Is The Lexus RC F Really A Japanese M3? (JDM Legends Tour Pt. 26)
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2019
- Following on from my review of the amazing Lexus LC500, I drive their more practical coupe offering - the RC F. Powered by a naturally aspirated 5L V8, the Lexus has some old school credentials - but does this translate to a great driving experience or just an outdated M3 clone?
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This is a no-bullshit, solid luxury coupe that will last. Do I give a shit it is 0.5s slower to 60mph than an M4? No, not when it sounds this good, drives so well and will last as long as Lexuses do
and will outlast the BMW in reliability about 10x over
@@SNORKYMEDIA really? im not saying thats wrong, but ive never seen a lexus out survive any car.
people say they are brilliant for reliability this and that, but yet when iver ever seen one its sold with rust all over and the casual 'spare or repairs'
Exactly 👍🏻
@@Dockhead I've had around 35-40 sports cars of varying manufacturers since I was 20 (I'm 42 now). Nothing has been as reliable as my Toyotas and Lexus cars. The only thing that came close was an EP3 Civic Type R. All my german sports cars had issues, some severe but all very annoying
I don't know who timed the car at that 0-60 but I've managed 4.1 in mine and other than a slight exhaust tweak it is standard afaik.
470hp is only adequate? The obsession with power these days is really out if control.
It needs revving and its geared too long, hence it's hard to make use of that top end power
@@JayEmmOnCars Seat look very uncomfortable. Are they ???
@@JayEmmOnCars The long gearing makes it scream
One of Main Reasons I didn't Get the V8,Is Stk.Exhaust on V8 s Sucks,of RCF Lexus.
@@730F-Sportat silly speeds
"Lots of buttons" is the best interior control design.
I onwed an ISF before and now I have RCF with TVD. I can't get enough of driving it. I love the sounds it makes. I have 60k kms on it now had no issues what so ever. I rev the shit out of it everyday pushing it to the limits every day. So far super solid like my ISF. Very cheap on maintenance and cheaper insurance that my wife's 2010 civic. It turns heads everywhere. Good on fuel when I am not stomping on it. I even get 28 mpg highway. All around Great GT car.
KB L I’m thinking of changing from an ISF to an RCF.
That sounds like a gentleman 😂 nice choice sir
Is the RCF better then the ISF?
@@tubejorrit my comment is based on experience with 2008 ISF and my current 2015 RCF. If you don't mind 2 doors then I can definitely say RCF is better. Engine parts and transmission are improved over ISF. The small labor intensive issues that people have with ISF are not present in RCF. Shifts are much more aggressive in RCF. It still looks fresh on the outside design wise and comfort and interior is much better. It still turns heads. Ibhabe no issue with driving it in - 20C. Traction control is much better on the TVD model which I have. Sound system is better. No regrets switching to RCF. Bullet proof vehicle. Bought mine used in 2019. No repairs. Cheap DIY maintenance.
I love mine too.
Last naturally aspirated Samurai.
Finally a used RCF review. at the current used prices(2015-16), they are definitely worth the $$
yeah I agree! pick one up for around 20 grand these days
@@RevLexus 2015-16 RCFs go for around 40-50k.
@@tilerf308 is that USD? they are £20-25k roughly in the UK
@@RevLexus they're currently $38-$47k or so, depending on miles (assuming avg miles 15-40k miles). Outside the normal range you can find very high mileage ones (80-110k) for low-$30ks.
Rev Lexus sorry but if u can pick one of these up for 20k today then good luck in a owner of one and since I have brought mine last year costing me 26k I have not seen one. That cheap since 29k plus now
What I love about this channel is definitely the best unbiased reviews. Great content, thank you kind sir.
Jay great job. I think you’ve provided a very fair review of the (used) RCF. You get the strengths and weaknesses, and I think have zeroed in on what this car is. To me, it’s the pick of the segment on the used market. Glorious.
Great review, enjoying watching the review & Lexus are simply amazing cars
Was waiting for this review and it did not disappoint. Very popular cars in the usa but rarely seen over here, so its nice to hear it deals with a British a/b road well. Guess I'll just have to buy one now....👍🏻
-TheManInDboX - But you buy a car to be reliable, because you invested money into and you're trying to get the most out of it? The M4 is the better sports car, the RCF is the better all around daily car.
Fixes to the RCF would be: Coils/Spring(spring leaves factory ride quality)
RR Racing USRS(LCA bushing) - Makes the steering response way better and up to par with the M4 imo. The OEM rear bushing is soft so it doesnt give accurate feedback.
Exhaust - People have dropped the heavy as fuck oem exhaust and dyno'd 50+ crank gains.
The RCF will never be the better track car than the M4 end of story. But the NA V8 is a beautiful thing to hear when driving, the RCF attracts A LOT of attention, the non car people think its some 100k+ Lexus. If you want a sporty car and you plan on tracking go for the M4. If you're not trynna live like your in your teens and just took your pops car out for a spin take the RCF. Sometimes we don't need those tickets.
I don't care if it's reliable, I don't care about the specs ... But it sounds fantastic and is aggressive and it's what a real man needs. BMW owner here.
I have to care about reliability, wether you can afford it or not you have to spend time repairing the damn thing thats no fun
@@TheV8Pumpkin true but I don't think that a high quality modern car breaks all the time anyway ... People exaggerate a lot
Keep it....we don’t actually care. I own an RCF
Fantastic review on a very misunderstood car, analysis balanced and well researched. JayEmm one of the best car journalists out there!
Great review as normal really loving your channel keep up the good work.
Great channel and a beautiful car ,I love Lexus and a very good review, thank you.
Ya learn something new every day. Great video.
Cheers
Very impressive, this wasn't on my radar but is now!
Certainly a lot more exclusive looking! Great looking coupe in my opinion. Sounds a hell of a lot better than the current M-crop too!
Great review!
In isolation, this is a great car for doing long trips, driving at 7~8/10ths. I like that its a 'left-field' choice. The haters of the new Supra blame Toyota for not using the LC500 platform or using the drivetrain from this RCF but if they wanted to get 'cayman-levels' of agility through the corners, these existing Lexuses would've made the Supra weigh at least 300kg more than the Cayman. Also, the chief engineer Tada Tetsuya san and CEO Akio Toyoda san said that the straight 6 is what makes the Supra, a 'Supra'. I'm glad that this RCF exists and sticks to its old-school credentials.
Joji Jim On point with it, the new Supra will definitely be pushing 700-800whp with tunes, bolt ons, headers in the future. I own an RCF and it's true to its word, it's a daily luxury coupe, and an exhaust or muff+res del brings out the beautiful na v8 and shaves off a good amount of weight. Most of the people who own m4's dont track or race, they're for show and doing pulls on the highway, the demo for f80/82(rcf's biggest competition) owners is mostly lease and people over 30 as well. People say the RCF is too heavy, but the C63 is the same weight but because its a benz it's loved.
I have the sedan F, the GS F with the V8. Love it.
lucky guy
Lexus 5.0L = 470hp
Alfa Romeo 2.9L = 540hp
lmao what a piece of trash of a car
@@ivangamer8022 Yes the Alfa is junk.
Well thought and presented
RCF more focus on GT side than track car.
It also has a wonderful NA V8 and strong reliability.
Lexus 5.0L = 470hp
Alfa Romeo 2.9L = 540hp
lmao what a piece of trash
@@ivangamer8022 Another fucktard that compare a NA engin which is built to last forever and a turbocharged engin that will broke way before 100k miles.
A winner lol
@@ivangamer8022 omg, a Trashcar Trolleo fan :-)
great video guys, rcf sounds awesome. I agree the LC 500 is awesome
Old Skool but not outdated.
Well said Jay.
After owning my RCF I can say Jayeem hits every point of his videos correctly and gets it. I've seen alot of other CZcamsr's bashing on the RCF. Would I buy a brand new RCF with a premium price I wouldn't. Would I buy it used absolutely! It might not have the track focused orientation of the M3 but for what it does as a daily driving car and reliability it's a car worth looking into.
Currently looking at a 2016 with the performance package but I feel like it’s over priced. They’re asking $47k and it has 58k miles but with this crazy market and the performance package that may be priced right
@@Diff727 I paid 46 for mine 7 months ago with 34k miles, performance package, carbon roof/wing and heated steering wheel etc. Decent deal, love the car.
Just seen the RC F review and, I bought one with the same exhaust.....too loud for me so put the standard system back on. I also had a RC300 H but it was written off after 2 months !! but loved it so...swapped my Porsche 997.1 Carrera S for the RC F.
Drive it well and 400 miles to a tank of fuel can be achieved using the Atkinson cycle.....39mpg !!!
Good video! I have owned RC-F for two and half years now - this car has been growing on me and I absolutely love it. Anyone who thinks RC-F is slower than M4 - see the Motor Trend´s ´head to head´ episode - Yes a fraction of a second slower on a track which took one and half minute race, but this is not what I have bought it for. (I made some videos about my living with this beast if you are interested).
yes maybe, but I bet people let you out of junctions and McDs workers don't spit in your burger
Wow, seeing this and the LC500 reviews give me halo cars I might actually be able to achieve.
I considered the LC500, but LC500 is 400 lbs heavier and much larger. RCF is the same size as an M4. Also, the RCF is much stiffer than the LC500 since it is an F car. Also, it needs to be in SPORT+ mode with manual and TVD in slalom mode
Great car, just a matter of time before it lands on my driveway. Best way to look at this is.. you can have an M car, or 63, and have the same car as 10 others within 5 miles of your home. RC F gives you that.. this is different situation.
I ride a motorcycle so used to revving to get things moving, turbocharged road cars don’t need so many revs as they are tuned for power low down. I think this might just be my next car. I won’t track it, that’s what my bike is for 😀
I bought an RC-F last month replacing my less practical f type convertible and I think it's great. I've had to black out the chrome as it's hideous and sort the quiet exhaust out. Other than that it's a great car. Glad you like it too!!
Great review mate 💪
always love your reviews.....one thing lexus would have over the germans is reliability
After owning a couple e92 m3’s (dct and manual) I’d be keen to try out one of these. Both seem very similar in principal .
Guys worth noting this car is up for sale on Autotrader right now for £29,000 with 40k miles. It just now has a front lip and carbon spoiler at that back.
Great video Jay, thanks. Was considering one of these but ended up with a m156 c63 coupe, which can do 30mpg on a run, but like you say 2nd gear becomes illegal. Still, you cant beat a V8 can you!?
9:13 I like this "noise"!😁
only thing i miss in these RC and IS models (even in the newest !) is a HUD !! My old 2010 Lexus has a HUD ....
Very nice review. I was in my RCF driving on the feeder road when a Mustang decided to tailgate me. When he switched into the left lane I made him pay. I looked in the rear view mirror and he must have made a right turn (no left turns on that road) because he literally disappeared. This car has a ton of power and she screams pretty loud too
Seems like it was made for the American market. Leaning towards one of these as opposed to a 997. And living in San Antonio, Texas Hill Country beckons for a grand tourer as opposed to a more pure sports car like a Porsche. And also for long hauls exploring the Western States the RC F seems perfect for the job. Also amazed by the Eco mpg. If that is true, I can commute in the RC F efficiently and bathed in luxury. But over all it strikes e as a Japanese version of a GT type muscle car like the old Pontic Trans Am. And considering that there is a Lexus LS 400 V8 out there with 1 million on the odo, the RC F, with both direct and port injection, should last a long time.
Lovely Jubbly, its different, so its a cool car, "old top gear".
I think of the RCF as a luxury Mustang with great build quality and reliability.
Not wrong
Are you implying that it can't go around a turn???
You demean it by making a comparison with a Ford.
Lexus 5.0L = 470hp
Alfa Romeo 2.9L = 540hp
lmao what a piece of trash
Really like the RC F for its sound and styling and if I was in the wealth bracket to look for a car like that I reckon it would be on my list to go check out.....although 38mpg is miraculous, he must have been going down hill most of the way and breathing on the accelerator 😂
Probably slipstreaming a lorry at 56mph getting the front of his car peppered with stone chips.
I've been able to average 33mpg highway quite consistently on a 5.0 Genesis, so 38mpg highway on a much lighter and aerodynamic V8 car wouldn't be impossible (as long as you're being extra light on the pedal). Naturally aspirated V8 engines tend to be more efficient than turbo V6 engines at highway cruising, regardless of what the claims may be. That being said, my preference has always been large, NA V6 engines like the VQ37VHR in the 370Z. It's the best of both worlds!
Best I have got out of my 370z was 34.5 mpg going from Phoenix to Utah
Drove one in Dubai. Sublime car. it felt incredibly well built and I really wanted one. Bought a 10 year old G Wagon instead.
Lexus 5.0L = 470hp
Alfa Romeo 2.9L = 540hp
lmao what a piece of trash
@@ivangamer8022 one has turbos.
Late to the party on this one but one of my dream cars all we are not common very American biased because they sell well over there, so much more class even the boring Bavarian repmobiles I actually saw one of these thrash an Audi around a track you've got a clap your hands to lexis for doing this, the last breed to stick with naturally aspirated beasts there going to be a Dying Breed so I hope to own one in my lifetime😍👏👍
there is only 4 fully fledged F cars the IS F , RC F , GS F and the legendary LFA the other stuff is just the F-Sport appearance package for example the Lexus ES 300h F-Sport , all the F cars (except the LFA ) uses the 2UR-GSE V8 engine
RCF is my dreamcar since it came out. I'm of a modest earning community and plan to buy it used. I'm sparing my money, dime after dime, since 5 years. This car will be mine.
I think the incompetent assholes that helped to destroy this cars reputation even before it officially hit the road (Jeremy Claxon and Doug Demirro), both helped to build a bullshit reputation that is incredibly helping now for buying this car used.
It's a marvel to drive and an emotional car in every way.
The RCF could serve very nicely as a reliable and cost effective alternative to a Maserati Gran Turismo. A bit soft, NA-V8, auto box, great noise, interesting looks, fancy interior and Japanese reliability. Perfect!
RC is built at the Tahara plant, alongside the LS, LX, and GX. They probably do have the best Lexus has.
That is a proper car. One to stick on the ‘to drive’ list.
I am not sure what does "is it an LC500?" mean. LC500 is a grand touring luxury car while RCF is an F car that is more focused on performance than luxury relatively. RCF is not the same weight. That was an incorrect statement. It is A LOT lighter. Tested weight actually is 350 lbs lighter and handles better and accelerates faster so while it is not as luxurious as the LC500, it has proven to be sportier than the LC500 all around.
@meaturama It is a great car. I have owned one for 2 years with carbon fiber/TVD package. Does everything exceptionally well. It becomes different cars based on what you configure it to do. It can be a very normal touring car or you put everything in the most aggressive settings (manual, sport+ and TVD in track or slalom mode) and it becomes a fire breathing beast especially at high rpms. Also, I have had mine for 2 years and ZERO issues. I put a full aftermarket exhaust since the stock exhaust is kind of quiet and it sings. It does everything very well so the ownership experience for me, has been amazing.
You need to review a last of the line Lexus ISF.
M3 for me as I need 4 door. Different people will have different situation for sure, but the 4 door practically is something very important for some people.
The IS F would be Lexus' answer to that
Uh ya if they actually make a modern one..
Blast....i fancy owning one of these now !
Great review, Clarkson didn't give this car a chance.
Because he drove it on a track and with the Lexus LFA being the best car he's ever driven, he probably expected the RC F to be quite a weapon. But with it being so heavy, it was never going to be one. So you can understand where the negativities of his review came from.
@@MultiTopgearfan it's a GT Tourer it was a huge misconception that this was a track focused car, Chris Harris did the most accurate review of it has he did road and track and came to conclusion that its an incredible road car, they ironed out a few things with the lc500 which made it better all round but lexus need praise for trying something different with RCF at the time. Track edition is on its way soon we will see then if its capable.
Having driven both the RCF and the GSF for quite a bit, I think GSF is a much better car. RCF is kinda twitchy and inpredictable at times, but the longer wheelbase of the GSF and different rear suspension geometry really help with traction. The TVD (torque vectoring diff, a true one with clutches, not like a fake system that uses brakes) works really well for finding traction and turning the car into the apex nicer, but it doesn't really like big skids. Plus, the GSF's cabin is much nicer with muuuuch more room with almost no weight penatly - the difference between the cars is like 40-50kg.
The GSF is HEAVILY underrated, it's more practical, it's indeed the better brother. But I prefer the look of the RCF over the GSF because the GSF is more lowkey(a sleeper) the RCF is more of a flashy car and of course a coupe. Not everyone's trynna take their GSF/RCF around sharp corners so it really comes down to preference tbh. The GSF is more practical, the RCF is if you really want a coupe and don't need the back seats. I'm not a fan of the GSF's rear because it has a flat non aggressive look to it, but the interior is handa down a step ahead of the RCF which is a shame because Lexus should've done it right, my brother's RX350 fsport package has a way better interior than my RCF and I spent way more money(mostly the infotainment system needs to be up to date on the RCF to make it modern).
Rellykz true, RCF- AGGRESSIVE SEX APPEAL, GSF-PRACTICAL LOWKEY BEAST
Jeeeeeesus listen to that noise, ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Note that this one is using an aftermarket Quicksilver exhaust. I test drove a 2016 the other day and it has no exhaust noise. Does have a sound chamber for passing the engine noise to the cabin though.
Never hurts to be a Lexus for so many reasons
I actually really like the way the RC looks, but I'm not sure what the advantage is over an IS if you're going for anything other than the F model.
more modern interior, +40hp, design and i am not sure if the isf can be had with a mechanical tourque vectoring differential or the mark levinson audio system. that should be it.
@@leviathan5207 I specified the non-F model, so in the UK that's the 200t or 300h
@@Geshmaal honestly better in every way but that depends on what you're looking for. The true V8 F models are WAY faster than the regular 200ts or 300hs and the handling is leagues better. Also, the interior quality might look a bit similar but some of the materials are changed and the doors feel much heavier (which shows it's built with quality). I've owner 2 other Lexus cars both Lexus GS350s from different years on was an "F-Sport" which is just an upgraded trim package with nicer interior and neither of them stack up to my current RC-F. The F cars truly are completely different.
Way better car than the M car and doesn't have the problem of being branded as a dick if you own one.
Lol
More of a super coupe than a super saloon. Nice car in all fairness.
Even a BMW 320d Sport needs to be kept in 2nd and 3rd shifts on a road like that!
Fantastic japanese car with an amazing V8.
Lexus 5.0L = 470hp
Alfa Romeo 2.9L = 540hp
lmao what a piece of trash
@@ivangamer8022 the Alfa is turbocharged, of course it will make more HP/liter. It’s a dumb comparison.
its a great car, i love mine
Lexus 5.0L = 470hp
Alfa Romeo 2.9L = 540hp
lmao what a piece of trash
I wonder what you'd think of the old lexus isf in comparison to this
Please review an ISF (facelift perhaps with the proper diff)
This car sounds fucking dope
1:33 you mention that the power isn't masses when compared with its competitors, but (on paper):
C63 - 469bhp
RS5 - 444bhp
M4 - 425bhp
RCF - 471bhp
It literally has the most power? (Of the mainstream competitors)
In order for it to be a M3 it would have to be just as unreliable as a M3 😂
Reliability is not bad on any newer cars. The differences are now small. Even so, I have ran an e46 M3 for 12 years and it's been pretty good. Some problems yes but well worth having that soul in your car. Lexus still seems to lack character. Although BMW is losing their character too with that numb electric steering.
@@craigmak thank you.. my E90 M3 has been 10 out and not a single time has it left me stranded. oh and 134k rough miles in between.
Joseph C. That sounds like a lemon. As a rule of thumb I would avoid turbos and automatic transmissions. That improves reliability immensely, especially in BMW’s.
Lexus 5.0L = 470hp
Alfa Romeo 2.9L = 540hp
lmao what a piece of trash
Illyrian Gamer you sir are a dipshit.
I hope when they will make new one, it will have twinturbo v8
It has all the hallmarks of a great daily driver. Except for the 5.0ltr V8. In the UK with fuel at £5.75 a gallon. It will soon get painful.
especially with the crazy unannounced rises and drops we seem to get with our fuel.
@@Dockhead Funny how the rises are overnight. But the reductions take weeks.
Though at 38mpg he mentioned from that v8 I think that's very impressive and if you don't travel many miles pretty affordable I recon.
..my 3,5ltrV6Hybrid is the best car i ever had in 30 years with good mpg !
That interior if FUGLY!
It's in keeping with the exterior.
That's a good car to buy.
Yes
LEXUS 👌😍 THE BEST OF THE BEST
The carbon rcf was my next car until i discovered the bmw m2. The m2 will offer similar practicality but more fun on track and B roads. Although the bmw will be less well built interior wise.
and 10x more unreliable. Never going to bmw route again after having 11bmws and switched to lexus a few yrs back. I don't know why I never did.
True but the m2 (non comp) seems very reliable from the research I have done.
If you have to have a BMW, lease it. You can buy the Lexus and it will easily do 200,000 miles. The BMW will break.
SlinkyRich it would be a weekend car and I would buy the extended warranty from BMW.
if you plan on tracking the car and you're more of a performance guy i don't blame you. The RC-F is more for just having a fun drivers car and not much of a car to compete with. I really love my RC-F as i never track it and take it for some fun drives but BMW M2s are for sure my current favorite BMW. Especially for that 3rd pedal i miss so much lol
A few bolt ons you're well over 500hp which is nothing to scoff at
Will the LC Lexus coupe get ugly or better looking with age good question and point to make.
This car cannot be compared to the other brands mentioned, it's a completely different approach from manufacturing, design, target market, communication .. Lexus products have to be understood, once you do, chances are you'll never buy another brand. Toyota maybe if you're in a rough period. MB too exclusive (in their opinion, in my opinion ordinary..) BMW too arrogant and can't find their design language, AUDI just an expensive VW (dumb people, after #dieselgate I would never buy a VW product), What's funny though is that these are the most fierce critics yet get lots of inspiration from Lexus... triple head beam, huge air intakes, angular design, large front grill...etc. Toyota/Lexus really is the benchmark. Oh and BTW, steer-by-wire will be the future. Save this post. #LexusRZ
Toyota/Lexus build cars that perform the best overall, sure it’s not the fastest but definitely the most reliable and most robust of anything it compares to
Good review, unlike some guy in the USA (Doug somebody) who appears to be totally clueless on the subject of cars.
David Wiltshire he reviews cup holders that just happen to be in cars.
Too much power for me. So I bought one to be a keeper ten years. Same blue. Carbon lower lip valance rear defuser kit.
wow i didn't know quicksilver made exhaust
They should make a stick shift version
...perfect salesman's business trip cruiser....
Just searched in SoCal. No IS-F, RC-F, or GS-F available for under $43k
Just bought a 2015 RCF in so cal for $37,500 with 75k miles, no accidents. $41ish out the door. Gray exterior, red interior. The right one will come at the right time 🎉
As a used car it is a way better option than the BMW
Much rather have this than the BMW anyday. It’s different, nice car too
Maybe The Japanese Mustang? I Mean 5-Liter, 2 Door, RWD?
Not at all. It's a luxury coupe..
@@emeraldages The Japanese C-Class AMG
@@ahrred3127 Must better comparison
lincoln mustang
@@wagrj5738 That Would Be The Lincoln Mark VIII
How on earth can anybody that has never owned a BMW or Toyota Lexus comment about reliability of these cars apart perhaps believing internet trolls. An M4 is faster, out performs and better in every way of a competitive alternative car brand which the manufacturers try to compete with and fails miserably. Who would put the cash down on a known lower standard item over a obvious better item when testing of the 2 shows positive results.
You can put forced induction later on in it
Does that make it faster or sound nicer?
I prefer billabong exhaust.
dat noise
Actually I've seen some for 20K but probably not with the V8
No! I mean, it's a solid car with great performance and reliability but it didn't really need to beat the ///M. Just come close enough to earn some respect. They should have delivered a car that performed close enough to the ///M. Similar to how the 2008 ISF could hang with the 2008 M3 or the 2008 is350 could come close to the 335i. Just come close enough by offering a solid performance alternative at a lower price. But a whooping 0.5 to 1 sec difference on times is big in performance world.
Dude! your sitting on the Passenger side!!! ....lol having a go from across the pond :P
Imagine a manual swap...Old school AF.
I wish this car had 4 doors then it would be the ultimate performance family car
The top spec IS or older GSF would be your best bet