Iwata Kiwami 4, Kiwami 4 WBX, Kiwami 4 WB, Wider4L and Wider4, Differences & Pattern Spray Out
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- My ramblings on the Anest Iwata Kiwami4 series and the Wider4 & Wider4L Cheers everyone. Thanks for watching 👍
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Thanks Pete you have invested in a lot of guns to bring us these reviews much appreciated!
Hi buddy, Thank you, I do enjoy doing it and am a bit of a collector, so it's great to share it with people.
Hopefully, it helps those who can not or don't want all the guns, cheers, buddy 👍
Brilliant video thanks
Thanks, Jason, much appreciated 👍
Another great demonstration that helps figuring the best use of each. I have a LPH400 LV4 1.4 and love how it lays medium solids clear, but the wide fan of the Kiwami 1.3 really helps me on getting coverage without mottling with metallic base. I do prefer to turn the pressure on the Kiwami down and account for it on fluid. Great guns.
Keep up the good work, Pete!
Thanks, mate 👍, you are certainly right that a taller pattern helps with more complex colours, so there's a place for all of these guns. Hopefully, this helps people decide what's best for them 👍
Hi pete the kiwami pattern reminds me of the old Binks 7 that thing had a huge pattern 👏👏👏
Hi Dean, it surprised me a little, To be honest, I've used it before, obviously, but it's quite striking next to the others, cheers, mate 👍
Excellent video Pete👍I've learned alot from your extensive review/info vids on the various Iwata guns from Japan. All this info basically translates to the locally available LPH/W-400 models in the US so much appreciated. Cheers
Thanks, Marc. I really find it interesting , I've just picked up an LPH400 LVX, so I'm looking forward to using that particularly next to the Wider4L, cheers mate 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Would love to see this comparison as well, It would also be great to see the comparison when runnning these low pressure guns at 2bar instead of 1.1, a lot of people report using them at 2 bar in practice
I've had the Wider4L for a while now and never needed to use it above 1.4 bar. It performs really well even at 1.1 bar. Mostly, these are rated that low for local emission standards, but I've never found a need to wack it up pressure wise, it's quite slow at the lower pressure but it's certainly pleasant using it at low pressure, particularly in my environment.
@@peteshobbies5383 I have a wider4L as well and its my favorite gun, works great on a 30gal garage compressor and low overspray at 1.1bar, but my job shop friends use 2bar to spray faster. Great video
Yeah, I can understand people bumping it up to take the pace up as they are slow
Thanks Pete. These are my favorite types of videos.
Hi David, Good to hear you like them, mate.
They are one of my favourite types of video as well. I am planning some more with other makes and models that I have the range of.
Hopefully, they help people a little to decide what is best for them, or at least show them a little more what the differences are, cheers David 👍
Hi Pete, well that was a very interest comparison👌 it's surprising the difference the tip and cap makes as to how it sprays. The Kiwami4 with the biggest fan was huge, I would say it's mainly the holes in the aircap that effects the size of the fan but even if the holes are the same size it also makes a difference where the holes are placed on the air horns and how far apart they are🤔
Thanks for doing this Pete I've never seen anyone do these comparisons on here before👏🙏👍
Hi John, I don't think you see these comparisons much because people don't have all the guns, they're not all mad like me 🤣, it the sort of thing I find really interesting and so do many other as over the long run they are by far the most popular videos, for me anyway, cheers mate 👍
Yeah I haven't seen anyone else do these comparisons on here so what you do is invaluable for people looking for this kind of info and as you say they are very popular, I found them interesting just for the differences in the fan pattern put out just by changing the holes on the aircap🤓👍
Great video! Thanks 🙏 may I request a video from you about what your favorite clear coats are ? Cheers
Hi buddy, these are some of the ones I use,
czcams.com/video/YQffNOUL0A4/video.html
Super like from me pete very well explained for people who are just starting out in the spraying game . Is the WB A better gun than the kiwami 4 .1.3 I seen the WBX 1.4 great for clear coat paint
Hi Andrew, they are all good. The WBX and WB do atomise finer than the normal Kiwami4. The real star here for me is the Wider4L. It's giving a good pattern at 1.1 bar, so it gives low overspray, and of course, you can turn it up if you want to, cheers mate 👍
Love these videos Pete if we can get a wider 4L compared to a lph400 that would be amazing!
Hi mate, good to hear you like the videos, I've literally just managed to get an LPH400 LVX so looking forward to seeing what it's like, and yes, I will do a comparison video with the Wider4L 👍
@peteshobbies5383 Awesome, I look forward to it since the 4L is supposed to be its successor. Hopefully, they will come out with some new caps for the wilder 4L
Hi Eric, I'm sure they will offer different caps, probably for the American market only as with the LPH400. Thanks, buddy 👍
I liked Kiwami 4. It has a large, regular fan
Hi mate, it really depends on what you are doing. The Kiwami4 BA4J has a big fan, but it doesn't atomise as well as the split tip nozzle guns
This really got me intrigued. Thank you for taking the time to create videos it’s really appreciated. Do you find with the w400wbx the overspray covers the air cap once you’ve finished? Mine has ever since new regardless of pressure and distance.
Hi Tim, Thank you, I do enjoy making the videos.
The WBX produces probably the most overspray of all these, that's partly due to the fact it normally runs at a higher pressure than most of the others and the cap has quite big air holes.
It should get less if you lower the pressure, but that will be at the expense of finish .
What pressure do you normally run it at?
I started out at 2bar and been as low as 1.2. All with great results. I’m used to using Devilbiss Sri for base
@TimGriffin-ez9ez I normally use it at 2bar for clear coat around 1.8 bar for basecoat, it is always going to produce much more overspray than the Sri which is quite low compared to most anyway
Thank you for your quick response. Looking forward to the next vid. 👌
@TimGriffin-ez9ez Thanks, Tim 😊
Hi great video, iv been looking at the wbx and the wb2 for the w400 . Which one do you prefer for clear coat and direct gloss please
Hi Mate, If it is clear and direct gloss you want it for, I would go with the WBX in 1.4, only because direct gloss normally needs one up on the tip size, cheers 👍
cheers for the video pete, quick question. i spray alot of waterbased 2k. out of these guns i plan to buy 2 of them, which ones would you say atomize the finest? mainly looking at the WBX or WB2
Hi Mitch, You're welcome, mate. There's no doubt the split tips in the WB & WBX do help with atomisation, but at the expense of speed, the WBX would be a good bet
Thanks for this new upload. I wanted to ask you how the Lph400 lvx sprays compare to the Wider 4L.
Hi Rigal, very similar, I literally just picked up an LPH400 LVX as they aren't normally sold in the UK, I didn't put it in this video because it's not the same style although it's the same family
@@peteshobbies5383 Reading the comments of a previous video I found out that you recently purchased a LPH400. I guess it's true when they say the Wider 4L is it's successor
I do think when the Wider4L comes to the US, it will have a choice of caps, like the LPH400 does. I'm not sure how long that will be, though 🤔
@@peteshobbies5383 For some reason Iwata is not really pushing their products here in the US. Not only the Wider 4L but the series2 of the LS and WS400 are still not available.
@peteshobbies5383 hey Pete I have a wider 4L with a 1.4 tip. I live in the US and was wondering where I can get different fluid tip sizes I plan to use 1.3 for basecoat the 1.4 does ok but I'd like more atomization
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Thanks, buddy, as always. I hope alls well 👍
Great comparison Pete. Was very useful. I purchased the Wider 4, for the fatter wetter pattern. Quick question. I'm assuming if I also bought the Kiwami 4 air cap, it will convert the Wider 4 to Kiwami 4 giving the option of a much wider pattern ?
Hi buddy, yes, exactly, right, Apart from the markings, it's the same gun except the caps
Cheers Pete. Appreciate the advice mate. @@peteshobbies5383
Remember back then some of the old guys saying use the 11 incher on that job (11") fan
I find it quite fascinating seeing the difference between them, The Wider4L does well as it's a low-pressure gun, so overspray is low, and results are good 👍
A guy can't go wrong with 11"!
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🤣😂🤣🤪, I can only talk from experience, and you're definitely right 😁, cheers, mate 👍
It looks like the conventional tipped gun held its own. I get inconsistent results with split tipped setups.
Hi buddy, the split tip I think does improve atomisation, it at the expense of speed though so doesn't suit a fair number of people,
Hello Pete, this video was very informative to distinguish the differences between Kiwami4 and Wider4 series. It helped me quite a bit of what I am getting if I purchase a Kiwami4. But, I need to know the viscosity of the paint you used (clear you said?? - how dense is it?) as I intend to spray water-based acrylic paint perhaps as dense as heavy cream :-)) 1.4mm tip is ok with this kind of density? I know you guys are familiar to automotive paints, but I would appreciate it if you can comment on this. And you're right on your previous comment that I should get out more often :-))) Kind regards.
Hi buddy, I mix an HS clear coat with thinners and a little black tinter to give it a little colour.
The viscosity is around 16 seconds through a Ford cup, which is something used in automotive paint to measure viscosity.
It's on a par with a base coat really which probably doesn't help you much.
Your guide will be what the technical data sheet for the materials you intend to use says, if, as I think you said, it says a 1.4 tip, then presuming it's mixed correctly a 1.4 should be absolutely fine
Hey Pete, I’m really impressed with what you’ve been showing, I’m about to get my own guns, for all of the years I’ve been doing this I’ve always used other people’s guns and respected them, I’ve just used Anest Iwata Lph 400 orange cap for base and mid coats and WS 400 chrome cap for clear coat, both 1.3; and with all of that being said I was wondering if you could guide me into what you would know to be most similar to them, if I need to get a WS 400 for clear, or if I can get them both done with the Kiwami 4, I really respect your opinion and your input would be greatly appreciated, good work and keep it up friend!
Hi buddy, The nearest to the WS400 here is the WBX, and the nearest to the LPH400 is the Wider4L, although the Wider4L is like the silver cap LPH400 rather than the orange cap, so the Wider4L is a slightly wetter pattern.
@@peteshobbies5383 sorry friend I just went and watched many more of your videos that answered the two questions I had, but I still have one more lingering, I’m curious as to what new gun from iwata has the best atomization and fan for blends on solid colors specifically, I’ve been doing research all day and night and taking what you said into consideration I’m looking at the Kiwami 4 with the WBX for clear coat, and I’m then looking around at the wider 4l for base coat, which only has the J2 cap, and I just don’t think that sounds like the most optimal for solid color blends, I’m looking for a finer grade atomization so that specks don’t show, I guess more so I’m asking for your personal opinion on where you would put these guns, and with what caps you would equip them with, I’ve always liked keeping the clear gun separate from color, and I just want to make sure I get confirmation before I order these things in, I really appreciate all of the good work and passion you put into all of this. And so please take your time in responding but also I’m quite eager to have this solved so that I can go ahead and order these, best wishes though friend you’ve done a great service already
The differences between the various caps are quite small, and there are variables in materials and the painter that makes it difficult to just say one is better than the other.
If I was buying two guns, one for clearcoat and one for base coat, I would buy the Wider4L and a Kiwami4 WBX.
We haven't mentioned any other manufacturers as I think that would just complicate matters for you even more
Hi there, I am a newbie, and want to buy one of these guns to spray rustoleum paint to paint model airplanes. My compressor is rather small, a silent Makita with 2 gallons of tank displacement. According to what is on the machine, it can supply 2 cfm at 90psi. Which one of these guns is suitable for this compressor, you think? I would appreciate your help. Take care.
Hi buddy, unfortunately, your compressor would not drive any of these. The lowest air consumption of all the guns here is 8cfm so well over your supply, and with only a small holding tank, you just wouldn't be able to do it.
What size is the plane you want to spray?
@@peteshobbies5383 About 60in wingspan airplane - Hurricanes, Spitfires etc. I looked at Kiwami 1 just now, it also needs between 4 and 8cfm. So, what small good brand gun can I use with this compressor? Thanks again.
@windsurfingphd The ones to look at are the Anest Iwata LPH80 & LPH50, they use 2.2 & 1.8 respectively, they will be slow but will work, the LPH80 in 1.2 will be better for your area size, take a look at this video for what you can expect,
czcams.com/video/9pG-MDT6PWQ/video.htmlsi=w6A2KyXZgudWq9O-
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you :-))
@windsurfingphd Your welcome, buddy 👍
How can I find an iwata gun in the us like this without getting a Chinese knockoff?
Hi Stuart, The suppliers I use are paintingtool_jp, they sell on eBay and ship to the US, or you can place an order via Instagram, message them with what you want, they send a PayPal invoice and you pay, that's the way I do it as it's normally a bit cheaper, I guess because they don't pay eBay fees that way.
They are an official Anest Iwata distributor based in Tokyo, so you know the product is official and authentic, cheers buddy 👍
Which gun is the best
HI, it depends on what you are doing. They are all slightly different . What are you spraying?
Hola amigo Petes entonces exageran en su información por qué la wider4l marca un abanico de 28cm y la wbx marca un abanico de casi 40cm o por qué sacan esa información en sus características a qué se debe?
Hola amigo, utilicé la presión recomendada por los fabricantes, por lo que mis resultados deberían ser los mismos que hay. La distancia sería otro factor que determina el tamaño del ventilador, opté por mantener la misma distancia, alrededor de 150 mm, para que podamos ver la diferencia en el patrón, si la hay. Los fabricantes recomendarán tanto la distancia como la presión, por lo que algunos patrones que citan pueden ser más altos que los míos porque la distancia sería mayor.
@@peteshobbies5383 si vi que trabajo con las presiones recomendadas y vi que todas las mantuvo al full tanto abanico como fluido, entonces si debe de ser por la distancia que ellos marcan más abanico en sus características
si, creo que si
Which do you prefer the most? WBX or the BA4. I know it's all preference. But those two look very similar but the WBX is slower and atomizes better?
Hi Andrew, You've summed it up exactly. The WBX is a little slower than the BA4J version, but it does atomise finer. The WBX is a cracking clear gun
Sort of sucks, kiwami4 ba has been discontinued which is why prices are going up.
Hi buddy, As far as I know, it hasn't been discontinued. What I understand has happened is that production has been paused. I'm not sure why, but it will be produced in the future
@@peteshobbies5383 interesting. Wonder what is the reason. The anest iwata JP site has it listed under old items/discounted. Thanks for the info. I like the ba4 tbh with the less consumption and bigger fan. Between that and the wider4 what would you go for? Use case, one or two panels here and there and a full car spray here and there