BEFORE YOU GO TO NAVY OCS, WATCH THIS!!! | Pt 4a - INDOC EVENTS
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Best of luck, future candidates!
Thank you for your videos! Information is powerful and you taking time to share is awesome.
Make sure to check out mine ! Go navy!
Happy to help!
I'm preparing for MEPS and heading toward chaplaincy with the Navy. Thank you for this video. It has actually taken some pressure off my shoulders. Hooyah!
Not a problem! As a chaplain, you'll go to ODS, instead of OCS, so you'll be there only 5 weeks instead of 13, and your "indoc" time will only be a week. Best of luck!
This is great! I am a Grandmother of a OCS in training right now.
Thank you for sharing, really helps!
Happy to help!
The class in quarantine is out here in RI. Literally watching your videos about to start indoc
Hopefully they get some value from these videos! Just trying to help. Remember that pain is temporary, your class team really does want the best for you (even if at first it seems like they hate you, I promise you they don't), and in no time, you'll reach graduation. Hang in there, folks!!
How're those egg burritos 08?
Thank you for another awesome video, I got lucky my quarantine doesn’t start until FEB20, so I may see a few more from you!
Anyway, I just had an idea for a video or a segment at least, that I think would be helpful to a lot of people. Would you show or explain a 20-30 minute (or whatever you think is appropriate) sample workout covering the most “popular” exercises at OCS. Most of us know the basics, but not really in terms of how many reps or for how long or in what order stuff is usually done.
Thank you!
Hey, happy to help! Interestingly, I've already filmed an exercise example, but just haven't gotten around to edit it. I'll get one up eventually, lol.
I just finished Indoc, class 07-21, and here's my two cents. Get used to v-ups, lots of v-ups.
Push ups are also a big thing, along with burpees depending on your class team. Events like first Friday and fast cruise will hammer your core and upper body.
6-inches, planks, leg raises, lunges, squats, pushups and burpees are really the majority of the battery of exercises they'll throw at you.
I'm not the most fit guy, but I was able to make it through, just suffer and remember: "speed, volume, intensity" are the critical elements.
@@Mollyloveblue That's awesome, will be looking forward to that one!
@@alexnispel Thank you for the info! I'll start to include some of these in my training days already!
Love your vids! I hope you get a mic(a cheap one works), so I can hear better without maxing out my volume! I plan to apply when I start my senior year in college :D
Yes, I know I'm definitely in need of one badly, lol. Recommendations??
@@Mollyloveblue
Blue Microphones Yeti, this is best bang for your bucks. Even though its 100$+ :(
@@heiwa_no_ittoryu I'll take a look, thanks!
thanks for the vids, really helpful in knowing what fun to look forward to! do you mind giving some examples of what kind of exercises they do when pushing and how long? I imagine it's things like burpees, mountain climbers, pushups, flutter kicks, etc. But I'd like to workout as much as possible on my own to try and prepare for those kind of beatings so any info would be great
Happy to help! Most of the exercises are pretty standard, things you do with no equipment (except sometimes a rifle). Pushups, burpees, crunches, leg lifts, pulse squats, are pretty good places to start. Some DIs have a preference for specific exercises like diamond pushups for extra emphasis.
What do you mean by "Pullable"? I understand "Rolling" is being sent to holding company for 3 weeks, but I've never heard of being pulled from an event.
Also thank you so much for the videos!!! They're so helpful
Happy to help! "Pullable" is where you are removed from the event, but won't roll for it. This is true for the swim qualification. For the IST, they won't pull you medically, you just kind of fail if you don't hit the metric. But if they pull you for bad form and you've already done enough pushups or whatever, then you won't roll, even though you were pulled.
Any advice on writing the motivational statement when applying? Personally, I haven’t held any leadership roles, and been having a mental road block when writing this part. Great videos nonetheless !
If you haven't had any leadership roles, think about what you would want from a leader. Look at leaders you admire. You could even put in your statement that you've never led before and that you're hoping OCS will help build you/ help you grow into the kind of leader with qualities x, y, and z (take a look at the 11 leadership traits), and why. Also, aside from a job with decent insurance and job security, why ARE you applying for that designator? What do you want/hope to DO while you're in? That will help shape the other part of your statement. Best of luck!
Thanks for the videos, going in as a civil engineer at 34, just got my FINSEL. Do you have to do your IST run in that big group, is it hard to run a quick time in a group?
Congratulations on getting your final selection letter! You do the run in a big group, but you have the entire track to maneuver around people. It didn't affect my running time, personally. Then again, I'm pretty slow, so people were probably maneuvering around me more than I was them lol.
@Mollyloveblue Thanks!! One more run question, I have these mid height altra running trail shoes that are pretty intense looking. Are those going to get taken away, it’s says bring running shoes and they are... just mid height with ankle support.
@@bartucca they won't be taken away, since some people have to special order the shoes, if the exchange doesn't have their size. But unless you get a personal shoe chit, then once your issued shoes arrive, you'll have to wear those instead.
My son just had RLP today! They must have tough DIs/RDCs. They had about 20 people DOR after the first week. The Candios said the First Friday beatdown was the worst they had seen. But he is a former chief that has gone through a lot of tough things in his Navy career (Air Crew). I have a question. Are Candio Boxes a big thing? I had never heard of them until another father mentioned them.
Candio boxes are a big thing! Definitely will brighten up their day!
Why the sepia filter on this video? I appreciate the information you dilineate, but It's distracting to have that film grain and yellow filter.
I had the best instructors of my life at OCS and most of them were full lieutenants. Circa 1956.
Ah yes, as opposed to those pesky Lieutenant Lower Half types 😜
My class team consisted of a LT, two drill instructors (a MSgt and a SSgt), and a senior chief as our RDC.
Thank you for your service!
I'm about to start building my package for OCS and am currently an AZ3. For some reason I have an irrational fear of vomiting, is this something I will have to face in OCS?
I puked twice in a sand pit once. Lots of people have vomited on runs or during evolutions. If you puke, you puke. They won't stop training for it unless there's blood in it. And they'll yell at you if you get it on the artificial turf.
You can make cheap light reflectors with cheap umbrellas, and chrome spray, should take out the yellow tinge. Good information, love your accent.
Thanks for the tips! Didn't realize I had an accent, what does it sound like?
@@Mollyloveblue What an interesting question. I will first wax poetical since sound is a personal sensation. Your voice is smooth, like a sophisticated port. It washes over one like sitting on a beach with your eyes closed as the susurration surrounds and tantalizes. I did discover that your voice in this video was not your natural speaking voice, but a "professional" style, thus armed with this insight, I watched part of your Google and part of your MEPS videos to listen to your native voice. So secondly I will hazard this guess. You were born in Montana or Utah, moved to Oregon, obviously went to Connecticut and spent some time near Sacramento. I also traveled a bit and thought I did not have an accent until an Alaskan bush flier asked me if I lived in Texas.
Thank you for all of this information! I leave for OCS this summer and I'm trying to go in as prepared as possible. I'm not sure if you've already mentioned this, but what is the classroom to PT ratio? And what are the classes like? I'm working on studying some basic information now and learning appendix bravo but is there any other studying I can begin now to help prepare? Thanks in advance!
Hi! If you watch the part 1 to this series, it answers some questions about what exactly to study for the inspections. I'm working on a video about the classes and another one about the PT.
Thanks so much for all your great videos and advice. What do you think is the most common reason people DOR and at what stage does it happen the most? What is the average % who DOR out of OCS - are those stats anywhere they can be found?
Hello! Of course, happy to have made videos that help! To answer your other questions, anecdotally, most people who DO DOR do it during INDOC. It really is the filter. There are some special cases I've heard of where someone DOR'd on graduation day, because they never actually intended to become commissioned, they just wanted to prove to someone that they could. Wild, but it happened. For statistics, you have to know someone in the chain of command for OCS who has those, the hard and true spreadsheets aren't publicly available, but if you're in the right forum and ask the right questions and the right person is around, someone might leak them to you. I got my hands on one before I went to OCS and saw all kinds of things, but it ultimately didn't help or hurt me in any way. It's not a big deal if you can't get it. Just do your best!
At Marine Boot Camp the recruits have to refer to themselves in the third person (ie "This Recruit!!!" Since Marine DIs are training Officer Candidates, do the Officer Candidates have to also refer to themselves in the third person?
For my class, we did have to do that during INDOC phase, but they cut that out for the class after mine. It depends on your class officer (i.e., how shitty the LT is in charge of your class)
Quick question for the Physical portion. I keep reading on the Officer Training Command Pre-Arrival Plan my recruiter sent to me. How are they counting push ups? I see both enlisted and officer videos of those who have taking a PRT and some say areas must be at least 90 degrees while other say to get to as close to the floor (clenched fist spacing). Even the Training Plan it only shows an example of someone hitting the 90 degrees and there is clearly well beyond the fist spacing beneath the chest.
Hi! When I was there, your hands had to be about shoulder-width apart, and you had to have "knife hands" where all of your fingers are together. As far as how deep to go, you had to at least hit 90 degrees. Any more was okay as well, but personally, that just meant exerting more energy. 90 degrees is what the instruction says. If you're unsure, ask your Candios when you get there and they discuss PRT and PT procedures (usually on Monday afternoon).
I didn’t think navy ocs was this hard. I want to be a seabee in a few years should i start physically training now? I don’t know if i could take this mentally but I think i can in a few years.
I've been told by all of the priors that Navy OCS is much harder than Navy Basic Training. As far as being ready for Navy OCS, in my opinion, the amount of time you need to prepare really just depends on your current physical and mental fitness levels. Before you arrive at OCS, you should be able to achieve at least a good medium on all three categories of the PRT, and be comfortable doing basic HIIT workouts for 20-30 minutes at a time. There is a LOT of running while at OCS, so you'll want to work on your sprints as well. As far as the mental aspect goes, just remember that OCS is not like the rest of the Navy. The staff is there to yell at you and break you down so they can build you up as a strong and decisive officer. A lot of people get tougher and thicker skin as a result, but if you have a concern about the state of your mental health, talk to a medical professional before you consider OCS.
Hey there! I just got selected a few weeks ago and have been looking at videos such as yours for how to get ready. I don't have a lot of time and was set back due to Covid and family reasons, but I'm getting myself on track and I'm not terribly far off. My concern is passing these events and making it through.
My main question is, what exactly do you mean by being pulled? Does that mean being sent home? Or pulled into a probationary type of thing? How is it different from being rolled?
Congratulations on selecting! Getting pulled means you're no longer participating in the event. In some events, getting pulled means you automatically roll. However, in some events, such as the swim qual, getting pulled doesn't mean you roll.
In some cases, like in the makeup IST, you aren't pulled, but you still fail to meet the standard, so you roll.
Hope that clears up any confusion!
@@Mollyloveblue thank you so much! I understand much better now. I thought it was going to be really cut throat but they do want you to succeed
@@nyxdwolf It certainly isn't an EASY road. It was one of the hardest things I've gone through (just sustained high levels of stress for weeks on end), but yes, if you really want it, and you toughen up, they do want you to succeed. They are there to shape future officers, so when they're able to successfully mold candidates into strong, decisive leaders, then they've done their job well, which they do pride themselves in.
Thank you for your insightful videos. I'm currently putting together my application for OCS. One quick question-- are they still doing "Eating by the Numbers" during chow?
They are not!
@@Mollyloveblue Thank you!
@@johnrutledge5285 you're very welcome!
Thanks for the video. Curious on the PT difficulty level in terms of the sustained runs, not too concerned with the calisthenics. I've worked up to running 3 miles 6 days a week at an easy pace (27 min or so). If I'm selected, I know there will be younger people than me (turn 29 next month), that I'll be classed with that are more fit, just want to know if the pace of the sustained runs are fast. Thanks again!
They break up each class into running groups based on your IST run time. There are usually 3 groups, the fast group, the medium group, and the slow as hell group lol. During INDOC phase, the road runs are only 1.5 miles. After that, it's 3. I'm making a whole video about ocs PT
@@Mollyloveblue Thanks for the response, subbed and staying tuned.
@@srslyDres happy to help!
@@Mollyloveblue I talked to an Ensign who graduated in 2020 and she said the run are never more than 3 miles and rarely above 1.5 miles. She said it’s common to run 2x 1.5 miles back to back.
@@artiecon97 I'm going to make a video on the PT side of things at OCS that will clear things up.
I talked to an Ensign who graduated in 2020 and she mentioned that there is a watch shift that gets you out of PT. She said it’s not a great watch shift but if you need a PT day of it a good one to get. Is this true?
If you're on any of the shifts that go from 0400-0600, then yes, you will miss PT, but it won't count against you.
Ha some of you guys got called out at the end there for sending those pics! I'm heading in to OCS Feb 13th, Anybody here gonna be in that class?
Oopsie
Are these 1.5 mile runs and 3milers on the road? Or track
On the road, before the sunrise, if you're there anytime other than sooner. So you'll want to be extra careful and look out for pot holes!
@@Mollyloveblue okay great thank you! I just got selected I ship in June, I went through boot camp about a 2 years ago so I have most of appendix b down but just struggling with some of the other ones. I’m very excited but super nervous because I have been through something similar, but as what I’ve been told and seen it’s more challenging just with same premise as boot camp though
@@devontemitchell2759 congratulations on getting selected! Keep up the studying!
You mentioned that people could be pulled for reaching their physical limitations during LRP. How did they reach their physical limitations during a physical? Maybe that’s a dumb question, but I don’t understand
When they see your body failing and you can't do any more pushups or burpees, or you're about to pass out, they'll pull you.
Sucky Saturday? It was called Black Saturday when I went to OCS in Pensacola.
Things have changed some since they moved it to Newport
For your hatchmates did they do it alphabetically? How did they organize it for you?
Hatchmates were random, not alphabetically at all.
Hello, Since it's gonna be two Sailors in a room, do the other person hits affect one score or you get graded separately? thanks
Hi!
For RLP, your entire room has to be completely clean. You can't clean ONLY your side, or else you'll get into trouble for having a dirty floor. So yes, if their side of the room is messy/dirty, it will count against you. Further, if the toilet area is dirty, you could both auto-fail. If there is water on the floor, you could auto-fail. The shower area has to be completely clean and dry, which means not only do you have to rely on your hatch-mate, but also your suite-mates, and they are also relying on you.
As far as the actual push--it's just you by yourself going toe-to-toe with a DI or an RDC. There is a candio in the room to keep track of the score, but they're not in the room to save you, just to take off points when the DI or RDC tells them to. So the other person's hits won't affect your hits, unless it has to do with the cleanliness of the room.
@@Mollyloveblue I'm sure it is definitely different in the military and OCS now. Cuz my DI back in 98, said he hated the Candi O term cuz it sounded "gay," his words. When we got to that phase he told us to refer to ourselves as Candidate Officers. 4😂💯💪 Facts.
Hello!
I may have missed it in a video, but what is the cardio like?
Once you get past the first week, will it be 3 miles 3x per day?
What would you recommend to be conditioned prior to OCS in terms of running?
Watch my first video in this series! The your pre-OCS checklist one :)
@@Mollyloveblue Thank you!
There are many people that are very appreciative of the information you provide to allow a better understanding of the process. This is incredibly helpful :)
@@Will-kp7vz happy to help! Good luck
For the initial prt, what is passing? Satisfactory minimum?
Initial Strength Test (IST), aka your initial PRT, passing is SAT Medium.
For 2022-specific scores: www.netc.navy.mil/Portals/46/NSTC/NROTC/docs/Guide%205-Physical%20Readiness%20Test%20(FEB%202022).pdf
Is the IST on Tuesday or Wednesday of week 1?
When I was there, it was on Tuesday. Then for people who didn't pass, they could try again on Thursday.
Do you have to take take a Final fitness test to graduate ocs like when you enlist into the navy?
Yes, if you watch my first video in the series, you'll see how many PRTs you have to take, and what the minimum passing score is for each.
What does pullable and rollable mean?
You can get pulled from an event, like RLP, but it doesn't mean you roll. With RLP, you'll get a second chance and if you fail then you roll. Same with the IST and a few others.
Some events are rollable, meaning you fail and immediately go down to H, no second try.
@@Mollyloveblue So what does getting pulled mean?
@@manfromtheredriver7386 If the event is an immediate rollable event, getting pulled means your DI or RDC determined you to be unable to complete for safety reasons, and you immediately roll into the next class down.
If it's an event where you get a second shot, like RLP or the IST, you can get pulled for safety but not roll (unless you fail again).
Events where you are immediately rolled if pulled include but are not limited to first Friday and fast cruise. Events where you get a second shot the next day or two days later include RLP and the IST.
@@Mollyloveblue Ah. OK. That makes sense. Thank you!
@@manfromtheredriver7386 no problem!
Can you get rolled for failing class examinations?
Yes! If you fail an exam, you get a makeup exam of a different version, and if you fail that, you'll roll into the next class.
You don't get a retake now. You roll after the first failure
@@Icycomb Thank you for the update! That's good to know that there are currently no makeups.
Hi Molly,
I just watched a chow hall video. I noticed most of the candidates were only able to get 2-3 bites of food before standing up. The video looked like it was being done for friends and family. I understand that we will do these chow hall procedures, but do we actually get to eat more food than a few bites each meal?
Thank you.
That video was made before they instituted a new policy. OCS no longer does "eat by the numbers", so don't worry about that. That video was made for "Hi Families" day, which is great and all, but not a completely 100% accurate portrayal of what to expect. You will be given 12 minutes to eat, and you will be interrupted a few minutes in to say that you have 10 minutes left, 5 minutes left, and 1 minute left.
I ate with my hands (you sanitize before and after your meal) and shoveled as much food as humanly possible down my throat to make sure I ate enough.
@@Mollyloveblue I appreciate it! Thank you.
@@andrewdonovan6749 no problem, best of luck!
So do Navy Chaplains go to this OCS too?
Navy chaplains go to ODS, not OCS. It's five weeks, instead of thirteen, and they're already commissioned when they go. They also already have completed the chaplain education and training before joining. Same thing goes for doctors, lawyers, dentists, and certain other professions.
Dunno, but I remember them giving sermons to us at OCS. It was mandatory for even an atheist like me, but it was a respite for me.
What is the meaning and difference of “pulled” and “rolled”?
You can get pulled from an event (like the swim qual), but not roll. You can also roll for failing the IST (i.e.; for not doing enough pushups), but you still have to finish the rest of the IST, even though you've already failed.
@@Mollyloveblue so does rolled mean you go to H class and pulled means you failed the test but don’t go to H class and get to retry?
@@artiecon97 yes. For the IST, you take it on Tuesday, and if you fail, you get to re-test on Thursday, but if you fail that, you won't get pulled, but you will still roll into H.
@@Mollyloveblue thank you! I report for training in March, super nervous, but your videos are super informative!
@@artiecon97 happy to help! Best of luck!
this is too much information. this sounds like coming from a DROP OUT regardless of reason. This also sounds like a way to find excuses. She is clearly putting the cart before the horse. This is not like the Army Ranger 2 USMA graduates that got rolled through multiple times. Get it right the first time and not deal with it anymore. Retired (1983-2013).
Hey, if 13 and a half minutes is too long for you, you don't have to watch.
Hey there good looking 🥰