From Wise to Wicked: When and Why Did Saruman Become Evil?
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- The tale of Saruman the White, is one of light corrupted and of wisdom twisted. But how and when did Saruman succumb to the darkness? What twisted path led him astray, and for how long did he secretly consort with the enemy? These questions shall find their answers within this video. Join me, as we unravel Saruman's fall from grace, a journey fraught with intrigue and betrayal.
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He turned evil when he found out rings of power made a second season.
Dont you mean season 1?
@@Amermito I stand corrected
Rings of power is dope.
@@argonian8581 You're the problem. You're the infection that the story line stomps out!
@@argonian8581 So you were part of the 37% who made it all the way thru the show? 37% is bad for a show with what 8 episodes?
This legendarium is complicated, it only gets "Arder"
HA!!!!
It is hard to keep track of all the characters involvement, it is so rich of characters, the true masterpiece and the depth of J.R.R.. Tolkien. What a legend
I love what Gandalf says to Saruman when discovering his treachery. There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will, and he does not share power." Gandalf never struggled with Saruman's lust for power, he did not see himself as an equal to Sauron... All the accolades and titles as well as being the "greatest" wizard sent, Saruman saw himself as a worthy opponent... Sure if he attained the Ring he might depose Sauron, but he would only have become him, a weaker, paler imitation... To be honest though, I don't think if he came close to obtaining it that he could withstand the Nazgul... Gandalf had a special propensity for light and fire that we don't see Saruman wield, and this is speculation, but I would imagine that Gandalf's pure heart is part of the reason he prevailed when facing evil.
“Tell me, friend. When did Saruman , the Wise abandoned reason for madness?!”
I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, but you elected the way of pain!
I have been waiting for a new video since last month.
I've had some issues regarding narration but I'm back on track now with plenty of scripts ready to go! Thanks for the comment 🙂
Nicely done, good selection of art, great presentaton voice! And you content, noting the sources of quotes has a legitimacy that many channels that don't provide their sources can't emulate. Thank you!
When did Saruman become evil? From the moment he became secretly envious of Gandalf in Aman. Pride awoke and so began a slow, depressing descent into evil.
Aule trained both Saruman and Sauron and created a race that destroyed and hated the creations of his wife. He is like, the third worst guy in the whole Legendarium.
Dwarves did not hate trees. Orcs hate. Dwarves just have need for trees and animals as any other children of Eru.
Aule is not a bad guy here. After all, he created all elements of of the universe from which Arda and maybe even Eä itself is made of. And he is not evil.
It would be unfair to blame Aule. Both Mairon and Curumo had their free will and turned evil out of their own volition.
@@matiasluukkanen7718 Maybe hate is an strong word but is fear? Did Gimli fear Fanghorn? Undoubtedly.
Dwarves do have need for trees but my point is that they ARE NOT children of Eru. Aule just created them because he is kind of a dick. And sure, if one of your Maiar goes bad, maybe that is just bad luck, but two? Bad mentorship.
So, is he evil? No, you are right; he absolutely is not. Yet, He is a terrible husband, an absentee teacher, and an amoral prick. I don't like him! But third worst WAS overkill, i grant you. All the best!
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I LOVE ALL things Tolkien, the real Tolkien, fantastic video and I love your channel it’s added as one of my favorites thank you and keep up the good work brother!!
Love the vid . Fantastic job.
This has quickly become my favourite lotr-Lore channel...these deeply analytic videos are just dope.
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This is so well done !
Thank you for sharing another great video.
Excellent ! Thank you
This was very well done and very entertaining! Listened to it over a meal rather than indulging in my usual tv shows.
This is better then the rings of power
Most are
Would be a rare find to be something actually worse than the *Rings of Power*
He was always proud and was jealous of Gandalf, even when he was righteous. Saruman's lust for power and his usage of the Palantir made him vulnerable to Sauron, who coaxed Saruman into embracing the darker aspects of his nature which were already present back when he was on the good side.
I appreciate the more formal story telling!!! Makes things easy to understand and leave room for my own thought 😂
very well explained!
Saruman's secretly one of the richest characters in the whole series
A bearded elf? SACRILEGE!!!
It's canon I promise!
@@RealmsUnravelled Don`t promise, prove...
@@danhubert-hx4sscan't tell if you kidding or not, cirdan is the only one known n said to have a beard in the books LotR (RotK near end) and silmarillion
@@bennruda11 You get three guesses...
I hope you don't mind I had to watch three times to catch all the details.... I was distracted.... but; this is also very detailed and I truly enjoyed this video and its information!
Yes should have paid closer attention in the 1st watch as you are very concise but also WORTH watching 3 times anyway!
Aulë and his Maiar are divine beings who embrace materialist philosophy. Since Melkor's will permeates all kinds of materials related to Arda, such divine beings associated with this material are susceptible to being influenced by his will. For this existential reason, they tend to impose on other beings with free will what they think and believe is good for them. They feel the need and desire to have the power to achieve this. It is inevitable that they will corrupt and evolve into evil (mainly the will of Melkor) within the power they have and have acquired.
Having been fed disinfomation by sauron through his use of a palentiri or seeing stone sauron lost all hope and fell into despair convinced that all was lost he decided the only course of action left was to establish his own base of power with which he could rival the dark lord himself. Ironically this may have contributed to saurons downfall through mismanagement of resources and hunger for power and control. Think gollum and the role he played in the destruction of the ring
I believe his first step to falling was when he gave up hope that Men and Elves could defeat Sauron and instead believed that he would need to do so himself. Instead of strengthening them, he sought to strengthen himself. At that point, he had already lost the purpose of his mission.
Good Tolkein lore is hard to beat
Always liked the fact that even though Tolkien laid the foundations of his fall within the character of Saruman, he made it clear that the first white wizard was for a long time a true ally of the light, and did for a time seek to learn of Sauron's craft to undo him. After all, they were both students of Aule and he likely thought that could be used to undo the Dark Lord. Saruman was not compelled but made choices that damned him by degrees over time. As a reader I always wonder what would have become of the story if someone could have seen the path he was on sooner and gotten through to him, but that fall is the point of his character since Tolkien saw good men go bad in war.
I prefer the other voice, more fantasy story narrator like. But this is good nonetheless.
This is the voice from one of the other pages
What do you mean
Sounds like a voice of wisdom to me
These get a like before I’m 10 seconds in.
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I would like to offer a theory on Saruman. It is stated in Tolkien's works that Yavanna begged he that would become Saruman to take one who served her (known later as Radagast.) Saruman was dismissive of Radagast and grudgingly agreed. Saruman headed East whence the two Blue Wizards had gone. What took place in the East we will never known. But, Saruman, like Sauron, had a like for order. His research into Sauron's works led to jealousy, this and other events caused Saruman to look only to his own gain!
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Christopher Lee’s Saruman is my favourite character in LOTR films
I still think it’s a shame they didn’t show “Saruman of many colors “ in the movie . I was looking forward to see how they were going to do it , then they just knocked out of the story .
My dude, where do you get all the artwork for your videos? Every single one of them was fantastic and i'd love to have them in my collection.
Since Gandalf basically represents Jesus, I see Saruman as Judas
Why didn’t Saruman take gandalfs ring when he imprisoned him
If I remember rightly it because he was so arrogant and prideful that he saw it as admitting that gandalf had something he wanted from him and he himself wanted to be mighty "ring maker" and had no need of elven trinkets.
He also still believed that he could turn gandalf and wanted him fully onside.
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I’ve wondered what Frodo would say to Gandalf about Saruman’s death in the Shire.
Tolkien also wrote (in UT) that Saruman also found (and burned) Isildur's remains, which makes him an even bigger rat bastard.
After he said I am good! In rings of power
What is the soundtrack at 10:00 in the clip?
Why and how would Saruman recruit Orcs from the North of the Misty Mountains? Wouldn't it make more sense for him to have recruited them from the Southern part of the mountains?
Where are you getting these amazing art pieces from?
Artificial intelligence
So, he was doomed before he even took the form as a wizard.
This voice sounds far too like Robert's from In Deep Geek channel who also covers lotr. So much so I thought I'd clicked on the wrong channel. Bring back the old erudite voice, please. It's perfect for narration.
It was the Emperor
He turned Sarumon into a Sith Lord
He never "turned" evil, it was always within him waiting to take control. The same is true about humans. We don't really change. What we perceive as change are nothing more than previously dormant or minor characteristics becoming dominant. We are all capable of great good and great evil, it is always within us. It merely requires the right circumstances to bring it to the front.
Well, evil and good is a spectrum and some are closer to one or the other by birth but experiences and upbringing might shift them to either side along the scale.
Tell me, "friend"
When did sauruman the wise abandon reason for madness?
How about a video about Shelob? Or Ungoliant or other First age stuff
there are plenty about that on youtube
"Wise" and "Wicked" are not mutually exclusive.
Turncloak - very clever
I like how the video never answers the question of when Saruman turns evil. That was the year 3000 of the Third Age, 18 years prior to the War of the Ring.
Why do they have such similar names???
Nice content. By the way, are you somehow related to the channel "realms revealed"?
Thanks! No, this is my only CZcams channel. That may be one of the copycat channels using my ideas and theories but I'm not sure
@@RealmsUnravelledyeah, it seemed to me like that because the video topics are 1:1 like yours or other channels.
Eldar? Middle earth has xeno space elfs too?
Games Workshop stole the concept of "space elves" from Tolkien
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Will the old narrators voice be coming back? Will be unsubscribing if this voice will be replacing it.
Great content in all other aspects 👏