Slip Angle Haptic System on Springs
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- čas přidán 14. 03. 2024
- This sim racing 4 corner haptic system from Slip angle actually works great particularly in combination with virtual reality! Almost the perfect experience.
find more for the system here- www.slip-angle.com/
find great explanation of the perfect settings for haptic system here- • Tuning Shaker Kit with...
My setup
Motion platform- qubicsystem.com/product/qs-210/
wheel base- Simagic Alpha Ultimate, Moza R21, Simucube2 Pro
pedals- VNM Lite, Simagic P1000 Simgrade
SQ Shifter- SG, Heusinkveld and VNM
Handbrake Simagic
Wheels- Cube Control, V-PGT, Soelpec etc
Displays mostly self made
Buttonbox Precision sim engineering, SimCore and Apex Sim Racing
PC- Intel I9, RTX 309 - Hry
Hello my friend, it’s the 38 year Flight Simulation guy again. As always I really enjoyed this video, but the best parts for me was hearing you remind people many times that Less is more. Great job..!
It is so true brother 💪
Your advice was priceless 🤗
@@chepilevski I’m really glad to have helped you enjoy racing even more. Thank you for the reply. 😀
I have the same kit, a buttkicker pro under my seat & I used slip angle effect on high priority for a f4 season in iracing and to be honest that was like a cheat code to finding the limit of the car. I can't drive without these transducers now lol they make the rig alive
Great video as always bud! Bass shakers completely changed my rig. ❤
Nothing is more gratifying then sharing your experience with your best friend , i remember the first time my best friend put on my VR HMD.... he was over the moon... unfortunately my best friend parted soon after ... ;-( . that said .... i should put a butt shaker in my 3DOF...
Sorry to hear that brother 😔
Shared experiences are the best, isn’t it
Hey man, great video as always. It's like you are reading my mind. I was eyeballing this kit for a while now and voila, you are making a video on it. I also was on the fence for the R16 V2 base, but after using it for a month and some now, I realize I made a bang on choice. You make a Sim World a better place, no bullsh.t, no sponsored words... Just pure honest and realistic feedback. Keep at it my friend, for us, passionate hobbyists. 😉
Much love brother 🤗
Thanks for the supportive words and best wishes for the weekend 🍻😃
I was an early adopter of their system back when they only had the 4 channel amp. The upgrade was a night and day difference in giving me feedback that I wasn't receiving before. I added a 5th shaker to my TR80 under the seat with another 50w amp so I could use it specifically for engine and shifts. The new 6 channel is a nice update and leaves room for expansion. I will parrot what others have said, they are a great company to work with when it comes to customer service, they replied quickly and answered all the crazy questions I could come up with.
Thanks for the feedback buddy 🤛
Comment section is way more important then the videos itself 🍻
If you look back at RD forums to a thread I created, you will find this type of spring and the original amp was something I shared with the community several years ago. They even used originally the M4 amp, that again was a product I recommended to the community. Best part about this product is the spring kit. This new amp with 6 channels they are offering, it is just too expensive guys. For comparison, the Nobsound M5.1 (HiFi 5.1) amplifier by Douk Audio, is rated at 6x50W for $179 and includes 6x input/outputs. So perfect to power upto 6x budget transducers or exciters. @@chepilevski
Thats what im actually thinking to do coz i have 1 buttkicker and thinking to put under the sit. Slipangle on for corners for curbs and road feel only. Then buttkicker for gearshift and engine vib. How you liking the 5 shaker set up? Can you distinguish the 4 corners still with one under your seat?
@@Jmab-rv7jc Yes, the 4 corners are distinctly different from the one under the seat. I also only use engine and shift inputs for the seat in SimHub, with the 4 corners handling road feel, and the shakers on the pedals handle ABS and slip.
Big shout out from Bulgaria. Keep up with good work. You are a legend 🙌
Have a great weekend Jorka 😁🤗
I've been using a 6 channel haptic transducer seat cushion (U-shake6) for AMS2 for 6 months now and it gives me valuable information and immersion when tuned correctly. I've transferred the ground rumble effects and engine RPM from my wheel to the seat cushion which gave more clarity for tyre grip information on the wheel. I wish I had the space in my home for a full motion rig/multiscreen setup but I'm quite happy with my little sim racing immersion bubble using VR and haptics seat cusion. Amazing how there's so many options for sim racing nowadays that suites personal requirements. We also can't forget to thank Simhub that brings the all the strange hardware to life!!
You're such a wholesome guy. I wish you all the best!
Much love brother 🤗
Excactly, less is more. Kurbs, shifts and a little engine vibration is perfect for me. Looks like your friend is enjoying it 😁😁🤌🏻🤌🏻
"I just finished watching your video and I must say, it was truly amazing! The amount of valuable information you provided was very impressive . I have been considering making this purchase for over a year, but I was hesitant due to the lack of reliable information available. However, after watching your video, I feel confident in my decision to finally make the purchase. Your video has been incredibly helpful and informative, and I appreciate the time and effort you put into creating it. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and expertise!"👍
I’m so glad to read your post man 🤗
Happy to know my videos helps out there 🍻
I only have a sub woofer under the seat of my homemade rig but it makes a gigantic difference. If it's not on, I can't drive. I can only imagine how awesome having that kit would be!
Those vibrations make different indeed bro 💪😃
Oh, I see you are using the same professional tools to lift the rig, when installing feet, like I do! 😂 👏 have a good Sunday, Chepi and thanks for the video! 💪
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Creativity is our best friend bro, isn’t it 😁
Much love and best wishes for the Sunday in your new place 🍻
@@chepilevski exactly! I love it when creativity meets spare parts and you can diy! 😊💪 thanks man, life is amazing here. 😍
I have the slip-angle kit and it's awesome!
Happy to hear people are enjoying it buddy 💪
I have this kit with RS Mega + motion. I love both together. I only use the slip-angle for road, tires, directly through iRacing, then a buttkicker for engine rumble and shifts through SimHub.
Do you think the iRacing software gives faster response buddy?
I have to try adding the shift effect on iRacing LFE
@@chepilevski I do think the iRacing LFE has lower latency and that's why I chose to use it for tires, road texture, ABS, as that would have more impact on my actual driving vs engine and shift which is still awesome but I moved those last 2 effects over to the buttkicker where I won't notice the latency.
Hello, I would appreciate your advice how you set up RS Mega+ together with the slip angle kit. Do you mean both simultaneously, or do you have to choose one and disable the other? Thanks
Great vid and perfect timing! I’ve been researching these and was on the fence, they are now back on the wish list. If there is anyone with great ACC settings they’d be happy to share having somewhere to start on simhub settings for noobs like me would be great!
What a great thing to add to a rig
It is another experience for sure 😃
I have the older 4 channel system, the isolation works really well especially in a flat, it was a really great addition to the sim and immerse you so much in VR.
I used simhub a lot at first and found some good settings that worked well but recently tried to only use the iracing LFE setup, it's only 2 channel so you loose the distinction between front and back but you can still use the 4 channels with a splitter and because the effects depend a bit more on the physics, it works a bit better in some cases
I’ve heard the LFE is bit faster in response, did you found that same feeling or is placebo?
Enjoy it 🎉
I have been using this 6 channel kit for about 5 months now and yes it is a game changer!! I have ZERO regrets picking it up and would do it again. I loved it so much that I bought 2 of the mini shaker kits for the throttle and brake pedal. As much as I love this kit... buyer beware of a few things. 1. The rig (TR120) sits super low to the ground making it a little bit more difficult to get in and out of. 2. The rig when trying to catch snap oversteer, it tends to rock the rig from side to side. Only feels bad in extreme cases but it is there. 3. Simhub setup is really really time consuming. I can honestly see someone giving up trying to find comfortable settings. Also this must be done on each individual sim title. Yes settings can be copied over, but tuning is necessary for each game. (AMS2 had the best default setting IMHO). Drifting in Assetto Corsa took me a while to find good suspension settings that would not trigger when moving from a stop. Information is a little hard to find on what everything means (settings wise). 4. If your room floor is not level or the springs are not adjusted correctly, you will feel the difference. For the longest my right side was stronger than the left. The amp output knobs were all set the same but I later realized the rig itself wasn't level. I have since switched back to the TR120 adjustable feet and Im happy with it. Doing this, I lost some pronounced feedback and its a bit harder to tell which shaker is activating. This is offset by what you see on screen so its not a big deal. Also the feedback is more uniform than before. WOW I didnt mean to type this much but I want people to understand what will happen when you pick these up. Stop waiting, pick them up. I promise you will love it!!!
What a great post 🤛🍻
I wish I could install this kit, but I have a non profile NLR GTTrack, wooden floor and my rig is in a more less open space --> so this is a triple NOPE. I really enjoyed the scene in the kitchen. Not sure what it was but it made me hungry either way. 🙂
Cheers.
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I was thinking all day long for the moment we will get the job done and seat on the table 😁
you can kinda improve the delay of the bass shaker for abs etc by making the curve in simhub more agressive at the start
Thanks for the advice brother 🤗
Great video as always. I've watched for years,sim racing is doing so well these days. Sold my gear apart from a base when we had to move out temporary, about year or so ago. Now I'm in the market for new gear, you really see how much its grown. How cheap its got. Dual clutches when I got my gear were £1k each, £300 now. Open eco systems. Fanatec who for cheap wheels. Got a good profile with inverted pedals for £615, beast of a base for £900, great looking pedals for £800. When i got my pedals, best was sprints. Sim racing feels cheaper and more options than ever. Companies create good wheels at cheap prices, im forced to buy more wheels. I no longer think sim racing is expensive.
It is absolutely crazy how far the industry of this hobby have gone man 😃
So much growth 💪
It's good to have friends!!
Use iRacing’s inbuilt LFE to remove delay. It’s not as detailed as Simhub and you can balance multiple shakers but there isn’t a delay (any I can feel) and the effects themselves are so much better.
Try slip pitch at about 70-80 and change curve for when you want it to kick in I use it for wheel spin and lock up keep up your good work awesome mate
Sounds interesting 🤛
Thx buddy 🍻
@@chepilevski my curve is on about 90-95 before it kicks in otherwise it's just annoying it does help to set up car eg camber and toe
I've recently had an upgrade to my rig making it a motion rig and didn't cost a single penny. All you got to do is spend more time driving and doing less around the house, then your better half gets really annoyed and becomes your personal motion control, she'll shake you until she gets burnt out ahaha.
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That’s dangerous suggestion 😂
Lol no way was just looking at these, perfect timing
Love your videos. Watching your videos made me invest in my first pc rig. Would you recommend getting slip angle kit if already have butt kicker mounted under seat. I have simagic p2000 pedals with haptic on pedals, windsim and buttkicker. Is it worth getting slip angle kit. Thanks
Thanks for the kind words buddy 🤗
I think having that kit with the buttkicker under your seat you can get some extra lear of information particularly more directional coming from each corner if you choose wisely the effects and frequency!
I don’t think is going to be like completely new experience like putting first time haptic on a rig but having few more effects can make it bit better I believe🤛
If nice and money are not problem it may worth I guess 😁
Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍👍
As always pleasure to watch your review👍👍👍👍
1:16 How much angle do you use for triples ? It seems almost like 90 degrees from this perspective 😮
Anyway Glad to see your vids again ! 👍👊
😁 I’m at 50 deg bro but probably the curve of the monitors make it look more aggressive 🤛
With a motion house 2UN 2dof seat, is this system worthwhile at all? Thanks for a great intro video.
awesome piece of kit!!! want it for my birthday, but the question is, will this work with Sim-Lab P1 - XPro? My main concern is that the rig is too heavy....
I run the kit on my TR120, just crank up the amps I run at like 80%. Less used to be more until my rig became a few hundred pounds with motion.
@@matthewdickerman3142 Thank You for info. )
Great video as usual. Great to see how adults become kids with these products. I am looking at buying this vs RS MEGA+ actuators. What do you think?
Thanks buddy 🤛
I haven’t tested RS Mega+ but it looks like next level buddy.
For sure will bring way more 🤛
@@chepilevski yeah, I thought so and even though it’s more expensive, it’s not such a long way for what looks like a much more immersive experience. You’re using the qubic system right?
@@YMSimRacing yes buddy, I have the QS210 on my rig
I had to see this one again as the springs do look to give a bit of motion to the rig. Is it just vibration or does it slightly move? I was thinking about a diy motion mod with 2 wiper motors but these actually look impressive
May I ask how much movement you get from the springs or does it just vibrate the rig more? It looks like there is a small amount. I run 4 Dayton transducers and prefer them on the lower end with only and few setting turned on but, always looking to improve my Sim experience. Keep up the good work. Anytime time you want to fly to the US and install motion on my Sim Rig your more than welcome. :)
Hi bro
The movement comes from the our body weight while driving and the springs job is to send back the vibrations to the rig and not speed to the floor 🤛
They looks like do really good job of keeping it in the frame.
I have the kit and I would honestly keep the springs on even without the shaking if my amp broke. It feels so much like the squash from sitting in a car that it gets you in a driving mood even before the shaking starts.
It's interesting to see that you don't use the Tire slip effects. I thought that those would make the most sense. Any way you have some suggestions for a Buttkicker PRO ? For some reason it's hard for me to find settings that simulate realism, while assisting in better lap times. I always just feel a big disconnect between sim and realism. And I know, that there are lot of things missing to actually achieve close to realism feels, and should keep my expectations onboard, but I really only mean realism coming out of haptics,wheels and pedals.
Thank you!
Man, I use them on my motion rig and they are so helpful to understand how the tires behave something I can feel trough the wheel well.
I have to give it a go😁
I did this 12 years ago. There's a huge thread on GT planet from back in the day. I had set it up with a very slight pivot so that there would be weight transfer under braking load.
I wouldn't be surprised if they got inspiration from me. I've had a full cockpit for 10 years and many CZcamsrs have taken bits and Bob's from my rigs.
That’s awesome man 💪
This haptic world makes huge difference 🤛
@mayamanign - what do you mean "set it up with a very slight pivot"?
LESS is more, when you have hardware that is limited at producing a wide range of frequencies like the BST1 and many other budget transducers. MORE is possible when we use specific hardware that increases the felt and usable dynamic frequency range. While this is a good entry level product for people to consider, its a long way off what is possible with tactile my friend. @@chepilevski
The truth is, several people in the community have done things with tactile over the last few years well beyond what sim companies are selling. Not only that but none of the most popular Sim channels even cover this topic regards tactile immersion, beyond what products they get sent to review.
I also had a cockpit over 10 years ago and recently got back into sim racing, while this was around back in the day I would say the tech is a lot better now as sims are aware of LFE and apps like simhub did not exist back then. Back then it was just bass shaking, everything got amplified where today you can break all that out into individual channels and only get haptics on the effects you want to feel. It's night and day IMO, it's an actual tool for simracing now vs just immersion. It's a great time to build a new rig, these things have gotten way better at a much cheaper price point.
0:34 guided, not bad, that should turn it into something good.
That's a little bit different than my quick and dirty try. -I had the same idea at least a decade ago and i hated it despite liking the positive parts of it. Even with harder springs from the mtb (already to hard for proper use with transducers) i hated the slight side to side movement the rig had during quick steering inputs. That always confused my butt sensor. No guide is what broke that idea for me back then.
Can you elaborate on the delay? How long is it and what can be done to reduce that (in terms of alternative products or setup configurations)? Thanks!
Curious as I have a couple buddies with motion rigs. They both claim the motion on makes them drive slower... always curious if this was a actual thing with motion or is it just something they haven't overcome yet?
Hi mate, Have you got the project of the the Cockipt aluminiun frame? cheers
Any thoughts on running the haptic isolators on a rig with embedded triple screen mount? Wondering if it'll be too heavy for the springs...
It is not suggested and I believe the hardest springs set will keep with the weight but those vibrations will shake badly the monitors as well.
HELLO FRIEND CAN I ASK YOU FOR INFORMATION CAN I KNOW THE MEASUREMENT (HEIGHT) YOU HAVE FROM THE STEERING WHEEL TO THE FLOOR? THANK YOU
How does this kit compare to just having the shakers mounted directly to the seat? I currently have 2 BST-1's, one on the base of the seat and the other on the back, feels great, will I gain anything with this kit?
The strength of this kit is to give you directional feedback for some effects which comes from specific side!
For most of the effects it won’t make much difference I believe!
It depends mostly which effect you use!
I'm still considering which one to get 100W or 300W. Which one you guys recommend and why ?
I'm having my eye in this kit for a long time. Pitty it's only available from the US: shipping will cost quite a bit.
Where are based buddy?
I think they ship worldwide over sea for affordable prices but it can take some time
@@chepilevski I'm in the Netherlands. Thanks for the advice, will check on that!
@@MelSimRacing yeh, they ship to EU with pre paid VAT and that is in the original price in the website
Can anyone suggest a way to attach this to the Trakracer TR8 or TRX Pro?
Здравейте искам да се запознаем и да питам много неща за симулатора. Гледам те от много време и чак днес разбрах кой си
Zdr Criska 🤛
Pusni signalche v Instagram 😃
I wonder how this would feel on bigger profile like 160x40 like the Trak racer TR 160. Would you lose to much vibrations being bigger profile
What I understood is, less weight equals more more pronounced vibrations.
I guess it will work with heavier rigs but the volume must be turned up!
I found in that rig we used mostly 50% gain and felt great.
I think turning up the volume will be the same but may bring heat in the transducers.
On my GT-Omega prime I never set the shakers to the max. Plenty of strength for me.
@@CaptainDomestic hi, i have gtomega prime how do they feel on it, i already have four transducers on the rig but looking to have less noise vibration do they work
@keithmorris604 I never turn the shakers up all the way. The rigid rig transfers the vibration nicely to make it feel "alive".
This kit is great, i've had it for a while. Unfortunately 2 x 300watt amps failed. I don't think the reliability is there yet. The first amp stopped working after around 5months, it was replaced under warranty. Then the replacement 300watt amp stopped working again after about 3months. I asked for a refund, Slip Angle were very good through the whole process. I went back to the 100 watt amp, which gets quite hot.
That sucks to hear buddy 😔
At what strength do you use the system?
@@chepilevski volume for each channel on 60% as recommended. I’ve notice there are quite a few instances of other peoples 300watt amps failing over time. The 100watt works well, but gets hot quickly and goes into protection mode after around 30min use. This is with minimal effects used.
Building a reliable 300watt output amp is challenging even Buttkickers are known for failure after a few years use. I think Slip angle are manufacturing these in China as a unique design, as you will not find this type of 6 channel amp with built-in sound card anywhere else. Where-as the 100watt amp can be sourced everywhere, as it doesn’t have a buit-in Sound card and uses an external one.
I might add that I’m in Australia and we run 240vlt, so it could be related to that. There’s a switch in the back of the amp to change voltage. Maybe there’s no issues with countries running 110vt, would be interesting to see the stats of the amps that failed as to which voltage they’re running.
@@andrewtsousis3130 thanks for the useful information buddy 🤛
Hopefully will help others 🍻
I’m about to pull the trigger for this kit. Just thinking if buy the 200W or the 300W kit. Anyone knows what it is the difference between them?. Why would you want a 6 channel amp with 300W if both kits only needs 200W (50W each) and 4 channels?. Just future expansion maybe?.
There are two small 40w for pedals vibrations if you want to add that’s the reason for the 6 channel kit 🤛
I have a rig made out of Uni-Strut would it be possible to attach this kit to it I wonder 🧐
I have no idea buddy
Better ask the guys from Slip-angle
Uni strut ...as in for (electrical) cable trays and ladders? Just drill the Unistrut and bolt the supplied mounts with through bolts.
@@black7rc720 exactly that stuff and yeah it’s going to be strong enough I don’t see why it wouldn’t work.
Can you plz share the profile? I have the kit, But have not tuned it good :/
Can I ask you as an owner what range of frequencies you feel work best with this.....
This is the problem with most of the reviews of this I have seen. If someone goes to buy it who/where is their a selection of pre-tested effects combinations that work well or lets the user then choose which they use?
The reality is that units like the BST1 that this hardware uses is very basic when it comes to its performance with frequencies. THAT is why they use the term "less is more" as you struggle to enjoy multiple effects at a time.
Its a limitation of the hardware, not a limitation we can not get around with alternative hardware or installation approaches.
Hey I didnt know you were Bulgarian. My best friend is Bulgarian and his family is like a second family to me. Of course I cant generalize but I find Bulgarian people very positively spiritual. No wonder I really like your attitude 😉
And about the bass shakers. I cant agree more. I use it with VR and I cant race without it now. It is like going from a wheel with FFB to a wheel without FFB. I also add traction loss effect with high frequency wave. It helps a lot to detect understeer and oversteer. For now I only use on Butt Kicker. Is it worth it to add more? Do you think the difference of going frome 1 to 4 is as big as going from 0 to 1?
Thanks for the kind words brother 🤗
I don’t think the difference from one to 4 corners haptic will be as great as from nothing to one buttkicker.
This can add more directional feedback for specific effects but in general, the wow factor going from nothing to one is huge 💪
Are they 100W or 300W kit ?
That's the 300W kit - the amp has the integrated sound card.
Nice, have you tried 100W as well ? I would like to buy slip angle kit but thinking which one to buy. I heard that 300W kit have a problems with amp ower heating or something like tähat. Price difference is about 150€
@@henryrebane1481 no I bought the 300W version and recognised the amp. Loving the experience with this. I think the only upgrade left is a full motion system which is way beyond my budget for sim racing!
Is this as good as motion?
Ah no but is giving so much for sure.
As I’ve said in the video, it feels bigger step from nothing to haptics system then haptics system to motion!
It just gives life to the experience
"keeping vibration within the alu profile" .... which means it doesnt go to the neighbours?
My rig is spring loaded since 2017 mainly because of the neighbours and it works great for isolation. The only alternative that is working is a ground of soft foam like gymnastic mats, but doesn't feel so great.
@@Leynad778 thats the answer im looking for..thx, thats the only reason i avoid these systems. now this goes into my wishlist :)
@@P3ktoRisI've bought cheap but beefy pressure-springs from a spring-factory for less than 5 € each and 3D-printed two cups for each, one for the bottom, one that fits to the aluminium profile. I'm using 6 springs with a length of 50 mm, about 40 mm wide with 55 N/mm strength. That's quite stiff, more like formula cars.
Different materials have dampening for different frequencies. Also depends on the level of tactile hardware you are using. Larger much more PRO based tactile will generate much deeper bass but often it is the audible frequencies and harmonics that can seep through floors. A combination of spring based solution and rubber isolation can work well. Rubber isolators on their own will not stop vibrations. I have tried many options, even 400mm - 1000mm industrial rubber feet, used on installations for solar panels. @@P3ktoRis
I have used about four layers of washing machine mats. Stinky black rubber mats. Be aware those can take some vibration but can't avoid them to go to your floor. If i'd try this kind of system again, i'd definetly try to isolate with springs
Jas ova ne razbiram Brate.. and i hate putting this shit together😅.. i wish i had fun doing it , but I don’t at all haha
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I’m so used to do those things Brate 😁