DIY ULTIMATE Bass Shaker TUTORIAL | Step by Step HOW TO and SETUP
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- Hey guys I'm back with another tutorial and how to. Bass shakers add a huge dimension to our SIM rate racing passion. I cannot speak highly enough about them. I started off with one then moved down to two then moved on to five. It was not an easy road and it took a lot of buying and returning of items to figure out how to actually do it. There's a lot of resources out there but nothing is ever complete. This is my attempt at gathering all the information that I had a difficult time finding. Please please feel free to comment below and ask any questions or any items that I might have missed.
List of supplies :
DAYTON Audio Bass shakers
www.amazon.com...
5.1 External SOUND CARD:
www.amazon.com...
NOBSOUND Amplifier sound card:
www.amazon.com...
3.5 jack Audio Cable :
www.amazon.com...
USB extension :
www.amazon.com...
16AWG speaker wire:
www.amazon.com...
This is great information. It's worth noting that the 12v Power Supply shipped with the Nobsound amp is not enough to get the full 50w output. It's more like 40w. You probably need at least 15v to get the full 50a. I'm not sure what limitations they may have added internally, but the TPA3116 chip is capable of up to 100w + per channel with a 24v power supply. This may not be an issue for most people as some have noted having to turn down the amp because the shakers are too much but remember your experience is going to have a lot to do with how and where you mount the shakers. If you find you're not getting the output you're looking for with this setup, try increasing the power supply on your amp. Here's a rough guide: 12v = 40w + 40w, 15v = 60w + 60w, 18v = 90w + 90w, 24v = 110w + 110w. Minimum 5a output on the power supply. Please keep in mind this is based on the chip they use not the Nobsound product specifically. I'm also not trying to steer anyone away from the Nobsound but there are similar products available for nearly 1/3 price if you're not in a hurry and do some searching. Good luck!
This has to be the most thorough and educational comment I've ever read on my CZcams channel EVER ! I hope that people read through what you wrote. I'm sure that you dabble in this field or you are fully immersed , because everything you said, although new to me, makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to write this. I'm sure this will be helpful to people over time !
Just watched and read your comment, makes perfect sense and thank you both. I've been looking for a good tutorial on this. Brilliant 👏🏽
Awesome comment. Do you have specific recommendations for ones you think would work better?
Oh, was about to bite the bullet with the Nobsound. Can you reco which others I could consider? Sorry, not too versed what to search for. TY
It is always nice if people go out of their way to share stuff like this. Thanks so much for sharing! I won't be looking at making this kind of setup for a while but doing research for months is always better than impulse buying smth like a buttkicker. I want to make the best setup i can while staying within a budget. I would say this video and comment is the best description on how to do it.
This is exactly the type of video I was looking for, as I want to get shakers on all four corners for basically the same price as a single buttkicker. Thank you for explaining everything
You are welcome friend ! Any questions at all...you just reach out. I try to answer every comment....it's not like I have 1 million subscribers. 😂 jokes aside , I love sharing everything I know ;)
There is a huge benefit for haptic feedback when you isolate the platform that your shaker is mounted to from the rest of the rig.
People are talking about isolating their seat and pedal-plate from the rest of the rig and having a huge improvement from the vibrations felt.
if you mount your shaker directly to the seat, then putting even just a rubber washer between the mounting of your seat to your rig and the seat will help a ton, because now the shaker will not have to shake the entire rig anymore and the energy is more localized to the seat.
Thank you so much for this input I will start looking into this !
Exactly what i was looking for ..the time were in now is.. amazeballs!!!
very helpfull vid. i have now succesfully 4 shakers on my rig ... damn this is so much better than without
I am so God damn excited to read this ! This comment right here is why I made the video !!!! Congrats friend !!!
I already have a single butt kicker under my race seat, because of this video I'm going to get what you suggest for the 4 corners 👍😊💯🔥👌
Just bought my 1st bass shaker (bst 300ex)!! Solid video thanks for your help!
I started with no feedback other than what my wheel gave.. I found pace improvement when I switched from a T150 to a T300 and open wheel. I also removed my 150 pedal pair that I'd modded with a home made load cell and put a T-LCM set in. again, more improvements but was missing something. Got a BK2 and mounted it.. EVEN MORE improvement but I sometimes struggle to tell what the car is doing underneath me. I had in my head a plan to bring more transducers to the rig but couldn't figure out how to go about it.
THIS FINISHED what concept I had.. saving this video and planning on completing my shopping list. excellent instruction and explanation. My sincerest thanks to you!!!
This makes me so happy !! I spent so much money and time to get to that point and that setup . I'm so glad I can save you eland everyone else the headache and trial and error !!! Congrats friend !
This is exactly the video I needed. Been looking into this for my rig and as you mentioned. A lot of half information out there in the process. Thank you. I'm now a subscriber. Keep up the great videos. Cheers
Thank you for this guide! I was able to get a 3 shaker system running for my rig - front, seat, and rear. Love it.
The amps came with AUX cables so for anyone buying in mid 2023 you can save yourself a few bucks
I love that it helped !! Enjoy sim racing friend !!!
Thanks again for posting this one! Set my 2 bass shaker setup last night and this guide was incredibly helpful.
I am so glad !! The goal was to share some knowledge and save people the headache if research...
Thank you dude, you were extremely clear, you are very talented to teach, thanks
The best video I've seen on this.
You are too kind. thank you friend
Thanks for the tutorial!!! I needed it
Just discovered your channel. Wow! Fantastic job on putting this together. You really explan things clearly and supporting with graphics (screen capture) makes it that much more clear. Now to watch some of your other videos. Thank you!
Hi Mitch ! Thanks man ...but ...about the other videos...I'm just a silly man having fun in my basement . Lol Don't set your expectations too high. If you want to join our stupidity, please join us on twitch where I'm live every Thursday through Sunday around 9:00 p.m. Eastern
@@DaSimSimma Lol! I've watched them. They are all very informative. (although this one is especially good). I've never used Twitch before, but I will check it out. (I'm not much for watching live streams)
@@DaSimSimma I just stumbled across your video. It was greatly appreciated. Well, explain. I don't know how to do it because I am not by any means. A computer wiz or an electrician.
I will now be a subscriber. And I'll try to find you on twitch.Thank you for your information
This is the best tutorial for me. thank you 🙏
Fantastic tutorial! I want to mount four Buttkicker Mini LFE transducers to my GT Omega Titan cockpit. This tutorial will help tremendously! Thanks!
No problem ! Hope it helps and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions!
@@DaSimSimma Decided to go with 6 bass shakers! One on each corner, one under the pedal plate and one under my seat. Any recommendations on what signals to send to the pedal plate and seat rumbler? I'm thinking ABS + TC to the pedal plate shaker, and gearshifts and engine RPM + shake to the seat rumbler? Thoughts? The corner shakers will handle all the road effects, curbs, tyre slip etc...
Exactly what you suggested !! I have engine and gear shift under seat. If I had a sixth one I would do abs only . That just me ! Remember that it can only do one at a time which means if both are happening at the same time it will have to choose which one to send to your shaker . Am I blend them together honestly I'm not really sure. Regardless if you have too many signals it's not going to feel very good. Additionally, there is a checkbox that gives one thing priority over the other look for it somewhere on the right side.
Going to add mine today. Can't wait
Great job! So well explained and professional video. Thanks!
Thanks Matthieu
This is a great video. Much success to your channel. I will be watching
Thanks so much !!
Excellent quality video, very well put together. About to do this.
Thanks Paul. Very much appreciate your compliment.
woo esta era justo la explicación que yo esperaba muchas gracias eres el mejor y ahora soy un nuevo suscriptor
Love the video! Best out there.
Did you end up making a video about the effects profile by any chance?
what else I wanted to have... I have a Sinuslive bass shaker here, 50 watts. Here in Germany the Dayton is not available via import via Holland...
Greetings and thanks!!
Sweet. I have ordered 2 of those shakers but went with a 4ch marine amp and a 7.1 sound card. Planning to expand in the future. Thanks for the tutorial 👍🏽
Awesome sauce . The main purpose was to inspire and share knowledge. I'm so happy your pursuing this. Please come back and tell us how it turned out !
Why did you choose a 4 channel marine?Amp just had a curiosity.And how expensive are they?What's the difference
4 Channel Bluetooth Amplifier, 50W x 4 Audio Power Amp, Hi-Fi Home Stereo Speaker Receiver [Douk Audio M4] www.amazon.com/dp/B0875WY9TX/?coliid=I7LG4O4BXIXIP&colid=1NGWTJP6QU88P&psc=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_apann_lstpd_8KMQXGNDHVKTEE1XKZXS&language=en_US
This thing's been pretty famous on the forums lately. But clearly it can only do four channels..
OH MY! I had mine set up without the extra external sound card and this is completely better way of doing this (I used a 7.1), even though I have the USB ports available. This just makes for a cleaner install/setup, on the PC & SimHub. Thanks for this! I'm using 4 Dayton mini on the corners and a Buttkicker mini, center seat.
Absolutely my friend . I'm so glad it helped ! If you make any discoveries along the way and it can improve on this further, please come back and share with us ! Thanks again for watching and sharing with us
Hi! I got 4 Dayton BST-1 and buttkicker Mini. Just starting with setup but i dont have a 5.1 sound card. Are you saying to just get the external sound card? Which one did you order? I'm in Canada.
Hi . So exciting !!! I can't tell you which one right now but I should have placed the Amazon link in the description ? I can come back later and add it if I didn't . ( Yes I do suggest that you get the 5.1 surround sound external card. The simplest way to explain it is that the internal sound card can now still output music and game sounds and you can now use this external sound card for game. telemetry. )
@@DaSimSimma Do explain, about the telemetry? I'm currently running 4 Pucks + 1 Buttkicker Mini on seat, 2 Pucks under pedals and 1 Mini Exciter on the brake. Can't drive without them!
Simhub uses the external sound card and all of its channels to route signals to your base shakers. Those signals are based on telemetry. Telemetry is actual information based on numbers. For example, the suspension going over curves creates a vibration up down up down up down, that turns into a vibration at an exact rate that matches. All of your pucks receive information like that from the game. Although it comes across as vibration or sound it's actual physical information from the virtual world about engine vibration gear shifting curb vibration suspension etc. So if you use an external card you're able to send those signals through all those five or seven channels and you can leave your internal sound card to actually pump out beautiful sound to your speakers. The best way to explain it is when you go over curbs it will make a rattling sound which would be extremely similar to the vibration of going over the same curves. But the two are not exactly the same thing. That is why you want the sound to come out naturally in the vibrations to come out to a different sound card slash different channel. I hope that makes sense
Great video! I have 8 shakers placed around my rig, and the immersion is second to none. Along with sim commando. I also used 4 dayton audio and 4 AuraSound. I made my amps from amp boards and mean well power supplies. Once again, great video! It will help others in the future. I didn't have videos like this when I began 8 years ago.
Thank you so much for your compliment ! I didn't have videos like this either about 2 years ago when I started and I was very frustrated having to discover everything on my own ...lol all we can do is share knowledge...others can add on top and we can all improve the craft ! You are awesome 😎, thanks friend !!
@@DaSimSimma Subscribed! Much success to your channel. Just found it! Going through videos now
@@cool4real82 don't look to close ....not proud of everything ...we all grow with time ...you know what I mean ? Hahahah
@@DaSimSimma 😁😁😁
Hi, newbie here with the shakers, just got 5 Dayton BTS-2 (One for the seat and each wheal)... Could you please share just settings, would be great as a base starter ... Would save me lots of time if you do (and learn a lot about it).... Thanks in advance .... Also out of curiosity, where are placed the other 3 Shakers ?
Thank you! Nice rig.
Thanks ! I am really considering this
Good luck Alan! If you need any help please don't hesitate to reach out right here or to my email which is on my about page on my homepage.
@@DaSimSimma Thanks a lot, I might do that as I get a little further on the research :0)
Great, finally explain everything, I have question how you connect regular speckers to PC for music, and how setup in Windows
This video specifically talks about using an external audio card for the same reason you are asking. HOW TO GET OTHER SOUNDS? This tutorial shows how to keep your internal audio card for music and game audio. I do cover the windows set up for the external audio card. For the internal audio card that should play your music and game audio you don't have to set it up you just set it as default. I hope that I am answering your question . Let me know
@@DaSimSimma so as far as I understand, basshaker external soundcard, music internal sound card, what about in settings? Are you choosing external card or internal?
You understood perfect ! In sim hub settings you select the external card . In windows you make sure your regulars speakers are set as default
@@DaSimSimma IT'S WORKING!!!!! Oh my god, finally!!!! Super respect bro, you ROCK!!!
@@ddsracingfl Yeyyy!!!! I love this moment !!! THE MOMENT WHERE WE SHARE , WE LEARN AND WE FINALLY ENJOY !!!Congrats !!!
Most F'n EXCELLENT! Clear quick and concise, thanks for taking the time to detail this big guy it was a big help. How do you like the power of the BST's compared to the BK's?
Most of these shakers are overkill. The power they could put out at full blast would be way too unrealistic to what vibrations you would feel in real life.. personal opinion anyways. Thanks for the compliment and I'm glad this helped !!!
@@DaSimSimma
You're welcome!
I'm in the process of redoing my entire setup, I already have the Clark Synthesis transducer from my old rig and wanted to add some to the corners without going bankrupt.
❤ definitely i need to do this. But it would be great a way to suspend rhe simrig from the floor. Maybe some kind of springs/feet
My buddy who lives in an apartment in New York just texted and asked if those vibrations will be felt by the neighbor underneath....hahahahahahaha .... God bless that neighbor.....lmao
Excellent video. just one small point about Sinhub, At 7:30 in the video you are setting up the abs for your car. But the red symbol of the plug with a line through it means that it is not supported in the telemetry output for that particular game. I use a similar setup in AC and it's really annoying as AC doesn't output ABS or traction control either
You are absolutely correct some of them do not support all of the features. In that instance I was just trying to give an example so I didn't even realize I was adjusting something that didn't work
Very nice turorial
great video, thanks for the tutorial. Quick question, once it's all setup, do you need to have Simhub running while gaming for the speakers to work or can you just turn the sound card on and everything runs as its been set up?
Simhub always needs to be running in the background. That program receives telemetry data from the game and translates it into audio signals. The cool part about it is that it's always running in the background if you set it up the right way. I think automatically from the get-go it setup to run in the background
I have very little knowledge of audio systems so all of this is a bit overwhelming for me, but your video does a great job at explaining how to set everything up. Researching all of this, I have been reading about some shaker systems using telemetry data instead of just audio, and that it is supposed to be better and more immersive. My understanding is that with telemetry you would feel things that would not have created an audio signal. My question is, does Simhub use this telemetry data? I would prefer to build my own system instead of purchasing an expensive product, but I don't want to have limitations in the data the shakers use. I hope that makes sense, and thank you!
Hi friend. The answer is very simple, my tutorial does exactly what you're asking. It uses the Shakers in simhub to do the shaking from the telemetry data not from the audio. It might sound confusing when I talk a lot about audio and audio cards and audio amplifiers but the reality is all that is setting the equipment up to receive telemetry data.! To give you an example when I had a PlayStation 4 I used to use it using the audio which was kind of a poor man's way of doing it. You came to the right place and you asked the right question followed the tutorial by the goods and you'll be one happy customer I've had many subscribers that have reported great results just as I do
@@DaSimSimma Thank you so much!
Wow, amazing video. Thanks for sharing.
I wonder why do you setup the speakers as 5.1 and not only as 5 (without Subwoofer).
I think setting them without would enhance the bass , eg. shaking
Thanks for the excellent tutorial for people who want to start their own DIY setup. 1. Is there an option to use a single 5.1/7.1 channel amp sound card device to power all the 5 shakers directly without the need for adding 3 separate 2 channel intermediate amps? 2. Can you connect the sound card via bluetooth (those w bluetooth built in) instead of the USB cable. 3. Has anyone found an easily available bracket/solution to attach the shakers to aluminum rig?
For the answer to your first question, honestly, I feel really weird about using Bluetooth for something that should react so quickly. Honestly, that additional sound card is super cheap and it only utilizes one USB. As you saw, the amplifiers have their own sound card for a two-channel each, but you don't need to plug those in reducing the amount of USBs. For your second question, there are plenty of brackets available on the internet. I just unloaded a file in 3D printer myself. Unfortunately they are sturdy enough to hold the Shakers but yesterday as I was working on my rig ice gently leaned on one and it completely snapped. So the quality and sturdiness of your print is super important
@@DaSimSimma Thank you! Appreciate the response.
Thank you for all that hard work! It looks amazing!
Thank you Paul ! This was the most graphically intense video that I've made I've been working on it for days. Thanks to Juan for asking the question in the first place
Thank you so much for that amazing tutorial!
This is exactly what I was looking for!
Would love to get a detailed simhub video also!
About the plywood is it working good?
I thought in the way you mounted your speakers in the back is taking away from the experience since they are only half on the wood and wood in general dampens..
Are the vibrating your whole room or only the rig?
The tears transmit barely 25 percent of the vibrations as the fronts do . I need to make ne brakets or find a new way to mount them i.m in the basement Ina purposely built sound proof room with concrete beneath me so in my case nothing transfers outside of that room or outside the rug for that matter
@@DaSimSimmathanks, that’s what I thought.
I think I will order an aluminum plate, drill holes into it to mount the speakers and then 4 more holes on the outside to mount it directly to the aluminum profiles.
That should do the trick.
I have my own house, but I still don’t want my room vibrating.
I think I will first try it with rubber feet that you usually put under mills and lathes.
I have plenty of those laying around from the days I still worked on the shopfloor.
If that doesn’t work I have to build something with springs I guess.
Thank you.
Excellent tutorial, thank you very much!
Thank you for watching. Very happy that it helped !!
bro you are the man THANK YOU for this
Absolutely ! Got any questions ? I'll be right here . I GOTCHUUUU
Sweet man...very useful👍
I'm so glad ! This might not be for everyone but those who want to do this can skip all the headaches I went through 😉
You are a legend sir, Thank You!
You are welcome ! Any questions .... just holler !
Great video love this
Thanks Terrell
@dasimsimma Did you ever do the video concerning the effects profile settings? Thanks! Great video. I just got mine set up last night, but the sound card you referenced needs its own drivers and audio software to enable the jacks to transmit the proper audio on Windows 11, fyi. Took me 5 hrs to figure this out and it's not that easy to find. The SW is Xear USB multi-channel and you need the drivers for the C6206 chipset for the soundcard. These are made by CMedia and some cards have different chips, so check your particular one.
External Sound Card only worked with one bass shaker. I had to instead use the on-board NobSound USB, instead of AUX to SoundCard, before I could get both channels, on the NobSound to work.
Aux to soundcard will only give you one channel....USB to soundcard enables it to have as many channels as the card offers after you set it up correctly . The way you did it works also but the way I explain it has to be followed carefully. I say that because my card gives me all channels . The bottom line is ...it works for you , so that's all that matters ;) . How exactly you got there isn't so important I guess
@@DaSimSimma thanks kindly for the help and response. I would like to go the route you did as I plan to add more bass shakers, so apologies for my ignorance. However, I must have missed something in the video. I went AUX out on the NobSound to AUX in (center bass) on the external sound card and went USB out of the external sound card and USB in on PC. Going this route only gave me output (sound) from one bass shaker. Omitting the external sound card, allowed both channels to work. Is there something I missed when trying to utilize the external sound card, allowing only one channel (bass shaker) to work?
These things are a little bit difficult to understand through text. You can go to my about page and join my discord if you want. You can send me a private message and we can set up a quick call one day to work through this. I'm a visual person I'll need to show you the schematic and then you can explain to me also how you hooked it up. I hope I can help in some way
i have the third buttkicker and again broken, now i am gonna try to diy with 4 bass shakers
Great video!
I have a question.
1.The Bass Shaker only works with the SimHub games. (I don't know what SimHub is, sry)
Or with any games ?? So also play tanks or combat flight ?
I would appreciate an explanation, in simple terms.
2. Another question, do you happen to have any idea how to build a moving seat yourself?
Thank you Thomas
Hey Thomas, Simhub is a program that interfaces between the game and the bass shakers. It basically pull out the sounds and telemetry and sends them to the shakers. Just look it up online and you'll see how many games it supports it supports a lot of driving games and even some shooting games . I think it's simhub.com . Singing does. A lot more than bass shakers. Please vist theyr website and you will see.
As for your second question... unfortunately...I don't I do dream of having one of those but they are very very expensive.
Thank you for the tutorial, this is a great help indeed. Just a small one to understand: if Nobsound can act as a sound card via USB, why do I need an additional external sound card and why can't it be hooked up directly to simhub? Sorry if that was already clarified. I did not find it in the thread.
Each noob sound has two channels and it requires one USB connection. If you wanted to power 5 shakers as shown, you would need to use 3 noobs(for a total of 6 channels) with 3 USB cable connected to your computer. Most of us already have a spaghetti of subs . The separate sound card cleans up the setup and adds all shakers to one card .it's cleaner in every sense of the way . But ...it will work either way !
@@DaSimSimma Thanks for the quick answer. So if I understand correctly this is rather practical than technical reason. Even if I have a spare external USB hub (I do) that I can put away from the computer with an USB cable, I can achieve the same clean setup right? (except that Iii will need to play with 3 sound cards not with one when configuring simhub).
@@IstvanPatonai absolutely correct !
Is there any 3D printed BST-1 mount you tested? I would be happy not to bother with the wood work, but I'm concerned whether the plastic transfers vibration properly and is durable enough against vibration. On the other hand 3D mount seems to be a cleaner setup. Thank you :)
Sorry for the late reply. I actually did purchase a 3D printer and could attempt your proposal. I instantly have doubts about how it would perform just as you said : I could try to print an ABS but even so I'm afraid that it what absorb most of the vibrations. Second, I'm somewhat concerned with durability but only minimally. Stay tuned and I'll report back. I will need a bit of time to 3D prototype print try out and then make a video
really good explanation!! Thanks 🙏✊🏎️
Awesome ! I'm glad it helped !!
Good morning. Are the vibrations correctly transcribed on a plywood panel and what is its thickness? Thank you for this video
Great video! Do they last a year of intensive driving? The shaker, the amplifier and the card?
Great video m8, subbed! 😀👌
Verry helpfull, thx ....
Hi. Thanks for this guide. Very informative. Just one question: You have 5 bass shakers although you have 6 channels active. Why is that?
awesome!!! my sound card is supposed to arrive today!!!
I am so excited for you . Your sim life will change ! Did you learn anything new from this video? hahahah cuz I have a feeling you already figured everything else out as you were waiting for your parts
Great Video…thanks… I replaced 2 Buttkickers for 4 bass shakers. However, the buttkicker seems to react “on the spot” and with bass shakers there seems to be a delay. Any advice you might have? Thanks again…
My goodness...never heard of that . Mine feels instant ...hmmm. sorry bud I have no idea !
As someone that has zero haptics nor have I ever tried a rig with haptics....what's your opinion on 2 bass shakers vs all 4 corners? Big difference?
Asking because I'm about to build this but was wondering the cost vs performance. If 2 bass shakers gets me 80% of the feedback, then I probably won't embark on the 4 corner setup...Thanks!
Not that big of a difference . It's a game and it's fun , stick with 2
Is latency bad if you use the nobsound sound cards with bluetooth connection?
btw thank you so much for taking the time to do this. I lterally went to bed engineering this and found this video today.
I can't believe someone already thought of everything I was thinking about lol
I love that we are nerding out together. I also set out to do this and found out that everyone was giving me partial information as best as they could. My dream was so much bigger so I had to put a comprehensive video together. By the way I don't notice any latency at all! I'm not saying it's not there I'm just saying I literally cannot feel any of it
thank you for an excellent video! Some complained that the $300 Buttkicker LFE vibration is overwhelming. How is your 5-channel setup? Does that make the SIM feel more like a real car?
Of course that absolutely helps. And the cool part about it. If it's too much, you can actually control it in Sim hub and turn the volume down independently on each one. Sometimes I adjust them when I feel like they are too overwhelming. But in general I have them set just nice
Excellent tutorial. I've had two mounted (front/back) for a year now. I'm curious about your mount method with the custom woodwork. Perhaps you can elaborate a bit more on that in another video? My back one is mounted to a VESA plate under my seat and the front is mounted directly to the side frame. Unfortunately, the latter proves to be pretty weak as I can barely feel it. It was under my pedal plate, but the plate is so thick that I felt zero vibrations. Still seeking optimal placement for the front shaker...
I'm so glad that this made sense and is helping you. The best way to explain the wood mount : I basically had nothing lying around but a couple pieces of plywood so I mounted the speaker to it and then mounted the plywood to the rig. In doing so in the fact that the plywood is a little bit flexible it allows the speaker to vibrate on the plywood and the plywood vibrates against the rig. That is how I'm transferring vibrations. To be absolutely clear : I didn't do it on purpose it's just what I had lying around and it turned out to work just fine. You're not the first one to ask how vibrations will transfer. As you experienced, if you mount them
extremely securely to your frame you will get no vibration transfers ; therefore they will be really really dim. I don't think I'm going to make another video to show my shity execution so please go to my community Tab and join my discord. Over there I can send you a dm with pictures to show you in detail how I mounted it.
@@DaSimSimma Argh, this is my 4th attempt to reply to you in the past 6 days (WTF, CZcams!?). I think it's because I was linking to photos of my setup. Anyway, I got the gist of what you did by pausing your video at 1:58. I have plenty of spare plywood and MDF lying around, so I'll see what I can fabricate for under the pedal tray. Thanks!
Bery useful video. Thank you.
What exactly is the purpose of the sound card if the amps already have one built in? My buttkicker runs off of usb signal via the amplifier, nothing in between. Great video anyway, can’t wait to get this setup on my rig.
Maybe I glanced over that part but that is hugely important. If you have a huge same rig like-minded all sorts of accessories you'll utilize every single USB . Salt to use 3 amps with three USBS each it's too much. Going to 5.1 audio cord reduce his all of that down to one single USB it was just a matter of choice and necessity but it's not a must to make this
What about if you have a powered USB hub? I have 13 slot, so it should work, right?
I think it absolutely should !
Appreciate the reply my friend!
Sorry I'm often very busy and I use speech to text. When I go back and read some of my replies, I want to smack myself in the head. I hope what I said makes sense. If you go to my about page on CZcams, you'll find a discord link. If you join our silly little community on discord, you can always reach out to me faster and I'll try to help one-on-one if that's what I need to do
After this setup, can i also do fanatec pedal tactile rumble setup using simhub like this? Also whats the max transducers can i put instead of 5? Thanks
Very nice video and explanation!! Keep it up. One quick question, will it work the same way if I put car speakers instead??
Hi friend ! The sad answer is ...i don't think so.... These tactile transducers take actual audio and turn them into vibrations only. That's not very different than what a speaker does, but the outcome is very different. If you were to hook these up to music they would actually make sound. It would sound really hollow. The cool part is using sim hub as a software. It only sends low frequency vibrations to it. Now, if you were to send the same low frequency vibrations to a speaker you would get similar response. But because the speaker is soft and not encased in metal like this, the membrane of the speaker was just vibrate to low frequency. It wouldn't transmit that shaking to your rig.. I hope that makes sense. Please remember I'm not a pro. I'm just some dude. Take everything I say with a grain of salt ;) ...heck , try it just for fun . Lol
Thank you very much mate!! @@DaSimSimma
When I'm in SIMHUB and have everything setup I can definitely feel the Dayton BS1 shakers move when I hit test. But in the game I can barely feel them. I have everything cranked and on in the "EFFECTS PROFILE."
I'm not sure that this will help but there is a feature somewhere that allows you to turn up or enhance the LFE channel. Basically referring to a low frequency. I hope I'm not full of shit or remembering something wrong but I do recall seeing something like that. In general what you're describing doesn't sound very normal. So I wonder if there's another issue.....hmmm 🤔 sorry I cannot be of any help :(
What about mounting directly to the seat? Improved detail? Less sound for wife?
I have one mounted underneath the seat because it makes the engine noises and transmission shifting. A lot of you refer to these as making noise but the reality is they don't make any noise at all they just vibrate the problem with vibration is that if it vibrates against something that's loose it will create a noise obviously. Now, everything that I have is in a basement on a laminate floor which is on top of a concrete floor. So unfortunately I'm not the best guy to talk to you about noise. Also, my sim room is highly soundproof that's the way we built it for exactly that purpose to try to isolate.. with all of that set I still get complaints about my music being a bit too loud when I stream lol
Thank you. Awesome video. I am planning to do 4 shakers.
Question: for the small amplifiers, do you have to turn the sound knob on them to 100 and then just tune outputs through sim hub?
Absolutely correct !! Good luck friend . If you run into any issues go to my community tab we have a discord join and holler at me anytime I will try to help you. I hope another fellow simmer today and it worked out perfectly!
@@DaSimSimma Have you had any issues with the amps overheating at 100%. I followed your video and have the exact same setup. Been using it for about a month now and the other day I grabbed the amp for some reason after playing for about an hour and they were to hot to even hold.
Hmmm....now I'm worried...lol mine are tucked away out of sight and out of reach so I guess I'll never know. But let me put it this way, and don't hold me to this I'm not an electrician : hypothetically if you followed my setup 100% we should have arrived at the same result. Therefore, nothing's happened to mine which I hope nothing will happen to yours. I very weary on giving you exact advice with electrical components God forbid you have a fire. I'm sorry friend I want to say that everything is fine but you shouldn't trust me please keep looking into it
@@DaSimSimma Thank you for such a quick response. As your video is the most recent setup video of this type I followed your instructions. I am curious if yours heat up at all. I am going to look into different amp options if turning the power down on the amps and the gain up in simhub doesn't improve things.
amazing.....would have liked to see a couple more seconds on how you mounted them to your rig. i.e. vesa or some wood you mentioned. And judging by your accent, sounds like you are in Miami.
The best way I can describe it is imagine a rectangular piece of laminate or plywood. Screw the base Shaker directly onto that with small screws because the base shaker has four holes one at each corner. Then take this new contraption you built drill two holes into it and screw that into the aluminum rig. Basically creating a diving board like device that hangs off of your rig the vibrations will move the wood and that whole motion will transfer through the aluminum.
Wow thank you very much for the detailed tutorial this will come in handy.. would you mind helping me with something, as this is all very new to me,I have just bought a simple setup to use on my PS5 and play seat challenge x, basically I bought 3 of the mini Dayton TT25 8ohm transducers and the Nobsound mini Bluetooth power amplifier with built in sound card which is 2channel and 50w and 4-8ohm.
My plan was to have one of the transducers (8ohm) under my pedals, then two transducers a on my seat, but running in parallel which I think then halves the ohms so each transducer would be 4ohm, is this safe to do I don’t want to blow out or destroy anything, any help you can give would be greatly appreciated..👍
Hi Marc , I was knowledgeable enough to wire this up and make a video trying to help other replicate my journey . But my knowledge stops there . I literally have no idea about ohms . That the danger with making a tutorial video : I placed my self in a perceived position of knowledge , truth be told , it was temporary and localized . Jokes aside , maybe the great sim racing community will step in to answer . Or go join SIM RACING SETUPS on Facebook . It a great group with over 70k members . Guaranteed they will have an answer !!
@@DaSimSimma thank you buddy I will go check them out, I appreciate your reply.. happy racing 👍
Thank you so much for this excellent tutorial! As you said a lot of information is scattered, never found one complete tutorial.
One question: would this work without the external usb soundcard by connecting the amps to the mainboards soundcard? My mainboard got a unused 5.1 onboard soundcard, meaning the 5.1 chinch connections are unused at the moment. Thanks again for your work!
I'm so sorry for not responding earlier. You absolutely can. The only reason I don't use it is because I actually use it to pump out 5.1 surround to my speakers in my room. But if you are not using it, you should absolutely get sound out from that and cut out the external sound card! My apologies again for the super late reply
@@DaSimSimma No reason to excuse, thanks for the additional information! 👌🏻
Thanks for this, it helped me straightaway with my single baseshaker, however now with two I'm struggling a bit. With two of them, I have set one up on the brake pedal and asigned lock and abs to it. For the second one, on my seat, I've planned to do all acceleration feedback - wheel slip, TC. So far I'm struggling with the LMDH, as it's vibrating even on upshifts, even though I have only asigned the mentioned effects. Does the effect spatialisation have any influence on how the channels perform? If I have only two, should I set them to dual modes - like L/R, or F/R, or just Mono?
The Front/rear dont work for me. I use the 8 channel Setup (but actually only use 2 Channels in it)
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Thank you for this info.
I will almost definitely be setting this system up. may do it piece by piece though just due to cost.
Question: if using an external soundcard, do I still get 'normal' sound through my plug in speakers?
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Hi friend ! Good luck on your build . Ps using an external card will absolutely save your internal card so it can play PC and game volume ! You can have multiple sound cards on a PC you just have to assign them accordingly
thank you.
Now to do some purchasing research lol@@DaSimSimma
Awesome tutorial man! Much appreciated. Can you elaborate a bit further on the volume dial on the amps themselves? Do you have them turned all the way up, 50%, etc? Also, do you find the 50w per channel is sufficient from the Nobsound? I've read some things about them getting hot. Originally I bought a Fosi amp to drive 2 BST-1's, but really like your setup and will likely go to 5 as well. Would be much more cost effective for me to go with the 3x Nobsound's than the $85 Fosi's. Thanks again man!
My amps have plenty of power for my shakers. 50 watts is plenty adequate. I also turn them ALL THE WAY UP, then I can control their volume independently from simhub. In there, there are volume options . I hope that helps! Thanks for watching friend !!
@@DaSimSimma Perfect, answers everything I need to know! Thanks a ton!
@@DaSimSimma Having an interesting issue, maybe you ran across the same thing? Just testing my shakers before I install them, and they are barely noticeable. No shaking, no rumbling, I can barely even hear the music coming through them. I am testing them through the same Nobsound amp, and running music through my phone just as a test. I have tried 2 amps and 3 shakers now and same thing across the board. Wondering if maybe the PSU is underpowered?
@@lorenajamil7759 I'm not a professional at this but I'll do my best so here it goes : those things are not supposed to put out sound they do because I've heard it before but they're looking for low frequency vibration or signal. So don't be surprised if the music is really low. Second of all, please make sure to turn up your noob sound amp volume all the way up. If you've done so I apologize but sometimes it's the small stuff. Third, check to make sure that the sound card that is assigned to output any sort of volume has the volume all the way up. I know you said you're using your phone but honestly I'm not sure that's a way to test it. Just give it and I'll put from the computer and test it properly to see if you can put out some vibrations from simhub that's the only way to know
Thanks for this video.
You're welcome
Hi, great video, congratulations, I have 1 question to ask,
why didn't you use the 5.1 PC audio output?
instead of using the external sound card...
then I would like to ask is it possible to put your sim hub settings in an export file here on CZcams?
to be able to download all thanks friend
excellent video
Someone talked about the same thing 2 days ago . But unlike you you . He. Just just assumed that I was stupid. ...lol the real reason is because I actually use my 5.1 surround sound. I have a custom-built sim room where i run surround sound and I blast it crap out of it . Unlike a lot of people I don't play with headphones , I like to feel the full-blown sound and bass from the subwoofer. Adding an external sound card enables me to retain my original one on the back of the PC
Let me export my settings but please remember that my settings will be specifically setup for a 5.1 external surround sound with six or more channels. Let me drop the configuration file on a Google drive and then share the link here. Let me know if it works . It's going to be a couple hours from now as I am currently at work
ok thanks@@DaSimSimma
Since we're at it, I'll ask you another question :)... do the bass shakers necessarily have to have contact with the wood or can they be attached directly to the aluminum profile, thanks brother
@@DaSimSimma hi friend,do you remember to put the file, thanks
I hear a 2 shaker setup- 1 under seat and 1 under pedal tray does the job equally well. The 4 corner don't add much to the experience as aluminium doesn't transmit vibrations very well. Is that so? What is your opinion?
There are many factors to this whole thing but in general you are correct. This has come up on this channel before . I have my shakers mounted to plywood, and the plywood cantilevered off the aluminum rig. Trust me I can feel it . If you mount the m directly and tight to the rig you might now feel them but again...I haven't tried so I can't tell. One thing that becomes hard to tell but it's not completely gone , is telling left from right , especially in the heat of a race . Again, mounting to wood than wood to metal did it for me ( but they have to hang off a bit like a spring board )
I subscribed. Thanks again. Do you have suggestions for affordable wind simulators?
Sorry for the late reply. I was aware of a few mainly through etsy. There's another guy that had his own website. But that was two to three years ago and I decided not to go with any of them. Sorry I honestly don't remember any of it now. :(
I have a nice bug with a g920. When i plug in the AMP the wheel has only 50% break and throttle power 🤣
What in damnation ???!!! Hahahahaha I'm not laughing at you I am laughing at how odd that is.. I'm not an electrician but my best guess would be some sort of interference or bare wire somewhere touching ?
@@DaSimSimma No its a bug i can reproduce.
@@DaSimSimma After hours of testing... one shaker has a problem and is the reason for the bug. without the shaker all works well 🤣
My only issue with the Nobsound amps was that they appeared to overheat and shut down. I replaced them with Fosi amps.
I didn't have that problem at all and I have been cranked off but I've heard this before
Awesome tutorial brother! Just have to ask you, “who got the keys to me my bimma?”
Been at this for A WHOLE YEAR !!! How can you be the FIRST one to hit me with this ??? Hahahah is me mon ! What gwan brethren?? Ya Mon ! Bumba clat!!! Hahahah ok I'll stop now , welcome to the party. If you need a ride, the keys are on the counter 😜
@@DaSimSimma hahaha man I was in a reggae band for 15 years. When I saw your tutorial and name, that’s the first thing I sang.
@@WTNZ4JC I have the dumbest history with reggae dancehall ...I was walking through downtown Miami when I was a teen many ages ago and some dude was selling dancehall mixtape cassettes. I picked one up and have been a dancehall head ever since ! From Pon di river pon di bank all the way to Jah Cure , Mavado, Capelton and the rest ! It's a life style .
Got the BST1, 5 of them, i am using your tutorial to set them up.
The thing is that i messed up the amps hence i got ones that are only amps without sound cards,.and the 5.1 soundcard is a small usb model. I have tried to set them up, but for same reasons only the USB is working, and the pc audio souns card is getting disabled.
Can you explain how to have both pc sound card to play games or pc sounds, music etc ans the bass shalers to do their intended job?
Every time i try, i end up heaving only one of them working.
Advice please.
Thank you so much for tutorial for noob like me. You are helping so many people. Do i still need external sound card even if motherboard has built in 7.1 sound?
You are very welcome. That is why I made the video because I struggled for a long time. The answer to your question is, of course you can use it. But imagine what happens then? If you're using the sound card to put out vibrations through your base shakers, then what actually puts out sound for you to hear? Once you use your internal sound card to put out vibrations to the speakers, then you will no longer be able to use it to hear sound out of your game. It's one or the other. That is why everybody gets an additional sound card or uses the sound card that's part of the amplifiers
@@DaSimSimma Can i still able to use with headphone ? Thank you so much
Please understand that I'm not a professional so take everything I say with a grain of salt. I think you can still use the headphones if you assign the sound card to the bass shaker
This is very informative. I do have a few questions. So the Power Amplifier cards plugs into out channels of the VAlinks USB 2.0 External Sound Card with 3 3.5mm Audio Cables. I have a 5 speaker plus subwoofer loitech 5.1 surround sound speaker system coming off pc PC sound card jack right now. So will I be able to run the 2nd VAlinks USB 2.0 External Sound Card at the same time? I know silly question but, I don't know. I would also want to try and run the seat bass shacker off iracing LFE for wheel slip but, that looks like it might be mapped through Simhub with just that channel depending how it's setup. This is great and not as much as running a butt kicker system with all 5 shakers. I just Subcribed to your channel so happy I ran across it!
Hi friend ! You are asking the same questions I did and when I didn't know anything about this topic . My fear was to purchase things that were incompatible and would have loose money as I learned .The cool thing is I have some information others have information we can all gather it together and create facts !!! Lol now back to your very simple question , the answer is : yes you can!!! It becomes its own thing ! Independent of the sound card that's powering your 5.1 system! Ps I have the same setup ;). This new sound card will not be assigned as your default communication device but it will be sitting there in the background active. Sim hub will be the only one assigned to tap into it . Therefore , no conflict ! You keep your beautiful 5.1 and gain a card for shakers !
And thank you so much for the compliment and for subbing . You are awesome . Anything I can do , you just reach out !!
1 x BST-1 is 4 Ohms, is it fine to hook up 2 x BST-1s to Nobsound which results in a 2 Ohm load (Nobsound is 4~8 Ohm)?
Ohh my goodness...I have no idea ...lol I just figured out how to hook them all up and make them work. But please don't ask me the technical details and if one will work with the other, etc. It's a bit embarrassing to admit that I know how to hook all of it up with my eyes closed, but I have no idea if it's going to blow up. Just being honest. Remember just cuz you see it on the internet doesn't mean it comes from a professional. I'm just some dude having fun in his basement lol
so you have used that 16GA of the cable right? Isn't even thin?
Maybe I'm missing something but I've already got one Nobsound with two transducers, why would I need a 5.1 soundcard when I can simply add another one?
I cover this in the video and it's the number one. Ask questions in the comments below . Lol
Great Tutorial! Congrats! Queation - i read thag I can fry the transducer with the amp if I give it much power? How can I adjust that or just keep them safe? Where should I put the nobsound "wheel" on the front (i dont know the qorj for the tool in ftont of the amp). Thank you! 🙏
There are two parts to this answer. The first part is the noob sound doesn't put out enough power to fry it. The second part is i've been running mine for over two years with the dial turn at maximum. Please remember this turned it maximum you are simply telling it that it can receive all the power which it can handle. The second part which we should not forget is that you can control the volume or how hard they vibrate from the SIM hub software. So, if you turn down the volume in simhub you will get less vibration therefore it will use less wattage. To be very clear, I've been using it turned all the way up every single one of them for the last couple years. And if one of them breaks Please remember that one of mine actually broke and I have to buy another one so don't get worried, expected. These are very cheap items made in very large volumes in China so we must be aware of that.
@DaSimSimma Appreciate the answer. I might get 2 more just for safety and test variations for transducers on different places out of the corners. I bought 5xAura and one Dayton tt25 for brake pedal eventually. The dayton is 15w. Do you think I should go for full power on the amp and adjust it on simhub? Short answer sound like that but as long as one is not used with that gear questions are always there! Thank you, grat channell by the way 🙏
Hi, i have the exact same setup as you. However, when i activate bass shakers on Simhub, i can t have the original sound in my ears. It s either the sound is through the transducers either through my headphones. Can you help ? thank you
That is why I did a external sound card. It's very much likely that you are using your sound card to put out vibrations to the base shakers. If you do that then the sound card cannot be used to put out sound. You're probably trying to use the same thing for two different actions and it's not going to work. You have to use the noob sound itself as a sound card or get an external sound card like me
@@DaSimSimma I have one external sound card where my 6 bass shakers are connected and a ouput (headphone), my question is how to copy the sound in the transducers and the headphone without using any softare like simhub or voicemeeter. There is a jack output on the external sound card but as @masjean9811 said, the sound is on the transducers or the headphones, not both in the same time.
Great guide ,any info for what is the requirements for PC running SimHub desktop client? As I am going to use PS5 & Simhub on PC . thanks
Simhub will run on any PC no specs are mentioned. The load isn't that great . Another gentelman here just recently commented on using it on PC and PS5 together but he spoke of finally giving up . Maybe hit him up in the comment bellow ? He just chatted a few days ago.
It was @fatherwarrior or similar ...I am probably misspelling it but going from memory
@@DaSimSimma thanks
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I’d like to do thing like this with my home theater. Any ideas on how to send an audio signal simultaneously to the sound card and also through HDMI of the graphics card?
Theoretically, you could use the HDMI into a surround sound receiver then from there, pick up the low frequency / subwoofer output and use that for your home theater base shakers.
just wow!!! 2 days ago I sold my motion platform, and moved to Buttkicker Plus, 450€ 🤯but yesterday after watching your video, ordered everything and hopefully I can start building it from tomorrow. first, I had to replace Dayton with AuraSound AST-2B-4, as it wasn't available, second, I got 6 of them, is it possible to do it with 6? so the sixth one is under the pedals and will connect to seat nobsound. hopefully what I am saying is correct.
Ok, first thing I got wrong was about the pedals, I wanted to put it under the pedal plate, but after reading comments, I will put behind my brake pedal, so I ordered this Dynavox EXC-25 and it is small enough to be easily mounted (ha ha easily), btw how your rig stands? I mean the layer between your rig profile and the ground, I am thinking to use the Spring Isolator, for now my rig has the rolling wheel.
Hey friend, sorry it took me so long to reply. yes you can absolutely do six!
My rig is also on casters so I can pull it out from the room. I like to clean around thoroughly at least once a year and then rerun my cables. I have a bad habit of continuing to buy stuff so then I have to continueasly redo the wiring. I think those smaller shakers should make sense. I actually just bought a set of pedals from fanatec and I think they have shakers included in them. I will install them this upcoming week. There's been a lot of comments below as you can see and some people allude to the fact that if you have too many shakers in your mount them to a profile rig that you won't feel anything. There's a bit of truth to that but where are you mounting and how you mount them makes a big difference. I'm able to discern where the vibrations coming from. But yes, with that many you're just going to have to get used to it. You also have to set them up properly in the sim hub software. Lastly, you sold your motion platform? Why did you do that? I'm working so hard to save money and buy one lol
Top shelf vid, earnt that like and sub fo sure.
Thanks brother ! Any questions : holler !
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I can't find the configure option on windows 11, then when i go into simhub and test them.i cna only get 1 or 2 working at one time