I agree with Josh 100%. You used to be able to unlock things like that by simply PLAYING THE GAME! Not paying extra money or buying the game on a certain day.
Yup when you bought a game you got the actual game - not pieces of it to layer it over a mobile model marketplace to stealth price gouge the rest of the assets.
I miss "cheat codes". I guess I'm just spoiled because I grew up in an era where games didn't get updates if they were broken (which meants devs spent more time sussing out bugs) and because of that, you got exactly what you paid for when you bought a game. Especially in a Single Player game like Spider-Man, paying actual money for things that are clearly IN THE GAME is ludicrous.
chris weaver lil bit late but pro tip if you’re on console you can just close the game to the home screen and it’ll just freeze the game then you’re good to go relieve yourself lol
I remember when cheat codes & Game Genie were things & we were allowed to have fun with the games we just bought in their entirety w/o being penalized for just having fun....and there weren't in-game items given out for pre-ordering either. Man I miss those days....
@@kyleellis9177 I'm referring to this microtransactions age that started with horse armor in oblivion. I think that was one of the first incidents when publishers realized they could nickel and dime players. I'm all for expansions and dlc done properly like the Witcher series. What I despise is how now they want to take characters out of fighting games and sell it back to me like I didn't have all the characters in previous versions. Shady business practices have always been around but before they weren't so blatantly aimed at the players themselves. My gripe is with the way that expansions and dlc are implemented today.
to add to your point the intense focus on multiplayer has cost our games a decent story because now the game has to have a story that's no longer catered to one person but to whichever person is picked as the main meaning the story has to be fluid which apparently gaming writers are bad at.
This is a big fucking mood, I miss the focus on well crafted single player experiences that don’t also involve loot boxes or online leaderboards of some sort
The price of the ultimate version is never equal to the value of the ultimate version - it's the value of it according to the super fans that are willing to buy it and Devs know will just pay it regardless. It's like how Final Fantasy 7R play arts figurines are like £150 each now.
VERY toxic communities and fanboys. Also the anti-ninendo-people. I've lost count of how often I have been ridiculed when I said to real life people or commented on a videohow much I love Nintendo and how happy this company has made me fin my life since 1991.Another thing I hate are the "graphic fetishists" who hype up games in advance only due to their spectacular graphics.
Nintendo has been selling 2 versions of the same game for years ? That's why I dislike them. Their games are also very much the same every year until Mario Odyssey and Breath of the wild. People have every reason to dislike Nintendo. It was the first overly money hungry company.
Toxicity is my biggest irritant. I've been turned off more games by screaming shitheads than I have by bad gameplay. Also games-as-a-service. Worst idea ever.
You know something that’s struck me odd about people worrying about the crunch. Is why do you only worry about the crunch in gaming and not other industries? I have friends who put sixty to seventy hours in a week and nobody cares. So why is it gaming that just deserves attention and not someone at a store working eighteen hour days to get ready for inventory?
The fact that developers aren't willing to take risks anymore, for one. For two... The fact that it's less about giving the customer the things they want and about how much money can be milked from the player.
Oasley Beattie always captivates me when he is speaking. He is so soft spoken which is pretty refreshing. Love all the What Culture crew but this dude is a nice new addition to the team.
Things that apply to me: *cosmetics - I can't stop buying them. I need my Kate Denson ponytail and Doctor suit. *toxic and salty game communities *gender politics and to think the game I play most is Dead by Daylight.... thats basically one great big ball of all problems with the gaming industry (except pay to play.... at least they dont have that)
So true, for the past 10 years or so game companies have been slowly cutting away more and more bits of their game just to turn around and sell those pieces back to us at exploitative prices. In my opinion this is evidence of greed and evidence of poor leadership straight from the top. They have stopped appreciating who keeps them in business and have turned their focus to the business side of things. I realize they need to make money but a Quality Product WILL ALWAYS SELL ITSELF. By adopting bad anti-consumer business practices they have effectively began abusing their source of income. It really makes you wonder, how much longer they can continue to rip us off and pull disrespectful moves on their consumers before they finally decide that they have had enough and just start boycotting the gaming industry into bankruptcy...
Won't happen. There are too many people who don't care about spending more money after buying the initial game. So if 10% of the gamers say we're not going to buy your game, the other 90% will buy they game cause they don't care.
"...for the past 10 years or so game companies have been slowly cutting away more and more bits of their game just to turn around and sell those pieces back to us at exploitative prices."- this is NOT how it works. This is how you THINK it works but this is so far removed from reality as to almost be a comedy skit. Developers don't make content with the intent to remove it and resell it later. NO. They make the main game and then they make the DLC. The main game has to be plotted out, the tech needed to make it has to be created, etc. The game itself is usually 4 to six months away from shipping by the time DLC planning even starts. PLANNING. So no, cutting content with the hopes of reselling it is not something that actually happens.
Teyon Alexander NO, you are wrong. That’s bullshit, they DO THIS. That’s why you can stumble into areas of games that haven’t even been released yet. That’s why Capcom locks DLC content on your game disk and requires you to pay for it by buying it later only to find out you are just downloading a few mega bites worth of DLC because you are simply UNLOCKING it rather than DOWNLOADING it. This is how it works thanks to the capability of the internet.
The toxic gaming communities. Having a unfinished game that's full priced. And the bullshit business practices that's all to familiar even it's "surprise" mechanics.
I'll tell you the biggest problem with the industry, and it's the fact that gamers (mostly the youtuber types who have a large fan base and a lot of influence) like to complain more than they like to just play a game. It's like a game comes out and instead of playing for fun they just sit and play it looking for flaws they can whine about online. Enjoy your games people
How do they not mention loot boxes when the House of Commons is currently interrogating EA about them and giving us the lovely line of they're not loot boxes they're surprised mechanics
One of them did point it out via the cosmetic bit with Spider-Man. It’s whats prevented me from playing most games with loot boxes. Between Loot boxes and costumes for games that should have them unlock-able we don’t get it. Hense why I love and hate certain fighting games for. Love the actions, hate costume dlcs. Tecmo-Koei is currently the high contender for the worst of this. I used to love Dead or Alive. It used to be so much fun. Now me and a friend are sticking to the free fighters set because they still have not justified me buying the full purchase for the game yet. DLC for characters is a maybe but costumes have now become a no for me. Remember the days when alternate costumes were an unlock-able thing and you didn’t pay so much in dlcs or lootboxes.
Right, where a game has promise, but then just goes away (not due to a lack of funding). I also hate the notion of lengthy early access. Put your game on early access like 6 months before the beta, or the release, not 2 years. Don't just throw some textures and a list of mechanics I can count on one hand at me and call it an early access game.
I definitely agree with Josh. There are so many great things that you can put in loot boxes, DLC and pre orders. So why do we have to pay for basic things like save space or costumes? I'm not anti loot box, I'm anti BS rip offs. There's a difference.
Rich: "I have let out some of that Steam." Me: THANK YOU RICH! For articulating something that has been bugging me for a while m8. Epic Games Need to be boycotted in my opinion, they will sink sooner that way.
@@DrankenDune I think you missed The part were there is a pve mode(save the world) If epic only would improve that instead of making battle royale The game would actualy be decent.
I completely agree woth Scott, a lot of AAA a copies of eachother or of previous episodes. The one thing that I hate about the industry is the trend of ports/remakes/remasters. I get that some people enjoy playing the same game over and over but it's not my case. Once I finish a game I shelve it and move to the next one. I not interested in "almost the same game but with new graphics or extra chapters" I'm excpecting full new games.
Why is day 1 stability such a big ask? I can slap in an n64 cartridge right now and it’ll still play; i can throw in a gamecube disc right now and it’ll still play
The entitlement is definitely bad. Too many gamers act like good games arent out there. Either they drag the entire body of work over one or two flaws that are not major at all. Or they ridicule things in a work of fiction for not being realistic....which is funny cause....its not fucking real anyway
Love Ash's shirt! Also, I agree with the "Gamer Girl" nonsense. Even worse, "Fake Nerd Girl". It's all part of the toxic environment online. It's getting better, but still, it sucks and can ruin your online experience.
I agree with you. Include Konami as they have access to some great ips but castlevania hasn’t gotten much love with a new game. They acquired some great original Ips from Hudson Soft and aren’t doing anything with them. if it’s not pachicikos or card based games like Yugioh then they don’t care.
I hate when we see awesome badass graphic version of gameplay, then we get downgraded version of finished products like dark souls 2 and watchdog. It's like false advertisement. 😤
Totally agree about the Epic Games Store stuff, I simply refuse to even download it because I don't like their tactic of using money made from Fortnite to undercut other platforms like Steam. Some say that they're just being "competitive", I see the undercutting tactic is aiming at market domination. I do like the increased co-operation between certain games companies though, particularly when it comes to cross-play and the likes. Hopefully this leads to an improvement in the gaming industry, as the last couple of years have overall felt pretty "meh" to me with all the crappy Battle Royale games being released.
Scott's totally right. It's really interesting how all this money is pumped into the video game industry. Yet, some games are viewed as failures if they don't sell millions of copies. It's like there's this disconnect where big investors don't realize games are similar to movies. Lots of movies get made for the sake of doing something different or telling a unique story. Games should be made for the same reasons, not just as cash cows
You're all completely, 100% spot-on about everything. We should seriously just put you all in charge of the game industry. Except for Benjamin, I don't know what he's on about.
The fact that games nowadays pretty much require an internet connection, and I'm not talking about updates or patches, that's fine I understand that. What I'm talking about is games that require internet just to be able to play. For example, the Spyro Reignited Trilogy required you to download the rest of the second and third games, and I'm sure Activision and Toys For Bob failed to mention that little tidbit. Second example, Call of Duty WW2. And yes I understand the Spyro download was free, as was the WW2, but again they require an internet connection.
DLC. games are now being released incomplete because parts of the game are being held back for DLC which then costs half the price of the original game for a couple of hours extra content. even worse now is how many publishers are announcing the DLC before the actual game has been released.
that's really a case by case basis. sure, companies like Activision, EA, Konami & Capcom have a reputation for that kind of underhanded bullshit ( I still remember Capcom locking the actual ending to Asura's Wrath behind DLC by cutting the final chapter or 2 explicitly to sell as DLC, as well as charging $20 to unlock 20 characters in Street Fighter x Tekken that were fully on the disc.... ) but Nintendo's DLC has always been started after the game has gone gold & ready for launch. Announcing specifics before the game launches definitely smells fishy, but announcing plans to do DLC in general is a good thing as it tells the consumer that their game will be supported with more content after release.
Honestly its people telling you how you should or shouldnt play a game like its get so annoying im playing the game how i want in ways which are fun...theres no moral code a player should abide by in any game
That's why I hate multiplayer. Love sniper games so on the last battlefield (not this current one), I got skilled enough at long distance to pick a spot far away and defend or attack an objective. But they cry camping or you're not playing the objective. If I can single handedly wipe out every enemy holding an objective and defend it until my team comes, how am I not playing the objective?
the PAID DLC's. you pay like 60 US DOLLARS or less for a brand new game that you are interested in, then they add a new storyline or something new/interesting to do in the endgame, BUT THEY PUT IT IN A PAID DLC wherein some people cannot afford at all to buy due to many different personal real life reasons (no credit card, not enough money, currency conversion and etc). why can't games in any type of console BE A REAL COMPLETE GAME once you buy the game when it comes out -sigh-
Dude 9 times out of 10 DLC is being developed after the base game is already out. Expecting them to release huge expansions that may include up to dozens of hours of additional content for free is extremely naive.
Shitting free games on the consumer.. idc about the extra features on steam. It’s not anti consumer because some hardcore consumers don’t like it. It isn’t unfair. Anti consumer is based on unfair or manipulative practices. There’s nothing unfair or manipulative about exclusives. You can be mad, but don’t get on some high horse like companies are evil for doing it. If this wasn’t benefitting anyone, it wouldn’t work!! Anti consumer practices rarely work. Loot boxes and micro transactions are a rare exception due to casual gamers ignorance and also a lot of gamers casual and hardcore not having the discipline to avoid them(not completely innocent myself). But that’s not the case with exclusives. Especially when you don’t even need to buy new hardware you just have to download a different launcher. People need to learn to express dislike for certain products and practices as consumers without pretending that those practices are born from malicious intent. Because anti consumer and a practice some consumers find inconvenient are not the same thing.
I agree with Josh. I miss the days where it was just "Beat the game under X minutes to unlock this costume. Fight so and so 50 times to get this costume." it was so much better and more fun than the lootbox mentality and pay extra for everything. Games are being sold as a Skeleton, and you have to buy the organs and the skin separately.
I had such a visceral reaction to Benjamin's comment: "The lack of Monkey Island games in the last 15 years" Me: "OMG YESSS (instant anger)". The Secret of Monkey Island was my first game and will forever have a place in my heart.
The term "campaign" originally came from (real time) strategy games. Where it was used to differentiate from random "skirmish" matches against the AI. "Campaign" meant " a set of scenarios/maps connected by a story"-and it made sense, because in the fiction of most RTS games the player was a military commander, directing troops in a prolonged conflict-- like a *gasp* "military campaign". "Skirmish" meant "simple, start from scratch" scenario with no story. it's been really bemusing for me to see the term get appropriated by every console genre imaginable. And now people are attributing it to COD, of all things.
I agree with Rich - the moment they announced that Borderlands 3 was going to be exclusive to Epic for 6 month:, me and some friends all decided we would NOT be pre-ordering it and will wait for it to come to Steam, even though it was incredibly disappointing. I don't NEED another installer on my PC between Steam, UPlay, Origin, GOG, etc.
@@PayondeAwsome No but you gotta take what you can get. You can still 100% the game if you had all the DLC in the Ultimate edition. You can play with a group of friends in a custom lobby too.
Old man yelling for his porch, but I miss disks. Pop a game in and play it. Not buying a game and waiting 20 hours for it to download. Not having constant problems on an Xbox at least with loading a game up. And just the experience of going to the game store and picking some up over downloading it online. I’ve bought some of my favorite games from looking at the case, talking with the employees with if they liked it or not, etc.
Do you know what, I wish there was more fun in video games. Maybe something that surprises you, some kind of game mechanic that surprises you I guess..... A surprise mechanic..... That comes in box form
The true worst thing I think is the "false" advertisement of games. Like they make a game look extremely good then down grade the graphics and such on the final release
I dislike the journalists tbh. Whatculture is alright as they actually know how to play games, unlike IGN which is ridiculous. Also news sites like Kotaku and polygon. They’re just yeah
was Oasley wearing a Pingu shirt? I used to LOVE Pingu when I was a kid... and also I agree with Benji on the "campaign" thing, some games should stick with Story Mode instead of Campaign
I think the worst thing about gaming industry is, that it tries to be taken seriously. But when the someone criticise it for serious matter in their games, they are all like "It's just a game. No reason to take it serious". But also what I don't like is the whole secrecy in developing games. We know years before sometimes which movies are in the making, who plays what role and who directs it. But when someone leaks the title of a game, which would have been announced in a few days, the gamingmedia are acting like it's 9/11 again.
To be fair regarding the skins, I understand it... For multiplayer games. For single player games where there's no online mode to run, it's disgusting to charge for a skin. For multiplayer only games, it's the only way to pay for the online aspect after the game sales money has run out without jeopardizing gameplay with level boosts and pay to win mechanics
"In a free way..." that mentality there is the problem that companies feed on. Cosmetics unlocked without MTXs were still absolutely not free because we paid FULL flippin price to get the gd game in the first place. Charging for cosmetics is price gouging in something for which we ALREADY paid the full gd price.
pre order bonuses, multiple versions where you have to look at a spreadsheet to see what's in each one and you'd have to buy two or more versions of the same game just to get everything cos you cant buy it separately , loot boxes, microtransactions, timers, pay walls, pay to win, anything like that, thats whats wrong with the gaming industrie.
I agree with everything they've listed. But I'd like to add some; firstly when publishers interfere with a games development to milk the franchise. Deus Ex Mankind Divided was supposed to tie up the story to Human Revolution but instead Square made Eidos finish the game on a cliffhanger so they could get another game out of it. But since fans found out about that not to mention the saga involving pre-order incentives the game didn't sell well. Now that team has been handed the avengers and we Deus Ex fans have an incomplete story. Secondly; Publishers... especially (but not only) EA and Activision ruining great developers. It's still happening.
i think rich missed the mark. epic didnt just think one day "were gonna take on steam" they probably wanted to put fortnight on steam so tons of people would see and play it, but steam was asking for its standard 15% and epic wanted more money so instead started the epic store and then spent all their fortnight money on buying exclusives away from steam so people would have to put up with the epic store if they wanted the newest additions to their franchise (metro: exodus, borderlands 3).
I hate the phrase "It's become to mainstream." what an arrogant thing to say, do you want your game to die? then at some point at sometime the main audience is going to play it.
I think it’s so stupid people get mad about epic games. They give steam a run for their money whom for to long has had to high of prices competitors are good for each other
I agree with Josh 100%. You used to be able to unlock things like that by simply PLAYING THE GAME! Not paying extra money or buying the game on a certain day.
Those were the days...
Yup when you bought a game you got the actual game - not pieces of it to layer it over a mobile model marketplace to stealth price gouge the rest of the assets.
or maybe a Cheat :(
@@andywalker5044 we don't even get cheat codes anymore.
I miss "cheat codes". I guess I'm just spoiled because I grew up in an era where games didn't get updates if they were broken (which meants devs spent more time sussing out bugs) and because of that, you got exactly what you paid for when you bought a game. Especially in a Single Player game like Spider-Man, paying actual money for things that are clearly IN THE GAME is ludicrous.
When your in the middle of a long cut-scene for a game and you gotta pee and you don't know if the pause button is gonna skip it.
hahaha that's so me!! :D
Yep.
chris weaver lil bit late but pro tip if you’re on console you can just close the game to the home screen and it’ll just freeze the game then you’re good to go relieve yourself lol
Anyone old enough to remeber the days before microtransactions were implemented and you got the full game at purchase? Good days those were. 😔😞
BestofBoth curse of the word ‘remember’
I remember when cheat codes & Game Genie were things & we were allowed to have fun with the games we just bought in their entirety w/o being penalized for just having fun....and there weren't in-game items given out for pre-ordering either. Man I miss those days....
Or actually getting a fancy 200 page manual, full color maps, with half-decent collectibles, even if you didn't always order the collectors edition.
Weve had expansion packs since the mid 90's though or do you just mean day one dlc that should have been part of the game?
@@kyleellis9177 I'm referring to this microtransactions age that started with horse armor in oblivion. I think that was one of the first incidents when publishers realized they could nickel and dime players. I'm all for expansions and dlc done properly like the Witcher series. What I despise is how now they want to take characters out of fighting games and sell it back to me like I didn't have all the characters in previous versions. Shady business practices have always been around but before they weren't so blatantly aimed at the players themselves. My gripe is with the way that expansions and dlc are implemented today.
The focus on multiplayer. I want to be alone.
to add to your point the intense focus on multiplayer has cost our games a decent story because now the game has to have a story that's no longer catered to one person but to whichever person is picked as the main meaning the story has to be fluid which apparently gaming writers are bad at.
Amen
This is a big fucking mood, I miss the focus on well crafted single player experiences that don’t also involve loot boxes or online leaderboards of some sort
That fits into how repetitive the strategies of big companies are.
Let’s be real. We all just hate that the industry is 100% about the money. Not passion anymore.
That’s what we all hate.
Basically
Amen
Preach it.
It was always about money.
It's business.
It's capitalism.
TheUltimateBeing 01 if you truly believe that. I feel sorry for you.
*The worst thing about the gaming industry:*
1. They _shut up and take my money_
Microtransactions. Especially Loot Boxes.
100% agreed
You mean... SuRpRiSe MEchAnICs????
Surprise mechanics now apparently.
Dead to Microtransaction !!!
EA's new scheme: Surprise Mechanics
@Captice Trice EA needs a Surprise Bankruptcy xD
"new"
Surprise! its another duplicate. spend cash to try again.
Also if you want a new game its almost $200 for the “ultimate” version
And sometimes it doesn't even come with a copy of the game
because it comes with the season pass i think
The price of the ultimate version is never equal to the value of the ultimate version - it's the value of it according to the super fans that are willing to buy it and Devs know will just pay it regardless. It's like how Final Fantasy 7R play arts figurines are like £150 each now.
VERY toxic communities and fanboys. Also the anti-ninendo-people. I've lost count of how often I have been ridiculed when I said to real life people or commented on a videohow much I love Nintendo and how happy this company has made me fin my life since 1991.Another thing I hate are the "graphic fetishists" who hype up games in advance only due to their spectacular graphics.
Yes!
Nintendo has been selling 2 versions of the same game for years ? That's why I dislike them. Their games are also very much the same every year until Mario Odyssey and Breath of the wild. People have every reason to dislike Nintendo. It was the first overly money hungry company.
Hen mar it's only like 6 halos or cod at least Nintendo try to be different
The extremely toxic community and crunch
Finally a good comment
Toxicity is my biggest irritant. I've been turned off more games by screaming shitheads than I have by bad gameplay.
Also games-as-a-service. Worst idea ever.
You know something that’s struck me odd about people worrying about the crunch. Is why do you only worry about the crunch in gaming and not other industries? I have friends who put sixty to seventy hours in a week and nobody cares. So why is it gaming that just deserves attention and not someone at a store working eighteen hour days to get ready for inventory?
It is literally the reason I don't play multiplayer any more. I just can't be bothered with toxic kids ruining a minute of my time.
@@Elizabeth-0
I do worry about it. I think the amount of time people are allowed to work should be regulated
The fact that developers aren't willing to take risks anymore, for one. For two... The fact that it's less about giving the customer the things they want and about how much money can be milked from the player.
The fact that it's less about giving the customer the things they want and about how much money can be milked from the player.
Money really ruins humanity
@@Neko312 I know right? I get that people have to make money in this world, but people make it the main focus of their lives.
Please keep swearing because I love hearing those nostalgic gaming sounds.
whats the worst thing imo? the lack of single player experiences
Toxicity comes hand in hand with the internet period.
Oasley Beattie always captivates me when he is speaking. He is so soft spoken which is pretty refreshing. Love all the What Culture crew but this dude is a nice new addition to the team.
sol porter rude.
Things that apply to me:
*cosmetics - I can't stop buying them. I need my Kate Denson ponytail and Doctor suit.
*toxic and salty game communities
*gender politics
and to think the game I play most is Dead by Daylight.... thats basically one great big ball of all problems with the gaming industry (except pay to play.... at least they dont have that)
Spread the word, last achievement in Cyberpunk 2077 should be called "You're Breathtaking!". In sure CDPR would be on board! xD
Are you just throwing this out there wherever?
Way off topic, not wrong just of topic.
mason frye anything for likes duh
Am I missing a reference here?
Do you want to feel good about yourself or something? Go to cdpr reddit or something.
That should be the platinum.
Toxicity is bad, but drowning out legitimate gripes by screaming “fanboy!” is just as bad.
Mine is how more effort is put into cut scenes now to make it look like a movie and less time is spent on actual game play.
So true, for the past 10 years or so game companies have been slowly cutting away more and more bits of their game just to turn around and sell those pieces back to us at exploitative prices. In my opinion this is evidence of greed and evidence of poor leadership straight from the top. They have stopped appreciating who keeps them in business and have turned their focus to the business side of things. I realize they need to make money but a Quality Product WILL ALWAYS SELL ITSELF. By adopting bad anti-consumer business practices they have effectively began abusing their source of income. It really makes you wonder, how much longer they can continue to rip us off and pull disrespectful moves on their consumers before they finally decide that they have had enough and just start boycotting the gaming industry into bankruptcy...
Won't happen. There are too many people who don't care about spending more money after buying the initial game. So if 10% of the gamers say we're not going to buy your game, the other 90% will buy they game cause they don't care.
"...for the past 10 years or so game companies have been slowly cutting away more and more bits of their game just to turn around and sell those pieces back to us at exploitative prices."- this is NOT how it works. This is how you THINK it works but this is so far removed from reality as to almost be a comedy skit. Developers don't make content with the intent to remove it and resell it later. NO. They make the main game and then they make the DLC. The main game has to be plotted out, the tech needed to make it has to be created, etc. The game itself is usually 4 to six months away from shipping by the time DLC planning even starts. PLANNING. So no, cutting content with the hopes of reselling it is not something that actually happens.
Teyon Alexander NO, you are wrong. That’s bullshit, they DO THIS. That’s why you can stumble into areas of games that haven’t even been released yet. That’s why Capcom locks DLC content on your game disk and requires you to pay for it by buying it later only to find out you are just downloading a few mega bites worth of DLC because you are simply UNLOCKING it rather than DOWNLOADING it. This is how it works thanks to the capability of the internet.
The toxic gaming communities. Having a unfinished game that's full priced. And the bullshit business practices that's all to familiar even it's "surprise" mechanics.
Game "journalism" is the worst
Rich's segment is "Epic" he had to get a lot of "Steam" out.
I couldn't have summarized it any better than that.
The ONLY reason why I have Epic Games Store is for the free games.
You are helping support customer exploiting garbage
@@dorokaiyinvil5705 lol "customer exploiting garbage ". Cry me a river.
I'll tell you the biggest problem with the industry, and it's the fact that gamers (mostly the youtuber types who have a large fan base and a lot of influence) like to complain more than they like to just play a game. It's like a game comes out and instead of playing for fun they just sit and play it looking for flaws they can whine about online. Enjoy your games people
How do they not mention loot boxes when the House of Commons is currently interrogating EA about them and giving us the lovely line of they're not loot boxes they're surprised mechanics
Seriously epic games gets called out but not loot boxes
One of them did point it out via the cosmetic bit with Spider-Man. It’s whats prevented me from playing most games with loot boxes. Between Loot boxes and costumes for games that should have them unlock-able we don’t get it.
Hense why I love and hate certain fighting games for. Love the actions, hate costume dlcs. Tecmo-Koei is currently the high contender for the worst of this. I used to love Dead or Alive. It used to be so much fun. Now me and a friend are sticking to the free fighters set because they still have not justified me buying the full purchase for the game yet. DLC for characters is a maybe but costumes have now become a no for me. Remember the days when alternate costumes were an unlock-able thing and you didn’t pay so much in dlcs or lootboxes.
Back when there were unlockables in games, those were the days!
I'd say putting games out in early access and then abandoning it part way through is my irritation
Right, where a game has promise, but then just goes away (not due to a lack of funding). I also hate the notion of lengthy early access. Put your game on early access like 6 months before the beta, or the release, not 2 years. Don't just throw some textures and a list of mechanics I can count on one hand at me and call it an early access game.
I definitely agree with Josh. There are so many great things that you can put in loot boxes, DLC and pre orders. So why do we have to pay for basic things like save space or costumes? I'm not anti loot box, I'm anti BS rip offs. There's a difference.
Someone needs to tell Rich that console exclusives are still a thing and no console gamer will shed a tear for him regarding this none issue.
Yep but children do like to cry in unison even when it makes no sense. The new fad.
Rich: "I have let out some of that Steam."
Me: THANK YOU RICH! For articulating something that has been bugging me for a while m8.
Epic Games Need to be boycotted in my opinion, they will sink sooner that way.
SWE BRA that’s the whole game though? It would just be character customization if they hadn’t “put it in”
@@DrankenDune I think you missed The part were there is a pve mode(save the world) If epic only would improve that instead of making battle royale The game would actualy be decent.
I hate fortnite's copying and MICROTRANSACTIONS!!! Fortnite is dead to me!
Microtransactions/ Loot Boxes, pre-order bonuses, dlc, multiple release dates, collectors editions, crunch time, online toxicity, long load times, glitchy/ broken games.
Oasley always seems dead nice love to see him in more videos in the future
I completely agree woth Scott, a lot of AAA a copies of eachother or of previous episodes.
The one thing that I hate about the industry is the trend of ports/remakes/remasters. I get that some people enjoy playing the same game over and over but it's not my case. Once I finish a game I shelve it and move to the next one. I not interested in "almost the same game but with new graphics or extra chapters" I'm excpecting full new games.
I've nothing clever to say so- good job everyone!
EA is worst thing about the gaming industry
epic is gonna surpass them pretty soon though, Sith masters always have an apprentice
@@SasukeSpirit that one Day will overthrow The master
YOOOOO that guy at that smash tourney woulda caught real life hands calling me a bitch 😂
Microtransactions.
Why is day 1 stability such a big ask? I can slap in an n64 cartridge right now and it’ll still play; i can throw in a gamecube disc right now and it’ll still play
My biggest prob with this vid was no jules. I live for the "of all time!!!" Moments.
MoarGore I feel like this was one of the most “Jules” lists too. Haha. He’ll probably come out with his own full list for the channel.
Btw, someone get Rich a bloody pulpit!! PREACH BROTHER!!!!
(Love you, Rach! 🙌🏽)
Thank you! Screw epic!
The entitlement is definitely bad. Too many gamers act like good games arent out there. Either they drag the entire body of work over one or two flaws that are not major at all. Or they ridicule things in a work of fiction for not being realistic....which is funny cause....its not fucking real anyway
Agree with the rollercoaster tychoon guy.
Yes I know his name.
Love Ash's shirt! Also, I agree with the "Gamer Girl" nonsense. Even worse, "Fake Nerd Girl". It's all part of the toxic environment online. It's getting better, but still, it sucks and can ruin your online experience.
Companies ignoring ips they own in favor of other more favored ones
Looking at you Namco
I agree with you. Include Konami as they have access to some great ips but castlevania hasn’t gotten much love with a new game. They acquired some great original Ips from Hudson Soft and aren’t doing anything with them. if it’s not pachicikos or card based games like Yugioh then they don’t care.
and Nintendo. Where are my F-Zero, Golden Sun, Starfy & Advance Wars dammit?
I hate when we see awesome badass graphic version of gameplay, then we get downgraded version of finished products like dark souls 2 and watchdog. It's like false advertisement. 😤
I understand the problem with using the word Campaign.
But not the word lore as lore isn't just for fantasy, lore is any background info to anything
Scott is the old man yelling at clouds.
Totally agree about the Epic Games Store stuff, I simply refuse to even download it because I don't like their tactic of using money made from Fortnite to undercut other platforms like Steam. Some say that they're just being "competitive", I see the undercutting tactic is aiming at market domination.
I do like the increased co-operation between certain games companies though, particularly when it comes to cross-play and the likes. Hopefully this leads to an improvement in the gaming industry, as the last couple of years have overall felt pretty "meh" to me with all the crappy Battle Royale games being released.
So you definitely have Gog right.
Lmfao market domination? Really? Lol
You realize steam has had a defacto Monopoly right......
The way Rach says "Little" at 8:50 I dunno just makes me laugh
thank god. i hope this goes on trending. i think these issues need more attention.
Lootboxes, pre-order bullshit,and DLC!!
Seems like the gaming industry is trying to milk gamers dry 😡😠😝
Capcom should make more fighting games again
Capcom should buy the bloody roar license from konami.
Loot boxes, Anita Sarkeesian, Tim Sweeney, annnnnd kickstarter.
Stop watching the quartering and you'll stop hearing about Anita. Simple enough.
Scott's totally right. It's really interesting how all this money is pumped into the video game industry. Yet, some games are viewed as failures if they don't sell millions of copies. It's like there's this disconnect where big investors don't realize games are similar to movies. Lots of movies get made for the sake of doing something different or telling a unique story. Games should be made for the same reasons, not just as cash cows
You're all completely, 100% spot-on about everything. We should seriously just put you all in charge of the game industry. Except for Benjamin, I don't know what he's on about.
Thank you Rach, the consumer entitlement of the last decade is out of control.
The fact that games nowadays pretty much require an internet connection, and I'm not talking about updates or patches, that's fine I understand that. What I'm talking about is games that require internet just to be able to play. For example, the Spyro Reignited Trilogy required you to download the rest of the second and third games, and I'm sure Activision and Toys For Bob failed to mention that little tidbit. Second example, Call of Duty WW2.
And yes I understand the Spyro download was free, as was the WW2, but again they require an internet connection.
I love [rach noise]! XD
Benjamin has a very soft voice and such a relaxed, calm pacing way of talk...
He should make ASMR videos.
I’d be totally interested on watching them.
Whenever Scott is talking, I have to slow down the video, he talks so fast :D
Jules?? Where did you go? I was waiting for your rant!!
DLC. games are now being released incomplete because parts of the game are being held back for DLC which then costs half the price of the original game for a couple of hours extra content. even worse now is how many publishers are announcing the DLC before the actual game has been released.
that's really a case by case basis. sure, companies like Activision, EA, Konami & Capcom have a reputation for that kind of underhanded bullshit ( I still remember Capcom locking the actual ending to Asura's Wrath behind DLC by cutting the final chapter or 2 explicitly to sell as DLC, as well as charging $20 to unlock 20 characters in Street Fighter x Tekken that were fully on the disc.... ) but Nintendo's DLC has always been started after the game has gone gold & ready for launch. Announcing specifics before the game launches definitely smells fishy, but announcing plans to do DLC in general is a good thing as it tells the consumer that their game will be supported with more content after release.
Honestly its people telling you how you should or shouldnt play a game like its get so annoying im playing the game how i want in ways which are fun...theres no moral code a player should abide by in any game
That's why I hate multiplayer. Love sniper games so on the last battlefield (not this current one), I got skilled enough at long distance to pick a spot far away and defend or attack an objective. But they cry camping or you're not playing the objective. If I can single handedly wipe out every enemy holding an objective and defend it until my team comes, how am I not playing the objective?
the PAID DLC's. you pay like 60 US DOLLARS or less for a brand new game that you are interested in, then they add a new storyline or something new/interesting to do in the endgame, BUT THEY PUT IT IN A PAID DLC wherein some people cannot afford at all to buy due to many different personal real life reasons (no credit card, not enough money, currency conversion and etc).
why can't games in any type of console BE A REAL COMPLETE GAME once you buy the game when it comes out -sigh-
When people stop buying EA products we might have a chance
Dude 9 times out of 10 DLC is being developed after the base game is already out. Expecting them to release huge expansions that may include up to dozens of hours of additional content for free is extremely naive.
Shitting free games on the consumer.. idc about the extra features on steam. It’s not anti consumer because some hardcore consumers don’t like it. It isn’t unfair. Anti consumer is based on unfair or manipulative practices. There’s nothing unfair or manipulative about exclusives. You can be mad, but don’t get on some high horse like companies are evil for doing it. If this wasn’t benefitting anyone, it wouldn’t work!! Anti consumer practices rarely work. Loot boxes and micro transactions are a rare exception due to casual gamers ignorance and also a lot of gamers casual and hardcore not having the discipline to avoid them(not completely innocent myself). But that’s not the case with exclusives. Especially when you don’t even need to buy new hardware you just have to download a different launcher. People need to learn to express dislike for certain products and practices as consumers without pretending that those practices are born from malicious intent. Because anti consumer and a practice some consumers find inconvenient are not the same thing.
Lootboxes/suprise gifts
Micro-transactions
Online-service games
crunching
I agree with Josh. I miss the days where it was just "Beat the game under X minutes to unlock this costume. Fight so and so 50 times to get this costume." it was so much better and more fun than the lootbox mentality and pay extra for everything. Games are being sold as a Skeleton, and you have to buy the organs and the skin separately.
Pre order bonuses/loot boxes/seasons passses/pay to win.....anything thats an obvious cash grab
One of my friend's little brother literally bought 2k dollars worth of V-Bucks and CoD points off their dad's credit card before he even noticed...
I had such a visceral reaction to Benjamin's comment: "The lack of Monkey Island games in the last 15 years" Me: "OMG YESSS (instant anger)". The Secret of Monkey Island was my first game and will forever have a place in my heart.
The term "campaign" originally came from (real time) strategy games. Where it was used to differentiate from random "skirmish" matches against the AI. "Campaign" meant " a set of scenarios/maps connected by a story"-and it made sense, because in the fiction of most RTS games the player was a military commander, directing troops in a prolonged conflict-- like a *gasp* "military campaign". "Skirmish" meant "simple, start from scratch" scenario with no story.
it's been really bemusing for me to see the term get appropriated by every console genre imaginable. And now people are attributing it to COD, of all things.
Can I just say, that Richs hair in this episode was on friggin point.
Ewan talking about tea leaves had me in stitches 😂😂😂
I agree with Rich - the moment they announced that Borderlands 3 was going to be exclusive to Epic for 6 month:, me and some friends all decided we would NOT be pre-ordering it and will wait for it to come to Steam, even though it was incredibly disappointing. I don't NEED another installer on my PC between Steam, UPlay, Origin, GOG, etc.
So why the hell were The Simpsons writers even at E3???
For Tapped Out.
The worst part of Arkham city is the fact that u can use a cheat code to unlock all to Batman costume
Ash you can play with a custom lobby for Evolve. Or against bots.
Well. Bots aren't as fun as real people are they?
@@PayondeAwsome
No but you gotta take what you can get. You can still 100% the game if you had all the DLC in the Ultimate edition. You can play with a group of friends in a custom lobby too.
Old man yelling for his porch, but I miss disks. Pop a game in and play it. Not buying a game and waiting 20 hours for it to download. Not having constant problems on an Xbox at least with loading a game up. And just the experience of going to the game store and picking some up over downloading it online. I’ve bought some of my favorite games from looking at the case, talking with the employees with if they liked it or not, etc.
Do you know what, I wish there was more fun in video games. Maybe something that surprises you, some kind of game mechanic that surprises you I guess..... A surprise mechanic..... That comes in box form
The true worst thing I think is the "false" advertisement of games. Like they make a game look extremely good then down grade the graphics and such on the final release
I dislike the journalists tbh. Whatculture is alright as they actually know how to play games, unlike IGN which is ridiculous. Also news sites like Kotaku and polygon. They’re just yeah
Same. I also like Inside Gaming, but otherwise I avoid the others.
was Oasley wearing a Pingu shirt? I used to LOVE Pingu when I was a kid... and also I agree with Benji on the "campaign" thing, some games should stick with Story Mode instead of Campaign
That Crash Bandicoot should be in more games.
as long as it isn't another raging remake i'm good
The horrible working conditions, the lack of job security, etc etc.
I think the worst thing about gaming industry is, that it tries to be taken seriously. But when the someone criticise it for serious matter in their games, they are all like "It's just a game. No reason to take it serious".
But also what I don't like is the whole secrecy in developing games. We know years before sometimes which movies are in the making, who plays what role and who directs it. But when someone leaks the title of a game, which would have been announced in a few days, the gamingmedia are acting like it's 9/11 again.
To be fair regarding the skins, I understand it... For multiplayer games. For single player games where there's no online mode to run, it's disgusting to charge for a skin. For multiplayer only games, it's the only way to pay for the online aspect after the game sales money has run out without jeopardizing gameplay with level boosts and pay to win mechanics
"In a free way..." that mentality there is the problem that companies feed on. Cosmetics unlocked without MTXs were still absolutely not free because we paid FULL flippin price to get the gd game in the first place. Charging for cosmetics is price gouging in something for which we ALREADY paid the full gd price.
I miss being able to go to gamestop and get a game nobody heard of and have it be good
pre order bonuses, multiple versions where you have to look at a spreadsheet to see what's in each one and you'd have to buy two or more versions of the same game just to get everything cos you cant buy it separately , loot boxes, microtransactions, timers, pay walls, pay to win, anything like that, thats whats wrong with the gaming industrie.
I agree with everything they've listed. But I'd like to add some; firstly when publishers interfere with a games development to milk the franchise. Deus Ex Mankind Divided was supposed to tie up the story to Human Revolution but instead Square made Eidos finish the game on a cliffhanger so they could get another game out of it. But since fans found out about that not to mention the saga involving pre-order incentives the game didn't sell well. Now that team has been handed the avengers and we Deus Ex fans have an incomplete story.
Secondly; Publishers... especially (but not only) EA and Activision ruining great developers. It's still happening.
Josh is a delicious thing that defines what gaming is
i think rich missed the mark. epic didnt just think one day "were gonna take on steam" they probably wanted to put fortnight on steam so tons of people would see and play it, but steam was asking for its standard 15% and epic wanted more money so instead started the epic store and then spent all their fortnight money on buying exclusives away from steam so people would have to put up with the epic store if they wanted the newest additions to their franchise (metro: exodus, borderlands 3).
These premieres are so stupid 😒
No one's making you join in :)
@@DontRachQuit we want the episode m8
And now you got it :D
I hate the phrase "It's become to mainstream." what an arrogant thing to say, do you want your game to die? then at some point at sometime the main audience is going to play it.
"Suprise Mechanics"
I think it’s so stupid people get mad about epic games. They give steam a run for their money whom for to long has had to high of prices competitors are good for each other
A rare like mind in a sea of pants shitting crying children.
Not money out of kids pockets, out of parents pockets