Labour landslide âunlikelyâ after local elections
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 18. 05. 2024
- Sky's Jon Craig, Steve Richards and Anne McCelvoy join Times Radio for a round-up of the local elections thus far.
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What a load of Tory propaganda bs
Tories are dreadful but Starmer is even worse. The NHS will be privatised for a start.
There's only one way that we'll find out...
It will be a landslide.
That's too harsh. A balanced political landscape benefits everyone
â@@seanoconnor8843
Nothing balanced. George Galloway for PM!!â€
Gonna circle back to this when Starmer is PM
takethekneelabornextlammmy as FM godhelp us
starmer became the protest vote because Reform wasnt represented in all wards. Labour have not made any significant advances since the last by-elections. There is a rumour that Farrage is returning to polatics as well.
This is literally delusional. Keep coping Tories.
People said the same in 1992 and 2017/19.
LOL More Tory nonsense...
The copium is strong with this one.
Tories are not going to address this, they are just going to alienate themselves further with ludicrous spin.
I think that Jon Craig was still asleep and dreaming when he was saying that Labour won't wipe out the Tories. When he wakes up he will find that his worst Tory nightmare are happening under his nose.
đđđđđđ Youâre stuffed.
The guy saying the Tories have a majority of 90 is missing two facts:
Sunak has lost so many by-elections that the current majority is just over 50.
Johnson's "massive majority" was always a lie - it was a series of seats won with tiny majorities that need fairly small swings to go back to Labour.
In the local elections, many vote for smaller parties. Come the General Election, people revert more to the main parties, or rather the main party doing well - plus there will be huge tactical voting to get the Tories out. Barring Reform changing its mind and stepping down for the Tories (which seems very unlikely), it absolutely WILL be a landslide.
Do the Tories deserve to retain many seats after the train wreck they have inflicted on this country? There is an existential threat to the Tories as a 'unified' party going forward. They might get replaced altogether.
No it wont at all people dont like any of the 2 major parties and really hate there leaders
Gooner, read the original comment again slowly.
Reform didn't damage the Tories, they merely intercepted votes that were going elsewhere.
I suspect that the Tories will use tax payers' hard earned cash to bribe Tice and Farage not to stand against them as let's face it, without question they are the most corrupt 'government' ever.
Keep whistling in the wind, Tories.
đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łthe Times is so funny!
o dear uncle rupert is desperate,,
And now the Tory West Midlands Mayor is toast too.
Not exactly burnt to a crisp though. Just .3% victory for Labour isn't exactly resounding given the national situation we are in.
@@quintuscrinis8032It is when you remember that the Tories changed the electoral system to First Past The Post to help them win
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Call the election.
A longue debate (45min) about nothing, pure obfuscation and time wasted. Labour doesn't need a landslide. Labour needs to win the largest share of the votes.
It's a typical Tory trick - create lots of milestones the opposition HAVE to reach in order to be seen as being successful. Funnily enough, the Tories themselves are never held to such standards or constraints.
Indeed don't buy the times
@@houldenc22 I donât and never did. I came across in CZcams and thought it was dishonest.
Good I used to think the times was a decent paper, when actually it is now populated by right wing hacks.
Don't support it, maybe they'll go away
If they can win a landslide it buys them longer to sort out the Tory mess.
Comedy gold.
Andy Street defeated in West Midlands race in a major loss for Tories
True things aren't looking good for the Tories. But Labour only won that race by 0.3%!!
Given the national situation and the state of the Tories at the moment that's not great for Labour either!
â@@quintuscrinis8032Andy Street is locally popular and has a good record. Incumbent bonus should have been safe despite the general tory malaise
Bahahahahahahaha!
Thanks for the chuckle. Am obviously not watching the tory propaganda, but the thumbnail has hilarious levels of copium in it.
They demean themselves by being so transparently partisan.
Aged poorly already
This guy is loopy
Lol what?
After today?
You were telling us this morning Susan Hall was going to win the London mayoral election (How did that go)
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35 % turnout, if her voters had got off there backsides and voted it would have been a different result
â@@1eddwoodThe turnout was 40%. You can't assume every non voter was a stay at home tory. Many Labour voters could have stayed at home. It's impossible to know who these non voters are. You sound desperate.
@@1eddwood They're not her voters because they didn't vote for her (for a reason).
@@1eddwoodif they donât turn out to vote, they arenât anyones votersâŠ
The bookmakers have labour at 1 to 8 to win so I doubt the Tories have a chance.
Keep telling yourselves that. The Tories need to worry about not being the official opposition. As things stand a majority of 150 would be, 'meh'. Not that a three figure majority is ever really meh. Blair's 1997 majority of 179 should be in their sights and certainly 1945's 145 seats. Two hundred would be nice. I'm voting Labour, and I'm a card-carrying member of a different party because I think there's a chance of ousting my Tory MP.
I agree but the reality is that it's a given that we'll be saying the same thing about Labour in about 18 months, there's a reason why the Tories have been in for the last 13 years.
Absolutely pointless projection, translating peoples local votes to the national one for one is meaningless. People will vote differently in the GE its as simple as that.
Itâs not just these local elections. Itâs 2 years of consistent opinion polls, multiple by-elections, the Tory to Lab swings in the mayoral elections and 2 sets of local elections.
Also who will know how those that voted for independent candidates will vote at a general election. Independent candidates across the country amounted to 22%.
@@royboy565 on top of that Reform were not a force in the locals, their potential support is almost all about the GE and a large chunk of the 25% who voted Tory on Thursday are voting Reform in the GE.
Not entirely meaningless. A great many people vote for party rather than candidate. So while these local votes are not the same as the votes in a general election, there is a strong correlation.
Thy keep comparing the current lot to Major as if Sunak is somehow more preferable to Major? This lot are WORSE than they were in 97, and the country sees that.
What a joke! Pathetic!
No EU rejoin - no vote.
Labour will win seats in Scotland as well , nice try Tory Media but your pals are toast
What a load of tory tosh! Read the runes, ToriÂŁs OUT !!
At long last.
Amazing how all the tory client media have miraculously come to the same conclusion at the same time. Almost as if they get their messaging from CCHQ.
Hahahahahahahahah, ahem, sorry...... No Hahahahahahahaha hillarious face saving attempt, British version of Comical Ali??
this is hilarious !!!
Nowhere man Ritchie Sunak is waxing his surfboard and big splash Penny Mordaunt is choosing new wallpaper.
A leadership change is just deck chairs on the Titanic at this stage. The Tories are doomed either way.
So this is the new narrative that is bein spun
A lot of people don't bother about locals it's all about the G E and i think the Tories will be totally demolished.
Who is this gammon?
Labour by over 100 seats.
Time for proportional representation.
NO
I believe P R will happen sooner rather than later.
@@royboy565 It wont that would let reform in.
â@@zog97xyIf Reform get more than 50% of the vote they *should* get in.
â@@zog97xyI want P R because it means every vote counts. Fpp gives us minority govts. The best reason for having P R is it will stop tactical voting but more importantly the tories will probably never be in power again.
Yeah what ever go away with your propaganda.
I must've missed something because the results I've seen showed Labour absolutely destroyed the Tories?
Its not difficult though is it? This government arent real tories therefore why would tory voters want to vote for them? Reform would have done far better had they put a candidate everywhere like they will at the GE. Millions of us didnt bother as there was no local candidate for Reform, so these poltical experts need to factor this in before getting so smug.
These people are not long for this world.
Oh look it's Jon from Tory News HQ formally known as Sky News UK and he's talking absolute BOLL0X
Why is this wrong? 1. A lot of people stayed home - the very people who don't care about local politics but only who's running the country. 2. Independents will not have the same effect in a general election. Everyone will know that the PM will either be Starmer or Sunak. They will vote accordingly. 3. Local issues will not be part of the mix. 4. The most relevant result of the night was the by-election, which produced a 26% swing. 5. Sunak is a terrible politician and he generally avoids the public as much as he can. This won't be possible during the election campaign. The more people see of him, the more they will want to get rid of him. 6. The direction of travel in the polls is downward. There is no reason to think we have hit bottom. The longer he puts it off the worse it is likely to get.
I love delusional tories⊠keep them coming please, this channel is the best for it
Our "local" elections were for the Police Commissioner, not the local council.
Ben Houtchen, current guiding star of the Tories, who distanced himself from his party throughout his campaign. Even lost his blue rosette at the declaration. Poor Tories those who love you are ashamed to admit it.
"To govern with a degree to stability, not great to be relying on Scotland" translation: English voters are worth more than Scottish voters, and by extension the voice of English MP's is worth more than Scottish MP's. Imagine for just one second is a Scottish journalist had said this about English voters, they would be cast out of polite society. The sheer contempt show by the elite ruling class to Scottish voters is staggering and so ingrained it barely even registers.
Gonna save this one and come back to it post-electionâŠ
TORIES ARE THE THIRD PARTY
Hahaha, amazing when the obvious truth shows how lying is all that is left for the Tories.
What planet is Anne McCelvoy on? How can you put Sunak and champagne in eh same sentence? Even if they had held on to the West Midlands, would he really be cracking open the champagne?! Seems terribly divorced from reality.
26% swing in Blackpool. If that doesn't bode a landslide I don't know what does
With comprehensive tactical voting it is possible to prevent a single Tory form being elected.
So they retained one Mayor and all is well with the Tory party. Yeah right.
Forgettable solipsism here
Another great listen to remind one of the dangers of inumeritacy and ignorance of statistics.
A landslide for Labour is unlikely, as is pointed out here, because of the Toriesâ current majority. But Blair had the biggest majority of the 20th century and the mood is similar to then, if not more vociferously anti-Tory. The longer the Tories hang on in power the more of a spanking they are going to get.
"I see no ships"
Pity such a distinguished publication is so obviously prepared to twist the truth in support of a disgraced and superannuated party.
*What blabbering on.*
Heavy blinking is a clear sign of overdosing on copium. I hope he gets the help he needs.
Keep saying it and you'll eventually convince yourselves.
I want to see PR so that right wing extremists won't have any say so in policy.
That Sky 'analysis' was ridiculous and that was disappointing from John. If anyone thinks it is still 'all to play for' they need to speak to a GP.... provided they can get an appointment of course. And seriously are people claiming that Houchen winning is a positive sign? The swing there was dramatic, and if that is repeated in the GE, the local tory MP will be eviscerated.
this video has a 1/40 like to dislike ratio
Egg on face. Same on Times Radio! Spinning Susan Hall BS all day Friday and Saturday. Now doing the same again!
What do you mean the LibDems weren't eye catching? They beat the Tories.
Boris was economic with the truth?
Muslim outrage in relation to Gaza is justified but why wasn't there similar anger about the widespread grooming scandal across the UK
Fact, The number of English native WHITE groomers in prison outweighs the remainder. Thatâs information provided by the Conservative own data, so donât let facts get in the way of any narrative or belief. Just saying!
Dream on
Tories will be lucky to be the official opposition where i live in a blue wall seat the council is now soilid Lib-Dem and you couldn't buy a tory voter
Tory corruption isn't corruption apparently.
The reconning is coming.
I would love elections if we had any viable parties to vote for.
This! what are they like?..... bumbling self-serving liarsđ€„
Exactly, millions of us didnt bother voting as Reform werent standing in many areas.
COPE
Tories need a few years in opposition. It's the only way that major parties learn the mood of the electorate.
They would NEVER say that about the Tories if the Tories were the ones who won such massive victories in thos elections. Pure propaganda.
Tory loving radio, good luck with that
Murdockâs Times Radio propaganda machine continues to do his bidding.
Labour will be the largest party after the next General Election. I do see Labour forming a coalition
:)
All nationalists should vote and not to labour.
Labours wet blanket. Waking up.
This thumbnail had me in fits of laughter, good one fellas đźâđš
Turnout in my area was 22% ,which means nothing in regards to the General election outcome . I've stopped listening to predictions . They're normally miles out anyway.
Bwahahaha - who said political satire was dead... hysterical.
Jokes! đđ
havent the tories been saying u cant extrapolate local elections into national???
There is a huge amount of clutching at straws and wishful thinking here.
Coppium right here
Delusional. Jon Craig and Anne think there is everything to play for the Tories! đ€Łđđ€Ą
Goodness.... when all this over, the conservatives will be lucky if they can cobble together 90 seats in total. Never mind Labour having to beat that number in some parliamentary majority.
I suppose these guys got to knock Labour down in victory or they won't get paid.
Really is but that is what he wishedThey get all they deserve don't they
This is obviously Tory propaganda but that said i hope it's true. This outcome would not be good for the Tories since it would increase the likelihood of PR being brought in.
The times , same as sunak , delusional,
When are the media ever going to learn? Polls have been consistently incorrect for well over a decade. Itâs not surprising really when the sample size is so small.
Yup.... very unlikely đ
Then it will be PR and no TORY s thank God
Hey! Tories! keep deluding yourselves!
Sun unlikely to rise tomorrow.