The Hunger Games prequel movie is real bad
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
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00:00 Intro
01:02 The Theater
02:44 Overall Thoughts
08:13 Dumb Stuff
14:28 The Music
17:37 Sejanus
18:43 Things I Liked
20:10 In Conclusion
transition music: • Lottery (Renegade) x H...
the fact that you basically had the whole theater to yourself and you still chose the worst seat 😭
omg i know. i knew I was going to be filming a little bit while i was in there and didn't want anyone to see or hear me lol
He's me
The back corner is honestly a lit seat, I always go for it. But yeah in an empty theatre middle would be better 😅
The best seat is up top to look down at all the “peasants” 😂
Those are the best seats 😝
Okay but calling the movie bad after calling the divergent series good is definitely an opinion
thanks for this im not clicking play on this mess after reading this, like come through lobotomy!!!!
@@22joshbbwait does this mean u just read thru the comments to validate ur opinion before even watching that video?
@@thelifeofgiohave you never heard of divergent? Are you new?
@@thelifeofgiowho cares about nuance or entertainment thru adversity? Diversity of opinions, who is she? I frogging LOVED the film and am gonna watch it again after going thru the og
16:12
God i disagree with him so often. Victims do not need to be sad. She sang out of anger and pride. She's not defeated even in the face of death. For someone who reads a ton he's not that perceptive sometimes, it's so jarring hahahah
Anyway, Divergent bad.
i'm so glad you acknowledged sejanus having anus in his name but are you forgetting that coriolanus does too?
Soo.. they bonded over being butts. 😂 I feel that checks out.
@@Kardellanthat *cheeks out?
@@Kardellan Buttholes to be exact.
😂😂😂
every time i hear snow’s name, it’s like i have memory loss. i automatically forget how it’s said😭😭
the way i looked at my boyfriend with absolute hopelessness when i saw her pick up the plant and knew *exactly* what they were about to do....
Viola Davis is a professional. I’m not shocked she’s good, i’m just shocked that no matter how bad the movie is, she always shows up. True queen
It’s wild how many bad movies she’s been in considering how talented she is. Someone give this woman better a better agent lol
@@gothicxromanticI have nothing but respect. She’ll pop up in some total garbage which is so beneath her and BRING IT 100%
@@witchflowers6942 you can say Suicide Squad, it’s okay, Jared Leto can’t hear you from here lol
@@gothicxromanticoh, and don’t forget that Obama movie tragedy.
She was easily my favourite part and the Dovetail scene is what I wanna write, direct.
I dont think it was perfect but I still enjoyed it. I think this book would be hard to adapt. Snows inner monologue felt needed and wasnt there for the movie really. The accent with Lucy was also odd.
The accent is odd? I thought she had that accent in the books?
@@samuelljayy6705 It would disappear in the movie
Omg yes I completely agree. The accent would fade in and out, it was driving me crazy
the accent made sense though they are based on appalachian
@@caitlynburke7607 it was more the fact of it fading and being inconsistant
omggg the rabies thing took me out....bc that's not what hydrophobia means in the context of a medical symptom. ppl with rabies aren't literally afraid of just seeing water, their bodies just physically reject it. if you look up videos of people with rabies being given water they're easily able to get the water into their mouths but then they like seize up and start choking and coughing. the idea that the mere sight of water made him willingly fall to his death is hilarious
LMAOOOOOO
in the future maybe they have sentient rabies. like cordyceps in the last of us 😬
im 30 and i still thought that was how rabies worked BYEEE 😭
No it actually can do in severe cases. Coupled with the hallucinations and the throat contractions due to saliva build up, the mere sight of water can induce spasming.
To be fair, he was hit by a drone so he probably lost his balance
“Young hot president snow” is his official name now
I loved that how he refers to him only as "young hot president snow". Never coriolanus, corio, or just plain and simple snow, but always the "young hot president snow"
That scene in A Salad of Bongbirds and Bakes where they brought Lucy Gay that swamp potato and she said "This plant is called KatPiss Buttercream" and Miss Anus said "People are dying, Kim"... I really felt that
I had a stroke reading this
SEIZURE
Where's *that* movie, and where I can stare at it?
Crying rn some ppl just get blessed with humor smh
😔
always love the “pregnant in the hunger games” references agajahjdhdh
The thing I can't understand since we found out what the plot of the book was is this: why does Snow's hatred for Katniss have to come from a personal connection? Why can't he just be a power-hungry, politically savvy dictator who recognizes the danger in her because he knows political systems and he knows people? To me, the connection cheapens his character and his intelligence. He explained everything so well in those added scenes from the first movie. That was a stroke of brilliance from the filmmakers, and it was enough.
same! i can't get into the prequel because of that. For me snow's story had a sense of finality with the thg trilogy.
Imo the book *was* showing how Snow is just a power hungry manipulator. I think the parallels to Katniss are less a motive and more a highly poetic justice.
@@unnamedguard03 This! Plus, the added tragedy that he had EVERY opportunity to gain a new perspective (from befriending Sejanus, to straight-up living in the poorest district with Lucy Gray), and yet he still ended up making the decisions that he made, and justifying them all along the way. When I originally read the Hunger Games, Snow was always this ominous, almost inhuman figure that loomed over everything in a terrifying but intangible way. The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes makes him real and human in a way that makes him even MORE terrifying (in my opinion) because as the reader (now audience member, with the movie), you're forced to follow him along on his journey of twisted, selfish logic, and it becomes frighteningly understandable how a well-intentioned teenage boy eventually turns into an evil, all-powerful dictator. I completely understand why some people feel the link to Katniss and District 12 in Snow's past might cheapen his character, but in my opinion, it only makes his character all the more real and scary. Is it "unrealistic" that the dictator of a country somehow had deep ties in his distant past to the very random girl who would someday end up unintentionally taking down his entire regime? Sure, it's super unrealistic. But this is fiction! I don't believe for a second that Suzanne didn't create this story without intention and meaning. And the poetic justice of it all in the end makes everything that happens later in Katniss' story that much more satisfying to me!
Anyway, sorry to dump on you, I was just glad to see someone who I agreed with... Rant over XD I love Caleb's videos and I respect everyone's opinions, but watching this video made me feel like I needed to defend the story, but that might just be my own bias towards it
I think it adds a really cool angle, because instead of him being JUST a power hungry, evil man, there's more of a hidden reason that we didn't know about in the original series
So many good villains get ruined thanks to backstories! I have hated this for years
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im sorry but this comment has me in tears
@@maximumbees don’t be sorry, it felt good to confess my shame to Caleb and the comment section
The hungry games prequel ironically makes some of the scenes in the original hungry games kinda goofy. Like, do you think Snow was gagged when a girl called Katniss from district 12 became a tribute?
No but for real tho 😭 it had me recontextualizing a lot of things from the og trilogy
probably not tbh. His first thought would probably be “some half wit from 12 named their child after a potato flower, they’re such a joke of humanity.” Lucy didnt invent the name katniss for what to call swamp potatos.
WHEN LUCY GRAY SAID “when i was little my mama used to bathe me in buttermilk and rose petals..” I KID U NOT ALL I THOUGHT WAS CALEB WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THIS 😭😭
There’s NO WAY this was a line in the movie. 🥴 SO CRINGE
@@mckenziejeanne4508that’s a line in the book as well lol
I don’t even know anything about the hunger games but that is the dumbest line I ever heard
And they accent made it worse
@@mckenziejeanne4508she then eats a petal of the rose and says tastes like bed time. It's supposed to be cute but eerie, as if she's the threat, but she's just someone who loves sweet things.
It's one of my favourite scenes.
Me and my friends called the short haired girl "she they barista" throughout the film 😍
they make a killer iced latte i know it!!!
Absolutely annoying how much the new fans discredit Katniss. its not like she knew about any of that lucy stuff. she was literally just trying to survive. they even criticized how she did during the 74th games…
exactly like she’s the blueprint y/a female protag badass and the inspiration for 4th grade girls around the world… don’t say too much on her!!!
@@user-yj7cu5sk2wshe's a blueprint cuz she's basic though imo. That's the tradeoff. Kinda moody and selfish, but caring. Meh, I cared more about the setting or other characters hahaha
@@nailinthefashion well, yeah. I was being a lil facetious, I’ll admit. I do the same in my defense of Taylor Swift. But genuinely, though? Katniss did kinda “revolutionize” your standard female protagonist Written For Teen Girls…. namely by doing the bare minimum of not being fucking toothless.
@@user-yj7cu5sk2w has anything successfully imitated it to you? I don't think Katnip had enough gravitas to actually be replicated hahaha. Divergent tried so hard and got so far, but in the end it didn't even matter. I think of more brash or stoic women like Kill Bill or Captain Marvel and think Katniss is like a declawed hissing cat not unlike Buttercup.
Johanna is the best HG character to me. Lost it all, had nothing to live for, just did it out of spite to see her enemies burn. Now that's a protagonist I wanna see the journey of, where's that spin off? Dayum, just more Snow... okay..
The author fcked Katniss real bad with this book. Like, the fans of the book and movie actually believe that Katniss based her whole persona on Lucy Gray- a character born more than 10 years after Katniss.
Argh!!!
I totally hated the book and expected to hate the movie too but I just watched it today and actually really liked it. definitely some cringe/disappointing aspects but I thought it did a way better job of making the story entertaining than the book did. its been interesting for me to hear all the different opinions from those who liked it vs those who hated it
The best part of the movie for me was knowing that Caleb would rip it to shreds
Literally it's such a full circle moment
I will say the lack of insight of Snow's internal thoughts really lost a crucial part of the storytelling. He was plotting since day one, but it seems sudden switch in the movie. Lucy Gray has an accent because District 12 is around the Appalachian area and I feel like the Covey spent must of their time inbetween the Districts in the more rural parts, so probably picked up that bluegrass-y accent.
The movie was… odd. It felt like a musical combined with violence lol. Every time she sang, it felt awkward and cheesy. I did like the actor for Snow and he helped make it not so terrible but overall the characters just weren’t engaging to me.
well it’s part of lucy gray’s character to be a performer. singing is her whole thing. the only time i thought it was unnecessary was when she was reaped.i really liked the film though.
@@charthesmile I realize that and it’s not what I have an issue with, a lot of the singing just felt more like a musical vs feeling natural and part of the movie. Especially the reaping and then also later at the end of the games - when she was singing on tv or at home in 12 it felt a lot more natural. Just felt like they realized she had a nice voice and tried to stick in as many singing parts for her in there.
@@skinsciencebymira yeah the singing during the interview, snakes, when she was alone, and when she was performing all made sense, but the random singing over them swimming in the lake felt out of place.
Same feeling
Finally found someone sharing the same opinion. I was cringing most of the time
The thing that made the book stand out (and couldn’t be properly conveyed through a film medium) was it’s use of The Unreliable Narrator, knowing that while Snow is acting proper and polite on the outside he is cruel and calculating in his thoughts, all his friendships are completely fake and used only for his own social gain. He sees Lucy Gray as less an equal, and more an object that belongs to him. He thinks the people in the districts “don’t count as people.” Without his internal monologue I imagine his sudden turn at the end might seem out of left field to audience members who hadn’t read the books and don’t know what he’s actually thinking.
Book to movie adaptations just don’t work sometimes, and unfortunately I think this is one of those times.
Snow's not unreliable as a narrator at all, he's extremely clear throughout about what he's thinking and his lack of empathy. Lucy Gray is the only blind spot because we never know if she actually loved him or if she was playing up his ego to survive the entire time.
@@blueskybelyr yeah I wasn’t as clear as I meant to be, Snow’s perception of Lucy Gray is specifically where the unreliable narrator comes in. It makes the reader question if she really is using Snow, or if he’s just projecting his own way of thinking onto her
I really liked the movie, its quite book accurate and I agree the third part was a bit boring. I wish they went deeper into the relationship between Lucy Gray and Snow, and showed more how unhinged and untrustworthy he was. But I LOVED his breakdown and turning point at the end, just that it was a bit unpredictable for those who haven´t read the book and know how awful he really is
I‘m sorry but you can‘t hinge a movie on having read the book. It has to stand on it‘s own two feet. And I just felt really confused in the theater. Like the only reason Snows character ark made any sense to me was because I knew who he would become. My mom on the other hand just plain did not get it. It‘s just not well developed at all. Almost no screen time is spent on actually developing Snow as a character. He just does shit for the most part and you just sit there and have no idea why he does it. Like holy shit add some scenes where he actually develops as a character. It doesn‘t need to be faithful to the book if that means having a character that is very obviously supposed to have a ton of inner monologue not have that monologue but do the exact same shit.
i agree , if u cannot translate things from the book to on screen exactly, then at least find a way to portray those developments in a different way @@epimisti
@@epimistithen your mom must be stupid, because i didn't read the books and i did get what snow's true intentions were
@@epimisti I mean I haven’t read the book and only just got back into the series after this film, and my friends hadn’t even read the books or watched the movies, but we understood what was happening perfectly fine.
as a lover of high class literature myself, i too love the salad of longbirds and lakes
Girl the stans are gonna come for you for this one😭
I totally agree with her singing, it was really good but thats the issue! It shouldnt have sounded so "im thinking so hard about what my vocal coach taught me", it should sound like the character has emotions
TBH I think that’s the way Rachel sings and it has a lot to do with her training-she has extensive musical theater training which is good but not realistic for her character.
The reason Katniss' singing for Hanging Tree works so well is because the POINT of her character is she isn't cosmically special. She isn't a "chosen one" because she has a special talent or magic on her side like Harry Potter or genetically special like Tris. She was just a girl doing what she thought was best for her family and trying to survive, she just happened to be in the right place at the right time. It was serendipitous.
Jennifer Lawrence's voice sounding amateur added to that idea, that face of the revolution isn't some glamorous super star. She's an everyman. This is what makes her relatable and compelling, both to fans in real life and those in the universe of the books.
This is kinda lost with Lucy Grey's polished singing scene.
The character is a performer tho. Singing is all she did before the reaping. I think the singing was extremely emotional especially when you take into account that Rachel sang live take after take and that it wasn't a studio take. There is no way they could have made the singing any more raw. I am not really sure what people expected from a character who is a performer and singer... It is also part of her culture. I would have had a major issue if she sucked and didn't sound like she had been singing a day in her life.
@@KJ-st5tz I get where you are coming from but I gotta disagree on one specific part. The live singing adding to it. So what she sang it live. They did that for the movie version of Les mis. Anne Hathaway's performance conveyed pain and was an overall great performance. The musical Hamilton had multiple emotional musical performances. The problem with her performance was it gave "Go the Distance" from Hercules and not "Burn" from Hamilton. She needed to exercise more control and pull back to make room to place emphasis in certain parts. You cannot add emphasis if your whole message is in Caps lock.
@@pandaninja_19 I think the live singing did add a lot as singing in a concert compared to singing on a record feels and sounds different. It has to come from the heart and for me, that is what it sounded like. It definitely doesn't sound like "go the distance" from my account, and it just sounded like a skilled performer singing what she knew. Now the direction the director and Rachel decided to go for with the type of emotion and weight they put on the lyrics are all down to direction and intention. I think claiming she needs better control sounds quite silly considering how much talent and skill she has as a performer. Even more so when you realise how much control one has to have to do the same singing take over and over again for a whole day. I thought the singing gave me the exact emotions and impact I need from the character based on who she is and what she is trying to accomplish and express. You think otherwise, and that is okay, you might have directed or sung it diffrently. So I suppose we will have to agree to disagree :)
Calling him "Young Hot President Snow" is sending me
I don't know why MIss Suzanne hasn't given us a prequel about Haymitch yet, like a game with 48 instead of 24??
Edit: I won so bad
ikr
I’d be so down for that, or any book exploring a district other than 12
I kid you not, this is what i thought this film was about when I went in and then instantly remembered it was about snow 😂 Haymitch would make a way better prequel
I feel like it would be an interesting story.
Am I the only one who finds that to be lacking? In Catching Fire, Katniss & Peeta are watching tapes of past victors to surmise their strengths and weaknesses. They watch Haymitch's and Karniss explains his games in entirety, basically. The arena was a meadow, and it gave off the allure of comfort from a beautiful scenery but it was revealed that most of the flowers and smells were poisonous, and that cute animals and insects like squirrels and butterflies were carnivorous and a huge threat. His Game ended by discovering the end of the arena that ended with a cliff, that was protected by a force field that he used as a weapon to kill his final opponent by knowing that she would throw an axe, which would be thrown downwards but come back up again due to the force field, killing her with her own weapon. I'm rereading the series and I literally just got to that part. You know who I think would be better for a background story? Cinna. We know nothing of his past, and he is the one who pretty much starts the rebellion by designing her dresses that are used in her rebel symbolism. He directly defies Snow by making her wedding dress in the 2nd interview with Cesar, turn into the Mockingjay. He knows that will get him killed, and he does it anyways. He was young and hardened from day 1 of meeting Katniss. He's a member of The Capitol, but yet he possesses a rebel heart from the beginning. What caused him to be like this?
caleb... you're telling me the theater was basically empty and you choose to sit there instead of right in the middle?! 2:27
im deeply disturbed
sometimes i think that im so naive and really bad at criticizing media i like... but like im literally just a teenager i need to let myself enjoy things
And you should!! I think we can criticize media, while still enjoying it. I mean there's some bad animated movies that I adore just because of the memories I associate with them.
I'm 26 and just recently fell down a rabbit hole reading my old journal entries where I wrote about books I read when I was 16... and was like wow I did not have good media criticism skills then! But it's a skill that comes with time (*and practise), and you're still allowed to enjoy things. Just be open to hearing other people's opinions and interpretations! And keep liking what you like if it brings you joy 😊
this is absolutely the time to enjoy things! if you liked this movie, im so glad and don’t feel like you have to criticise it or anything-it’s fine to just like it! for me though, i’ve always found a personal enjoyment in critiquing and analysing the media i both like and dislike. but that doesn’t make me any smarter nor does it make my opinion any more important. it’s just my current way of having fun with stuff.
tldr: enjoy things how you want to and in the ways that make you happy ❤️❤️
Some people have fun being critical of media and analyzing everything, other people have fun just chilling and watching the movie. Both are fine. Let yourself consume art/media whatever way makes you happy :)
always like what you like! just be open minded to valid criticisms. you can recognize that something maybe isn't perfect but still enjoy it, and you don't have to be a professional critic about it either :) i feel like most people online get so caught up in either reading way too much into everything or getting upset that something they like isn't universally beloved, and i think the happy medium solution is again just being aware and understanding of differences.
it was entertaining but way too long and overall unnecessary. we didn’t need a reason for president snow to hate katniss, we didn’t need a reason for him to be a villain. he doesn’t need to be anything more than a power-hungry dictator, and he was already interesting as that. i do agree with people that it should’ve been a show
I actually think it was a great decision by the author to write a story centered around Snow as it gave her room to write commentary about something I think is very needed and important, which is... "how do the people who execute violence see themselves and justify themselves and how do those complacent to it do so as well?". But also a debate on nature vs. nurture. I feel like reading the book as an explanation for why Snow hated Katniss is missing out on the larger theme. It is important to not just have stories with one-dimensional villains. Especially in a book series dedicated to explore the human condition and the many atrocities we witness and live with around the world.
@@KJ-st5tzyes this is my exact thoughts!
@@KJ-st5tzI think this is what the movie missed
Snow did not hate Katniss he hated what she represented, he actually respected her and wanted her to work with him within the system that he created. Katniss represented a different type of survival that went against everything snow worked so hard to build. Snow saw status, power and control as means of survival. Idk why you are determining what we needed when its not your series, and you didnt even understand why this addition was created.
@@madelinejones2823 maddie that’s just my opinion
I couldn’t help but think of Caleb’s book review the whole time I sat in the theater 😭😭😭
Me too! 😂
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I'm so confused bc when the book came out sooo many booktubers were like oh this book is so bad it shouldn't exist etc and fast forward to like last year/this year everyone had a nostalgia phase w the hunger games and suddenly everyone liked the book and were excited for the movie??? And i see people saying they loved it???? I thought everyone hated the book😭 I am no stranger to forgiving stuff from my fave franchises that is bad so I respect it but it was WILD to see people's change of opinion over the years
i had the same thought
Was that really what happened? I thought I was going crazy for not liking the prequel and dropping it halfway through
For me with the reviews I was scared to read it and then when I actually did I was kind of confused by a lot of the complaints tbh because I didn’t read it that way and it’s personally my favourite one in the series, I think a lot of people hated it originally because they were already hating on it before it even was released because they couldn’t get over the fact it was about a young president snow when they wanted one about people like Haymitch or finnck, I’ve seen a lot of people the last year or so say that’s a big reason why they didn’t like it but when they gave it a chance again they could appreciate it more
I’m pretty sure it was well received when it came out
it was reviews like this movie review that made a lot of fans not want to read the novel, but a lot of people decided to read it anyway and enjoyed it. people will let nostalgia ruin a reading experience. it’s strangely odd that only this fanbase has a problem with gatekeeping the villain, like it’s some historical text. but anyway, that’s just my opinion. the book was great.
honestly this just made me think it should've been a literal stage musical. when you were showing the part with lucy singing after she won i was like "this is such an act i finale thing to do" lol
disappointed they didn't include beanpole and bug
i think my biggest problem with the movie and the book is that it makes it seem like snow's problem with katniss was on personal level and not because she's the symbol of the revolution that's trying to topple his dictatorship
(i liked it just as a movie though lol)
Her accent was meant to be Appalachian, because that's the area where District 12 is. Miner country.
What I personally mean with the third act being rushed is that the important plot bits were really oddly paced. I feel like there were whole musical numbers, swamp potato everdeen references, scarf gifting scenes, falling in love shenanigans, etc. But then the whole Sejanus plot, Lucy Gray leaving because of what, lbh, could just have been a miscommunication, Snow turning into a shouting, raving madman and then into a sinister, calculating one... It all seemed to happen in the last 15 minutes. Idk if that's actually the time frame, but that's how it came across.
I’d say the best element of the film is the ambiguity, like if you’re in Snows head Lucy Grey gets most of the “oh is she being genuine” but with both of them being hard to read and manipulative when they need to be I feel like there will be some reading into how much was them being corrupted and how much was alway a part of them for years. And like they explicitly say the ambiguity over Lucy Greg’s ending is a major influence on his character long term.
Like both can be read as fake AF from the start and saying and doing whatever would benefit them or as characters with ideals that slowly get corrupted by facing how thing are in their reality or a mixture or something else.
okay but i actually loved the movie lol and it made me want to read the book. i watched it last night and STILL cannot stop thinking about it
also my guess was that snow would have his villain arc bc lucy died in the hunger games so when she survived i was like 😳 i feel like i need to read the book now
Sameee, although I'm not much of a reader so I'll just rewatch the movie when it comes on streaming platforms lol
me too!!
i read the book, rlly good read
same i loved the movie so much. i saw it twice and am planning on seeing it again!
Tbh it felt like the book was written to be made into a movie in the first place, so things got weird when the time came to actually adapt it lmao
Considering that the book came out 3 years ago I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what happened
The expository dialogue “sing your way out of this one Lucy gray” zooms in ominously was so unnecessary liek they really thought the audience was dumb, but then we didn’t get any of snows internal dialogue towards the end so it’s like he just went crazy all of a sudden rather than havi by been a little off the whole time like in the book
"the salad of bong birds and lakes" 😭😭
That Pregnant in the Hunger Games part got me so bad 😂
I love you repeatedly referring to the character as "Young Hot President Snow". Everything you need to know about him in four words.
Now I know Younghotpresidentsnow is the only correct way to call him. Thanks Caleb!
I’m so tired of the trope now of villains needing a backstory to explain them. Snow was a political figure who hated Katniss because she threatened his power/position, that’s all he needed to be. It was simple but effective, it served the story well.
The weirdest thing is the book's existence. Like ms suzanne why.
I don't quite think that this falls into that category specifically I mean he was bat shit crazy from the start. I think what Suzanne was trying to point out is that he had every opportunity to not become what he became. He is still power hungry and that's what ultimately became his downfall. Lucy Gray and Senjanus only amplified that.
@@allidoisdreamaboutcats9646exactly! the point was just showing how powerful his feeling of entitlement to power and birthright were. he started okay(ish)?? but the minute he had an opportunity to get power, he immediately could not stop at any cost to get it. the backstory doesnt detract from how inhumane snow is in the og hunger games series, but it does give some context to how fascism became evermore present in the capitol and how unstable the system was. i kinda find him even more impressively cruel and calculated considering everything we learnt from the prequel. lucy and sejanus are essentially the opportunities he had to be a better person that he didnt take (or completely tried to destroy). the story also gives context to tigris and she plays a role in the 2nd revolution.
@@allidoisdreamaboutcats9646 I get that and I agree that yes it does show how he’s always been power hungry, it still cheapens the character (IMO) by making him batshit crazy. Snow was never shown that way before and that’s why he was intimidating. He was always cool calm and collected and fully on board, he never felt like someone who was crazy in that sense, he was someone who fully believed in something crazy. It would make more sense to show him breaking down and going batshit in the movies than a prequel. I would have loved if the movie was just about how the hunger games themselves started instead of focusing so much on the characters.
@@supergingerr You do also have to take in account that he's about 18 in the prequel and around 82 when the trilogy starts he had decades to perfect his mannerisms and how he presents himself. And when I say batshit crazy I mean he was always a douche. ( Probably should have worded that better) Plus the Trilogy is written from Katniss' perspective we don't know what he was thinking and on top of that being terrified of.Snow and what he could do. ( Also I agree it would've been cool to see how the very first hunger games started )
I love that he keeps saying “young hot President Snow” when he is referring to snow
snow is such a bi disaster, he got his bf killed and fumbled a baddie so bad and now he’s all bi-himself
LMAOOOOO 💀💀💀
No bc all I can think about in that one scene where Lucy is singing in the arena with the snakes is all of the wattpad fanfics where y/n sings fight song when she’s struggling mid battle
NOT FIGHT SONG 😭😭
didnt expect much but was so excited considering how decent the original movies were.
also, the first hunger games is the strongest YA dystopian film I've seen come from that era. They had the blueprint mapped out for them and still disappointed
The first Hunger Games is goated
😭 oh my god, the hanging tree x renegade remix is killing me
I just came out of the movie and I went to the bathroom when they were at the lake so I missed the ✨️genius foreshadowing✨️ of the katniss plant, now I'm laughing so hard
this movie seemed like such an a**pull honestly 😭 lowkey i feel like people are being insane bc they’re like “omg look how snow reacted in the hunger games. that’s bc of lucy gray’s history with him!!” like no? it feels like lucy gray was just added into the narrative randomly
I don't even watch the movie,I was just waiting for Caleb to give commentary LOL
I don't even dare to watch prequels and sequels nowadays 😂
Yeah honestly it all seems like a big retcon 😭
I don’t think Lucy Gray is the reason anyway, she’s basically the opposite of katniss
What really took me out was that they were all so old. Like -- isn't young hot president Snow supposed to be like 18? And the tributes? At max 18, right? There were some grown ass adults in there. Instead of giving child sacrifice they gave taxes and student loan debt.
Because Katniss and Peeta and Gale all looked 17 throughout the OG movies? Bffr they do this in movies all the time. Hardly the most pressing problem it had
@blueskybelyr Friend - hey! Tough day? :/
But, friend, I never said it was the most pressing issue - it was but one aspect of the movie that I found funny. I know it's done a lot, don't you worry, friend. You want a sophisticated critique of the movie? Maybe you'll find it elsewhere, but certainly not in the comment section of a funny lil YT video :/
@@blueskybelyr😂😂😂 This is gold
@@Lisa-kp6wn lmao not the condescension... just saying, weird nitpick of this franchise in particular
@blueskybelyr The first thing I thought of was "Oh naur, Cleo! The condensation!".
My initial comment was just a light-hearted response to a light-hearted video - you started being condescending by assuming/presuming stuff and taking it a lil too serious. Chill!
That katniss thing reminded me of the scene from the Hobbit trilogy when Bofur asked the elf chick for kingsfoil
Big takeaway-
Katniss is named after a potato.
...
She’s a hardy breed
You'll never butter her up! She'll always fry her enemies! She never walked around half-baked!
Hey! Its Swamp Potato to you!
....thats literally the whole point in the books, like they straight up say that exactly in book one because her father names her after a reliable and beautiful food source that allowed her family to survive, he told her "as long as you can find yourself youll never starve" its also a nod to book 2 where you learn that that lake was what katniss learned to swim before everything went to shit
We literally found that out near the beginning of the first ever book… 😭
I loved this movie omg 😪 I was so captivated by it, I couldn’t look away. The actors were amazing, especially Tom and Rachel, who really made me feel Lucy’s emotions when she was singing
same but I'll still listen to caleb for the comediez
@@jaz_luo_studio young hot president snow is now the character’s name it’s true
@@Cat-oj5ojI watched the movie with my friends and one of them said she found him so hot in the scene he was shirtless and added "but he just had to ruin it 😔" it fucking killed me lmao
@@herlocksholmes-uv5qw PLS she’s so me, I was trying to have morals but alas I saw the buzzcut young hot president snow and it was over
you can’t tell me Rachel was acting well with horrible ass accent
I would pay five tickets just to watch an adaptation of Pregnant in the Hunger Games
Tiktok said that she had an Appalachian accent and D12 folk were supposed to have them but wasn’t included in the first movies
I love your occasional video drop. It reminds me that I used to be a major book nerd in middle/high school. I feel like we've both grown out of that phase, and yet we're still here.
Same thoughts here
I think she sang angrily and undefeated and it fit the lyrics of the song that she sang during the reaping very well. I think it would have been cringe and weird had she sung during the reaping and the games in a sad way. It also would have felt totally unnecessary and out of place. Like this, her singing was a symbol of rebellion because they could not take away her voice and her joy for music. I think it was a very conscious decision of the director to do it this way since Rachel Zegler can sing very differently too
when it ended with “it’s the things we love the most that destroy us” i rolled my eyes all the way to my sejanus 😂
Um, what? That movie was fantastic. Viola Davis stole the show for me and I now want to read the book to compare
The point of the prequel was basically Snow bad. As if we didn't know that from the main series.
YES. The way they put so many references that were actually just tell us to our faces "do you remember? From the original trilogy? We have it here!" was a big problem for me. It's like suzanne just made a collage with all the thg facts she remembered
Tbh i was disappointed by the movie act 3 was so boring and every time i thought the movie was going to end it just didnt. Ppl on tiktok saying its better than the original 4 are crazy
CALEB NO! it's an actual masterpiece you dont understand
Love the sarcasm 😂
@@Jacob42086 it's not sarcasm 😭 i'm actually serious, i love the book and the movie LMAO
@@Jacob42086 It is good for those who love the social and political commentary that the books are built on. The themes are explored so well, and it is sad to see how many people seem to miss out on the ver intentional and clear questions that were explored in this story centered around Snow.
Caleb is like so brutally honest it scares me
And I appreciate him for it! It's fine,I know how you feel as well haha
Thank you but it’s just that he scares me because he is not afraid to straight up trash and murder movies and I wonder what would happen if I wanted him to see my writing
i see no honesty :/ specially with someone as dumb enough to call divergent better than thg
the southern accent took me out of it-every single time Lucy Gray spoke, I craved death.
I dont get why she has a southern accent at all. no one in the original from 12 had that accent, so what changed in the 64 years since Lucy showed up? did Snow outlaw the accent because it reminded him of his ex?
as someone from Texas that was one of the most ass southern accents i’ve ever heard
It’s not a “southern” accent per say, it’s Appalachian, which makes sense given where District 12 is.
9:03 She, and everyone from 12 during those days, had accents. You can tell by how the sentences were formatted in the book, they're read with a southern/appalachian kind of accent. Ik you acknowledged this but it was one of those details that hardcore fans were hoping for. I'm glad they included it(the more details the better), even if it was choppy at times.
watching the singing clips out of context have me squirming in my seat
there’s something particularly frustrating to me about sequels that feel the need to over-explain the origins of all the interesting things & characters from the original 😭 it’s like with the Han Solo movie where they explained why his last name is “Solo”, and showed where he got his gun, and how he met Chewie, allll in the same movie
it always feels so unnatural, because you know all of these arbitrary connections are for the audience’s sake. so that we can go “oh, that’s The Thing! that’s where it’s from!” even though you know that the writer only came up with it after the fact; it’s not something that was planned from the beginning
I strongly disagree about her singing - she has SO MANY emotions in her voice, she just isn’t sad, she‘s ANGRY. It’s very raw and powerful and she conveys that perfectly through her raspy belting and her facial expressions. Maybe it’s a musical theatre thing but I think it fits her rebellious character much better than if she sang it in a sad, demure, quiet way
I agree I loved her voice.
realistically ppl don’t sing like that when they’re angry. it’s not supposed to be musical theater it’s a movie but if it was a musical then i agree
When you’re being swarmed with snakes you will not be belting like that 😭
@@g.quagmire7583 I think she felt like she was charming the snakes. Lucy Gray had a special relationship with snakes back in her district and I wouldn’t be surprised if she made friends with them by singing to them.
Young hot president snow was in fact hot and I’m shallow so I thought the movie was great 😂
i love how u call him young president snow because in no way in hell am i gonna call him coriolanus
The point was that Lucy named the plant Katniss, and so her parents named her after a swamp potato. It sounds pretty, but she's pretty plain. I don't think Katniss was interesting on her own, only with context with her family or lovers.
Caleb is literally the funniest person I’ve ever experienced. I love referring my friends to a guy named Caleb who rants about books and films online
I personally really loved the book so I guess this will just be one of those videos I won't relate to :) I haven't seen the movie yet tho! I'm guessing I'll have a higher chance of liking it as I really enjoyed the book itself.
literally I couldn't care less about the characters. juicy grey felt like a useless female protagonist. Snow himself becoming a redpill incel because lucy gay dumped him. At the start he was supposed to be "good" but he makes suggestions like "why don't we take bets!". he's literally contributing to an oppressive system so bad even his family ain't living good and yet he's like yeah kill em girls are mean and I want a new jacket. I'm deleting this movie from my mental space.
As someone who has never read/seen Hunger Games, I can't form an opinion until Caleb lets me know what to think on this important but very specialized subject :D
I agree to an extent. I think they did a decent job with the time they were given. People forget that they only have 2 hours to tell a long, complex story and that choosing what to keep in and cut out must be quite challenging bc ur basically having to re-write the entire story while still keeping the original story at the forefront. I do think it should have been 2 films with the second film going into more detail about Snow and Lucy’s relationship in District 12 and Snow’s decent into corruptness. I thought the acting was phenomenal and both Rachel and Tom gave a great performance!
this movie needed to be a tv show
To be fair, even when the movie was spoon feeding info, there are still a lot of loud and wrong people on Twitter and Tiktok. It’s crazy
i feel like going crazy with everybody on social media liking this but I know I can always rely on caleb on being brutally honest 😭
I have been so afraid to say anything online because everyone loved it and I’m in the minority. I’m glad Caleb was real to the perspective.
SAME HONESTLY
Same, it's been driving me crazy seeing stuff about this movie.
honest?? i call that stupidity lmao
I watched your book review and I couldn’t wait to hear your thoughts on this because 😂😂😂 I remember how much you “loved” the book
Not the titanium by sia type singing 😂
justice for beanpole frrrr
i love the sound of bongbirds right outside my window
I feel like they missed the whole idea of song being important in a revolution. The reason the hanging tree worked so well in the hunger games is because it’s a simple tune that anyone can sing and the words are easy to remember. There was no reason for her to be belting 🤣🤣
EXACTLY!!!! thank you
lucy gray being the original singer and writer and maude ivory and coryo being the only two people who have heard it means that the melody and how the song goes would change as it gets passed on so the change from the original “belting” to the simple tune we heard from katniss makes sense since the song was passed down orally for 60+ years. also lg, at least in the film, was a belter so you cant fault her for that
This review was really entertaining. I disagree with most of what you said. I read the first three books several years ago so I don’t remember much of the plot. I only watched the first movie. I enjoyed the prequel movie a lot. I agree that the Katniss references were way too on the nose. I think the singing was appropriate as Snow told Lucy Gray she needed to sing to get the audience on her side. Her appeal was that she was a good singer not just that she sang. I didn’t think Sejanus was too preachy. I thought he was really naive and out of touch and that was fitting. He clearly felt a lot of guilt from benefiting from the suffering of others. I thought the pacing could have been better. It drag on in some areas and there was a little too much singing.
I also didn’t think that Lucy Gray is the reason Snow hated Katniss. He was going to hate Katniss regardless. Katniss was displacing him. I see very little parallels between Katniss and Lucy Gray. I think the references were just bad easter eggs. I wish they spent more time showing Snow and Lucy Gray’s relationship. The first promotional poster made it seem like the movie would center the love story more. I read negative reviews about the inner dialogue with the original movies so maybe that’s why it wasn’t featured in this one? Maybe they could have used fantasy sequences instead.
Thank god... someone who understood the themes and messages of the story. Reading the comments made me dizzy from how strangely people interpreted the very obvious and intentional criticisms and messages Collins made.
The Salad of Turkey and Bacon
OHMYGOD!!!!!
I was literally going on youtube to watch game of thrones video essays because i’m hyper focused on it recently.
But then i saw half your thumbnail, realized you were making a video on the hunger games, and clicked IMMEDIATELY. Literally so excited, you make the funniest videos. Thank you!!!!!
Considering I only knew about or read the book because of your original video, this is the only review I’ve been waiting for .
I’m as maddened as I ever was by how many people absolutely adore Lucy and discredit Katniss bc of her because, as loathed as I am to use a term like Mary Sue in 2023, sis comes as close as possible in a dystopian YA setting.
ANYWAY Viola David served and Hunter Schaefer was gorgeous.
Sad, but not surprised.
Spent this whole movie thinking "young hot President Snow"
Same 😭😂😂😂
Caleb, you're not the only one who had a funky theater experience. My theater had a weird-ass audio discrepancy, so the music was appropriately loud and encompassing, while the actors talked like they had pillows over their faces. I still enjoyed the movie, but GAWD that kept taking me out of the immersion. Seeing it again just so I can get a proper viewing this time! 😅
I will agree with some negative reviews that've said the movie has strange pacing issues. I wasn't sure if it's because I've been reading the book lately, but Act 1 felt SO rushed. I low-key internally fangirled at hearing direct lines from the book, but it def. felt like they were skipping around it as quickly as possible to get to the Games. Act 2 was definitely the best, as it slowed down and let us properly know the characters. But the performances were fantastic, there were genuinely funny moments, and I liked exploring this new side of Panem. 👏🐍
Best interaction in the movie by far:
Dr. Gaul: "Fueled with the terror of becoming prey, see how quickly we become predator."
Coriolanus: "Those tributes don't have a choice."
Dr. Gaul: "I was talking about *you."* 🌟👏
17:20 Ha ha, I liked hearing Caleb sing that parody version of "The Hanging Tree!" 😆
The accent startled me too, but then I read that it’s an Appalachian accent because Appalachia is where District 12 is set. Regarding the singing, I love Rachel Zegler but the reaping scene made me laugh out loud in the cinema, it feels so unserious and unrealistic. In general the spontaneous songs felt kinda goofy
Yeh I hate the reaping scene. Just feels weirdly silly. Then the whole “you can kiss my ass!!!” like you’ve got people on Twitter being like “yesss queen” - Just really embarrassing for a hunger games movie.
I’ve been feeling so down lately and seeing that you uploaded made me so happy❤️
My favorite thing about this video and your other prequel book video are the unhinged Hanging Tree remixes. Did you make them yourself, because if so, you are very talented
So moral of the video, if you don't care about the hunger games at least watch it for YOUNG HOT PRESIDENT SNOW!!!! 🥵