I'm a little confused on the CPL/LPL combination. As you vary the LPL, are you getting different levels of polarization, different darkening with the same polarization, or both? Does the combination give you more polarization than just a CPL? I guess I'd like to have a better handle on what's actually going on when you combine the two.
When stacking the LPL on top of another CPL or LPL it creates a variable ND effect. So the polarization stays nearly the same. My workflow was put on either a CPL (original MAVEN) or the Dark CPL, then I would rotate that one to get the polarization level I wanted, then stack the LPL and rotating it would reduce the light getting in from 1.3 stops to 5 stops (the filter is labeled on one edge to show 1.3, 2, 3, 4, 5). This was my first time using the LPL or playing with how the stacked LPL interacted with things - so my explanation in the video might not have been the clearest! Michael did a video on it as well, I'm linking to the LPL section here: czcams.com/video/I8TZjcPp628/video.html Hope that helps!
Does this filters when stacked cause vignetting? So if I have two lenses 77mm and 82 mm filter thread size, should I get 82mm set or 95mm set? From what I hear is having larger 95mm set reduces vignetting significantly when stacked over 82mm. What are your thoughts? And how would you compare with Nisi Swift FS filters?
Most of the filter manufacturers recommend going the next filter size up if vignetting is a big concern to avoid vignetting. So in the case you describe, if you want no change of vignetting then you'd want to get 95mm filters and use a step-up ring on your lenses to avoid vignetting at the widest focal length. With that said, I usually buy the filter that fits my largest filter size lens, so 82mm in my case (Nikon 14-30mm). I do that for a few reasons, mainly, I like that the 82mm filters are more manageable and don't feel oversized to me (and they take up less room in the camera bag). I also find, that even when stacking filters if I shoot at 16mm or higher, no issues. So I tend to be willing to compromise and go with 82mm filters. I'm not sure if you saw my other Maven video ( czcams.com/video/UUWz2mHOPnE/video.html ), but they also came out with a Dark CPL filter that blends an ND filter with a CPL filter. Now that combination is near perfect. No need to stack as it is all in one filter and works really well on my 14-30mm lens. I do a quick look at vignetting in that video that you might find interesting. So - manufacturer recommendation is to buy the next filter size up if you want no vignetting. But I've run the largest filter size that fits on my lens without a step-up ring and while I do have to watch for vignetting, I don't find it that problematic. As for Nisi Swift, I have not used those filters yet. I used to use a Nisi thread CPL several years ago before I moved to magnetic filters and I had no complaints about the quality, just the threaded part was annoying. Hope that helps! Happy to answer any other questions!
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography Thank you so much for taking time to reply. That helps a lot. You also answered that question of combined single filter which has Dark CPL+ND should solve vignetting issue. My only concern with CPL is bit of color casting. Since I am using Z8, I wondered going with their new LP filters should do the trick but I would have to stack them. After watching the video, it seems like if I get their Dark CPL filter which is cpl plus built-in nd filter all in one, it allows to turn on or off polarizing effect whilst using the ND stops. That's good. So my ultimate question is to prevent vignetting at widest angle if I go with one of the following choices, will it realistically prevent vignetting for Nikon Z 14-30mm F4 at focal lengths 14-17. 1) Dark CPL set at 95mm with step-up rings 82-95. or 2) LP + stacking ND filter at 95 mm with step-up rings 82-95. Option 2 gives me convenience to see polarizing effect first and then if I put ND 10, I am all set. Otherwise Dark CPL ND 10, I would have to bump up the ISO to actually see the polarizing effect and then reduce the ISO down. Depending on how grainy the view is, it could be harder to see that polarizing effect. So if using step-up ring to 95mm if it removes vignetting completely, then I guess option 2 is a winner with flexibility and it also removes color casting which comes with CPL as LP doesn't have that right? Am I right?
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography Thank you so much again. That helps a lot. Final last question. 1) LP + stacking ND filter at 95 mm with step-up rings 82-95. or 2) LP + stacking ND filter at 82 mm and also geta low rider ring 82mm. So 14-20mm I can use low rider ring for LP + ND combo and anything above 20-30mm, I can use its stock adapter at 82mm. As they say it prevents vignetting. Cost wise option 2 is cheaper as I am just paying for extra low rider ring for really wider angles focal length to prevent vignetting. What I don't know is option 1 is the guaranteed best combo (regardless of price) to prevent 100% vignetting? Or option 2 with low rider ring will also prevent like option 1 or near prevents vignetting but not sure. But I don't know. What's your take?
@@MrBPM75 I haven't had the chance to play with the low rider ring, I didn't know he'd released the final version of it! I just might have to order one to play with! But, because I haven't had a chance to use the low rider ring, I can't say confidently how well it works. In theory, it should be good - but I hate to say yes, when I haven't tried it myself.
If you already have the original CPL and don’t need the variability, do you think getting the LPL is worth it? Or would you just continue using the CPL?
Good question! I need to do a side-by-side test between the original CPL and the new LPL, the new LPL is supposed to be even better color accuracy wise. I believe that to be true, but I haven’t done a side-by-side. However, even with that said, in my most recent video I released on the original filters, the CPL does “warm” things up a bit - which is visible in my in the office review of the image I took with the original CPL compared to a no-filter image. I personally don’t mind that, as I tend to warm up my images a bit anyways, so that effect just takes an image the direction I tend to go anyways. So if you are like me, and that warming from the original CPL doesn’t bother you - you are probably fine with the originals. Hope that helps! Happy to answer any questions I can!
I'm a little confused on the CPL/LPL combination. As you vary the LPL, are you getting different levels of polarization, different darkening with the same polarization, or both? Does the combination give you more polarization than just a CPL? I guess I'd like to have a better handle on what's actually going on when you combine the two.
When stacking the LPL on top of another CPL or LPL it creates a variable ND effect. So the polarization stays nearly the same. My workflow was put on either a CPL (original MAVEN) or the Dark CPL, then I would rotate that one to get the polarization level I wanted, then stack the LPL and rotating it would reduce the light getting in from 1.3 stops to 5 stops (the filter is labeled on one edge to show 1.3, 2, 3, 4, 5).
This was my first time using the LPL or playing with how the stacked LPL interacted with things - so my explanation in the video might not have been the clearest!
Michael did a video on it as well, I'm linking to the LPL section here:
czcams.com/video/I8TZjcPp628/video.html
Hope that helps!
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography Thank you!
Great video! Could you show a comparison between the LPL and CPL in a future video? Does one provide a better polarizing effect? Thanks!
Thank you and great suggestion! I will see what I can do!
Thanks!
Thank you Marv! I appreciate the support!
Does this filters when stacked cause vignetting? So if I have two lenses 77mm and 82 mm filter thread size, should I get 82mm set or 95mm set? From what I hear is having larger 95mm set reduces vignetting significantly when stacked over 82mm. What are your thoughts? And how would you compare with Nisi Swift FS filters?
Most of the filter manufacturers recommend going the next filter size up if vignetting is a big concern to avoid vignetting. So in the case you describe, if you want no change of vignetting then you'd want to get 95mm filters and use a step-up ring on your lenses to avoid vignetting at the widest focal length.
With that said, I usually buy the filter that fits my largest filter size lens, so 82mm in my case (Nikon 14-30mm). I do that for a few reasons, mainly, I like that the 82mm filters are more manageable and don't feel oversized to me (and they take up less room in the camera bag). I also find, that even when stacking filters if I shoot at 16mm or higher, no issues. So I tend to be willing to compromise and go with 82mm filters.
I'm not sure if you saw my other Maven video ( czcams.com/video/UUWz2mHOPnE/video.html ), but they also came out with a Dark CPL filter that blends an ND filter with a CPL filter. Now that combination is near perfect. No need to stack as it is all in one filter and works really well on my 14-30mm lens. I do a quick look at vignetting in that video that you might find interesting.
So - manufacturer recommendation is to buy the next filter size up if you want no vignetting. But I've run the largest filter size that fits on my lens without a step-up ring and while I do have to watch for vignetting, I don't find it that problematic.
As for Nisi Swift, I have not used those filters yet. I used to use a Nisi thread CPL several years ago before I moved to magnetic filters and I had no complaints about the quality, just the threaded part was annoying.
Hope that helps! Happy to answer any other questions!
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography Thank you so much for taking time to reply. That helps a lot.
You also answered that question of combined single filter which has Dark CPL+ND should solve vignetting issue. My only concern with CPL is bit of color casting. Since I am using Z8, I wondered going with their new LP filters should do the trick but I would have to stack them.
After watching the video, it seems like if I get their Dark CPL filter which is cpl plus built-in nd filter all in one, it allows to turn on or off polarizing effect whilst using the ND stops. That's good.
So my ultimate question is to prevent vignetting at widest angle if I go with one of the following choices, will it realistically prevent vignetting for Nikon Z 14-30mm F4 at focal lengths 14-17.
1) Dark CPL set at 95mm with step-up rings 82-95.
or
2) LP + stacking ND filter at 95 mm with step-up rings 82-95.
Option 2 gives me convenience to see polarizing effect first and then if I put ND 10, I am all set. Otherwise Dark CPL ND 10, I would have to bump up the ISO to actually see the polarizing effect and then reduce the ISO down. Depending on how grainy the view is, it could be harder to see that polarizing effect.
So if using step-up ring to 95mm if it removes vignetting completely, then I guess option 2 is a winner with flexibility and it also removes color casting which comes with CPL as LP doesn't have that right? Am I right?
@@MrBPM75 I would tend to agree - if using a step-up ring then option 2 gets you the most flexibility. Should be a great combination!
@@JeffreyTadlockPhotography Thank you so much again. That helps a lot. Final last question.
1) LP + stacking ND filter at 95 mm with step-up rings 82-95.
or
2) LP + stacking ND filter at 82 mm and also geta low rider ring 82mm. So 14-20mm I can use low rider ring for LP + ND combo and anything above 20-30mm, I can use its stock adapter at 82mm. As they say it prevents vignetting.
Cost wise option 2 is cheaper as I am just paying for extra low rider ring for really wider angles focal length to prevent vignetting.
What I don't know is option 1 is the guaranteed best combo (regardless of price) to prevent 100% vignetting? Or option 2 with low rider ring will also prevent like option 1 or near prevents vignetting but not sure. But I don't know. What's your take?
@@MrBPM75 I haven't had the chance to play with the low rider ring, I didn't know he'd released the final version of it! I just might have to order one to play with!
But, because I haven't had a chance to use the low rider ring, I can't say confidently how well it works. In theory, it should be good - but I hate to say yes, when I haven't tried it myself.
If you already have the original CPL and don’t need the variability, do you think getting the LPL is worth it? Or would you just continue using the CPL?
Good question! I need to do a side-by-side test between the original CPL and the new LPL, the new LPL is supposed to be even better color accuracy wise. I believe that to be true, but I haven’t done a side-by-side.
However, even with that said, in my most recent video I released on the original filters, the CPL does “warm” things up a bit - which is visible in my in the office review of the image I took with the original CPL compared to a no-filter image. I personally don’t mind that, as I tend to warm up my images a bit anyways, so that effect just takes an image the direction I tend to go anyways. So if you are like me, and that warming from the original CPL doesn’t bother you - you are probably fine with the originals.
Hope that helps! Happy to answer any questions I can!
Thank you for your response. That is helpful. Keep up the great videos!
I will stick with Haida
I haven't tried or used those filters before!