Thank you so much for this video! I have been trying to figure out more about the new replacement for some of the Iwata guns. I have the Kiwami4 1.3 and it is such a great gun it shoots better than the W-400 to me and the price is unbelievable.
Hi Eric, I can't say for sure, sorry, I'm in the UK and we don't get the LPH400 so i haven't used one, this should be very similar as it's the replacement but as i understand it there is a few different aircaps in the US
Nice video Pete! Wow that air pressure really is low, ideal first time spryer if you could get it in this country, I bet you can learn a lot from that! Lovely colour purple as well. Your right about the emissions I have watched a few car channels from the US and it’s one thing that gets mentioned a lot. Cheers Pete. See you the next one.
Thanks Steve, yes, It's been mentioned by a few that something like this is good for learning with as it's quite restrained but good quality, the low pressure also helps as it all adds to sense of control because a lack of noise, overspray etc, cheers mate 👍
Pete thanks for having the most in depth review of this gun thus far, I owned it for the better part of a month and heres my verdict. For starters I'm from America and I know many from here are wondering how it holds up to the original lph400 and in my experience your best off buying that; the wider 4L is literally an lph400 with the LV4 aircap at a cheaper price with the pattern length, fluid consumption, and atomizing pressure all being the same only difference is the gun body and there are less threads for the air cap meaning previous caps will not fit although the fluid nozzles/needle will. the lvx equivalent is available only in russia as the kiwami4L and there is no LVB equivalent available, further more iwata USA does not carry the wider or kiwami series.
Hi James, thanks for you words, it will help others that read this. The Wider and Kiwami 4 series are only available in Japan at the moment so I'm not sure when they will make it elsewhere, just to say, the tips are interchangeable but the needle isn't, the Wider4L and Kiwami4 needle is shorter. I'm sure there will be more variations of cap available later as the models develop but we will see, cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 forgot to add this, the lph400 lv4 air cap and the wider 4L VJ2 cap actually make the gun more of a MVLP. In regards to your fluid needle comment the wider and kiwami4 use the exact same one for 1.3 and 1.4 fluid nozzle
Hi James, the volume of material put out is certainly low so you could be right, it's just advertised as HVLP. My comment re the needle was referring to the Wider4 and Kiwami4 needle being shorter than the LPH400 and W400 and indeed the original WS and LS400 for that matter as the latter 4 all share the same needle. Iwata have keeped the same idea with the Wider4 series and Kiwami4 in that 1.3, 1.4 and 1.6 all have the same needle but as i say, it's shorter than LPH400/W400
Nice vid Pete. For most Base coats the LPH400 air cap of choice is the LVX and the LVB for those difficult colours out there. The Wider 4L is available in the LVX set up but only in the Russian market that I’ve been able to locate. I’ve not even found it for sale in LVX configuration in either Japan or the USA. Also I’ve not seen the Wider LVX air cap sold separately yet and I don’t believe that they have released a LVB cap either. I agree it is a very good gun but fluid delivery is low and so the speed of the gun is matched to this but as you say there is very little overspray. Still it is well worth it and in fact Brian from the Paint Society rated it as his most favourite gun out there which is high praise indeed. I was once told by iwata uk that the reason the gun was not imported into the UK was because of differences in paint specs used here. Read into that what you will. All I can say is that I’ve never had any issues myself. Looking forward to the next vid. Keep em coming
Hi buddy, I've seen the LVX version and the LV4 versions but not heard of the LVB cap, when i say seen i mean advertised, I never physically seen a LPH400 in any guise although it's just a W400 body, thanks for the information 👍
I agree ..I’d test the gun through all stages of the painting process to see how it performs..loving the videos pete, I like how your very descriptive on the gun settings and the gun itself..loving the kiwami4, can’t wait to try this one out..I live in Southern California so the LPH I s pretty popular over here and I had the chance to spray with it a couple times and loved it so I’d probably love this one.. Thanks Pete
Hi Frank, good to hear your liking the videos mate, I do try and get as much in as possible although i do drift off sometimes😉, I was really surprised by how good this was as an all rounder, it wouldn't win any prices for speed but that's not what it designed for and it used a far bit less material, appreciate the kind words buddy, much appreciated 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 that’s good to know Pete thanks, I always look forward to your videos. I had the chance to also purchase the walcom slim kombat HTE and before I bought it I looked to see if Pete had reviewed it and you did which was awesome 👍🏻😂, and that gun is another one of my favorites. We appreciate you and your content buddy have a good weekend, My reminders are set for future vids..
Thank you pete nobody is covering the wider4L gun like you have here. I'm noticing the split to your pattern isn't there like with my w400 bellaria and LPH400 and you're running it full fan thats good to see because with my iwatas I turn in my fan one full turn sometimes two turns in to accommodate for the weird splitting going on. Iwata is making new supernovas and they mentioned they fixed the splitting problem. I can't wait to see what else they have in store
Thanks buddy, I've never used the LPH400 but i do use full fan on my Bellaria without problems, I do have to back the fan off on the WS400 and LS400 as most do to stop, as you say, the pattern splitting. I'm in the process of getting the new WS400 so looking forward to seeing how it preforms, cheers 👍
I'm wondering if the split you're not seeing in his pattern could be due to not running the gun far upwards of the suggested pressure. Hardly anyone that claims to use the LPH400 sprays at the pressure stated on the cap unless it's the LVB, possibly due to trying to apeed the gun up, I suppose . I find it odd that Pete is spraying at 16 (1.1 bar), and it is atomizing just fine.
@@bosshawg7427 About 8 months ago after watching the “society of paint” video regarding the fan settings, I did get my pattern to stop splitting thankfully. You basically depress the trigger and slowly close the fan, from open and as soon as it affects the pressure you have the most concentrated fan
@kr2513 I now have an orange cap LPH400 and have no trouble with the fan splitting. Normally, a fan will split if the pressure is too high for the viscosity of the material to be sprayed. People often try a gun with just thinners in it, which is fine but it won't perform correctly at a higher pressure. There should be no need to turn the fan in on these certainly up to 26 psi with correctly thinned basecoat and 32 psi with HS or UHS clears, the only gun you may have to do this with is the WS400 series 1 clear coat gun
I have been considering a kiwami4 or wider4 1.8mm for primer because i am tired of primer guns not being good enough for me. I run all 3 Devilbiss DV1 guns made for my mini, my base, and my clear guns. I tried the Devilbiss flg 1.8mm and sold it because i absolutely hated it
Hi William, I think you will be disappointed by the Kiwami4 1.8 and the Wider4 1.8, I know I was underwhelmed by the Kiwami4, czcams.com/video/9vYF97CXDbQ/video.html My two favourite primer guns are the ANI F160 in 1.9 and the Sagola 3300 1.8, both performing better than the Kiwami4 and the FLG5
Love your reviews Pete and I have a special request, please demo the LVB aircap from iwata it's a purple cap especially for the lph400 and especially for clear coat. You mY have to use very low air and spray right close to the panel (as it's designed for) but the story goes a painter who sprays Lamborghinis uses that setup to replicate the fininsh. I'm actually looking around for the setup to buy in a 1.4
@@peteshobbies5383 hi, I am in the United Kingdom, i know is cheaper but I am spraying per month almost 70 jobs. I need good quality. And belaria it is and has a good price.
Hey Pete, thanks for the video, I am a Novice with a poorly ventilated garage, I also find it hard to maintain good overlaps when spraying fast, so I am looking for a gun that I can spray slow with low overspray, Looks like the Wider4L-V14 might be my best bet! Cheers.
Hi Mate, it's certainly one to consider, as it works at such a low pressure, for a full size gun anyway, its very good at keeping the overspray down, the only drawback i can see for the chap at home is air consumption, even though the pressure is low they still consumption a fair amount of air, if that's not a worry then, yes, highly recommended
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks for the advice, I am currently using a HF purple gun, which is around the same consumption at 9CFM. My compressor is 30gal 7.5CFM. Otherwise I would love the larger fan of the kiwami4-v14WBX, but I saw it uses 13CFM which is just a bit too much for my compressor I think?
@@bluestripes1 The Kiwami4 WBX uses a lot of air but the Kiwami4 BA4J, the one with the brown cap uses the same as the Wider4L, however, the Kiwami4 BA4J is much faster and produces more overspray so probably isn't the best for you
Thanks David, it's basically the new version of the LPH400 , better in the hand, much more of a modern feel, I've never used a LPH400 but it's the same body as the W400 and the Wider4L is much more rounded in the hand, I don't think the spraying performance has changed compared to the LPH400, as i say, i haven't used one but it's definitely a great performer, cheers 👍
For smaller jobs, I really like the slow LPH400. It is too slow for a complete respray on a car though. It is also a good choice for new painters because it is a slower gun, it takes more effort to make a big mistake.
Very wise words David 👌, it would be a good gun for a new painter for the reasons you have outlined, I've never used a LPH400 but this will be the same and i must say, i was quite impressed with it. I've used it for some bike stuff and was happy with that as well, in fact, it's quite suited to the bike parts being smaller, appreciate the comments as always buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 I appreciate your reviews and demonstration of the guns. Your videos get into the details I want to know, the subtle differences between models, air caps etc.
@@davidparker9676 it's just the fitting on the bottom of the gun take the fitting off and get a couple drill bits and make the inside bigger. I also use high flo fittings you can find them at home Depot get some and compare the size of the air passage make the air passage for the fitting at gun match the diameter of the passage in the high flo fitting. Simple. Also do not use a cheater valve at the gun regulate pressure at the wall meaning set the cheater valve (you know the air regulator at the gun people use) set that to wide open and then with trigger fully pulled set air pressure at the wall to desired and then remove the regulator at the gun do not use quick disconnect attach the gun to the air hose and combined with the porting of the air fitting at the gun your lph400 should be close to twice as fast. You can and should polish the fitting after you drill it out. Just a little bit. The inside not the outside run a few grits like 180 400 1000 just roll up small piecesinto tubes and run them a few times to polish the inside of the fitting after you drill it out.
Hello, Pete another great video. question for you. I see iwata just came out with SERIES 2 WS-400 BASE OBS gun but will not be released in the USA unit the end of November. Do you know if they are available in the UK yet?
Hi Tony, yes they were released in the UK on 1st June, also the rest of Europe, all the UK sellers are saying UK sales only so won't ship outside the UK.
Pete I tried buying series 2 and they won't ship to me here in the states. If I compensated you would you be willing to help me out? I want one for myself I'm not going to sell it or anything. Either way cheers ty for this video I thought about buying a wider4 but I recall you saying it's a pretty slow gun which I am on the fence about. Is the air cap the determining factor as for the speed of the gun?
@@Mike-qo4kp Hi Mike, yes, all uk suppliers will only ship to the UK, it's part of the agreement of sale in the UK, its due for release in the America's in November apparently, I wouldn't really want to get involved in shipping one especially if it was to go missing or something, hope you understand. The pressure of the Wider4L is the thing that holds it back delivery wise, if you increased that it would be faster although too much and patern would suffer, if you want faster a WBX or WB would be better
Hey Pete I was wondering what the Wider4 was all about and if it replaced a current gun but I couldn't really find out much about it as to me it looks the same as the Kiwami4 but now I know. It's amazing how good the final finish is on the clearcoat with only 1.1bar and it's as good as the w400/Kiwami4 with a nice flat glossy finish, thanks for doing these vids Pete 👏🙏👍 As is usual with YT these days I didn't know you had a new vid up, I have to check all my subs to see if anything is new and found this 🙄🤦♂️ All 4 of my wings have been stripped back to bare metal and are now in primer so are ready for sanding and paint 👍
Hi John, it is quite complicated hence the start of the video, there are loads of variables, the Wider range is to replace the W400 range, the Kiwami4 series is to replace your Bellaria as they have 4 tip sizes with the same cap BA4 cap, the WB and WBX as you can see has the 3 split tip, the Wider4L, and only the L not the other Wider4s has a 4 split nozzle as per the LS/ WS range, I've only been up to speed on these over the past 18 months, wasn't sure of the differences myself on all of them till now. They also do a Wider1L which i have one of, this runs at 1 bar and is equally as good, it was an unused bargain on ebay a few years ago, look forward to seeing some new colours that you stole from me on the wings mate 🤣😅😂🤪, cheers 👍
Hey Pete, ah I see now I understand a bit more as to which of the Wider and Kiwami4 guns replace the W400 range but all the tips and air caps just goes over my head 🤯😂 you would think there would be more guns that will lay clear at 1-1.1bar as it's a low pressure which must save on the compressor unless the volume of air being used is still quite high. I have got a couple of colours that you may not have seen but not sure if you will like them, I just can't stop myself pinching your colours as they are usually very nice, it's just my age and the fact that it's hard to find ones I like 🙄🙄🤦♂️
@@JohnWD40TC02 It was only tongue in cheek mate, I think we are about even as far as pinching each others colours, let's face it, the manufacturers got there first anyway 🤣, the air holes are quite big in the Wider4L so the air consumption isn't that brilliant, it around 260lm which is more or less the same as our Bellarias which is not as high as some as you know, cheers buddy 👍
Hello Pete I see a lot of people are saying that the LPH400 (WIDER4L) is slow , but the trigger man (another CZcams channel) says that it’s a pretty fast gun🤔it might be the way of the painting technique? Might be spraying pretty close to the panel ? Thanks for the great video always! 👌🏻
Hi buddy, I guess it depends on what you are comparing it to, but generally, the LPH400/Wider4L series is quite slow as they don't put out that much material. It will, of course, depend on the pressure you spray at. The LPH400 is generally designed to be used at low pressure, normally 16psi, and it can perform well at that pressure. If, and I know many people do, you run it around 26 to 27 psi for clear coat, it will be faster as it will draw more fluid through, even at that pressure they aren't particularly fast compared to the standard W400 Bellaria with the same size tip which is the logical thing to compare it to really
@@peteshobbies5383 thanks for the response. Yes , the trigger man sprays clear at 20 psi . Here is a video he’s spraying with the LPH400 LV4 cap. czcams.com/video/Sw5huGhKRQA/video.htmlsi=qdgx1MJOFkdxyNi8
Beautiful job! I love iwatas. I'm from the US so we have the lph400. I have the lph400 LVXB gold cap. Lays clear smooth. What is that paint and color code?
Hi Pete. Do you know if the wider4L cap would fit the kiwami4 wbx gun? The reason I ask is Ive seen people use the LV4 cap from an LPH400 on a W400 with the 3 cut tulip for flatter clear coats. Just wonder if you could do the same with the replacement Iwatas. Love your vids. Cheers
Hi Marc, Yes, the Wider4L cap will fit the Kiwami4 WBX and the WB, I haven't seen a LV4 cap as we don't get them over here although I have just picked up a LPH400 with the orange cap
One more question. Do you happen to know if the Wider4L air cap needs to be oriented or aligned in a certain clock position in relation to the tulip cuts on the fluid nozzle like the ws400 s1?
Hi Mark, no, it doesn't. The Wider4L runs at a lower pressure and has different size air holes in the tip, so the fan separation isn't a problem , it seems only the WS Clear version is affected in this way, that's down to the size of the air holes in the tip which are larger that any other tulip tip
I love that color, is that a pearl paint? I have the LPH 400, orange cap. great for base and clear. gun hardly uses material. I have the US gun. What is the Wider4L mean? My gun has a massive fan. I'm torn between the meiji finer force gun maybe T or another LPH400. another gun I'm look at is the Iwata LS400
Hi Stanley, yes, it's a 3 stage pearl paint, the Wider4L is just the newer, and so far only Asian markets, W400 and LPH400 gun's. They only make the one cap at the moment but I'm sure as time goes by that will increase as it takes over in new markets. The Finer Force is a midi gun so not really competing with the LPH400, it's fine if you want a smaller gun though, they also make a Finer Core, centre cup and a bit bigger, both very good 👍
Hi Buddy, considering they have the same body, they are quite different. The Wider4L works at a much lower pressure, it's also slower and has finer atomisation, it's also more money. If you don't mind the sacrifice in speed and money, then Wider4L is the better gun
Hi Pete I've watched this at least 2 times and torn between the wbx, and the wider4/wider4L, I'm looking for something fast and will lay down smooth and flat. What do you recommend overall for base/clear? Unless you'd like to suggest something else other than wbx/wider series. Budget and air supply are no problem for me. Thanks!
Hi buddy, if a flat finish is your main priority, then the WBX is the one to go for, if speed and a good finish, comparable to a factory finish or better is what you are after the Wider4 is the one to go for. The Wider4L gives a good factory style finish but is slower than the others. However, it has the least overspray of the lot due to its low pressure , hope that helps 👍
What material saving my lph 400 saved me a lot of material compared to all my other guns and I'm looking to get something similar. I'm looking into the wider4L what do you think?@@peteshobbies5383
I would be interested in your thoughts on using the 4L air cap on the wbx gun and nozzle. When I put the lph400lv4 cap on my w400wbx I get a flat and thin pattern.
Hi buddy, yes, there are some experiments I has lined up, one will be to try the WBX cap with WS400 or any 4 split tip and try it at 16psi because the WBX cap looks the same as the LVX cap on the LPH400, I will have a go with the setup you suggest as well 👍
Hi Pete, watched many of your video's and noticed that you have previously stated that it's easier to get a flat finish with better clear coats. Seen a comparison video of Max Meyer 0300 Vs Upol 2080. What clear would you recommend for car panels? Many thanks
Hi George, I've been using 7 different clears lately to experiment with and yes, the more expensive clears can give a flatter finish, the main reason for this is they flow out easier so are imo more forgiving and don't suffer from sags and runs as much. If your in the UK i would recommend the Multi Mix2 HS clear, i get along with the Upol 2080 very well but it isn't as easy to get a good finish, it's likes to be put on relatively heavy as it doesn't flow as well, once your used to this it's fine and I've been using it for years, also it's best to warm the clear up first as it helps it flow
Hello Pete. Not sure you'll have the answer to this but, do you think the w400 wbx aircap would fit the lph 400? I know you weren't offered that model over there but I cant help but feel like the bodys would be the same. They both have the tulip nozzle so the hole should be the same diameter but im curious and the thread pattern on the w400 being the same as the lph400. Thanks for all you do. Its amazing
As far as i know David the body's are all the same, different markings but all LPH400 and W400 body's use the same thread on the cap so there's no reason why a WBX cap wouldn't fit the LPH400, WBX normally has a 3 cutout nozzle not the 4 that the LPH has but it would be fine i think
Yes, i think that's correct, the lvx uses a 4 split tip and the wbx 3 splits, i will try the wbx cap with the 4 split tip from the WS400 to see what it's like 👍
Yes, i would think so, I have friends in Spain and the temperature there is the summer is similar with lots of sunshine and I've used it on there cars and it's been fine, oldest is a repair from 5 years ago and it's not degraded at all
As far as air consumption goes, they use about the same as the standard Wider4 runs at a higher pressure. If you can afford the Wider4L, then that would be the one to go for as the split tip does help atomisation
Hi Mate, 1.2 is a small tip for primer, but i use a little ANI GF3, i have one i drilled the tip out to 1.8 and a 1.2, cheap and not bad, if your after a full size gun the ANI F160 is good
@@peteshobbies5383 ultra bc8 primer sprays very thin and is runny. Right now I prime with 1.3 kiwami4. It puts out too much material. I guess I could just choke it up a bit but I wanted a budget primer gun. Prolite with a 1.2 does a great job but it’s a bit overkill for primer. Thanks for the suggestion.
The Wider4 has a shorter thicker pattern than a Kiwami4 and is much wetter so even in 1.2 would be to much i think if the Kiwami4 is to much in 1.3. So for wet on wet primer which bc8 primer much be if it's that thin the Walcom Slim Kombat is a good gun, not sure how much it is where you are though
Hi buddy, Iwata doesn't designate any caps as HTE, the Wider4L uses an HVLP cap, and it uses a lot of air even though it has a low running pressure. The Wider4 uses less air but it's still around 8 cfm at 2 bar, with your setup you can run the Wider4 but it would only be one or two panels at a time before you needed to stop to allow build-up of pressure, you would also need a proper regulator to keep air pressure constant
@peteshobbies5383 yes for the 600ml cup, not the throw away cups, looking for the piece to screw in the gun so I can screw in the 600ml or 1000ml cup, thanks
Hi Eric, It's quite different rather than better, the Bellaria is more of a power gun, by that i mean it puts out much more material than the Wider4L, twice as much in fact given the same tip size, the Bellaria is not as refined as the Wider4L, the 4L operates at almost half the pressure so has less overspray, they are both really good gun's but aimed at different users i think 👍
Hola petes espero puedas responder mi pregunta, estaba pensando en adquirir uno de estos pero estando viendo vídeos y leyendo comentarios, veo que ahy mucho rociado al aire, ya que mi principal mentalidad era precisamente comprarlo por qué no provocaba un exceso de rociado o su rociado al aire era muy mínimo, pero veo que no es así, aún así quiero saber que tal el consumo de material como anda, realmente ahorra en comparación por ejemplo con un 1.3 de cualquier otra marca de pistola???
Hola amigo, estas pistolas en realidad no dan una gran cantidad de exceso de rociado, funcionan a una presión más baja, por lo que la mayor parte del material va al panel. El problema con esta prueba es que hay muchas áreas de rociado libre donde la pistola está rociando en el aire, esto no sucede si el panel está en el automóvil, normalmente se absorbe en el papel o plástico que cubre el automóvil, ¿verdad? visto este video? , muy poco exceso de rociado, czcams.com/video/Hx_WpDvwPPA/video.html
Hi Erik, this one was the 1.4, they also make a 1.6 which does flow more material at the same pressure, unfortunately i don't have one so can't say if the atomisation would be as good, often, if the tip is too big it can sometimes overwhelm the cap so may not be as good.
@@peteshobbies5383 oh ok. I bought the kiwami4 long ago off your review. Think ill shoot for this one too. I recently looking at the lph400. I heard this one is the replacement
@@Erik7prc Yes, this is the replacement although there is only one cap available for this at the moment whereas there a few different caps for the LPH400
They are quite different, there are two WS400 types, a OBS and a clear version, either WS400 is much more of everything including much more overspray with the clear version being a little more of everything compared to the OBS version, they run at almost twice the pressure and has a higher fluid output
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks for the quick reply. I'm wondering if the WB, WBX caps would increase the litres/min on Wider4L and with the advantages of the 4 split tulip nozzle
@Pete's Hobbies thanks for the fast reply Pete much appreciated. I was starting to worry that mine isn't genuine but then again I did get it from same seller you did- paintingtool japan. I can't wait to give it a go just waiting for pps adapter to come in
Paintingtool_jp is an official Anest Iwata dealer, so you know it's going to be genuine. They are very good guns and considering the price, an absolute bargain in this day and age, be interesting to hear what you think of it 👍
So I finally had some time to try out my wider 4l in a 1.3 with the cut nozzle, and yes, Peete I definitely did notice it uses less material and I noticed myself moving alot slower to get it to lay out than I usually do with my 1.4 lph 400 but still great gun I love it for the price
HI Nimz, although it's a low pressure gun it's air consumption is quite high at around 10cfm at 16psi, of course it will also be relevant as to the size of your holding tank, a big tank would see you through
@@peteshobbies5383 Thx for the reply. My tank is 60L. I assumed my comp would put out more volume because of low pressure that is required. Based on your experience could you recommend a lower cfm gun? or is 60L adequate?
If you are only doing a panel at a time then you would get away with the compressor you have as long as the panels aren't big, i would recommend the Kiwami4 BA4J setup as it's quite good on air, around 7.5 cfm, make sure you have a regulator with a diaphragm so the pressure doesn't drop to the gun as your spraying
Hi Andrew, the split tips will fit the guns with the standard tip, the needle for the same size is also the same, the problem with be the cap, the none split nozzle caps have a smaller front hole as the standard tip is smaller so the split tip won't fit through the centre of a BA4J unfortunately 👍
@@andrewcalixte2945 Hi Andrew, changing the tip and cap would work fine, the problem is the two parts as not far from the price of a complete gun, sorry i do not have a link but know they are expensive
Thank you so much for this video! I have been trying to figure out more about the new replacement for some of the Iwata guns. I have the Kiwami4 1.3 and it is such a great gun it shoots better than the W-400 to me and the price is unbelievable.
Hi buddy, yes, they are very good guns and excellent value for money, I like doing the videos so great to hear you enjoyed it, thanks for watching 👍
Have new wider lph and kiwami wbx and I like both of them but wbx its a winner. Thanks again for your hard work !
Thanks Walter, much appreciated 👍
How does the new WIDER 4L spray compare to the LPH-400?
Hi Eric, I can't say for sure, sorry, I'm in the UK and we don't get the LPH400 so i haven't used one, this should be very similar as it's the replacement but as i understand it there is a few different aircaps in the US
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you.
Keep doing what you are doing I thoroughly enjoy your videos
Hi Danny, Thank you mate, it's very much appreciated 👍
Nice video Pete! Wow that air pressure really is low, ideal first time spryer if you could get it in this country, I bet you can learn a lot from that! Lovely colour purple as well. Your right about the emissions I have watched a few car channels from the US and it’s one thing that gets mentioned a lot. Cheers Pete. See you the next one.
Thanks Steve, yes, It's been mentioned by a few that something like this is good for learning with as it's quite restrained but good quality, the low pressure also helps as it all adds to sense of control because a lack of noise, overspray etc, cheers mate 👍
Pete thanks for having the most in depth review of this gun thus far, I owned it for the better part of a month and heres my verdict. For starters I'm from America and I know many from here are wondering how it holds up to the original lph400 and in my experience your best off buying that; the wider 4L is literally an lph400 with the LV4 aircap at a cheaper price with the pattern length, fluid consumption, and atomizing pressure all being the same only difference is the gun body and there are less threads for the air cap meaning previous caps will not fit although the fluid nozzles/needle will. the lvx equivalent is available only in russia as the kiwami4L and there is no LVB equivalent available, further more iwata USA does not carry the wider or kiwami series.
Hi James, thanks for you words, it will help others that read this.
The Wider and Kiwami 4 series are only available in Japan at the moment so I'm not sure when they will make it elsewhere, just to say, the tips are interchangeable but the needle isn't, the Wider4L and Kiwami4 needle is shorter.
I'm sure there will be more variations of cap available later as the models develop but we will see, cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 forgot to add this, the lph400 lv4 air cap and the wider 4L VJ2 cap actually make the gun more of a MVLP. In regards to your fluid needle comment the wider and kiwami4 use the exact same one for 1.3 and 1.4 fluid nozzle
Hi James, the volume of material put out is certainly low so you could be right, it's just advertised as HVLP.
My comment re the needle was referring to the Wider4 and Kiwami4 needle being shorter than the LPH400 and W400 and indeed the original WS and LS400 for that matter as the latter 4 all share the same needle.
Iwata have keeped the same idea with the Wider4 series and Kiwami4 in that 1.3, 1.4 and 1.6 all have the same needle but as i say, it's shorter than LPH400/W400
Nice vid Pete. For most Base coats the LPH400 air cap of choice is the LVX and the LVB for those difficult colours out there. The Wider 4L is available in the LVX set up but only in the Russian market that I’ve been able to locate. I’ve not even found it for sale in LVX configuration in either Japan or the USA. Also I’ve not seen the Wider LVX air cap sold separately yet and I don’t believe that they have released a LVB cap either. I agree it is a very good gun but fluid delivery is low and so the speed of the gun is matched to this but as you say there is very little overspray. Still it is well worth it and in fact Brian from the Paint Society rated it as his most favourite gun out there which is high praise indeed. I was once told by iwata uk that the reason the gun was not imported into the UK was because of differences in paint specs used here. Read into that what you will. All I can say is that I’ve never had any issues myself. Looking forward to the next vid. Keep em coming
Hi buddy, I've seen the LVX version and the LV4 versions but not heard of the LVB cap, when i say seen i mean advertised, I never physically seen a LPH400 in any guise although it's just a W400 body, thanks for the information 👍
I agree ..I’d test the gun through all stages of the painting process to see how it performs..loving the videos pete, I like how your very descriptive on the gun settings and the gun itself..loving the kiwami4, can’t wait to try this one out..I live in Southern California so the LPH I s pretty popular over here and I had the chance to spray with it a couple times and loved it so I’d probably love this one..
Thanks Pete
Hi Frank, good to hear your liking the videos mate, I do try and get as much in as possible although i do drift off sometimes😉, I was really surprised by how good this was as an all rounder, it wouldn't win any prices for speed but that's not what it designed for and it used a far bit less material, appreciate the kind words buddy, much appreciated 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 that’s good to know Pete thanks, I always look forward to your videos. I had the chance to also purchase the walcom slim kombat HTE and before I bought it I looked to see if Pete had reviewed it and you did which was awesome 👍🏻😂, and that gun is another one of my favorites. We appreciate you and your content buddy have a good weekend, My reminders are set for future vids..
@@frankvalencia9227 I really like the Slim Kombat, it's nice and light as well which is handy, thanks again mate 👍
Thank you pete nobody is covering the wider4L gun like you have here. I'm noticing the split to your pattern isn't there like with my w400 bellaria and LPH400 and you're running it full fan thats good to see because with my iwatas I turn in my fan one full turn sometimes two turns in to accommodate for the weird splitting going on.
Iwata is making new supernovas and they mentioned they fixed the splitting problem. I can't wait to see what else they have in store
Thanks buddy, I've never used the LPH400 but i do use full fan on my Bellaria without problems, I do have to back the fan off on the WS400 and LS400 as most do to stop, as you say, the pattern splitting.
I'm in the process of getting the new WS400 so looking forward to seeing how it preforms, cheers 👍
I'm wondering if the split you're not seeing in his pattern could be due to not running the gun far upwards of the suggested pressure. Hardly anyone that claims to use the LPH400 sprays at the pressure stated on the cap unless it's the LVB, possibly due to trying to apeed the gun up, I suppose . I find it odd that Pete is spraying at 16 (1.1 bar), and it is atomizing just fine.
@@bosshawg7427 About 8 months ago after watching the “society of paint” video regarding the fan settings, I did get my pattern to stop splitting thankfully.
You basically depress the trigger and slowly close the fan, from open and as soon as it affects the pressure you have the most concentrated fan
@kr2513 I now have an orange cap LPH400 and have no trouble with the fan splitting.
Normally, a fan will split if the pressure is too high for the viscosity of the material to be sprayed.
People often try a gun with just thinners in it, which is fine but it won't perform correctly at a higher pressure.
There should be no need to turn the fan in on these certainly up to 26 psi with correctly thinned basecoat and 32 psi with HS or UHS clears, the only gun you may have to do this with is the WS400 series 1 clear coat gun
I have been considering a kiwami4 or wider4 1.8mm for primer because i am tired of primer guns not being good enough for me. I run all 3 Devilbiss DV1 guns made for my mini, my base, and my clear guns. I tried the Devilbiss flg 1.8mm and sold it because i absolutely hated it
Hi William, I think you will be disappointed by the Kiwami4 1.8 and the Wider4 1.8, I know I was underwhelmed by the Kiwami4,
czcams.com/video/9vYF97CXDbQ/video.html
My two favourite primer guns are the ANI F160 in 1.9 and the Sagola 3300 1.8, both performing better than the Kiwami4 and the FLG5
I love your reviews. Briefly and to the point.👍
Thanks Krzysztof, much appreciated 👍
Love your reviews Pete and I have a special request, please demo the LVB aircap from iwata it's a purple cap especially for the lph400 and especially for clear coat. You mY have to use very low air and spray right close to the panel (as it's designed for) but the story goes a painter who sprays Lamborghinis uses that setup to replicate the fininsh. I'm actually looking around for the setup to buy in a 1.4
Thanks for this information. I have a few gun from iwata, and I was looking for 2 more w400 belaria. Thanks good job congratulations
Thanks Adrian, it depends where you are, but the Kiwami4 BA4J is normally cheaper than the Bellaria and sprays the same
@@peteshobbies5383 hi, I am in the United Kingdom, i know is cheaper but I am spraying per month almost 70 jobs. I need good quality. And belaria it is and has a good price.
That's a really nice colour
Hi Shaq, it really is isn't it, camera doesn't do it justice, cheers buddy 👍
Hey Pete, thanks for the video, I am a Novice with a poorly ventilated garage, I also find it hard to maintain good overlaps when spraying fast, so I am looking for a gun that I can spray slow with low overspray, Looks like the Wider4L-V14 might be my best bet! Cheers.
Hi Mate, it's certainly one to consider, as it works at such a low pressure, for a full size gun anyway, its very good at keeping the overspray down, the only drawback i can see for the chap at home is air consumption, even though the pressure is low they still consumption a fair amount of air, if that's not a worry then, yes, highly recommended
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks for the advice, I am currently using a HF purple gun, which is around the same consumption at 9CFM. My compressor is 30gal 7.5CFM. Otherwise I would love the larger fan of the kiwami4-v14WBX, but I saw it uses 13CFM which is just a bit too much for my compressor I think?
@@bluestripes1 The Kiwami4 WBX uses a lot of air but the Kiwami4 BA4J, the one with the brown cap uses the same as the Wider4L, however, the Kiwami4 BA4J is much faster and produces more overspray so probably isn't the best for you
Fantastic review Pete. I think im going to get me one. I have the lph400 but i really like the way the wider sprays. Keep them coming. 👍
Thanks David, it's basically the new version of the LPH400 , better in the hand, much more of a modern feel, I've never used a LPH400 but it's the same body as the W400 and the Wider4L is much more rounded in the hand, I don't think the spraying performance has changed compared to the LPH400, as i say, i haven't used one but it's definitely a great performer, cheers 👍
Cały czas z uporem maniaka powtarzam że Iwata to najlepszy pistolet na świecie.Sam osobiście mam ich 5.
Tak, mam więcej Iwatów niż ktokolwiek inny, mam naprawdę za dużo pistoletów lakierniczych 😂
For smaller jobs, I really like the slow LPH400. It is too slow for a complete respray on a car though.
It is also a good choice for new painters because it is a slower gun, it takes more effort to make a big mistake.
Very wise words David 👌, it would be a good gun for a new painter for the reasons you have outlined, I've never used a LPH400 but this will be the same and i must say, i was quite impressed with it.
I've used it for some bike stuff and was happy with that as well, in fact, it's quite suited to the bike parts being smaller, appreciate the comments as always buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 I appreciate your reviews and demonstration of the guns. Your videos get into the details I want to know, the subtle differences between models, air caps etc.
Port your lph400 it becomes much faster!
@@Mike-qo4kp Do you know of any videos demonstrating porting the LPH?
@@davidparker9676 it's just the fitting on the bottom of the gun take the fitting off and get a couple drill bits and make the inside bigger. I also use high flo fittings you can find them at home Depot get some and compare the size of the air passage make the air passage for the fitting at gun match the diameter of the passage in the high flo fitting. Simple. Also do not use a cheater valve at the gun regulate pressure at the wall meaning set the cheater valve (you know the air regulator at the gun people use) set that to wide open and then with trigger fully pulled set air pressure at the wall to desired and then remove the regulator at the gun do not use quick disconnect attach the gun to the air hose and combined with the porting of the air fitting at the gun your lph400 should be close to twice as fast.
You can and should polish the fitting after you drill it out. Just a little bit. The inside not the outside run a few grits like 180 400 1000 just roll up small piecesinto tubes and run them a few times to polish the inside of the fitting after you drill it out.
Thanks pete for sharing that information another great video well explained 👍
Thanks mate, much appreciated 👍
Hello, Pete another great video. question for you. I see iwata just came out with SERIES 2 WS-400 BASE OBS gun but will not be released in the USA unit the end of November. Do you know if they are available in the UK yet?
Hi Tony, yes they were released in the UK on 1st June, also the rest of Europe, all the UK sellers are saying UK sales only so won't ship outside the UK.
Pete I tried buying series 2 and they won't ship to me here in the states. If I compensated you would you be willing to help me out? I want one for myself I'm not going to sell it or anything. Either way cheers ty for this video I thought about buying a wider4 but I recall you saying it's a pretty slow gun which I am on the fence about. Is the air cap the determining factor as for the speed of the gun?
@@Mike-qo4kp Hi Mike, yes, all uk suppliers will only ship to the UK, it's part of the agreement of sale in the UK, its due for release in the America's in November apparently, I wouldn't really want to get involved in shipping one especially if it was to go missing or something, hope you understand.
The pressure of the Wider4L is the thing that holds it back delivery wise, if you increased that it would be faster although too much and patern would suffer, if you want faster a WBX or WB would be better
Hey Pete I was wondering what the Wider4 was all about and if it replaced a current gun but I couldn't really find out much about it as to me it looks the same as the Kiwami4 but now I know. It's amazing how good the final finish is on the clearcoat with only 1.1bar and it's as good as the w400/Kiwami4 with a nice flat glossy finish, thanks for doing these vids Pete 👏🙏👍
As is usual with YT these days I didn't know you had a new vid up, I have to check all my subs to see if anything is new and found this 🙄🤦♂️ All 4 of my wings have been stripped back to bare metal and are now in primer so are ready for sanding and paint 👍
Hi John, it is quite complicated hence the start of the video, there are loads of variables, the Wider range is to replace the W400 range, the Kiwami4 series is to replace your Bellaria as they have 4 tip sizes with the same cap BA4 cap, the WB and WBX as you can see has the 3 split tip, the Wider4L, and only the L not the other Wider4s has a 4 split nozzle as per the LS/ WS range, I've only been up to speed on these over the past 18 months, wasn't sure of the differences myself on all of them till now.
They also do a Wider1L which i have one of, this runs at 1 bar and is equally as good, it was an unused bargain on ebay a few years ago, look forward to seeing some new colours that you stole from me on the wings mate 🤣😅😂🤪, cheers 👍
Hey Pete, ah I see now I understand a bit more as to which of the Wider and Kiwami4 guns replace the W400 range but all the tips and air caps just goes over my head 🤯😂 you would think there would be more guns that will lay clear at 1-1.1bar as it's a low pressure which must save on the compressor unless the volume of air being used is still quite high.
I have got a couple of colours that you may not have seen but not sure if you will like them, I just can't stop myself pinching your colours as they are usually very nice, it's just my age and the fact that it's hard to find ones I like 🙄🙄🤦♂️
@@JohnWD40TC02 It was only tongue in cheek mate, I think we are about even as far as pinching each others colours, let's face it, the manufacturers got there first anyway 🤣, the air holes are quite big in the Wider4L so the air consumption isn't that brilliant, it around 260lm which is more or less the same as our Bellarias which is not as high as some as you know, cheers buddy 👍
😂 I'm going to withhold all paint codes unless there is a financial incentive for me to release them 😛😆😉
@@JohnWD40TC02 that's just playing dirty 😂🤣😘
Hello Pete
I see a lot of people are saying that the LPH400 (WIDER4L) is slow , but the trigger man (another CZcams channel) says that it’s a pretty fast gun🤔it might be the way of the painting technique? Might be spraying pretty close to the panel ? Thanks for the great video always! 👌🏻
Hi buddy, I guess it depends on what you are comparing it to, but generally, the LPH400/Wider4L series is quite slow as they don't put out that much material.
It will, of course, depend on the pressure you spray at. The LPH400 is generally designed to be used at low pressure, normally 16psi, and it can perform well at that pressure.
If, and I know many people do, you run it around 26 to 27 psi for clear coat, it will be faster as it will draw more fluid through, even at that pressure they aren't particularly fast compared to the standard W400 Bellaria with the same size tip which is the logical thing to compare it to really
@@peteshobbies5383 thanks for the response. Yes , the trigger man sprays clear at 20 psi .
Here is a video he’s spraying with the LPH400 LV4 cap.
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Nice one Pete enjoyed that one 👍👍👍
Thanks as always mate 👍
Beautiful job! I love iwatas. I'm from the US so we have the lph400. I have the lph400 LVXB gold cap. Lays clear smooth. What is that paint and color code?
Thanks Stanley, it a Lamborghini colour, code is 0172 and it's called Viola Pasifae , really nice in the sunshine, thanks again buddy 👍
I have both those guns 🤘
Good guns 👍
Whats up pete? Would it be a bad thing to spray at almost 2 bars with a 4:1 clear for flat finish
Hi Mate, you can spray at what you think is best for you, but I would think you won't need that sort of pressure to get a great finish
Hi Pete. Do you know if the wider4L cap would fit the kiwami4 wbx gun? The reason I ask is Ive seen people use the LV4 cap from an LPH400 on a W400 with the 3 cut tulip for flatter clear coats. Just wonder if you could do the same with the replacement Iwatas. Love your vids. Cheers
Is the cap on the wider4L the LV4 equvalent?
Hi Marc, Yes, the Wider4L cap will fit the Kiwami4 WBX and the WB, I haven't seen a LV4 cap as we don't get them over here although I have just picked up a LPH400 with the orange cap
One more question. Do you happen to know if the Wider4L air cap needs to be oriented or aligned in a certain clock position in relation to the tulip cuts on the fluid nozzle like the ws400 s1?
Hi Mark, no, it doesn't. The Wider4L runs at a lower pressure and has different size air holes in the tip, so the fan separation isn't a problem , it seems only the WS Clear version is affected in this way, that's down to the size of the air holes in the tip which are larger that any other tulip tip
I love that color, is that a pearl paint? I have the LPH 400, orange cap. great for base and clear. gun hardly uses material. I have the US gun. What is the Wider4L mean? My gun has a massive fan.
I'm torn between the meiji finer force gun maybe T or another LPH400. another gun I'm look at is the Iwata LS400
Hi Stanley, yes, it's a 3 stage pearl paint, the Wider4L is just the newer, and so far only Asian markets, W400 and LPH400 gun's.
They only make the one cap at the moment but I'm sure as time goes by that will increase as it takes over in new markets.
The Finer Force is a midi gun so not really competing with the LPH400, it's fine if you want a smaller gun though, they also make a Finer Core, centre cup and a bit bigger, both very good 👍
How much psi u use for clearcoat?
Hi Benson, I pretty sure I put it in the video, but it was 16psi on this one 👍
Pete for clear what would take top choice standard kiwami4 in 1.3 or a wider 4L in 1.4 ? I'd love to hear you're opinion
Hi Buddy, considering they have the same body, they are quite different.
The Wider4L works at a much lower pressure, it's also slower and has finer atomisation, it's also more money.
If you don't mind the sacrifice in speed and money, then Wider4L is the better gun
Hi Pete I've watched this at least 2 times and torn between the wbx, and the wider4/wider4L, I'm looking for something fast and will lay down smooth and flat.
What do you recommend overall for base/clear? Unless you'd like to suggest something else other than wbx/wider series. Budget and air supply are no problem for me. Thanks!
Hi buddy, if a flat finish is your main priority, then the WBX is the one to go for, if speed and a good finish, comparable to a factory finish or better is what you are after the Wider4 is the one to go for.
The Wider4L gives a good factory style finish but is slower than the others. However, it has the least overspray of the lot due to its low pressure , hope that helps 👍
What material saving my lph 400 saved me a lot of material compared to all my other guns and I'm looking to get something similar. I'm looking into the wider4L what do you think?@@peteshobbies5383
Pete what settings do you use for spraying clear with this gun psi? Fluid? Fan?
Hi Eric, I think I put them in the video, but it would be full fan, full fluid at 1.1bar or 16 psi
Saya sangat menyukai vidio2 anda tpi tidak ada sub Indonesia. Trimakasih
Hai, maaf, saya tidak memiliki kendali atas subtitle apa yang tersedia
I would be interested in your thoughts on using the 4L air cap on the wbx gun and nozzle. When I put the lph400lv4 cap on my w400wbx I get a flat and thin pattern.
Hi buddy, yes, there are some experiments I has lined up, one will be to try the WBX cap with WS400 or any 4 split tip and try it at 16psi because the WBX cap looks the same as the LVX cap on the LPH400, I will have a go with the setup you suggest as well 👍
Hi Pete, watched many of your video's and noticed that you have previously stated that it's easier to get a flat finish with better clear coats. Seen a comparison video of Max Meyer 0300 Vs Upol 2080. What clear would you recommend for car panels? Many thanks
Hi George, I've been using 7 different clears lately to experiment with and yes, the more expensive clears can give a flatter finish, the main reason for this is they flow out easier so are imo more forgiving and don't suffer from sags and runs as much.
If your in the UK i would recommend the Multi Mix2 HS clear, i get along with the Upol 2080 very well but it isn't as easy to get a good finish, it's likes to be put on relatively heavy as it doesn't flow as well, once your used to this it's fine and I've been using it for years, also it's best to warm the clear up first as it helps it flow
@@peteshobbies5383 many thanks Pete
@@georgekyriacou1338 your most welcome buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 dare I say that would be a good Idea for a video
It's in the making George, but I've chosen to keep it to 4 different one's, the Mipa CX4, MM2, Kapci 6030 and the good old Upol 2080 👍
Hello Pete. Not sure you'll have the answer to this but, do you think the w400 wbx aircap would fit the lph 400? I know you weren't offered that model over there but I cant help but feel like the bodys would be the same. They both have the tulip nozzle so the hole should be the same diameter but im curious and the thread pattern on the w400 being the same as the lph400. Thanks for all you do. Its amazing
As far as i know David the body's are all the same, different markings but all LPH400 and W400 body's use the same thread on the cap so there's no reason why a WBX cap wouldn't fit the LPH400, WBX normally has a 3 cutout nozzle not the 4 that the LPH has but it would be fine i think
@@peteshobbies5383 thanks Pete.
Your welcome David 👍
The wbx and the lvx caps are the same design with different labels.
Yes, i think that's correct, the lvx uses a 4 split tip and the wbx 3 splits, i will try the wbx cap with the 4 split tip from the WS400 to see what it's like 👍
Oh, and one more question. Do you think the upol 2080 clear would withstand texas summers were the daily temp is over 100 f daily for 2 months
Yes, i would think so, I have friends in Spain and the temperature there is the summer is similar with lots of sunshine and I've used it on there cars and it's been fine, oldest is a repair from 5 years ago and it's not degraded at all
@@peteshobbies5383 works for me, Thanks Pete
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Thanks as always buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 you're always very most welcome Buddy 😍 🙏
I use this gun for clear, it is fantastic. 1.3
Hi buddy, yes, they are a great gun for sure, I love the low overspray, and, as you say, you can get fantastic results with it, cheers 👍
What compressor I need to run this gun?
Hi buddy, at 16psi, these use around 10cfm. Obviously, if you bump the pressure up a bit, it will go up from there
@@peteshobbies5383 ok thanks. I have a 20 gallon. How do you think I will do ? About 5 cfm at 90 psi l. Tank is max 150
@lensvlog2400 You're going to struggle, I would think , it depends how much you have to do
@@peteshobbies5383 ok thanks. Which you think would be better for me wider 4 or wider 4L. Seeking to do panels at a time
As far as air consumption goes, they use about the same as the standard Wider4 runs at a higher pressure.
If you can afford the Wider4L, then that would be the one to go for as the split tip does help atomisation
Pete what would be your recommendation for a primer gun that doesn’t break the bank and comes with in 1.2 tip? The finer the atomization the better.
Hi Mate, 1.2 is a small tip for primer, but i use a little ANI GF3, i have one i drilled the tip out to 1.8 and a 1.2, cheap and not bad, if your after a full size gun the ANI F160 is good
@@peteshobbies5383 ultra bc8 primer sprays very thin and is runny. Right now I prime with 1.3 kiwami4. It puts out too much material. I guess I could just choke it up a bit but I wanted a budget primer gun. Prolite with a 1.2 does a great job but it’s a bit overkill for primer. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@peteshobbies5383 when I sprayed PPG high build primer at another shop I used a 1.8.
@@peteshobbies5383 how about the wider4? It does come in a 1.2
The Wider4 has a shorter thicker pattern than a Kiwami4 and is much wetter so even in 1.2 would be to much i think if the Kiwami4 is to much in 1.3.
So for wet on wet primer which bc8 primer much be if it's that thin the Walcom Slim Kombat is a good gun, not sure how much it is where you are though
Does the wider 4 or wider 4l have HTE caps? My compressor specs runs 5cfm at 90psi max and 6cfm at 40psi. 20-gallon Compressor.
Hi buddy, Iwata doesn't designate any caps as HTE, the Wider4L uses an HVLP cap, and it uses a lot of air even though it has a low running pressure.
The Wider4 uses less air but it's still around 8 cfm at 2 bar, with your setup you can run the Wider4 but it would only be one or two panels at a time before you needed to stop to allow build-up of pressure, you would also need a proper regulator to keep air pressure constant
Where do you get those threads adapter for the cups
Hi buddy, do you mean the small cups I sometimes use?
@peteshobbies5383 yes for the 600ml cup, not the throw away cups, looking for the piece to screw in the gun so I can screw in the 600ml or 1000ml cup, thanks
Hi Mate, The cups screw directly into the gun, so there's no adapter
@@peteshobbies5383 yes
@peteshobbies5383 ok where would I get those cups? Do you have a link? Thank you 😊
Hello. Does this paint gun spray better than the W-400 Bellaria? Thanks.
Hi Eric, It's quite different rather than better, the Bellaria is more of a power gun, by that i mean it puts out much more material than the Wider4L, twice as much in fact given the same tip size, the Bellaria is not as refined as the Wider4L, the 4L operates at almost half the pressure so has less overspray, they are both really good gun's but aimed at different users i think 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks a lot for the information.
Your welcome buddy 👍
Hola petes espero puedas responder mi pregunta, estaba pensando en adquirir uno de estos pero estando viendo vídeos y leyendo comentarios, veo que ahy mucho rociado al aire, ya que mi principal mentalidad era precisamente comprarlo por qué no provocaba un exceso de rociado o su rociado al aire era muy mínimo, pero veo que no es así, aún así quiero saber que tal el consumo de material como anda, realmente ahorra en comparación por ejemplo con un 1.3 de cualquier otra marca de pistola???
Hola amigo, estas pistolas en realidad no dan una gran cantidad de exceso de rociado, funcionan a una presión más baja, por lo que la mayor parte del material va al panel. El problema con esta prueba es que hay muchas áreas de rociado libre donde la pistola está rociando en el aire, esto no sucede si el panel está en el automóvil, normalmente se absorbe en el papel o plástico que cubre el automóvil, ¿verdad? visto este video? , muy poco exceso de rociado,
czcams.com/video/Hx_WpDvwPPA/video.html
@@peteshobbies5383 muy agradecido amigo déjeme ver el video muchas gracias
Good afternoon sir. Do you think the 1.4 would spray a bit faster but atomize just as well with the same amount of pressure?
Hi Erik, this one was the 1.4, they also make a 1.6 which does flow more material at the same pressure, unfortunately i don't have one so can't say if the atomisation would be as good, often, if the tip is too big it can sometimes overwhelm the cap so may not be as good.
@@peteshobbies5383 oh ok. I bought the kiwami4 long ago off your review. Think ill shoot for this one too. I recently looking at the lph400. I heard this one is the replacement
@@Erik7prc Yes, this is the replacement although there is only one cap available for this at the moment whereas there a few different caps for the LPH400
@@peteshobbies5383 how does it compare to the ws400 supernova? I heard someone say they spray the same.
They are quite different, there are two WS400 types, a OBS and a clear version, either WS400 is much more of everything including much more overspray with the clear version being a little more of everything compared to the OBS version, they run at almost twice the pressure and has a higher fluid output
Hi Pete, do the Kiwami4 WB caps fit the Wider4L?
Hi buddy, yes, the WB, WBX, and 4L will all interchange, although the 4L has a 4 split tip and the others a 3 split, but caps will all fit each other
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks for the quick reply. I'm wondering if the WB, WBX caps would increase the litres/min on Wider4L and with the advantages of the 4 split tulip nozzle
Yes, probably, because they run at a higher pressure, particularly the WBX cap, which runs at 2bar and has air holes around the same size as the 4L
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Hi pete does you needle on the wider 4l and kiami say 1.5 on them as well or is it just mine?
Hi mate, The needle on the 1.3, 1.4 and 1.6 are the same in all the Kiwami4, Wider4 and 4L so they all say the same, which is 1.5
@Pete's Hobbies thanks for the fast reply Pete much appreciated. I was starting to worry that mine isn't genuine but then again I did get it from same seller you did- paintingtool japan. I can't wait to give it a go just waiting for pps adapter to come in
Paintingtool_jp is an official Anest Iwata dealer, so you know it's going to be genuine. They are very good guns and considering the price, an absolute bargain in this day and age, be interesting to hear what you think of it 👍
So I finally had some time to try out my wider 4l in a 1.3 with the cut nozzle, and yes, Peete I definitely did notice it uses less material and I noticed myself moving alot slower to get it to lay out than I usually do with my 1.4 lph 400 but still great gun I love it for the price
Hi buddy, yes, they do work well. The 1.4 does speed it up, and they make a 1.6 as well, good gun's for the price 👍
Sorry newbie question. Since this gun uses very low pressure is it possible for me to paint single door panels with my 5cfm 90 psi compressor?
HI Nimz, although it's a low pressure gun it's air consumption is quite high at around 10cfm at 16psi, of course it will also be relevant as to the size of your holding tank, a big tank would see you through
@@peteshobbies5383 Thx for the reply. My tank is 60L. I assumed my comp would put out more volume because of low pressure that is required. Based on your experience could you recommend a lower cfm gun? or is 60L adequate?
If you are only doing a panel at a time then you would get away with the compressor you have as long as the panels aren't big, i would recommend the Kiwami4 BA4J setup as it's quite good on air, around 7.5 cfm, make sure you have a regulator with a diaphragm so the pressure doesn't drop to the gun as your spraying
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks so much for your help
Your welcome buddy 👍
Just want to know if those tips are interchangeable because i got 1.3j4
Hi Andrew, the split tips will fit the guns with the standard tip, the needle for the same size is also the same, the problem with be the cap, the none split nozzle caps have a smaller front hole as the standard tip is smaller so the split tip won't fit through the centre of a BA4J unfortunately 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 so then would purchasing both tip and nozzles are recommended just where can i do so could you show the link should you have
@@andrewcalixte2945 Hi Andrew, changing the tip and cap would work fine, the problem is the two parts as not far from the price of a complete gun, sorry i do not have a link but know they are expensive