harvesting)...
Wonderful progress! Awesome that you have enough of a vertical slice to demo gameplay already - I think that will only serve to increase the quality of the finished product, and make the devlogs even better! Can't wait for the next one. It was good to see Rufus.
Having an actual product during "all" stages of development is actually a very good way to work and it is common in most branches of software engineering, usually known as MVP or Minimum Viable Product. Once you have the MVP you can iterate and perfect it, and at any stage you will have a "viable product". You will also "get to know" your game at an earlier stage and thus be able to steer it in the direction you want. Great work!
My favourite example for that is the game Elite Dangerous, it's not finished but it's been a polished game since it was released in 2014.
I remember reading a dev blog by Jeff Minter - who's an indie game developer that's been going since the early '80s (and, indeed, his "Llamasoft" is probably the longest-running indie developer on the planet, and one of the oldest still-surviving software developers out there) - and his thing is that the first thing he works on with any game is the player and the controls.
He tends to make shooters and goes straight to the meat of the game - the player and the controls. Because that's got to work. The player has to be able to control their avatar exactly and it must feel good. And the other trick with this approach is that he can "play" his game straight away. From the very beginning, you can pick up a controller and play the game. Admittedly, in the beginning, there's not much of a game to be played. But, still, you can "play" it immediately.
And then, following his approach, you then put the game in around the player. Now that we can move, we need an environment to move around in. Then enemies to shoot. And so on and so forth.
He starts with the player and then builds the game around it. And, indeed, the point of focusing on the player and the controls first is to make sure that the game feels good to play. Getting the controls to work perfectly is make or break for whether a game is any fun to play, so that's the first thing and the most important thing. And he actually builds the game around that.
Because he starts with that and builds around it. So, as he adds things to the environment, he can immediately make them interactive. Do these controls work? Does this feel good? Is this actually fun to play? He's focusing on those vital questions - that make or break a game - and, you know, if, as he's doing things, any of the answers is "no", then he'll keep refining it until the answer is "yes" (or if the element being introduced really just doesn't work, then dump it and don't waste any more time on it).
Of course, with your "building games" here, it's a bit harder to define what is "the player" and deal with "the controls", as it's not just moving an avatar around the screen. But you can adopt the same attitude, albeit adapted to the genre of the game.
Straight to the gameplay. Does it work? Is it fun? If not, why not? Fix the bits that aren't any good. And, indeed, if something really doesn't work, then consider just dropping it, so you're not wasting your time trying to make something that'll never work, work.
Apparently, Shigeru Miyamoto - you know, the guy who does Mario - has also always operated by a similar attitude that he makes the game up as he goes along. Sure, there's a basic idea. But they go straight to implementing that gameplay idea. Does it work? Is it fun? And once the answer is "yes", then he fills out all the fine details and turns it into a playable game.
One way to look at it is that, at first, you just build a "prototype". Absolutely nothing about it is final. All you're doing is creating the most basic gameplay to find out if your game idea works and is fun to play. Like, sprites can just be blocks or rectangles. Zero sound. The most minimal "prototype" just to immediately get to the basic gameplay loop. So you can know, before you properly start coding it, that your game is actually worth bothering with. That it's fun.
Then you can take that prototype and build it out into a complete game. And the cool thing is that, all the way through, it's playable. Indeed, if you're bored or need a rest, then stop coding the game and just play it.
@@jbritain Thats not what MVP is about at all. Polishing a game before it's finished is classic mistake and recipe for never finishing (ie implementing the originally planned features) the game. Then again that does describe Elite Dangerous pretty well.
@@klaxoncow thanks for writing this out. I saved it in a google doc to look at every time im working on my game. Eventually i will start a channel like thin matrix as well.
Problem is that most of the times the MVP is already a huge ass project that takes forever and gets features added all the time 😂
Great video! I don't think I have commented on your channel before but I have seen every video you have released over the past 5 years or so. I just wanted to say thank you for being an inspiration for me and my channel. I don't think I realized how large of an impact you have had on my life until now but I just wanted to say thank you.
Thanks for the lovely comment! ^^
@@ThinMatrix I second that! Always lurked never said a thing. Learned a lot from you and want to say don't stop!
yeah ive seen you on the comment section before
For the beehive, maybe it starts without honey oozing out the sides, then when full, you can harvest the honey to sell in the shop. 🙂
or use it for something else (i don't know if it's like that in real life but using it for boosting growth and selling prices maybe?)
@@ToufouMaster The other way around - like selling honey with herbs :-)
Man I love your devlogs so much. I think it was a good idea to drop the citybuilder for this one. It´s far less complex and realistic to finish in a reasonable time.
I worked on a farm/garden, there's a lot of research you can do easily to add quick depth to the game, without gaining too much complexity:
One thing I can think of that is problematic is watering, when you farm in a home/diy manner, the most valuable resource you have is time, and watering takes a lot of that (also weeding out the garden), there's a hierarchy to be sure. Watering with buckets or gardening cans is awful, takes a lot of time, since you can water about one or two small plots at a time (so let's say about 10 plants max), it also tires you awfully, since water is heavy. You can't support anything more than a really small garden with buckets.
Next most obvious improvement is a hose, it's still slow, but at least you don't have to carry water around! Most people stay with the hose for a long time.
After that you can do piping, you use plastic tubes with holes on them and lay them around your garden, all connected to your tap so that you open up the faucet and it waters all of your crops at the same time, getting this prepared is sort of hard but you end up with almost automatic watering.
There's also sprinklers and hose sprinklers but those are only really useful for grass.
And then finally there is hydroponics...
😉
@@landsgevaer The easy electronics project for highschoolers and technician students by excelence lol
The paving got me the idea of having something like an in game "beautiful garden" competition. Where some metric decides a score for the garden, and the winner wins a price, like rare seeds, etc.
And a thought on the buying interface: In the panel with the items that are available, what if the bottom half had a section that showed your current inventory of those same items. Then when you click "buy", the icon for the shop item could animate downward to "merge" with your copy (or animates down and fades out or something), while the number on yours updates to your new inventory amount. That would be pretty intuitive and obvious visual feedback.
I think it's really important that the shop shows you how many of something you already own. That would help give the user more feedback and let them decide how many to buy and when to stop buying.
Looks awesome! I realize this is a dev build, however unless you specifically mentioned the tools needed to start, I wouldn't have known to get them. Down the road it might be helpful to add a set of "getting started" tasks and checklists to complete said tasks. For example: Buy tools: then tasks to get the tools you bought in the demo
I also wouldn’t have known what tools to get, I thought maybe you could get given a set by someone in the village etc. but I like the idea of a getting started checklist more.
This type of video is what I want to watch for over and over
I only just came across your channel but I wanted to say that I love the style of your videos as well as the art style of the game. It has a very calm and laid back, peaceful vibe, and I think the two compliment each other well. Keep up the good work :)
Thank you!
Great progress ! Beehive can have a "range" in which it will accelerate plant growth. Maybe range can be extended over time as bee family will grow or maybe by a some sort of upgrade mechanism. Player should have possibility to buy more real estate like in cities skylines. One again great job. Can't wait to see next update video.
Instead of being able to instantly sell the crops, you could add a little guy at the house. When you click on a crop with your sheers, the little guy walks over to the crops and harvests them, creating a use for the path. Once the little guy is done harvesting the things you’ve clicked on with the sheers. The little guy will walk back to the house and wait until you are ready to harvest more crops. Just thought this was a neat little idea that would make the game more immersive.
Really nice additions, btw one nice small detail would be somehow showing how much the player would earn or spend when buying or selling a bunch of items at once
It blows me away how polished you make a new feature look when you add it. Keep it up it looks awesome!
Already looks so chill, can't wait to play this
You're the only CZcamsr I have notifications turned on for and I drop everything when I see you pop up! Thanks for all the inspiration the last couple of years and so excited to see how the farming game progresses!
I find it really fascinating how polished your games end up feeling given the extra overhead of managing your own game engine
Adding a little arrow/caret icon to your preview model that points in the object's forward/facing direction would be a nice touch. Watching your videos is always a special treat, Thin. I appreciate the effort you put in to your videography. Cheers. 👍
Maybe add a basket to you Shop to visualize what products the user currently has, and then checkout all at once? I think that would be great
something that i could see as useful is having an indicator next to the shop item that you are currently selected on (to buy), telling the player how much of that item they currently have!
This looks incredibly relaxing to play. Looking forward to seeing more of this.
On that note, and as someone fascinated by Aquaponics, I think farming fish in a pond with a filter that also produces fertilizer (either as an item or a flat growth speed bonus) would be quite interesting. A chicken coup could also function similarly, plus eggs.
Game idea: You could give tools a "wear" value. Meaning that tool will break down over time until they are unusable, then you'd have to re-buy them. You could have different tiers of tools, more expensive but chops faster less likely to break etc. But otherwise very nice, looking forward to seeing more :)
Some sort of water mechanics to keep the soil wet is a pretty cool thing to add, and maybe some greenhouses for more sensitive plants that will give you more money. And the bee-hive, it would be good to speed up plant growth because of faster pollination!
This game is looking amazing. I already imagine some dynamic involving some ants, bees and other Insects that may help the grouth of the plants or destroy them. Some itens that prevent ants may prevent bees, the gameplay looks very satisfying.
Such great progress on such a great project! Feature idea that you probably already had on your own: Starting with a small garden and buying expansions over time sounds like it would be a lot of fun!
You should add the money to the smoother class so it moves nicely when changed.
It would be pretty cool to have some homes and streets around the shops in the background, with cars running around and people going along with their lives. Your old code would be perfect to add some interesting scenery!
I’d suggest considering a story concept to intrigue players more. Also perhaps have player start with smaller farm and buy more farming space. Have certain crops require certain conditions like space, weather, what can be next to them similar to Equilinox. Keep up the great work!
Nice to see you back on form ;) hope you're doing well can't wait to see going forward how the game shapes up
Really nice to see this project taking shape, and to see the progress you are making. I applaud your "breadth first" approach. I also support your choice to go a tad deeper with placement rotation and easing of that rotation. It's polish, but it's a key bit of polish, judiciously applied, and it clearly did not derail you.
Like many others here, I'm excited to see how this develops and unfolds!
I'm hype for it! This simulator is looking great and your interest in this game shows in how much design and creativity is flowing from you♡ wonderful update as always
It's really cool that you already have a basic gameplay loop down!
I audibly gasp with excitement whenever I get notifications for new ThinMatrix videos :)
Nice art style. Zoomed out reminds me of OSRS. I like the large pixels of the grass/ground too. The rotation smoothing of the building is such a nice bit of polish too, it fits the game feel of a farming/building game. Great progress man, keep up the good work.
It would be really cool if you had an actual farmer (owner of the farm), who works on every action you make into the game on demand, and he has to actually move throughout the farm to do the required actions, and by placing paving slabs the farmer can move faster and more efficiently through the farm, a little complex idea for the actual stage of the game, but the devlogs been lovely so far♥♥
Really excited about this project Thin❤
Home Grown - considering you're using your own engine that's such a perfect name.
Amazing work! - Being able to have a small little...prototype/demo must be so satisfying for you honestly, it's something you could actively share with people, and have people enjoy! Can't wait to see where you take it, it feels super relaxing already!
I really love watching your devlogs man like im a programmer to but dood when I watch your videos I just wish I could be as peaceful as you are. Makes my morning everytime i sit down and open my IDE and chrome. Keep doing what you doing :)
Love the progress. As for selling/buying, I'd *always* sell/buy with the inventory open. Like most RPGs, when you're buying/selling you see your inventory alongside.
The idea and progress of the game is really good!
I love the concept and the features that are coming little by little!
I imagine fruit trees are a future addition, and I think beehives are a really good idea!
There could be transformation of products, for example jam, sweets with honey and fruits, which will bring a much longer gameplay, and of course quests!
Good development and congratulations again for this decision!
nothing better than a thinmatrix video
like actually nothing beats them
Love the new project so far. Great job creating a proper scope so you can have a playable version this early into development. Excited to see this project as it progresses.
Thanks!
Can't wait to see some multi tile selecting / placing, similar to what you worked on with the streets!
Great work! Having the crops go bad if it is not harvested in time could be a nice addition, imo.
Nice job!! Love this new farming game - Currently digging out a real garden in our backyard so this is really relatable :P Love all the progress so far, the UI is looking great! Keep it up!
Great progress, looking forward to giving this a go at some point!
Might be interesting to have a little farmer dude NPC that can walk around the farm once you've put path/slabs down
dude it's so great to see you so excited for your project again!
I used to actually look forward to Mondays each week because on my lunch break I would watch your Equilinox devlogs, they were chill, entertaining and inspiring. Keep up the good work sir!
interested in seeing this gamified in a way that's as much about play & ecology as expansion and profit!
Oh my god I was so happy to see a video of you so soon! Thank you!
And btw. this is not a call for "I need frequent videos". Keep up the great work, on your pace!
This guy uses JAVA and ECLIPSE to build games. He is a keeper!!! Well done sir!
Your Videos are so relaxing to watch, keep up the good work!
Hey I'm just commenting with some suggestions for if you ever get stuck on ideas!
- Expanding farm with livestock
- Bee's to help grow the plants
- Different weather seasons with different crops that can grow
- People you can hire
- Machinery to automate the farm
- Further processing of harvested crops like making flour from wheat etc
Just some idea's for the future! Love your work.
One possible 'placing' ui improvement is to let the of the placed items (eg: beehives) be parallel to what the previously selected tile was.
eg: if you want to place a beehive facing north, you first hover around the first tile to the south of the original tile and then hover back up to the origin to have the correct orientation.
This game looks so fun. I would really love to download this game
I can see loads of potential for this game, like being able to expand your garden, you can also reuse a lot of the animals from equillinox for farm animals
Great video! Your videos are so motivating. It's cool to watch a project and its development from the start. That's exactly what I want to be able to do when I'm out of school. Your videos show that even with Java, as a small developer, you can do something great like that! I'm already looking forward to see the next devlog.
tis a good week when we get a thinmatrix devlog
Always really happy to see a upload, your video’s are a great wind down after a long day. Really love your work!
This could be a fun multiplayer game. The market could be made up of actual players buying and selling. Some players could grow crops just for seeds that they later sell to the marketplace. Lots of potential. Great progress!
My favorite game dev youtuber! Seeing such steady progress after years of what felt like stagnation with the city builder game, its finally time to see another beautiful game like Equilinox take shape!
4:00 I'd rather see how many I have in total pre- and after buying. So like the inventory amounts.
You should consider adding a gardener who carries out the work instructed. You could select areas of land to harvest, plant seeds etc which would be more rewarding I think than simply clicking the squares. Also, they should chill in a hammock when they're not busy
You coming along so quickly! I'm nowhere near this stage and I've been at it for weeks...
you are like the most productive game dev ngl
Awesome devlog, keep going!
I appreciate the added explanation of the Smoother code. Two cool extensions to it could easily be Ease In and Ease Out (very common in animation).
Glad you are back to work and feeling better mentally and physically.
Wonderful work!! I will definitely play this.
I would suggest for rotation to be able to Tab instead of the middle of the mouse.
Excellent progress. It's awesome to see the grow and sell game loop coming together so fast!
Always enjoy your dev blogs, they are very relaxing to watch
Would love to see little delivery men come via vehicle and install placeables such as the bee hives while farm-hands till the soil, harvest crops and drive to deliver the produce to the markets, while following the farm paths with speed buffs which would give some functionality to the paths
I understand polish isn't the main concern right now although a Shader to make those trees move would be incredible for some variety!
nice to see more updates, seems it was a good idea, you seem in a better flow. Good luck!
I NEED to see the progress of this game 😤
definitely deserved the sub!
Hey man, this is such a cool and cute little game :) You’ve helped me get back into game dev and I’ve actually been making a farming game very similar to yours while following along with your dev logs! Keep up the awesome work
You can really feel in this video how excited you are to make this, and it's really good to watch!
Great progress. Always look forward to one of your devlogs.
This is looking fantastic already!
Great work so far, lovely to see it coming together so quickly. Really inspiring videos and look forward to seeing how your ideas for it develop.👌
Just some future ideas. When you buy stuff you could have a truck go off and return with the goods. As you business gets bigger you can add storage houses and more trucks/vans to deliver goods as your money grows.
Great job, I love your work really.
Love it! Thanks for sharing the update. Keep up the good and inspiring work!
You've always been such an inspiration to so many people wanting to get into game dev; myself included, but more than anything it brings so much joy for all of us to see you finding your own personal joy in the projects you develop. Seeing you make these decisions to take a step back so that you can ultimately move projects forward as a developer is just one of the key differences that make indie devs shine while surrounded by the AAA titles and studios. The passion is what keeps you going and it is a wonderful thing to witness. Thank you for everything you do and share. Can't wait to see more of your future dev logs!
I love the energy of your videos, the music, your chill narrating voice, the nature theme and the artstyle of the game is coming together wonderfully :D
Hey! Thanks for all the awesome videos, would love too see more of your cooking montages from your earlier videos 😍 I have 2-3 of your videos saved in my cooking playlist, really inspirational 👍
Hey @ThinMatrix nice to have you back 😀 I've been wondering if you could show us how do you organize your Trello boards, they seem to be very well ogranized! 😁
It’s really coming along nicely!
I think having people around the farm would give pavements a purpose and maybe room for automation stuff in the future. Looking forward to see what you do next!
The garden game updates are of course great, but tbh I look forward to seeing Rufus too :D
I love watching your vids... you got the dream game dev goal
As always amazing! Keep working, I'm looking formward to see next devlog :)
WOW frequency of posting actually improved it's great 👍
So good to see these devlog videos! 😍
I'm really excited about this project! You inspired me to make my own devlog!
Always looking forward to the uploads
Loving this! So happy to see the progress
Man I really love the way this is looking already! When you where showing the crop sales and what not I couldn't help but think, man it would be cool if the crop prices change based on season and events. Probably all things you are thinking about for the future already. Also, thank you for inspiring others like myself to start their own projects.