Fix Your Variable ND Filter Problems With This New Style of Filter!
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
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Table of Contents:
0:00 - A New Era Of Variable ND Filters
1:25 - A Quick Primer On Filters
3:25 - What about Variable ND Filters
5:37 - The New Variable ND/CPL Filters
6:02 - PolarPro Chroma Filters
9:28 - Frewell V2 Hybrid CPL/VND Filter
12:03 - Haida ProII MC CPL-VND
13:25 - Pros, Cons, and Functional User Experience
18:50 - Color Rendition and Sharpness
21:23 - Realistic Use In A Kit
22:45 - Which Filter Should You Get?
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GOD YOU'RE LITERALLY READING MY MIND, i've been in the market to upgrade my K&F for either the haida or freewell but never saw any good comparisons! THANK YOU DUNNA
Glad I could help!
@@dunnadidit I wish you added the NiSi ones in this too honestly!
Is it just me or is there a stutter in the audio every few seconds across the whole video that's driving me cracy?
It's not just you, it's happening to me also
Ugh, sometimes technology is so frustrating.
I thought my computer was dying 😅
Was about to throw my PC through the window. Glad I got into your comment seconds before that 😆
Yyp same for me
Literally the video i was looking for today
Noice!
I’ve been using the Freewell V2 for a few weeks and I really love it!
Nice! It’s so close to being a complete system too. Hopefully they complete it!
Thanks for the video. Very useful. I've been searching for ages for a video regarding these VND systems that include good info about usability and, in particular, sharpness. They're rarer than you'd think. Most of them lean too heavily toward a sales pitch to be particularly useful. Thanks again. 👍
Such a well put together and informative video, you're amazing at this! Wonderful job
Real pros know you can slightly unscrew standard VNDs to control polarization. 😜😜
😂😂😂
Perfect timing as I needed to update due to new lens size - Haida just ordered as don’t need magnetic as it’s for video work (and I have lost too many filters) and price compared to performance for me it was easy! Also bought 82mm with step up ring to prevent problem in the future…. Thank you 👍👍👍
Nice! Definitely the way to go with stepups! Future proofing is the way to go!
Dude god damn this vid earned a sub I was literally just looking in to a vnd/cp hybrid
Great review!! And the tripod looks solid ;)
Awesome video Dunna! Very thourough and you answered a lot of my questions. I lean toward the Haida because of simplicity and cost. I would recommend using Permatex thread locker for the pin that loosens. I assure you it will no longer work its way out.
Thanks for the tip! Glad the video was helpful! I definitely like what Haida has done with this one!
Rocking the Haida 82mm and absolutely love it. I primarily use it in my Sigma 35 1.2 and is pretty much essential to shoot wide open.
Love to hear it!!
have you tried any ultra wides ? hows the performance ?
Nothing beyond 16mm. Even with 16mm sometimes I can see a little vignette in photo/opengate.
@@dunnadidit cool my widest is 16mm ( have a full frame body as well ) i guess getting a bigger filter than the lens will solve it
Thats definitely helpful! Big and thin is the key. All of these ones were mostly good to 16mm with maybe a tiny bit of vignetting for photos (because of the slightly larger 3x2 frame)
Great watch. Thank you.
Cheers! Thanks for watching!
Great comparison
Thanks!
you dropped the video on the best possible time , i bought my first camera last sept now planning to get a VND and this one seems perfect i just dont want that cross pattern and tha HAIDA seems perfect, i already had planned to go the store tomorrow morning , if i can get the haida i will get it
Nice! So glad to hear it!
Thanks for this overview, Dunna! This was super helpful since I’m looking for a VND/CPL solution right now. I like the convenience of the Freewell magnets, but I guess I’ll have to weigh up their different systems since they aren’t perfectly matched with each other.
That’s really the trick… finding a complete system!
I just built my own adjuster for under $40 and it works on any VND without breaking the bank on a new system.
NICE! Thats super smart!
How you made it 😊
@ayoubthegreat I posted a step by step on the Tubes.
I have recently been rocking the Freewell V2 and I love it. I do wish you could use the other magnetic filters with the set like you could the old magnetic VND's but maybe V3? LOL Great video!
Agreed! Like I showed in the video, they “kind of” work but obviously not a great fit.
I got the Haida last year. It’s nice & affordable
I have a Freewell K2 that I really like. I still have the older style as well, which are nice since the K2 has a huge diameter and looks pretty goofy on most of my lenses. I'm a hobbyist/enthusiast so the drawbacks of VND's don't *really* bother me that much... probably the thing I think is most important is having TWO sets of darknesses, rather than trying to make ONE ND cover 8+ stops. So the K2 of course has a 1 to 5 and 6 to 9 which is great.
You forgot one other problem with vari ND’s: color shifts due to change in the strengths filtering out varying degrees of visible light but not equally proportionate amounts of infrared light.
For those who shoot and color their work this is a big annoyance when shooting to match exposure but throwing off the white balance when doing so. Even more so when not shooting raw.
OH MY GOD! I thought that Chroma finally will be perfect variable ND... But I'm grateful for this video because to me the method that PolarPro used to change the ND stops is killing the whole experience :-( I like to change the stops by rotating with one finger. Use two hands is totally kills this filter for me. God.... Why
My Freewell V2 rocks.
I was considering the Freewell 3-7 V2, but the only thing stopping me is the ND range. For some reason, I feel like 3-7 may be too limiting instead of a standard 1-5 and 6-9. In your experience, is it sufficient for shooting even in bright outdoor environments?
new sub here! Love your videos! But I noticed there's a bit of a strange jump between cartain audio cuts D: not sure if accidental or intentional, but just pointing out if you wanted to know
This video literally feels like it's inside my head right now 😂 you're awesome, my friend. I returned the Freewell V2 because it wasn't practical, and I'm managing with Haida at the moment. But I want to buy Polarpro. By the way, you can fit an 86mm lens cap in front of the 82mm Haida, but it doesn't hold very well. Does the Polarpro Helix also require two hands to use, and does the Helix version offer an advantage in terms of vignetting because it's larger? Because both Freewell and Haida give an X pattern at 16mm under some conditions.
Haha so glad to hear I hit the mark with this one for you. In terms of the helix system, I can only make assumptions but I think it would still require two hands and theoretically it should have less vignetting because of the size, but it's also a bit thicker and requires a base plate so that may offset it back to where it started. Also, anything under 16mm is going to be tough with most filters I think. You'd need something much bigger to not vignette.
@@dunnadidit Thank you very much for your answers. 🤘🍻
My pleasure!
One crucial absent piece of info here is how well each of them cut IR. I have the Haida, happy in every way but it does look like it does a poor job with IR. In certain light I am left with redish skin tones which are annoying to clean up in post (Fuji XH2S is poorly rated for eliminating IR). Some of these VD/CPL combos actually do a great job on IR cutting yet fail to mention this anywhere on their specs.
Very interesting! I’ll have to keep an eye out for that!
@@dunnadidit There's a good video on YT floating around on it.
Weird! I couldn't find any step up ring options for the Frewell V2 Hybrid CPL/VND Filter on amazon or on their website.
Is 7 stops enough when shooting slog3 during daylight with iso 800 and f/2.8 ?
I stopped the video right when the price info was provided. I know that my toyota corolla does not go 200mph but I will live with it.
Haha I hear that! Did you at least get to the price of the Haida one?
Is it me or is there weird Audi issues happening? What mic were you using?
hi , just receive mine PMVND chroma glass but not rotate as smooth as u in the video full spin rotating VND part 2-5 stop . any hack for that ? thank you .
Nisi True Color is missing here. I use it and love it
Nice review, Please compare it to nisi swift vnd 😊
I definitely gotta get my hands on that one!
I have the Haida.Anyone tried stacking filters on it?.Suggestion on which one goes first on the lens?Black diffuson first or VND first?
I could be wrong but I don't believe the Haida has a thread on the front. Or if it does I think it is a bigger size, so you're likely going to have to put it on second regardless.
It does have but it is one step bigger. That's why i recommend 77mm so you can stack an 82mm in front.
This could be shorter at around 10mins if you dont reexplain how polarizer and variable nd work.
Almost lost it halfway but i keep watching for what really matters: the result.
I definitely considered doing the short version but I figured it was helpful for people who don’t know and those who know can always use the chapters or just skip ahead.
Has Freewell fixed the massive yellow/green colour shift they had with their ND filters? It's one of the reasons I have not upgraded and have been looking at the Nisi True Colour ND-vario. CPL is nice, but I don't want to be worrying about the yellow/green colour shift from these ND Filters. The Polar Pros aren't any better either. Can you please do a comparison of all of these filters and what the colour shift is like without any filter on? I feel like that would be a much better review and comparison.
Check out 18:50
@@dunnadidit dang it. I’m an idiot lol. Freewell did pretty well surprisingly. I have one of their original 2-5 stop VND Filters and the colour shift is really bad. Might look into these new ones.
I can't believe how good Haida is. I've tested against NISI expensive alternative that claims to be truecolor and Haida blows it out of water in every single way. 3-7 stops is a much better range for a vnd.
If you're looking to buy it and you want to stack filters, don't get 82mm, get 77mm. The front thread is 82mm in the smaller one and 95mm in the bigger.
Thanks for leaving your thoughts!
Nice job man
I just want to see side by side the … polarising effect in exactly the same position and same lens let’s say 16 mm
I started using a combo hack of the Freewell M2 and threaded VND (timestamp 22:12)
Nice! Samesies!
I'm surprised to see that Freewell has a set of fixed (non variable) NDs. I have the set of Marumi magnetic Movie Kit which is include 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 stops filters. And i can combine two to achieve more stops (like 5+4 = 9 stops) without visible quality loss.
I like this set because the image quality is just perfect, without compromises. But still i have to buy variable for more spontaneous situations.
By the way, is the magnets strong enough in Freewell fixed NDs? My Marumi set has really thin filters with very weak magnets :-(
I have the Freewell M2 Magnetic, although I see practicality in the VND, it seems to me that the best quality would be in the fixed ones
@@miclube yes, in more serious jobs, when I have time to set up everything, I will definitely prefer fixed NDs
The Freewell requires a $35 adapter. Amazon only has the 77mm.
I bought an old used polarizer on ebay for $8.
its all i need.
Bam
1-5 and 6-9 combo is annoying for SLOG3 shooting. Because you have to swap them constantly if you film in 24 or 25p.
look at all those FILTERS!!!!
The cheapest one performed the best. Go figure. No wonder they are sold out everywhere.
They definitely made something great!
Audio is messed up
I'm a simple man. I see "Peter McKinnon" and I buy it.
i am a simple man , i peter mckinnon and i know i cant afford
Haha, part of me loves this because of the simplicity. But also I would strongly advise to change that to "I see Peter McKinnon and I look into whether it makes sense for me and my kit" lol... but if it works for you, I'm not here to knock your method lol.
@@dunnadidit So should I buy it? How do I know if it makes sense for my kit? Are there better other options I should be comparing it to? Thank you. I rely upon CZcamsrs like yourself to give me honest buying advice.
@@skymakai Do you really need a built in CPL is the question. There are many reviews out there about how the Freewell and Polar Pro ND filters have some bad colour shifting. The Polar Pro ones suffer from vignetting in the corners if you have a wide(16mm) lens. I'd look at in depth reviews from other people here on CZcams.
I'm definitely with @GolfRambo in that you should do some research from other reviews as well. I also tried to be as helpful as possible at the beginning of this video by kind of explaining what the filters do and the problem that they solve. I do think everyone should have a CPL, most people should probably have ND filters of some sort, and VND's can be a more convenient way to adjust ND... then on top of that, definitely looking at the options that I showed (there were 3 options in this video) to see which one fits your budget and provides the solution you need. In this case, the polarpro might have some cool features and they're great quality, but they also have some issues that the others don't face. Not a blanket reason for everyone to make a decision, but something to factor into your own equation. The big question I always tell everyone to consider is "DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM?" If the answer is that you don't have any problems in your workflow, you don't need to buy anything else. But if the answer is "yeah, my current vnd's ruin my skies" or "I don't have any filters and I want to get into them" or "my current filter system is too cumbersome" then it's time to do the research!
can’t you already counter it by slightly unscrewing your vnd and rotating to adjust polarization? i’d rather do that than pay so much more for other filters unnecessarily
You absolutely can! The issue with that is then the filter is moving slightly further away and can fall out by accident if you’re not careful. But if that’s a trade off you’re willing to make, it’s a solid hack!
Why would they make the ND part of the polarpro filters have that tactile feed back 🤨seem really stupid, and tbh reason enough not to buy them. When I'm outside doing interviews I like to smoothly change the ND if the light changes. Hmm are the Helix Mag lock Mist filters compatible with the new Chroma Mag Lock ones? I see they finally have a 1/8 strength one which would be great.
I have the Freewell V2, it's really good but I hate the screw...
P.S the gold is tacky
Yeah I go back and forth on the tactile feedback for stops. One day it's handy, then the next it's annoying. All the previous maglock ones stacked fine so you should be able to stack these ones too.
Not exactly new. SLR Magic's VNDs from 10 years ago could be rotated to adjust the polarization.
Great point! I was pretty careful not to say this was a new concept for this reason haha(though I do recognize that it is in the title lol). I knew there must be one out there that did this before. But it does seem like a bunch of companies are catching on that this is a valuable thing to implement. So it's more "new" in that it's newly being adopted more widely (from where I stand anyway).
Anyone also cleaning screen to remove this smudge on Color Check table ? Or it was just me ;)
First
Noice! Nailed it!
They are only good for video,
I disagree... however I do think they are MORE useful for video than for photography. Adding the CPL in there makes me way more likely to use them in photography.
@@dunnadidit it gives it the blue tint
Audio is fucked up
I concur.
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