The End of WWII on the Eastern Front with Rob Citino
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Pritzker Military Presents: On the Homefront
Dr. Havers is joined by Dr. Citino from The National WWII Museum for a discussion of the End of World War II on the Eastern Front.
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It is CZcams policy that any Robert Citino video must have audio issues.
Great
Interesting isn't it. Anytime he starts a controversial topic the audio dumps out
Institutions treat their audio-visual people as second-rate staff.
It would help to get a proper microphone
One good thing to have come out of the pandemic has been listening to lectures by Dr. Citino and others. I'm attending university classes for free.
Citino is a fine, thoughtful writer. His books are as good or better than his quite sound lectures. A first rater.
Dr. Citino makes history lively and fresh. Whether it's lectures or interviews, I'm always entertained and enriched by his comments. Just SO VERY VERY GOOD!!!
Erich von Manstein: “Lost Victories”, not “Lost Battles”, guys.
Another fascinating look at the closing days of the German catastrophe.
The choppy audio was a real nuisance and did obscure some of Dr. Citino's remarks. Should be an easy fix.
Great interview, to bad some of the audio is missing. Love hearing Citino’s thoughts.
Thanks Dr. Citino always great listening to you speak, always feel like you’re kept in check by a time limit, would be great if you’re given “free reign” for a few hours!
As others have said, the audio chopped in a few places but nothing that made the experience any less positive. We’re all in the same boat and it’s just one of those things that can’t be helped right now!
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❤❤❤❤❤ Citino is number 1. He's the best !
The 2 Robs, by far just about the most knowledgeable people on the subject of WW2. By far
It's symbolic that the 3 torpedoes that hit the German ship were inscribed with "for Motherland", "for Soviet people" and "for Leningrad".
What Citino and the narrator failed to mention was the sinking in November '41 of the Soviet passenger ship 'Armenia' carrying thousands of civilians (& wounded soldiers) from Crimea that was sunk by torpedoes from a German HE-111 killing basically all on board. As they say . . . "payback's a bitch". Following is a detailed account:
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The Soviet hospital ship Armenia (Russian: теплоход «Армения») was a transport ship operated by the Soviet Union during World War II to carry both wounded soldiers and military cargo. It had originally been built as a passenger ship for operations on the Black Sea.
Sinking
On the night of 6/7 November 1941 Armenia took on thousands of passengers at Sevastopol, amid scenes of chaos. Although the city would end up withstanding the German siege for nine months before falling, at the time enemy seizure appeared imminent. Entire Soviet hospital staffs and civilian officials and their families were taken aboard alongside the thousands of wounded, bound for the town of Tuapse, 400 kilometres (250 mi) away on the northeastern shore of the Black Sea. After leaving port in the early morning hours of the 7th, Armenia's captain, Vladimir Plaushevsky, received orders to put in at Yalta, a few kilometres east of Sevastopol, where the already overloaded ship was to pick up yet more passengers. Here, no attempt was made at registering the embarkees; wounded soldiers and civilians were simply crammed onto the decks. Plaushevsky was eager to get underway while darkness still provided some protection, but was ordered to wait for escorts to arrive. At 07:00 Armenia finally departed Yalta, accompanied by two armed boats and two fighter planes.
The Germans and their Romanian and Italian allies had only a few surface vessels on the Black Sea; as such, it remained essentially under Soviet control throughout the Second World War. However, in the earlier part of the war the Axis had complete air superiority. Over a hundred Soviet merchant ships were sunk, as were dozens of naval vessels. Only the most heavily armed and escorted ships could travel in daylight with reasonable hope of safety; ships caught alone or in port in the western part of the Black Sea were very likely to be attacked.
Armenia's status as a hospital ship was uncertain. Though her sides and top were painted with large red cross symbols, she had light anti-aircraft armament, had previously transported troops and military stores, and, on the morning of 7 November, was traveling with military escort, inadequate though it was.
At 11:30, about 40 km (25 mi) from Yalta, Armenia was attacked by a Heinkel He 111 medium bomber of 1.Staffel (Lufttorpedo)/KG 28, which dropped two torpedoes. One torpedo missed; the other scored a direct hit. The ship broke in two and sank within four minutes. Only eight people were rescued.
Even by the lowest estimate of about 5,000 dead, the sinking of Armenia remains the deadliest maritime disaster in Russian and Soviet history. In terms of loss of life in the sinking of a single ship, it is often listed as third worst in world history, after the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff and the Goya, German naval ships transporting military personnel and civilian refugees, which were torpedoed by Soviet submarines in the Baltic Sea in 1945.
In 2014, an Australian company GeoResonance claimed to have located the hulk of Armenia in 2005 at a depth of 520m, using an undisclosed remote sensing technique. However this claim has not been substantiated. All three of her Adzharia-class sister ships were also lost during the war.
You can also look up the 1941 attack on the convoy from Tallinn to Kronstadt. Mostly civilians and wounded soldiers were mercilessly harassed by the luftwaffe
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The English may as well be stone statues chasing me.
Thank you!
my fatherinlaw had a lifeboat from gustlov in his backyard for years, no museum wanted to buy it, so it was sent to be scrapped for wood and metal (probably it was used after they war by local fisherman before ending up here) it was scrapped in 2015
WW2 is eternally fascinating.
Thaks a lot guys!!!.....from Chile.
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Good author
Liked and subbed
Dag Hammerschold was asked what he thought of the conditions in post war Europe in 1961. He said: "MPL 906-4/eoj63 ser. 14"
He Makes one feel and see what the tank drivers saw !
Great Steiner
A Question Dr. Citino, Was the "turned away" of Stalin, or the operational freedom for the russians generals the revival of the "depth war"? When it happened? Kursk?
I like Citino even more noticing that he plays 12-string guitar.
My grandmother and her family almost got onto the wilhelm gustlov
A computer mic with a voice gate issue.
The Germans were "Riding The Tiger", as long as you are riding, it is great, but when you want to dismount the Angry Tiger will take control. They were well aware of their own mortality and had no future other than death at Russian hands.
Decades of reading, research, and preparation goes into these talks, and 5 minutes to set up the gear. You guys need mics and an audio technician. The value of the presentation is virtually subsumed by the poor quality audio.
During COVID? Like that is going to happen.
@@pnwesterner6220 I FedEx a Tascam recorder and lapel mic to interview subjects and set it up over Zoom. Not a problem.
Questions were good. Sound was a bit off at points
I'd be nice if this guy's signal didn't cut out every 10 seconds
If you love WW2 history, you live citino
that must have been terrifying hearing the war coming closer
A German who did not fear the Red Army in early 1945 was a German with a serious head injury. 300,000 Russian soldiers died taking Berlin when it was a certainty. These were crazed human beings.
All the excuses for fighting to the end can all be true at the same time. Every man has his own reasons. I can't believe this guy actually asked,(and that citino would venture to answer) what is going through some Danish or French waffen ss volunteers head who would rather die than surrender.
I hate to say this but they should have kept World War one going another month
This would have been a great interview if the audio wasn’t god awful smh
who knew there was a quislng division defending berlin at the end
"Doctor" is a very unusual name. Are you sure it's not your academic title, Rob?
А чего удивляться именам или фамилиям. Вот когда я служил в армии, то у нас в роте был прапорщик по фамилии Студент, а в его взводе был солдат по фамилии Генерал. Так что парадоксы с именами и фамилиями бывают.
Not only was the USSR the adversary after the war. But a lot of people were not going to find out the full extent of Wehrmacht crimes in the East until the USSR collapsed.
26:00 You're not a real historian unless Sir Harry Paget Flashman is gracing your shelf.
our family members fought Russia first and Soviet Union twice , went to Rostov on Don also twice and fought the british and americans but the worst mistakes they had seen were the americans in the battle around the casserine pass and later further norths when they simply fled from the battlefield. The russians were hard to fight and the americans as they always said would loose against the russians cause a democracy can not survive the amount of victims the russian society is willing to sacrifice.
Just to make clear: they can judget about the americans cause a lot became american citizens who also had fought in Vietnam, some of them as former frenchc POW that had gotten the offer to be released but only once they first had served in the french foreign legion. Therefore there are more germans that fought and lost their lives there than americans later . So those who had been there always said that the americans will face a big deffeat and therefore left the vietnam war theater before it had been to late.
And for those who can not remember: Vietnam is just 1 of a total defeat in a long row from iraq over somalia to Afghanistan, all had ended in retreats which is a total defeat by all standards.
Yes, of cause the average american or rather 90% of them will complain and pretend " We never invaded Somalia!"
Which opens a new front or question: Where is Somalia ? Ask Trump and you get the best but wrong answer cause he did not know either but pretended to know : behind the sunset
Which could be some how right or wrong assuming that this would mean not in north america and south america. But the average american has no clue at all about a country somewhere in Asia, or in the Pacific Ocean or rather in the Atlantic ocean this island Napoleon had been incercarate ?
But it is so easy to help the famous americans out: Somalia must be in Hollywood cause only Hollywood can enlighten the average american .
Yes , most will disagree, but what about 3 single words to proof that Somalia must be close to Hollywood to solve the question about a defeat of the USA close to no one knows about or rejects:
black
hawk
down
and all complaints will stop, the voices will stop to protest and in the following silence some cells in the brain start counting 1 + 1 that they know about a thing called black hawk down, but really ? And then out of a sudden the pictures of american soldiers defeated by poor african tribes in the capitol of somalia aka Mogadischu will solve the question - but only the superficial one even though it is telling the answer: USA and mostly any other democracy can not afford victims and bear the casualties long enough to win against russia. Even the nicest new weapon system will show an advantage, but only for a short period of time till the russian will have learned to improve. Better to have a turtle tank than to sit in an american helicopter grounded by the tribes of somalia.
If they and the vietnamese achieved to defeat the americans than the russians will achieve that too. Just a matter of time till the american army will run out of steam and ressources as seen in Vietnam where so many american war crimes had happened and destroyed the american reputation in foreign societies forever . Napalm to attack civilians and burn children which had to be saved in Europe, not by the USA .
Abrams tanks got lost and so many other weapon systems did not outperform the russians for long. Where are the pictures and propaganda about the great storm shadow successes?
The russians have learned a lesson and storm shadow is no longer as successfull as before like the Abrams and the other american systems .
When even a simple soldier says: "What we've done in Russia can't even God forgive us", states that they all knew, they were on a way of no return.
Why is it Brits who always tell Russian History ? I want to hear the Russian version of why England and France were so weak and suffered early defeats.
Love old Germany.
Then you've missed Robert's point.
Ok closn
thanks Dr Citino, my question is: The nazis show preferences on german and austraian about other jews. I read the KristallNacht was a terror campaign, and in the Wansee Conference "the nazis talks about a "Reich judenfrei"". The german jews fight in WWI with Hitler in the same trench, and in a conference Hitler roughly recognize the jewish contribution for german. Different with poland´s jews and others, a relevant Sionist leader meet Hitler asking what Hitler should support the Jewish Land (In british hands at that time), Rosenberg, and others suggest "Madagascar" making jokes about starvation of all jews (ignoring what Madagascar is a tropical paradise and not the Sahara desert). and a second question : Hitler blames the jews "If a world war starts" or ""When the war is almost lost no one jewish will survive", is like a sociophat behaviour, but I understand some "certain nuance" in that horrible issue. Is a nighmare to be a jewish slavic russian, and not to be a german jewish?
Hitler and the antisemitic radicals had the vast majority of German Jews deported and then killed. All it mattered is you was that you were a Jew and the chances of you surviving was extremely unlikely.
@@caryblack5985 There are dossiers talking "the german jewish who fight in the First World War deserves special consideration" The KristalNacht in words of the bloody beast of Reinhard Heydrich had the purpose what jewish run out of the country. Goebbels in 1943 announces "Berlin is judenfrei (no jewish remains)" and was not because the jewish were send to one concentration camp. Esception with jewish part of the "inteligentzia". The rest of jews outside of the Reich will send to General Polish Government.
@@zebazvikle9582 Almost all Jews vin Germany were deported and then killed in various camps. Later when the deportations started no consideration was given to WWI veterans. Consideration was given to Jews married to "aryans" non Jews. Whatever camps they were sent to almost all were murdered.
@@caryblack5985 The sionist congress meet Hitler asking Palestina for german jews. OK the rich ones escape to Switzerland or another countries. The poor ones perhaps is how you say. (remember, the nazis hide the genocide and the german jews were part of society, many like you say married with non-jew (then the nazis offers sterilization of the sons). The nazis looks keep a good image ( read Concentration camp of Theresienstadt). When the monster of the Einsatzgruppen killed hundreds caused horror in the wehrmacht (Blaskowitz is good example, the german general after the war was put on trial in Nuremberg, a huge injustice). The german society will not tolerates the crazy, bestial behaviour. The nazis built the camps in almost unpopulated locations)
Both sucks but Its more nightmarish to be German Jews because they (almost entire nation) believe global Jewish conspiracy theory. For the Russian Jews it just Stalin who hate them.
Theres no doubt Germany suffered its own holocaust in 1945. It wold be prim - not to say callous - to say they "deserved" it - because of course no one deserves that - none of the countless millions of whatever ethnicity or nationality killed needlessly in that merciless war. The war - at least in Europe - was fought to end any German pretensions to continental mastery. That was accomplished - but perhaps too well given the present reluctance of Germany to equip the Ukrainians with tanks in the war with Russia. As a general rule you can almost always count on Germans to make poor strategic decisions. At the micro level Germans are superb - at the macro level - not so much.
How would you have preferred that it end, when they wouldn't surrender
Cali g it Holocaust movie minimizes the real Holocaust. It was brutal total war perpetrated initially by Germany and returned in kind by Russia. Not pretty but not genocide.
@@jasonwiley798 You have to understand that the Allied Casablanca Declaration calling for Germany's unconditional surrender made even anti-Hitler Germans dig in their heels - if the Allies had offered some hope for Germany once the Nazis were defeated the war might have ended with an overthrow of Hitler and negotiations - pure speculation for sure - but who knows?
That was a relic of ww1. Most combatants when they know they have lost surrender. Germany didn't.
@@jasonwiley798 Germany surrendered on May 8, 1945.
I feel like every question was treated like a stupid question.
It's just his style. He assumes we all have spent half a lifetime studying the war
Потому что на большинство вопросов, он не может дать вразумительного ответа. И тут одно из двух : или он тупой баран, или дедуле неприятно на них отвечать.
Fascism rules the way today. Different names and nationalities, but same ideas and policies.
Are you deranged 😂
Every German woman knew what the revenge would look like.
boo hoo
Fuck em
17 million killed Soviet civilians, thousands of villages burned to the ground often with people inside but yes let’s talk about a few German women
@@pyatig Two million raped and many killed with extreme brutality. That is not just a few.
В русской армии ещё со времён царя Ивана Грозного было узаконенно в военном уставе. Ни в коем случае не обижать обывателей вражеского государства. А тот кто всё же начинал грабить и насиловать мирных жителей, то подлежал немедленной смертной казни. Так что немкам не следовало бояться русских солдат.
fucked up sound
fantastic show still
Great language.
@@jeffclark7888 Yes it is. Its very descriptive of the sound issues. One could of added "fucking shitty" to give it a little more punch
I dont recall Hitler eating any chocolate or drugs during downfall? And its Lost Victories not Lost Battles :D
So this guy had no reservations admiring German commanders while they were killing 17 million Soviet civilians but when they start killing their own that’s when he begins to have doubts. Got it.