5 Things in Avatar 2 You’ll ONLY Catch on a Rewatch
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- I’ve seen Avatar: The Way of Water 5 times. Here are 5 smaller details you’ll appreciate far more on a rewatch than you can on a first viewing.
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0:00 Introduction
2:49 What will you notice from each format?
4:51 Exploring Spider and Neytiri’s relationship
6:27 An arm for an arm
7:33 Payakan’s unique point of view
9:09 Sully’s four-fingered children
10:40 Conclusion - Krátké a kreslené filmy
to be completely honest my first viewing of avatar: the way of water wasn’t all that great-meaning, I enjoyed the movie and found it entertaining, but I had issues with the plot + subplots, however my second viewing definitely changed my mind (I still have some issues with the plot and order, but I can forgive them to an extent) I paid attention to the dialogue, the story, and I took in details, which made me appreciate this movie so much more. It’s so easy to get lost in the visuals-I mean let’s face it this movie is a spectacle, so I understand if people don’t get it the first, but that’s why I recommend everyone to at least watch this movies twice, because trust me you’re missing out on so much if you don’t. 💙
Hope you don’t mind if I pin this comment. I completely agree. It’s not a perfect film, but you’re not gonna *get it* until at least your second viewing. There’s so much more to the story.
@@Geekritique awe thank you so much!
I had a similar experience with The Way of Water. I loved it on my first viewing, but at the same time I was quite disappointed with it due to issues with the story, and a good chunk of unanswered questions.
However, I've re-watched the film multiple times since then and I've appreciated it more and more with each viewing. I still have issues with the story and lack of answers, I'm still debating wither the film is better than the first because of it (and I hope an Extended Edition will fix those issues), but it's still my favorite film of 2022, and I discover details that I never noticed before whenever I watch it again.
You should leave then.
Cameron, I don’t think you read the whole comment lol.
this is just a minor one but when Lo'ak first sees tsireya emerging from the water, he looks at her with lovestruck eyes right? now look at Neytiri while he is looking at tsireya, she knows here son has a crush, she even smiles a bit.
I didn’t catch that! I did see Neteyam look at him with a smirk on his face though!
YESSSS I even seen this in the trailer her side eye😂😂😂
He even does an eyebrow raise!
The whole family be like "go for it champ"
Bro took it to seriously
The part you mentioned about Payakan's disbelief of Lo'ak asking to be friends, man I really didn't notice that until now. Its a really beautiful moment.
Loved this video.
Oh man, next time you watch it, keep an eye on all of Payakan’s reactions. So powerful.
One detail I can add is that when Neteyam and Lo'ak were hurt in the first battle (with the train), Jake quickly checks under Neteyam's back to see if he had been shot through, but it was fine. Then when he actually dies, Jake checks under him again, and sees the exit wound.
I remembered the latter scene from the first viewing, but only noticed the former on the second viewing.
I don't know much about guns and gun injuries by the way, but I don't understand why seeing the exit wound was what made Jake understand Neteyam was going to die. I figured a bullet staying inside is worse, for infection and all that, and a quick search also says an exit wound is better, because a stuck bullet has focused all its kinetic force inside the body, causing more internal damage.
Not that a clean wound with an exit hole can't be very deadly however, I've seen bow hunters take a bear with an arrow that goes straight through and out the other side, and the bear is completely dead 10 seconds later.
Great catch. Yeah, exit wounds are pretty deadly if not treated immediately, basically too much of the body’s interior is ripped apart and your losing blood from both sides. Being so close to internal organs doesn’t help either.
@Geekritique if you also notice the bullet going through is what caused him to die faster. When they were in the water (salt water i pressume) neteyam starts to drown. His lung was filling with the water. If not for that i believe he wouldve had a long hard recovery
As a medic specialising in trauma (not really gunshot wounds as we don't get a whole lot of them, we're not USA - but still, I did learn about them and practice treating on fake ones) - being shot is basically treated the same as being impaled by something. And the first thing you should know about being impaled/stabbed/shot: you NEVER, absolutely freaking NEVER remove the foreign object from your body. It's going to be done in an operating room in a hospital, where they're able to control the bleeding that's about to happen.
To the point: if get hit with something and that something stays in your body, it acts as a tourniquet, basically plugging your body and not allowing you to bleed out in a matter of sometimes seconds. So if you'd been shot in the chest area, same as Neteyam, if I was the medic responding to your call, I would highly prefer you not having an exit wound. If it's just one hole, we can pack it really tightly with gauze and hemostatics, give you some pain meds and TXA (drug making blood clot faster), hang up some IV fluids to keep your BP up and haul you to the hospital ASAP.
Sorry for such a long reply, if anything's still not clear, I'll do my best to explain :)
I think Spider's saving Quaritch proves that he is not his father's son. He has empathy and a conscience that Quaritch, at this point, is lacking... though it is hinted at when Quaritch shows some apparent feeling for Spider, though he said he had none. People are saying Spider is going to be the next villain, but it would make more sense to see him in a hero arc. Being a human, but having great sympathetic feeling for the Navi and Pandora, Spider could be who brings the storyline full circle back to Earth, perhaps with Kiri by his side.
This movie deserves every penny
It’s so worth it!
I do love Payakan. Lo’ak’s relationship with him is gong to be a growing story arc. They’re now brothers. Payakan to me is a character not a creature. His eyes are so soulful and expressive.
Payakan is THE BEST.
I can't wait to watch the extended cut. I feel there must be an intimate scene between Neteyam and Neytiri, because his death just didn't hit me as hard as it was supposed to. Neytiri's outrage was understandable - but from a story telling standpoint the set-up was missing. In a talk between Robert Rodriguez and Cameron it was brought up that he saw a cut of the film that was 30minutes longer than the theatrical cut. So, I'm hopeful we get to see it.
You may be right. Overall I feel Neytiri and Neteyam had the least screen time, and I have to assume they were mostly cut.
From a plot standpoint I could see his death coming from a mile away. As a character he was basically modeled to be muffled to the background asap, by being the "perfect child" and thus mainly just existing to give Lo'ak his rivalry and conflict with his brother (which I didn't really pick up on in the movie- their vibe seemed fine). Giving the fact that he had been given the least screen time of the kids besides Tuktirey it was predictable (Just like Lo'ak's very obvious main character and future hero vibes) that he'd be the one to die sooner or later-especially because he was always the one getting Lo'ak out of the pretty much always life-threatening trouble he caused. It is a shame, since I found him to be more likeable than his little brother.
i watched it the 2nd time and focused on the elder brother and sobbed so hard at his death scene ))':
@@whytellmewhy Me as well and I’m currently depressed because of it 😭 feels like I’m grieving a real person… Neteyam will be so missed, he was so kind ❤️
You have Neteyam's birth ceremony, and Neytiri's gasp of pure happiness during it.
Although Neteyam and Lo'ak's relationship haven't been fully fleshed-out in this movie, there are some subtle moments where Neteyam is always affectionate to Lo'ak by touching him especially in the head until the scene of Neteyam's funeral where it is now Lo'ak who is touching his brother's head as a farewell. There is also a scene in the movie where Neteyam and Lo'ak had a quarrel on saving Payakan, Lo'ak's response on Payakan being his brother made Neteyam annoyed in which my guess is that Neteyam kinda misunderstood that literally. We know that the tulkuns and the Metkayina tribe have a kind of spiritual bond with each other in which they called each other as their spiritual brothers/sisters just like Ronal and her deceased tulkun sister Roa and Tsireya with his sister tulkun.
These are some excellent points!! Thanks for sharing. I especially appreciate that first one. The attention of detail of Lo’ak holding his dying brothers head. 😢
@@Geekritique Yeah, i literally cried at that scene. I really like Neteyam's character and his relationship with his siblings especially Lo'ak. It's a shame that they had to kill him early. He had potential throughout the film but i didn't expect much because of how short his screentime was compared to Lo'ak and the foreshadowing of his death early on the film.
I've watched the movie 6 times now and I watched the cause and affect of different character's actions throughout to see how differently things could have played out and one in particular especially hurts.
Neytiri had an opportunity to try to save Spider. But she chose not to. Kiri called out to her to get her attention that he was down there in danger and being taken, but Neytiri chose to run instead.
This one decision led to her having to leave her home. And it led to Neteyam's death. Because her children don't feel the same about Spider as she does and would not leave him like she did.
This decision is also where Quaritch and Spider get the opportunity to bond and so they save each other later on.
Neytiri's blind rejection and discrimination towards Spider cost her so much and will likely continue to until she learns to let it go.
Oh man, I really love this. You’re so right! Her dislike of the boy triggers the events of the rest of the film. Great comment!
I kind of agree, but at the time, Neytiri was trying to get herself and her children out of danger and away from the Recoms who were, you know, shooting at them. I don't see it necessarily as Neytiri "abandoning" Spider as much as she's making a cold calculation that to take the time to go down and get Spider might end up with both her and Kiri dead or captured by the RDA forces.
Basically, she was trying to get away from danger and there was no time to save both Spider and Kiri. She chose to save Kiri.
If there had been time to save Spider, she likely would have done so, albeit reluctantly.
@@liamwescott9264 😭she's wasn't gonna save him. She hates him. She def would of killed him at the end if Q ain't listen.
@@liamwescott9264 But that's the thing, if it was, let's say, Lo'ak instead of spider and Neytiri didn't have much time to save Lo'ak, she still would choose to do EVRYTHING to save him.
But Spider is not important enough, she had all the children she cared for, so she left.
@@eunyounguzun2597 yeah and it’s weird that spider is not important enough to her, not because she should’ve have loved him as her own cause he grew up with her kids, but because the kid literally knows everything about the sully family and navi, like I said he grew up with them. It wasn’t just a cold hearted movie but a stupid one.
People focus so much on Jake and loak and what action of theirs caused their misfortune but everyone forgets that the one that literally ties everything, is neytiri not saving spider. Moving away, cause of not saving spider. Spider being left with quaritch who seemed to be the only one to care about him causing spider to teach him stuff- is cause of not saving spider. neteyam dying trying to save spider was cause of not saving spider. Spider saving quaritch, was cause of her not saving spider. Literally all of it could’ve been avoided had she saved spider
Something i really liked is that Quaritch is terrified of Neytiry. He could probably kill her in hand to hand but he's genuinely afraid of her, and specially her arrows. Is like a primal fear he can't hide, we can see his face of anguish when he knows he's in the ship and he looks at one of the arrows. This same fear is why he let's go her son. Because he's very aware she's not bluffing.
So true! I love this little detail!
And when he sees the arrows Neytiri shot into his human body - he visibly shudders.
Don't forget that Quaratch also halted Spider's torture to "try a different approach" and he told Spider to "just ride along...I'm not asking you to betray Jake. I admire loyalty."
He's good at playing people, not using brute force like that new commander was doing. He "played" Jake in a similar way, wanting to genuinely befriend him to get to a common goal.
The thing about the digits with with Lo’ak and Kiri this is probably why they get along sooo well with Spyder because he doesn’t look at them like they a freak he just loves them for who they are.
That’s a possibility.
There is an interesting and touching detail in the scene at the shack when the kids are being held prisoner by the Recoms.
Neytiri calls out to her children with a sound that the Recoms take to be a Pandoran animal or bird or something. The kids notice it immediately. You can see their ears perk. Pay close attention to Lo'ak and Spider right after Neytiri starts calling out to them. They exchange a knowing look and a very slight nod.
Neytiri is basically tell her children that Mom is out there, coming to their rescue and to be ready when the time comes.
And they were ready.
Yeah, I really love that scene. Chills every time.
I mean that one wasn’t really a miss
I feel like everyone knew that
I feel like everyone knew that
For me the 2nd viewing only revealed how many times Neteyam came close to actually dying and I was white knuckled, clutching the armrest, knowing that he's gonna die anyways! That was my biggest takeaway from the re-watch!
It’s true. Great point. His death is foreshadowed pretty heavily in the beginning.
@@Geekritique and the fact that every time Lo'ak was the reason that almost got him killed, and in the climax again it was Lo'ak who convinces him to go inside the ship for rescue fight that put a bullet in Neteyam for good...
A major part of Lo'ak's arc in the sequels along with replacing Jake Sully as a leader, will be his inner guilt that got his big bro killed and his struggle with the guilt...
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Conflicts between Lo'ak-Jake and Spider-Quaritch will be just like Cobra Kai where Lo'ak might start to relate more with the redeeming Quaritch and Spider relating to Jake with Lo'ak growing apart from him...
Something that came to mind during Payakan's "arm for an arm" maneuver during the battle was how the marine biologist aboard the Tulkun hunting ships spoke to Spyder of the Tulkun's intelligence and their understanding of complex systems, such as those of maths and physics. I love this, because it switches up roles we are familiar with on earth in a way that is not so human-centric. We have mammals here that are capable of an enormous amount of emotional intelligence and awareness but humans on earth seemingly engage with complex abstract systems like mathmatics and measurement more so. On Pandora, it is at first glance, reversed. The Tulkun have an adept understanding of such things and the Na'vi lean more towards more practical arts. I believe this intense understanding of physics and calculation ability is how Payakan (and perhaps all Tulkun if they wanted) could execute his guerilla strike with such precision despite his size and mobility adversity while out of water. Tl;dr The Tulkun are highly intelligent in a way that would be considered genius on Earth, and I love that it was shown in a creature that wasn't a bi-pedal humanoid for once. Conciousness comes in all forms, and I love how normalized and integrated this understanding is on Pandora and among the Na'vi.
Yeah payakan has so much potential.
A parallel I noticed the third time I watched this movie is when kiri sees Neyiteri is trying to pull Tuk from going into the ships but gets pulled in from the water as it’s flooding. Kiri had a certain similar reaction earlier in the movies. when kiri had been connected to the Spirit Tree, sees Grace and gets sees her mom get “sucked into the void” and seizes.
Oh wow, I hadn’t caught that parallel. That’s brilliant. Thanks for sharing!
HOLY GUACAMOLE
A detail about the Matkayina that isn't discussed and as far as I'm aware is only shown once is that they have nictitating membranes on their eyes so they have better eyesight under the water. I didn't even notice until the CZcamsr "Bryce Edward Brown" stated it in his "The Metkayina Clan Explained" video, but you can see it when Tsireya comes out of the water once the Sullys land. As she blinks, you can see a translucent film move off of her eyes. Really cool detail!
That is an awesome detail. Great catch, and such a believable adaptation for the Metkayina.
1. If you remember, Quaritch told Spider his exomask is a tracker. So wherever Spider goes, Quaritch goes.
2. Neytiri crying over the RDA burning the forest happens sometime during Avatar Highground Issue #3 (but you cannot see her cry in that issue).
3. Bridgehead is similar to Jamestown. Jamestown (the first colony with a wall) was built to protect the English from the Native Americans back then.
4. Pandora's Fauna can perform some sort of telepathic communication with those they bond with. Either this or the bonded Na'vi can understand the Fauna's language.
Ooo, awesome details! Thanks for sharing!
@@Geekritique Also, the first Toruk Makto saved the Na'vi from a volcano. There are many volcanic regions across Pandora according to the Visual Dictionaries. These activities kind of foreshadow the threat of the Ash People. I believe the Ash People are Blue-Grayish like ash (all Na'vi have blue origins).
@@ryankwon8785 Woah! 🤯
Just on my 3rd time watching Avatar 2 I realized that Quaritch and his squad have a patch with the text "Project Phoenix" on their military outfits. Its just a little detail but i thought it was kinda cool to find
The patch also reads “DEJA BLU” which is awesome.
I think we really need the directors cut to fully experience what Avatar: TWOW was trying to convey without some plot issues
Or just to appreciate and experience more of this epic film.
some other interesting differences about the avatar versions of navi and their kids (inaddition to the fingers):
native navi don't seem to have eyebrows at all, but the avatars do, also the earlier generation avatars have more forward set eyes like a human (ex: grace's, one of the oldest), while native navi have their eyes more to the sides of their face, and later gen avatars like sully's have them somewhat in between those two.
kiri's avatar has eyebrows, very forward set eyes, and 5 fingers, exactly like her mother's (and literally the same voice as her mother's)
I’ve watched the movie 4 times now as of yesterday and I never noticed that when Payakan shows the hook in his fin, that hit me deep when you explained it 👏
I’m glad I was able to make this video then! Hope you notice it on a future viewing!
@@Geekritique yeah I’m going on Saturday to watch it in 4DX
Ooo enjoy!
@@Geekritique yes! I’ll let you know if I recommend it👍
I only saw it once, and I might need a rewatch because I never picked up on this so-called rivalry between Neteyam and Lo'ak, especially not Neteyam supposedly being the prodigy of the Omaticaya and Lo'ak living in his shadow. Their brotherly relationship was as normal as ever I'd say; I picked up Lo'aks annoyance of his brother's affection and jokes as simply frustrations of being the younger brother, not the "outcast". It wasn't shown or even hinted that Lo'ak and Kiri felt insecure about their appearances (until they met the Metkayina) or that Lo'ak felt inferior to his brother and overlooked by his parents. His parents are hard on him, especially Jake, because Lo'ak has caused life-threatening trouble for not just his siblings but also other clan members, and keeps causing trouble throughout the movie. Because I never got that he felt like he needed to prove himself due to his insecurities I just saw him as impulsive, cocky and reckless. It made him into a pretty unlikable character to me (along with his main character vibes being too obvious), and I hope he grows out of those features in the future movies.
I think you misunderstood what I said. I never mentioned rivalry or even hinted at that. Simply that Lo’ak considers Neteyam the perfect, dutiful son that he can’t live up to. He says as much to Neteyam near the start of the third act. He tells Payakan he’s an outcast, and he tells Aunung that he knows how it feels to be the disappointment. He later laments his 5 fingers in a confrontation to Tsireya. Extrapolating all this together, mixed into the fact that the film never addresses the other two children having the normal 4 fingers, it simply hints that there are missing scenes that were cut that *did* explore that more.
@@Geekritique My comment is a general observation from Lo’aks arc in the movie, instead of a direct reaction to your commentary. I got that he did express how he was a disappointment, but aside from Jake’s wrong- voiced concern and frustration over Lo’aks impulsiveness and rebellious behaviour this wasn’t shown, and I’m a big supporter of the show-don’t-tell rule in cinema. With the lack of scenes that prove Lo’aks claims about how he’s looked upon by everyone else it made me assume that he just misunderstands being reprimanded for being recklessness as a general disappointment in his existence and thus a self- fabricated negative self image. I saw Jake’s “I see you, son” at the end of the movie as more of an apology for being hard on him than anything else, though if it is shown that Lo’ak was really treated or seen as inferior to his siblings this line would make more sense.
I've only seen this twice so far, but as soon as it comes out on Disney+ I know I'm gonna be watching this and the first one back to back
I watched the first one when I was about four, and it's always held a special place in my heart. I didn't understand the themes well until I was about 12, and I feel it changed me as a person when I did understand the themes.
But even before I was old enough to understand them, the scenery, the world, I always leave Pandora with a strong, odd sense of peace. I can typically watch it without having to pause, and whenever the movie ends it's an odd transition back into our world.
Pandora is the perfect escape, the colours, the light, how free the Na'avi are, I've always been envious of it.
It's hard to explain but I'm sure I'm not the only one
" an odd transition back into our world " , that's exactly it!! I'm always left feeling slightly sad, coming back to a planet as damaged as ours, to a civilization so far gone ...
I don't know if anyone else has commented on this but at the beginning of the movie when Jake and Neytiri are talking about whether or not to leave, she holds up the bow her father gave her when he died and said to "protect the people". At the end of the movie, after Neteyam dies and she's fighting people in the wreck, the bow breaks. Her son died, meaning she couldn't protect her people. When I first watched it I was like "awww man that sucks" but it dawned on me a few days later 😭
Not only that, she's so numb that when her bow breaks she barely reacts to it at all. That really shook me up, especially seeing her overwhelming grief at both her father and Neteyam's death. Really meant she was pretty far gone into that feral mindset when she jumped down on the ship and began murdering the RDA with terrifying accuracy 😅 she can be scary as hell when she wants to be, I love that we got to see that properly in this film, as I love callbacks to the aspect that Na'vi can be pretty animalistic at times when their people are threatened
It's not talked in the film, but Neteyam and Aoung probably became friends, like, you can notices on one of the scenes with the Tulkun, at the same time that also shows Kiri and Roxto swiming with his Tulkun, Neteyam and Aoung are happily chasing each other with their Ilu.
It's so cute! And I wished that we could se more of Neteyam and Kiri relationship with their new friends
This is a great point! Thanks so much for sharing.
I would literally kill to see a proper interaction scene with Kiri and Rotxo and his Tulkun, and Aounung introducing Neteyam to his soul brother. We get to see one tiny few second clip of Tuk, Kiri and Rotxo but nothing of the others. I wish we could have seen the two of them become better friends and interact more!
I definitely noticed the arm symbolism on my first watch but now that you mention it it does feel like most of Neteyam's scenes were cut which is so perplexing considering the movie was almost FOUR hours long??!!? Oof
I know, when you stop to think about what the movie doesn’t show you, there has to be more there, under the surface.
On one hand I liked the 3D, on the other hand 2D is just sharper. I only watched it in IMAX 3D HFR. The 24 to 48 transition was seamless IMO.
Perfect. I do think the IMAX 3D HFR was my favorite.
Great video!!! One nice little detail I noticed was when Payakan does his flip after Lo’ak says they’re friends, Payakan extends his fin out to him. Also, when Lo’ak swims around him and finds the wound, Payakan kind of moves his fins to what looks like a hug
Thank you! And yeah, I’m so impressed with how emotive and caring Payakan is as a character. It’s so good.
I actually didn't understand that flip before this video. He turns around as if he's going to show Lo'ak his other side, but then ends up in the exact same position he was before, so he just did a little flip. I didn't realize it was because of joy (can't remember now exactly in what sequence all the shots happen, I've only seen it twice, and it was a month ago).
I saw Avatar 2 4x now!
And like you every time I see it, I like it a little bit more 💙💙It's good to hear, I'm not the only one seeing this movie that often 😁
*1x IMAX 3D Laser 4K, 3x in 4DX Dolby Atmos - Insane cinema experience* 🌊
I love Avatar 💙
Awesome, I’m glad I’m not the only one either!
I fall in love with the movie every time Kiri is on screen. Sigourney Weaver is convincing as a 14 year old girl. She was right when she said that James Cameron and her both know that’s she’s 14 at heart
Could be as simple as Spider is a moral person so he couldn't pass by anyone and let them die
It could be, but the film tells a different story, one where he grew attached to his father.
Quaritch is a mass murderer, the moral thing would be to leave him to die. Spider saved him because A) it's his father, and B) Quaritch gave up his chance at revenge to save Spider's life. I think definitely both of these factors were what made him save Quaritch (he probably wouldn't have saved Quaritch if it had happened earlier in the story, and probably not if he was not his father, and just some Recom he was forced to work with).
It's just so soulful
100%
the older brother's death wasn't as impactful the first time i watched it because all my focus was on the younger brother, kiri, and the villain. but the 2nd time i watched it with my focus on the elder brother, boy did i sob at his death scene. and i still feel like crying when his face appeared in your video ))':
100%. I feel the same way. It’s incredible how that second viewing changes your appreciation of the film.
I only watched it once recently and I want to watch it again. I’ve never wanted to watch the same movie for a second time in theaters but this movie is just so good
I hope there will be a directors uncut version
Me too!
I've watched it twice. The first time, I was so busy taking in the major themes of the characters and plot, so the second time, I could put much more attention to detail, and I came out appreciating it more.
Same here. The first time I was just lost in the lore and worldbuilding. Second time I really found I loved it.
I went to the theaters yesterday to watch it again bc it was so good
It’s a phenomenal movie!
One thing you don't notice if you're not that deep into nerdy Na'vi biology knowledge: When Neteyam and Lo'ak nearly get killed at the beginning of the movie, and Jake finds them unconscious, one of the first things he does is check the backs of their heads to see if the queue is undamaged.
Oh wow, excellent catch! Thanks for sharing!
After my 4th time watching, I also noticed something. When Jake gets his Ikran, it chooses him by trying to kill him. Then the same happens with Toruk..it tried to kill him and then later he ade shahelu with it. In the 2nd movie, Neyteri tells her kids "When I first met your father, I was trying to kill him". She basically "chose" him before even she knew she would "choose" him. I hope one day I can find such a deep love and bond with a woman.
That’s a really beautiful parallel. Thanks for sharing.
I fall in love with this movie more each time I watch it! 3 time already. I’m impatiently waiting for the dvd release!
Really waiting for the moment in one of the sequels where Neytiri saves Spider from danger.
Omg I'd KILL to see either Neytiri save Spider or Spider save Neytiri, just for the looks on both their faces 😂
Great video! I have seen it 3 times so far and agree it gets better each time. I didn't even know Lo'ak and Payakan bonded when he saw Payakans past until the second watch. I'm eager for my next viewing with the extra knowledge you shared!
Glad you liked the video and enjoy your next viewing!
Here’s my “didn’t notice on first time”, what do you think about it. During the hostage crisis, kiri and spider are both scared that neytiri is going to kill spider, and they just want to help each other. However, the two kids have different perspectives on neytiri’s emotions. Spider was there when neteyam dies, and he saw how devastated neytiri was and also saw her grief turn to anger when she was killing the humans. Kiri does not know this and just sees her mother threatening him. So my thought after watching the first time is “will kiri and mother have a reconcile/falling out in the beginning of the next movie”. But then the second time I watched it here is what I noticed. When kiri is saving Tuk and Neytiri from the ship she gives the angel wing breathing creature to neytiri instead of tuk (who you would think would get it because she is a young child). But when kiri gives the creature to neytiri she says “mom this will help you”. So even if kiri does not understand why her mother is so upset, she still empathizes and helps her, which in my opinion represents the start of healing the rift between them that came from neytiri threatening spider. Which is a very beautiful way to do it in my opinion
Beautiful moments. Thanks for sharing. My interpretation of the “mom this will help you” scene is that Tuk has had extensive diving practice. Neytiri never tries to learn the Metkayina ways, so in that instance she is disadvantaged and will need the breathing aid.
@@Geekritique That's something that gets me thinking big time over and over again. Why is it that we don't see Neytiri learn the Metkayina ways? What happened to Jake's words from when they arrive there and he tells them that they will adapt and learn their ways? And why does it even seem like the Metkayina even accept that? She doesn't even have and Ilu and seems to still only fly with her Ikran. I'm really curious if we'll get to see something about that in the next movie.
The visual dictionary gives us the answer, suggesting that she doesn’t try to become one of them, too stuck in their ways. Which is also why she doesn’t know how to hold her breath at the end of the film. This is another plot that appears to have been cut from the film.
Can't wait for the extended cut
Same here!
😭"bros and scouns" bro called us morons and i loved it i think its cool how avatar made ppl talk in Na'vi sometimes lol
Hahaha, glad someone caught that.
@@Geekritique lol I’ve searched the Na’vi language thing it’s pretty cool ngl
I watched this twice in theaters and it’s so good honestly. I watched it and then I came home and watched the first one and then went and watched the second again and I absolutely love it!!
That’s awesome, I’m happy you loved it so much!
I’ve seen it in 2d and 3d and now need to see the other two formats bc I never saw the first one in 3d and regret it to this day. And while I noticed some of these things I’m super glad to get the confirmation that it’s worth seeing all the formats 🥰
Yeah, I do think some formats are superior, but each has something to offer.
I really hope they make a third!! I’ll wait as long as I have to for it !
you had me at 5 times
Lmao 🤣
if anything happens to payakan in a3 i will haunt james cameron
Hi, I'm very interested in your analysis about the details of this movie. I also want to add some detail I sae after rewatching this movie:
1. Neteyams ikran has similar color to his mothers, the green ikran. Meanwhile, Lo'ak has similar ikran colour to Jake, green-blue color.
2. The time where Neteyam and Lo'ak got injured in the beginning, Neteyam got hurt quite badly that Jake has to carry him on his ikran. Maybe Neteyam can't ride his own at the moment. We see it when they get back to the fortess.
3. Neytiri wears Neteyams necklace at his funeral. Similar to Jake wears Tsu'teys necklace at the end of Avatar 1.
I'll add more if I see any 😆
Great points!!
Great video! Loved it
Thanks so much!
@Geekritique and the fact that every time Lo'ak was the reason that almost got him killed, and in the climax again it was Lo'ak who convinces him to go inside the ship for rescue fight that put a bullet in Neteyam for good...
A major part of Lo'ak's arc in the sequels along with replacing Jake Sully as a leader, will be his inner guilt that got his big bro killed and his struggle with the guilt...
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Conflicts between Lo'ak-Jake and Spider-Quaritch will be just like Cobra Kai where Lo'ak might start to relate more with the redeeming Quaritch and Spider relating to Jake with Lo'ak growing apart from him...
0:50 bet you didn't notice the CGI error here where her strap goes through her shoulder
Oh wow.
I've seen Avatar 2 six times and I love it 😍
Awesome!
Awesome movie in theaters in 3D only twice so far. I wish I had more time and I wish I still worked at the movie theater but with everything how money is I can't watch it as many times as I wish. I have my own theories of what is actually going to be happening in the series but I'll keep that to myself unless you want to know. One aspect that you said for an Eye for an eye that I think that you overlooked was when Quaritch actually said I owe you a death to Neytiri. I'm wondering if Jake and Neytiri could go back to visit Morat or not or if she will make an appearance in any of the next 1s? Also Corporal Lyle Wainfleet never did die in the movie so they could've had him save Quaritch instead of Spider.
Also Ronal was also keeping the Sully's at arm length as well. Neytiri also had a tuff time when they arrived to the Metkayina clan. I would've loved it to see her trouble to adapt to her new home.
Daaaaaang!! I've seen Avatar: The Way of Water 3 times so far, and I never noticed that 2 of the Sully kids only have 3 digits!!😳
I know! It’s insane.
@@Geekritique It IS!!!💙🩵💙
You mean 4 digits....
@@nicoleolinger7633 Yes, I meant 3 fingers and a thumb...
Also small detail! Native Na'vi like Neytiri have queues that are located at the top of their head, whereas avatars and the kids have queues located at the base/nape of their necks!
Nice little detail. thanks!
@@Geekritique Aw! Thank you! I love your videos!
I did notice a rubbery cgi ish you mentioned
I did miss some a little but i watch it for 4 times tomorrow is my 4 watch
Awesome! Enjoy it!
10:00 in the flash back Neteyam has 5 fingers, I wonder why that is. Was it just a mistake or was he supposed to have 5 fingers.
I'm not sure whether it's just a matter of opinion but I noticed some subtle hints that the Kernal may have a redemption arc ahead of him. Mostly from the looks on his face while carrying out some of his actions. Starting out with the village he burned down, as his son tells him what he is doing is wrong, the look he gives him to me seemed like he was going to say something, but then chose to say nothing...It's also the first time that he shows any restraint or consideration for the well being of a native Navi. In the past I don't think that he would have hesitated to shoot her, but I think the small interactions he has with Spider + seeing his team as Navi Avatars= The Kernal staring to see Navi as more human.
Then again when they are hunting the mother and baby whale I kept seeing his face look uncertain/disgusted. Part of it may be because of the chase causing lot of water to fly around, but I swear I still see him making similar expressions as they are extracting inside the whale when the chase is finished. Which to me suggests although it was his plan that he followed through on, that doing so up close and personal witnessing the carnage as it is drawn out starts to make him at least uncomfortable with possibly feeling of pity he has for causing the creature so much pain. He even asks at one point "Do they ever fight back?" which I'm sure is to highlight the peaceful nature of the creatures...but I also think it's meant to suggest that he wished it would fight back so that he wouldn't have to feel guilty killing it
I think it will happen, because he bonded with the flying creature. (Sorry, can’t remember what they’re called.) Now he’s in direct connection with Eywa and might, in a way, be able to feel the hurt he’s causing. If he bonds with something larger like one of the spirit trees he may start to see why Jake did what he did when he betrayed the RDA.
in this video i see that it already looks way better than it did in theater.
What country did you see it in?
You make good videos! 🙂
Thank you, Sylvain!
Love this movie ! Love it so so much
Me too!
i havent seen anyone mention kiri's pony tail threads are at the center of the heartbeating grass... this means something imo..
It definitely means something.
The best way to see this film is in HFR 3D in a Dbox seat - trust me. Once you've seen it that way you'll feel something is missing, like playing video-games without rumble feature enabled. Especially the sensation of floating through the water makes such a difference. My jaw dropped at times and I was giggling like an idiot - that's how immersed I was. Regular 3D is an absolute downgrade: flickery, dim and blurry. I hope Cameron will go full HFR for a rerun and the sequels.
I totally agree. Full HFR is the only way to do this in my opinion.
You've convinced me, im going to see it again lol.
Niiice! Enjoy!
I watched both avatar 1 and 2 for the first time last week, and I’ve watched the second one 7 times since then💀
It’s so good, isn’t it?
@@Geekritique so good😭🙏🏽
I see so many people hating on spider and I just can't understand why, I'm not happy with him saving Quaritch (because he's evil obviously) but it's such an understandable decision, spider is honestly my favorite character
Yeah, he’s awesome. I don’t get the hate either.
This is a comment to tell the algorythm of youtube that this video sould be supproted more
Thanks man! Appreciate the support.
When is black panther wakanda forever take place video coming out
Within a week or two of it dropping on Disney+
I haven't seen anyone mentioning the fire glowing tribe that Lo'ak see when playing with Payakan
Fire glowing?
I watched it for equivalent of 2 dollars in 2d in a cinema which is in my municipality bulidling
Oh nice. 2 dollars is excellent!
I saw it for the equivalent of 2 dollars in 3D HFR in my closest cinema. I live in Mexico and go to the movies is very cheap compared to any country. IMAX 3D HFR tickets costs like 5 dollars. It's expensive for us mexicans but for any foreign people is very cheap lol
@@edson_contreras damn thats insane
Dakota is the man!!
Vactor is the man!!
I have seen it 7 times 😍
You’re the real hero here.
@@Geekritique I love avatar 1 and 2 soooooo much i also have seen the 1st one 7 times 😍I don’t think I’m ok
You said it right.... "emotional hold"
Right?? It’s just. Like they feel like family.
@@Geekritique I know, everything about this movie is mind blowing.
Ah, to be one with nature again. I think the reason the Avatar films sell so well besides the revolutionary visuals is because of people's inner desire to return to a more simple basic life with nature.
6 going on 7... (3D in the front rows only way to go)
I saw the first avatar 5 times in Cinema x) as a father i didnt have the time to see it more than 2 times. I saw it in Imax both times.
Point on Spider: I also just think people are unfair.. its not very human to leave some one to die, even if they are a "jerk" - if you're a decent human being you dont just kill... and up to this point i havnt seen spider participate as a warrior in the war, so as far as i know.. he has never killed a person yet?
5 v. 4 fingers point - never noticed that.
I agree with you. It would have been wrong of him to leave the guy there without even trying to save him.
Gotcha beat. 8 times here.
Good stuff.
What about Cinemark XD 3D?
I haven’t seen it in that format sadly. Have you?
@@Geekritique I haven't, I saw it in IMAX 3D, but I might see it again in Cinemark XD 3D soon.
Let me know how that goes!
@@Geekritique I'll reply again if I do see it in Cinemark XD 3D!
I’ve barely managed to watch the film till the end in 3D. It was pain for my eyes.
And yet you’ve made it to my video. Congratulations. You’re one step closer to greatness.
Don't feel bad, I've watched it 4x...I think 😄 Twice in 3d imax, once in standard and once in Dolby.
It’s awesome, isn’t it??
@Geekritique Absolutely AMAZING! I'm trying to restrain myself from going one more time lol.
Atleast iam not the only one that watched it over 4 times
Nope, there are a bunch of us!
Spider was still a kid, and to be blamed for continuing the plot 😂. Jk. But yeah, he just wanted a place to belong.
Jake was at one point, at fault too. He chose war despite the council saying no.
Lo'ak was a reckless child and Payakan was too young to be alone and called an outcast
I could not comprehend it in 3D. Maybe that was just my glasses but the whole film was blurry and double exposed.
Might have been your glasses, may have been a bad copy of the film, or it may have been your seat. Idk, but I’m sorry that happened!
@@Geekritique I mean literally everyone else in the cinema was complaining about not being able to see with the glasses. Anyway I must see it again now
As of 5 Feb 2023. Avatar 2 is the 3rd highest gloss film of all time!!
Which is insane!
@@Geekritique hopefully it will overtake Avatar Endgame soon!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I never realised tuk and neteyam only had 4 total fingers
I know right! Next time you watch, be sure to look for that!
I seen it one time it was 3D :D
Nice!
oh no, this is definitely better than in 3D.
You’re definitely in the minority there.
@@Geekritique i have a 77'' oled tv.
come on now, that will definitely be beautiful enough.
What I don't understand is how Loak is able to speak with his whale boo?
I think just familiarity and spending time with Payakan.
Jake and the kids (Lo’ak and Tuk) all have five fingers on their hands. They are also the only ones with eyebrows.
Great point! Forgot to mention that.
@@Geekritique A very small detail. Great video! My favorite franchise.
Lmao how did you miss the arm for an arm parallel until the 4th time it’s so obvious they focus on it directly
Lmao I’m so dumb I swear 💀
Watch it in 4dx!
I have to!!
👍🏾
I watched the movie in 3D in my local cinema and struggled immensely with the quality. Not only I haven't been to 3D screening for years, I'm also not a native english speaker and subtitles were more often than not doubled by the glasses - with this movie and how 3D effect is where the camera focuses, subtitles had to jump around the screen to be in focus with the characters every time. Sometimes there was no space for it - and reading the text was unbearable. If I had the option I'd see it again, in 2D and in just original sound.
I’m sorry to hear that. I hadn’t considered how it would play out for foreign viewers. 2D is probably better in that case.
@@Geekritique Yeah, definetely. Because even if you're able to listen to the dialogue without reading the subtitles, they are there and draw attention
Avatars and hybrids have eyebrows!
Nice catch.
Not Neteyam and Tuk.
Spider will never replace Neteyam. There is no sin for a son with the sullys. Neteyri and Jacke only have 4 kids. Tuk, Lo’ak, Neteyam and kiri
Jake says “a son for a son.”
@@Geekritique yes it was a typo. but still spider betrayed tye sullys. the sullys stick together. even when quartich pulled his knife at loak. loak didn't fold. had spider not folded and kept loyal to the navi a lot of navi would not have died.spider will never be a son. he gives his life for neteyam