Honda S2000 Track Comparison - Which Suspension Is Best?
Vložit
- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- Same day, same track, with three different AP2 S2000 builds. Suspension is the most interesting difference between them. Let's find out how they compare!
2006 Sebring Silver S2000 mod list:
KW V3 (9k/9k)
Tillett B8 seats
LHT brake master cylinder brace
AP Racing BBK
Eibach front sway bar
Flow rear rotors, pads, lines
Hard dog roll bar
Brake ducting
Differential mount collars
Subframe mount collars
OS Giken LSD
APEX VS-5RS w/ 255/40/17 RE71RS
APR wing
Racebred front splitter
Solid rubber OEM style engine mounts
2007 Rio Yellow S2000 mod list:
Ohlins TTX (unknown spring rates)
Spoon Rigid Collars
Apex SM-10RS w/ 255/40/17 ExtremeContact Force
Stoptech Trophy BBK
Tune for lower VTEC engagement
Other mods unknown
2006 Laguna Blue S2000 mod list:
Koyorad Radiator
Drilled Valve Cover Mod
Baffled Oil Pan
CT Engineering Icebox Intake
EVS 70 SSP Exhaust
JRZ RS Pro 2 way (16k/16k)
Stoptech Trophy BBK
ARP Extended Wheel Studs
Endless ME20 pads/fluid
J's Racing Camber Joints
Eibach Front Sway Bar
Spoon Suspension Bushing Set
Innovative Transmission Mount
Blox Diff Collars
Billman TCT
AP1 Flywheel
CDV Delete
Hybrid Racing Transmission Detent Springs
Group A - Voltex Rep Bumper w/ canards
Group A - ASM Rep Hood w/ Aerocatch Latches
Group A - EVS Style Fenders w/ CF vents
OEM Hardtop
Craftsquare Mirrors
255/40/17 RE71RS
Voltex Type 7
Momo Monte Carlo 350 w/ Works Bell QR
Follow me on IG: / zygrene
Email me if you'd like me to review your car: zygrene@gmail.com - Auta a dopravní prostředky
1.3 seconds with much slower contis and no aero is pretty impressive and speaks volumes about the shortcoming of the KW dampers. Looks like the yellow car could benefit from some alignment or setup changes too.
I’m sure KW makes great motorsports dampers, but I couldn’t stand my V3s (on E36 M3). They’re supposed to be street oriented coilovers that can handle some track use, but I found them to be pretty awful on the street, and entirely unimpressive on track.
Switched to Annex FastRoad Pro coilovers, and for $1000 less they’re everything I wanted the KWs to be.
I've had the chance to try high-end coilovers, complete with remote reservoirs, from each of these brands on my M3 over the past 20 years. Back in the day, JRZ, followed by Moton, really led the pack. Ohlins was also top-notch before their more affordable offerings took a dip in quality. KW was okay, but it just didn't match up to the quality and refinement of the others. Out of the three, my pick would be JRZ. However, there's an even better brand out there - MCS.
How does the MCS 1WNR compare to the Öhlins R&T and KW V3 Clubsport?
@@thecarsavant MCS dampers are constructed with superior components. The Ohlins Road & Track series is garbage IMO - I could never endorse it. However, the Ohlins TTX line is exceptional. That being said, the MCS 1-way will face challenges common to all 1-way systems. Thus, if adjustability is a priority for you, the KW V3 Clubsport may be a better choice. If it were up to me, I'd recommend saving up a bit more to purchase the MCS 2-way with remote reservoirs, which are in a league of their own compared to the V3 Clubsport.
I can’t believe with all the s2000 videos that you don’t own one at the moment.
Well that's exactly why I don't own one. I can drive them basically whenever I want LOL
@zygrene valid point. You and Kevin have me spinning whether to keep my gr86 paired with my type r or find something else. All this s2000 content makes it tempting.
Was looking for an upgrade to OEM AP2 sus, leaning towards DFV's with a front sway bar, thanks for the S2000 content!
That's pretty much the gold standard for ride comfort and the occasional track day. It won't slam the car if that's what you're looking for. I'm a dealer and would be happy to get you set up for a great price.
Squeaky (the yellow car) and I had just burned through a set of RE71RS's and while that tire gave my setup incredible grip and better lap times, I as a driver needed some real seats. With the slower and less grippy Conti's, the car is at the right balance and playfulness and that tire is very thermally stable; seems like it can play that way all day long which I did that day. End of the day I was exhausted. On my final session I burned through most of a tank of gas and only came off when I had an empty tank; tires were just warm to the touch.
Your amazing track driving skills really shone in this video! Three S2Ks with different tires and setup and you were able to handle the car well near/at the limit.
Don’t let all the seat time and experience with the FR platform go to waste! Looking forward to more FR/MR track content! 🔥
Nice comparison. 👍🏾 Scary part with the first S2K. Always look forward to your videos!
Definitely a WTF moment
Kw v3 < Ohlins DFV < JRZ R1 < Ohlins TTX < JRZ 12 31
How fun to be able to drive all these back to back like that! Awesome video and who doesn’t love rip some vtec
I've never turned down an offer to review an S2K on track
Excellent content.
Fantastic, thanks for sharing
Great driving 💪😊
Niiiiceeeeee. Great owners, great drivers, great cars, great video.
Seemed very smooth and zen like in Bluey.
That Blue S2 seemed spot on.
Hope you have some earplugs coz holy brake squealing batman. Did you think the rigid collars make a difference compared to the other S2ks?
Great video. What are the wheel offsets, these are all 255 square tire setups? Would love to have the KW clubsports included here because they are more track focused over the V3 which is street focused. Would also love to hear your opinion on the OSG diff vs stock as I imagined it would contribute more to lap times then it seems to be doing.
Yup all 255 square setups with 17" wheels. Unsure of the offsets. OSG diff definitely helps corner exit but I actually find that the OEM diff, if in good condition, does a pretty good job.
Do you know who tuned the OSG? Just curious.
honestly , the only way to really do a comparison is data, seem like there is aim logger on one car and it should be easy to install between the cars, that would be the only way to really see the difference.
Excellent.
Would be nice if you could check KW CS equipped car too because that’s more track enthusiast specific product than V3
Great comparison. I know the AP1 has some differences, but would you think the AP2 comparisons would translate similarly into AP1 going for similar setups? Thanks!
I would think the same mods would translate to the AP1 also, maybe with minor differences due to suspension geometry.
@@ZygreneAwesome! Thanks for the reply! Love your content!
Harris, how much was 15k mile s2k pick up? Awesome for adding both road and track miles on such a low mi pickup
you mean how much did I pay for it? I bought it for 32 back in April. had a few issues due to it sitting for a few years but after resolving them it turned out to be a very good buy. it's a sweet car with just the right mods now. just need to quiet the brakes a bit.
Nice video.
What model tillet seat and rail did they have???? Thanks!
I went over Tillett's website, and based on the overall shape, the seat looks like it's the B8 model with the optional two-panel cushion set added. The seat by itself is padded only on the headrest by default. Could be wrong, but I'm pretty confident it's the B8. Hope this helps
I had the same experience with the V3's. They also fall off and seem to get a lot worse when putting a lot of laps on them in a full session.
ahah just like the second s2000 I bought one with 25k miles in 2018 with the idea to enjoy it original and now it is modified and I track it as much as I can which is not much but still :) buy the finest showroom example and then trash it ahah well I keep it well honestly I just enjoy it as it should be enjoyed. nice review very interesting. I have the 71rs on my S660 here in Hong Kong and they really are incredible and well behaved on the road like a normal tire. My s2000 wear Nankang AR1 and it seems to be on a tractor tire in comparison
Looking for a set of wheels.. Id like to run 17x9 with 245s square. Does anyone have recommendations? Barber motorsport days and autocross. I dont want to roll fenders. Should i stick to a 60mm offset?
on the 2007 Rio Yellow S2000 what sequential shift light is that
What shift light is that in the yellow s2000?
you should test a "cheap" option like bc racing, to see the diference between a 1000$ and 4000$ like jrz
I've never been a fan of KWs for this platform, all of their off the shelf options are too soft for track duty. Even when they first came out they were slower than the other off the shelf options of the time, I'd only image this problem has gotten worse with how much sticker tires are now.
I've driven a couple of cars with KW Clubsports on the street, and they feel great. Need to try it on track next.
Actually, the V3 is designed to be a street coilover with occasional track use, but my Cayman drove better at autocross when I changed the compression and rebound from the default street setting. The general rule is lowest rebound and highest compression for your platform. Not sure what the actual clicks to set for the S2000 though.
@@DC5BrandonI know they aren't a dedicated track oriented coilover and imo they are too soft for your average hpde warrior but I see them recommended from time to time or in track builds. The V3 CR are barely an improvement over the V3. KW need to release a new coilover for the S2K, the V3s are from like the mid 2000s. I'm sure they could make something way better now
@@sbfd3s Yes, the V3 is categorized as "street performance" by KW. Even though off-the-shelf there is only a V3 Clubsport, you "could" get something custom made via Development Request. In theory, the options are V4/V5 Clubsport and V3/V4/V5/V6 Racing.
Someone from the US recently got them to develop a V5 for the NA1/2 NSX...
The best suspension is the one that has properly matching springs and damping for the specific car setup and driver.
Just get tractive, adjust it on the fly, forget the rest, forget that you had extra $6-9k before getting it.
I have kw v3 on my miata but never loved them either. Their sales pitch was they developed those shocks on a chassis dyno. The rear doesnt have enough travel or bottom out control and i frequently bottom out around town even on max ride height
It mostly bottoms out because the spring rate on KWs is so low. On a nc it is 5/4kg progressive. The dampers themselves are decent and have enough travel.
Any noticeable difference in the shifter feel on the blue car? I have been eyeing the Hybrid detent springs for a bit, but haven't seen much feedback on them.
TBH I didn't notice any difference in shifter feel, but I did notice I could shift quicker with the blue car (maybe due to the clutch)
They give a more solid engagement and disengagement in gears. I personally like them but some may find it too stiff. They’ve definitely broken in and got softer
Are those the 17x10 SM10RS on the Rio Yellow S2000?
Not sure if they're x10 or x9.5
@@Zygrene They're 10 then. Their 9.5 has that weird concave in the center, but convex towards the edge thing going on to help with brake clearance, but doesn't look as good as an actual concave face. However, I do wish Apex would make a slightly lower offset version of the 17x10 in 5x114.3 so that they'd look a tiny bit more concave hehe
you are correct!
RE-71RS's go off a little bit after 2-3 laps for me.
Seemed to be some understeer on the first car.
Did the second car have any copper grease inside the calipers?
Yeah the first car (silver) understeered more than the third (blue). Yellow car had the most under and over steer, probably because of the tires.
no would that help with squeal? it's honestly driving me nuts.
The squeal is likely just the C43 kit with race hardware on the rotors. It just be like that
@@DIYGuysvideo yeah no way around it; except of course to switch to a lesser caliper. since my car will not be turned fully into track focus I may do that in the future.
How were these compared to the prius? 😅
Prius stomps all over VTEC
You know alot people with these cars…what city yall in?
Bay Area (and California in general) has a ton of S2000s
I thought fortune auto are best coilovers in track market?
Why does the door on the blue s2000 look like a face imprint on it…
Someone backed into it with their SUV a couple months ago. 😢
Missing the best of class, MCS suspension.
Were those V3s or V3 club sports?
Nvm, description answered my question. You would like well setup clubsport set. Better damping profile for track work and slightly stiffer spring rates. The normal V3s are like a touge setup.
@@yasuke1075 yeah I've done a few canyon drives in other platforms equipped with KW CS and they feel great
16k/16k 😅
If you wanna drive another TTX car in a month or so, hit me up
Oooh boy I will take you up on that Nate. Will reach out
@@Zygrene hmu dude. I'll be in a sling for another week or two but I'll probably be coming out a bit after that.
Js racing.
Twss
please spare me with the "propriety mods" hush- you dont work for NASA ok.
Always say no to twin tubes... (KW)
HKS Hipermax Rs FTW for 2 way adjustable. Height/damping
Don't use the Oem hardtop on track. It will bend from forces in the corners and is very expensive and collectable these days
That's a lot of body flex then... no bueno
If u are gonna keep comparing s2k can u at least throw a miata in there somewhere not just the failed
Sport car please..
What would a random miata add to a suspension comparison?
@@harrybuhse8622 what does a discontinued car add to this world of faster and more modern cars?? All u guys idolize this and other old jap cars but its not until
U won one u find out that well.. they old lol there is a reason zygrene doesnt have one and so many other bought and sold them.
interesting video, but there are too many variables (wheels, tires, spring rates, dampeners, cost of suspension, how old each design is) to be accurate
5:40 gatekeeping is for losers grow up. @harrykwan734