The MCU Timeline Book - A Brutally Honest Review & Breakdown
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- Marvel Studios: The Marvel Cinematic Universe - An Official Timeline is here, and I’ve read through it from cover to cover to bring you the best possible and longest possible review I could come up with. I break down the good, the bad, and the nonsensical placements in this review/rant about the MCU Timeline book.
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0:00 Welcome to Geekritique
3:38 What is the MCU Timeline book?
8:39 What did I like, respect, or think could have been better?
14:04 What I actively disliked about this book!
19:32 Reacting to the changes to the MCU Timeline… - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Your timeline is the only thing that saves my understanding of the MCU, there's so much being released lately that it's difficult to understand the chronology and those responsible don't seem to be able to do the job or don't seem to care, I'm glad there are people like you, true fans who are dedicated to cleaning up all this mess. Thank you for that.
I’ll continue to clean it up! Thanks for the kind words.
Hey Dakota I know you’ve probably read it a few times by now, but I really hope you keep your own version of the mcu- Timeline. I totally understand if you’re tired of making an effort, to clean up someone’s else’s mess but that’s the exact reason I respected your work from the very first Video I saw of you. The amount of love and dedication you’ve been putting in over the last years is definitely worth keeping. I also think that the clear-cut logic we as fans and especially you use, is absolutely more fitting than the opinion of someone that doesn’t care as much about it, as we do. For them it’s probably just a job for us its actual passion. However, I respect your choice if u want to spend your energy on other things.
These comments are all actually very touching. Thanks for letting me know you want me to continue what I do.
I completely agree! Keep up the great work Dakota. You are the real Timeline Keeper! (Geekritique Who Remains)
Regarding the “6 months later” in Iron Man 2: It’s worth noting that this book is written from the perspective of a TVA agent, so *non-diagetic* info is omitted! This is clever because titles cards are things that only we, as audience, see. In-universe they don’t exist so they don’t have to reference them.
The 6-month line is also expressed verbally via Justin Hammer in the court hearing.
@@Geekritique I totally forgot about that! thank you
@kamozerozero No worries, it’s all good.
PLEASE DON'T CHANGE YOUR PLACEMENTS BECAUSE OF WHAT SOME STUPID PEOPLE WHO DON'T LOVE TIMELINES SAID!!!!!!!!! YOUR EFFORTS ARE A LABOR OF LOVE AND YOU SHOULD NEVER GIVE UP ON SOMETHING YOU LOVE. Please keep your placements. YOUR placements are the correct ones, no matter what these non-caring people say. Your MCU timeline graphic is exactly that, YOURS! Keep it yours by keep your correct placements. Many will be severely disappointed on you if you submit to the wrongful "official timeline." The fans are the ones who enjoy and love your work, marvel just gives us the movies. They can't keep retconning stuff and saying what is when it clearly isn't. All of your present subscribers and future subscribers implore you: don't EVER change your placements because of a stupid book full of mistakes. Keep your placements which are the correct ones and backed by evidence. I love you and your work. it's beautiful.
You make some strong points. Thank you for supporting my channel and caring about the work I put in.
I agree, your timeline videos are so tight. They way the films are not broken up to give you a viewing order for the MCU.
@markross831 Thanks Mark
PERIOD
@@Geekritique for IRON MAN 3 being in 2013 gives Tony more time to make all 35 suits & the prelude also includes new Year's Day 2000.
I’ve noticed a few people mention this, but I definitely agree that, although it’s hard to keep having the timeline be messed up by Marvel and you have to clean up their mess. Your version will always be superior and what a lot of consider as the more accurate timeline. The work you’ve put in is outstanding and we all thank you for it. Please don’t add this “official” timeline to your work, you’re doing amazing!
Thanks Brendyn, I’ll keep making sure the D+ timeline stays in check.
Hi Dakota, just a quick message to say that your work is colossal, I've been following your content for 1 year now and I'm really admiring what you've built over the years
I obviously understand and respect why you'd want to change your timeline following the "official" one, but I hope you'll continue with the one you've been building all this time
All the best 🙏
Colossal, thank you! That’s a first haha. I appreciate that, and I’m thinking I might want to continue with my vids the way I’m doing them!
Just finished to whole video, I agree that the people who wrote the book is not the right person for the job. It's like they did those cause they got paid for it, and we have guys like you who could do it better simply cause of love to the MCU
I don’t think they aren’t fans, cause it’s obvious they are. They just weren’t familiar with mapping this timeline and think they needed someone on their team to help them out.
I honestly hope you keep your own timeline, the official one doesn't really need to be followed to a tee. We'll always know that fans like yourself will always know what they're talking about over anything official.
I hope you don't feel super bad about it or anything. The official timelines that they've made in the past have always been incorrect in many ways, and personally I've never followed any of them to begin with.
I had high hopes for the book, but that’s kind of been dashed now. I’ll be keeping my timeline, don’t worry.
This is WONDERFULLY done. I feel your pain. Not all of it, for I don't had "time" to spend on "fighting city hall", but props to you and your valiant struggle.
I love how you kept it serious and thoughtful, instead of going FULL rant. A lesser person would have just gone full rant.
I also, am holding out hope...that some day in the future, they will come to their senses and just HIRE you for the job. You are definitely passionate for this type of material...and having someone (like yourself) involved in the beginning...would then provide a better after action reporting when things shuffle because of REAL world problems and the shuffling of shows and release dates.
Thank you, again...for all the hard work that went into this video and ultimately your MCUTimeline, which to me and my family IS the canonical timeline for the MCU, book and Disney+ timelines be damned.
This was done with love and dedication...and the world is a better place, because people like you care about the minutia that is otherwise overlooks by the peopl making these films and TV series.
As always, have a wonderful day...and keep up the fight (for us and for the truth of correct placement) for the MCU that we all love.
I’m so happy that you appreciate the video. I knew you would appreciate a good review, but I’m always glad to see your comments.
I hope to work in this field in a bigger capacity in the future. I just wish this book hadn’t come out before then ugh 😩
I didn’t want to fully hate on the book. It’s not all basic and there’s quite a bit of good in it. But alas. Had to vent near the end.
@@Geekritique - a future employer will see the dedication and your ability to roll with the punches. As an outsider, it seems a "no brainer" to want a fan to do this type of job. That is why Apple (an a LOT of tech companies) hire former hackers, to beef up their security systems. These are dedicated people with a single purpose. I don't understand why Marvel doesn't already employ at least one, if not a team of people to do this type of stuff. To me, it just doesn't make sense. I do hope that this will translate to a great job, some day. When that happens, don't forget us. Okay?
@grafffuller3265 I’ll never forget you or the community, don’t you worry.
Thanks for the video and your honesty. I have a few comments:
1. The 6 months later announcement in Iron Man 2 has never been a problem with me because it works regardless. It is either 6 months after Tony's speech (original intention ) but it can also be 6 months after Vanko smile like a maniac because he has finally a working arc reactor ( current canon retcon).
2. I hate the 2010 placement of Fury's big week. Sure 2011 means Vanko had to work 3 years to make his reactor and not 2 like the book suggest, but honestly it is believable with him doing it with very little. 2010 makes all the time clues in the first avenger movie wrong, and I don't see the value in doing that.
3. I understand why you will not challenge the book and make your timeline work with it but hopefully you will reconsider. If even you follow along, than the good fight of a better MCU continuity and D+ timeline is already lost. You offer a well researched alternative and you are always open to adjust base on new info, retcon or content. That being said, I will respect your choice either way.
Excellent comment. I appreciate it tremendously. I think I will reconsider scrapping my timeline for this, and just continue doing what I’m doing now: providing a solid alternative.
so the person they hired isnt in charge of the disney+ timeline placement, but they did help write this book based on the disney+ timeline
i love your videos bc you give full depth evidence on your placements and make sure each timeline placement fits in a very pleasing order to watch.
i really wish they wouldve just hired you for the position bc the person they have now is SEVERLY slacking
That’s correct, DK Books just hired some writers to pen a book. And they used what they assumed was the official timeline. I wish they had hired me as well 😔
@@Geekritique honestly I think they just “hired” someone as just a way to calm fans down who said phase 4 didn’t connect. Just lip service
Bruh it’s Loki messing with the Loom!
Son of a… frost giant
Thor being with the Guardians for two years makes so little sense on so many levels💀
I know it’s so unrealistic 🤣
Dakota, I was really looking forward to your review, and it did not disappoint! I hope maybe the writers or the executives in charge of the book or whoever gets to watch this and think again. If corrections were made before and with the release of the book, they surely can be made after, right?
I don't really know why I've hyperfixated on the MCU timeline for so long, but still, it must be less time than what you've been dedicating it. And I truly admire that! So, that's why I look up to you and expected you to be as disappointed as I am with the timeline this book presents.
To not make this comment way too long, I will say that I can understand why they went with seasons (although the book would've benefitted from month placements), I can understand not including Marvel TV, I can understand lumping together several titles, I can get behind the placements for Moon Knight, Werewolf by Night, Ant-Man, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, She-Hulk, even Eternals, and I'm willing to adjust my timeline to fit those, but Iron Man 3 and Thor: Love and Thunder just don't make any sense at all in December 2013 and October 2025 🤦♂️ and I will chose to ignore those!
I’m glad you enjoy my videos dude, thank you for the kind words. I agree, Iron Man 3 and Thor: Love and Thunder are the worst haha.
Please don’t quit your timeline. All the people who REALLY care about the timeline look to you. This corporate book means so much less than your carefully woven timeline. Please don’t turn your timeline into the less accurate “official MCU timeline” because the Geekritique MCU timeline is better, and more important to us geeks.
Dakota, you are the one that has the official MCU Timeline in your hands. As you mentioned, the people in charge of that book did not care enough for the chronology of the movies as much as you do. Regardless of what the book says, I will still looking forward to your timeline reviews, because your timeline placement is precise and that book is full of tons of mistakes to even be considered “official” or “correct”. They should have done something good or not doing anything at all, so to this date, you still being the one having everything 100% right. Looking forward to your Loki season 2 video!!!
Thanks so much for being a fan of my work. More videos soon!
You ARE the canon timeline to us. Given that im a month late to this, im sure youve heard it thousands of times, but your work has genuinely been a huge help for me. Not in the sense of chronology, although that does help, but mentally. In the time since i first discovered your channel, ive been cataloging my own interpretation of the timeline, and comparing it with yours. This provided a major sense of security and consistency for me when i had nobody to talk to. Im not entirely sure it makes sense, but ive always enjoyed sorting things into an order as a form of escapism, and this timeline has always been the greatest one for me even before infinity war came out. Please keep doing what youre doing. It helps people more than you could imagine 💙
Love this comment. I’ll be back into the Marvel game soon enough. Just gotta get some side quests out of the way.
@@Geekritique glad to hear it :)
Take as much time as you need o7
I actually don't really care about canon if it's gonna be that problematic, and choose to consume the products according to headcanon.
That being said, you are my absolute hero. Really. As a person with some OCD behaviors, I feel the need for things to make sense in order to enjoy them, and your timeline makes the most sense of any others. I'm actually in the middle of my yearly MCU marathon, and since I discovered your channel, there's no other way to do it if it's not according to your timeline.
I know it feels frustrating knowing they don't care enough, but you do. Please don't change your timeline, and keep up the excellent work for us fans that care for this stories.
(Sorry if my English isn't the best :p)
Your English is as good or better than some English speakers I know, don’t beat yourself up. Thanks for the comment. I don’t have any diagnosed OCD, but I’ve definitely got issues haha, but they’ve manifested in my hobby here on CZcams. Glad you enjoy the videos, and I can’t wait to make more.
I wish that this book had included content from Marvel TV as well as Marvel Studios. Seeing projects like Daredevil, Agent Carter, and Agents of SHIELD alongside the MCU films and “shows” would have been immensely gratifying. I also wish that this book included sections on “branched timelines” - aka sections on non-MCU multiverse films and shows. Imagine if there was a spread after Endgame that showed the branched timelines seen in Loki that included and dated every non-MCU project - Spider-Man, X-Men, cartoons/animated series, and even obscure ones like Man-Thing or Dr. Strange 1979.
Please keep your timeline placements for future videos and your timeline graphic! The placements make so much more sense overall. I’d recommend making an additional amended version of the timeline graphic with the official canon timeline for people who want to view it that way, but the whole point of using your timeline is to have something better and different than just looking at Disney+, so please keep your existing timeline intact!
This is a good idea, to make a separate timeline. Could be a great way to highlight the differences. Thanks for the comment.
Dakota, I really love your work, and I would love to keep seeing you fight against what this book displays as the timeline. Your effort over the years does not go unnoticed, we love it!
Also, if I'm ever working on a fictional Universe, I'll make sure to make such a coherrent timeline that it's impossible to mess it up
Lolll, I’m excited to see what you come up with for a fictional universe. Thanks for the kind words, I’m glad my stuff doesn’t go unnoticed.
real ones know this video is worth more than gold. this channel and the work you guys all did is the only real rebuttal to the book.
Very happy you feel my vids have value. Thank you!
Thor being 1500 years old but being a baby in 695 CE is an easy-to-solve retcon: Taika Waititi is an idiot.
Everyone's already said it, but please, PLEASE don't change your timeline to suit this new book. When placing a show like Moon Knight, it is so, SO much more interesting and thoughtful to the showmakers to say "We observed the changes in the phases of the moon to determine that it must take place in this exact week in the future" rather than "some guy in a book with dozens of inconsistencies and mistakes said it happens around here".
so if you make the timeline 8.0 video, are you going to use the book? or stick with your placements… bc yours make more sense
Still debating it to be honest. As much as mine makes sense… this is now canon.
@@Geekritique oh….. that’s true… yikes
@@Geekritiquewhat if u make 2. The "canon" version and the "true" version. Cuz ur timeline flows better
The Fury’s Big Week section bothered me the most because it has placements that are just impossible. It has the end scene of Iron Man 2 placed full pages before The Incredible Hulk’s Culver University battle, despite footage from that battle clearly seen on a screen when Tony meets with Fury
I noticed that too. So annoying lol.
I've mentioned this on your Moon Knight timeline video, but the only "discrepancy" you had with the book that I think was on the money is Moon Knight. Using the same days you laid out in your video, but shifting the show to begin on April 24th and going into May, you get the exact same results when following the moon phases. That said, I also took no stock in the statements made about a cut reference to Gorr originally being in the show. With it being cut, it's now inconsequential and does not require Moon Knight to orbit Thor: Love & Thunder's events, which I 100% agree should take place the year prior.
That all said, I'm not letting the book stop me from following the timeline I, too, have put so much care and research into, and I'm not even monetized. LOL! But, seriously- - It's clear that this was just an attempt to shut us up, but it's not only inconsistent within its own context, but its presentation is also inconsistent. Feige says in the forward that the book contains "everything" while Miss Minutes turns around and says it doesn't. You get to the Werewolf by Night entry and she mentions that, because it's an event involving magic, that the placement might shift, so even though it's a "Official Timeline" they kill their credibility with the wishy-washiness. Like you said, it's like they're not willing to commit to placements, sometimes. And, of course, this probably won't be their only timeline book and, like you said, hopefully they'll go back and fix some stuff in new editions... But, I think it's still worth keeping your timeline and piecing the MCU together despite this book existing. People are gonna argue the timeline either way, but at least you built yours out of love and care.
This thing just reads like a justification for why Disney shouldn't pay someone to fix the timeline on their streaming service.
Please don't change your timeline. You put more love & thought into these timeline videos, then this person did. You go the extra mile to put these titles at a precise date & i appreciate it! I trust your judgment on these places & makes it easier for fans like myself who wanna marathon these titles in chronological order and get a better viewing experience. Always look forward when a new title drops, to find out where your big brain fits it on this big old timeline & add it to the list in chronological order. Besides, how many people go out of there way to place the more obscure titles & the Marvel TV shows within the timeline? Really appreciate it. Really think marvel should be calling you on this, to sort this out! Keep up the good work man! Much love to you! 😊👍💙
good video, bro. Happy Thanksgiving to you and Imogen.
Thanks Joe, enjoy your weekend.
Every week I look at your channel and see if there is anything new. I'm really excited to see how you'll continue. I hope it continues, because only your timeline is the only true one. thank you for your content.
If you’re interested, I keep everyone pretty up to date on my projects over on Twitter. Otherwise, I fully plan to return to making MCU projects, just taking a break. Also? Using my MCU break to tackle other timelines I’ve been meaning to for a while. Next up is the Monsterverse (Godzilla/Kong/etc.)
Great breakdown, shame they’ve been so inconsistent but if they clearly don’t care enough to keep track of events the way they are presented you shouldn’t change your timeline and keep it to reflect a more accurate course of events. Appreciate all the work you do keep it up!
That’s great rationale. Thanks for the comment, and glad you liked the breakdown.
Hi Dakota! I just want to tell you that I don´t think that you need to adjust your timeline to the MCU book. I think that a lot of people have you as THE confident source to try to give this universe (and lately multiverse) a sense of continuity. I really see how passionate you are with this timeline for the past years and is infuriating seeing that they didn´t put the enough effort to make a good book. Your work is truly awesome (and also the one that the fans on the Wiki page do) 'cause it really demostrates how you care about all this stuff. I know that is a fight that sometimes seems pointless but we really see the love, work and effort you put into these videos and I really hope that you can keep working on your own timeline that, I personally, think is the best!
Maybe you can do a version of the book timeline for your patreon tho (?
Thank you man, my work isn’t going anywhere. I’ll consider making a new book version of the timeline for Patreon however.
Great video, informative and impassioned. I'm glad to support you here and on Patreon, and I hope you will keep up the fight to have a correct timeline. Looking forward to your next video.
Thank you Dan! You’re our longest-continuous patron, and we are so grateful for all your contributions, both monetary and comments here on YT.
i love ur videos of the mcu timeline and i think imo that if u find proof on where stuff is located that contradicts the "offical" timeline then do it bc u care more then the people who made the book and from everything i've seen in ur videos it makes more sense especially when u red it and there r major plot holes in the timeline bc ever since i found ur videos on 7.0 timeline that is how i've been watching the order of events while i'm watching the mcu to this date but whatever u decide to do will still support on ur placement
Thanks so much. I really appreciate this comment.
Wonderful video! Banger after banger with you! I understand the mentality of "why should I keep trying to help if they're just gonna keep making it difficult?" but please bear in mind that your uphill battle is not for nothing. I, and many of my friends, ignore the Disney+ timeline and even the book and say that your timeline is the canon timeline. It's full of thought, love and understanding that many studios don't consider when making films and it would be a shame to see such a hardcore fan like yourself bend to the brain dead mouse company. We support any decision you make but you've already made some strong arguments against what the book presents. If you feel comfortable shuffling some things around, go for it, I love rearranging and sorting my MCU Blu Ray colllection but don't lose sight of this wonderful project you've worked so hard to make.
Super glad you enjoyed the video. And to hear that you and others consider my timeline the closest to a coherent timeline. You’re right, the fight isn’t worthless. I’m gonna keep pushing forward.
Now that marvel said that the shows before disney plus are considered as alternate timelines, will you be updating your timeline vid to have extra timelines like the spiderman movies or will it be kept in the sacred timeline
Hopefully you don't ditch the idea of making better sense of the timeline. I've been using your videos as a watch guide for a while now. I really appreciate it.
Being that there will be a long break of new releases between Echo and Deadpool, will you be doing another full timeline video including multiverse titles?
Please don’t give up on your own timeline. Ever since I started watching your videos, I’ve considered your timeline as the true timeline. Everything you say makes sense and the evidence you give support your conclusion. What evidence does Disney have in their timeline? Not nearly as much or as strong as yours. Don’t give up just because a committee put a few titles in order to get a paycheck. Stay strong 💪! Your work is a labor of love and for all it’s worth, you’re the only real reason I care for the mcu at this point anymore. Your timeline > Disney’s timeline
One of the reasons why I loved the Star Wars book so much was because of how much it included and it was fun seeing all the various material together side by side. I do think it was a missed opportunity to not include the marvel television shows in the book for that same reason. Being able to see shows like Shield or Daredevil next to the movies would have made for a better and more interesting book I think
100%, the book would be so so much better!
Lovely work as always - one note for 23:40 ish - in my timeline, I have Doctor Strange ending in Jan, 2017. So the book's placement could have merit. Just a thought- what do you think?
I’m not suggesting it can’t take place in 2017, just that I don’t think it’s necessary to edge into 2017 in that film. But yeah, Jan 2017 works.
As a man who enjoys Marvel TV shows, I'm just sad that they don't include them on Sacred Timeline. Lowkey hates Feige now 😅
It upsets me too.
The biggest issue Is when movies get re shot or re written or re edited... dates get pushed and moved around lol. With Phase 4 having movies and shows (18 projects in 2 years) things get over looked or not communicated... Marvel needs to go to 4 or 5 projects tops per year. Maybe 3 movies 2 shows. Possibly a Holliday special, but Phase 4 being 18 projects in 2 years is crazy
For me i have no issues with Iron Man 3 in December 2013, as that is actually where i placed it sometimes during some MCU timeline order rewatches i did and for those fans that consider the Marvel TV stuff as canon, moving Iron Man 3 by a year actually benefits them, cause one of the problems that came from the Netflixverse and Runaways is that they made comments about Obama being president, which unless you say Obama served his term alot earlier, wouldn't work as Ellis would have been the President during Obama's term, but if one places IM3 in 2013 that solves it as now Obama would have served his first term from 2009-2012 and Ellis would've won in 2012 elections. Only issues (other than the 1999 + 13 years later thing) that come with that are some comments from Killian that imply Ellis was the guy in charge for a little while, but one can find ways to work that around.
That’s a good point, at least in favor of the Marvel TV stuff. I hadn’t considered that.
I wasn’t planning on watching this entire video tonight, but I just couldn’t stop watching. Really great video, maybe your best yet. I’m not saying you should abandon your timeline, but I would like to see a version of the timeline presented in the book in your Geekritique graphic style. It was shocking to me that they didn’t address the “6 months later”. Now that we have an official statement that Marvel Television isn’t 616 canon, I would like Marvel to explain if the marvel comics multiverse is separate from the movies multiverse. Really confusing since Across the Spider-Verse came out. Anyway thanks for the videos!!!!! I can’t wait for the completed DCEU timeline
This is actually very cool. I knew what I had to say was important to get off my chest. I just hadn’t realized it would turn into such a compelling video. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I’ve got some ideas cooked up as to what I can do with their timeline in my style, don’t worry.
I really hope you don't change your timeline. Yours feels the most logical to me. It is the reason I've followed your channel for yrs now. 😊
Marvel Television should’ve been on here, they missed like half the MCU, I was looking for Kang in the index, and then I realised that it was only till Phase Four.
Yup, they cut the line at Phase 4. Marvel TV def deserved to be included.
@@Geekritique There are also tons of comics that are officially MCU canon, we should have been in the book according to it’s marketing of everything in the MVU even if it was only mentioned.
@anaylabh7106 I think it’s a simple matter or “Marvel Studios didn’t make it, we’re not including it.”
@@GeekritiqueYour timeline is great. For your next timeline can you put the Marvel TV stuff one the same line as Marvel Studio’s stuff for all the TV fans.
Great, honest review.
I bought this on kindle and agree with most of your points. It's a large book, but still manages to exclude a lot of timeline events/notes.
My expectations were that it would want to line up with how Disney+ has the content lined up, so I get your disappointment.
I personally prefer your timeline ordering to the book's so it would be sad to see you change your to fit the book's. I see the book as an 'expanded' explanation of their Disney+ time order (which we've known for a while has glaring errors), so I guess I don't see this as an issue.
ie: I think it's still completely valid to keep your timeline and adding to it while acknowledging Marvel has their own "official" timeline.
When I watch chronologically - I don't use the Disney+ ordering anyway.
did they agnowladge events of previous spiderman movies at all considering caracthers from them apear and reference said events in far from home?
No, they’re not mentioned at all.
@@Geekritique thats sad
Apparently a Marvel Executive has came out recently to state that The Defenders series are now canon to the sacred timeline specifically, in an interview relating to the "Echo" series. From what little footage I've seen from the show, Matt does seem to be wearing the exact same suit as in his titular series.
I'd love to see new videos breaking down the exact timeline placement of each of The Defenders series in a sort of recap leading into Marvel Spotlight
That would take months to accomplish, with the types of vids I make, but yes. Brad Winderbaum considers them canon.
@@Geekritique On that topic, your hard work definitely shows. I have a spreadsheet I've made for my family as an MCU/multiverse watch order, and your videos have been instrumental in making sense of the timeline, with phase 4 obviously being particularly egregious.
Have you put any thought towards placements (in the same vain as Venom, Maguire, and Garfield universes) of the X-Men timeline(s) in the leadup to Deadpool 3?
@robertwilson8184 That makes me so glad to hear! Thanks for enjoying my content.
I’ve given it some thought, but I’d really need to make a project out of it to really give my two cents.
As a Marvel Television die-hard, my favorite thing about this book (not) is how Feige doubles down in the foreword that anything not listed in the book takes place in the larger Multiverse. But then the actual book itself through Miss Minutes straight up says NOT EVERY PIECE OF CANON IS LISTED IN THE BOOK. Like, stop yanking our chains around. 🙄
The way I interpret that, considering this is Miss Minutes discussing events from a TVA perspective, is that there are events that she knows about in the the future that haven’t been unveiled in the book (Phase 5 & beyond).
@@Geekritique that’s a fair enough point. But because of the fact that there are canon entries from before Phase 5 that we know are missing from the book (Thor’s Hammer, WHIH Newsfront, Daily Bugle, Agent Carter the series, Daredevil the series), it’s a nebulous stance for Miss Minutes to take. And it’s unfair to fans of those series to not take a firm stance. Just put all those shows in a branch if it’s necessary. 🤦🏽♂️
@WhiteRaven696 Oh, I totally agree, that’s a fair point as well.
Dakota, I've been a huge fan of the channel for a while now so I plead PLEASE DON'T alter your current timeline to fit with their erroneous one! Yours is clearly more well thought out and research and it's always such a joy seeing where the next title will be placed. I especially love your timeline in particular cause it'll be what I'll be using when I inevitably do my MCU chronological rewatch in a few years before Secret Wars! And I know you want to go on break which is perfectly fine but please never stop with the MCU timeline content, it's always clearly a labor of love and dedication and that passion shines through with every single video!
Thanks for the kind words bro, I think I’ve decided not to change my timeline to fit the dumb placements in the end. Appreciate you coming back to watch my content after all this time!
Dakota, do not give up on your chronology for the mcu. It is much better than the official timeline. You've spent so long with each added entry trying to discern when it takes place. Changing your timeline now would be giving in. Maybe your timeline is correct and disney plus is correct through some Kang meddling, thats always what I've thought. That the order you have is the intended way, but by manufacturing a sacred timeline, certain events got flipped around. And through this, the TVA is forcing it to work out because somehow this order of events puts away the kang variants from coming to be. Do not give in and change the timeline, maybe someday yours will truly reign supreme or maybe marvel will update it once again
Alright alright, I won’t give up! Thanks for the comment.
Great video!
Thanks James!
If someone starts a petition for you to be the official time line keeper, I would sign asap
You're an absolute saint for doing this. My thoughts on your thoughts:
--Considering how easy it is to become a "professional critic" these days (some of the Tomatometer reviews for The Marvels came from the sketchiest sites out there!), the only reason I can think of for them not sending you an advance copy is that _they know who you are & that you're better at this than they are._
--I can't accept that they're tossing out Daredevil when we know certain details about Hawkeye & She-Hulk, as well as [very serious spoilers about Echo & Born Again that I won't type here].
--The fact that actual Marvel Studios productions (A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer, WHiH Newsfront) & co-productions (ABC's Agent Carter, The Daily Bugle) were omitted also felt lazy & came across as contradictory to the idea that this contains "everything" in the canonical timeline. In fact, even the Miss Minutes introduction saying "this might not be everything" was contradictory to Feige's foreword.
--I thought the mini-timeline pages were distracting & felt unnecessary, especially the Eternals one near the beginning of the book. And I agree, the Battle of New York one was especially awful (WHY IS IT A CIRCLE!?).
--"Lilliputian" is an apropos word for young adults; Gulliver's Travels is read in high schools.
--"A Funny Thing" may be a very short minor event, but "The Consultant" is an even _shorter_ &...um... _minorer_ event, yet it got its own paragraph & placement dot.
--That solemn drink at 19:31 told me everything. Brilliant filmmaking moment.
--We've talked about the IM3 change before. We've agreed about the IM3 change before. Just let it be on the record for anyone else that, in addition to it being poor chronology, I also think the change weakens both Tony's & Pepper's character development.
--Fall 2024 for Eternals may throw off Ajak's line, but it at least makes way the hell more sense than the _spring_ 2024 date the writers were trying to sell us previously.
--The fact that they didn't fix the D+ placement for Shang-Chi until the book was released also tells us that _Marvel does not directly influence the D+ timeline,_ because if they did, they could've had that fixed at the same time they told the book's authors about it.
--Please keep up the good work you've been doing. Somebody needs to be doing this right, & nobody ever believes me when I try doing it.
My other thoughts on the book:
--I finally FOUND a copy for the first time literally this morning while out Black Friday shopping with my in-laws. I couldn't find it in a bookstore or a comic shop; I found it in the middle of a special sale table at Sam's Club. My wife kept her parents busy while I skimmed about 1/3 of the book. Didn't buy it; there was no price reduction.
--That they kept using "The Distant Past" cop-out dates even *after* a concrete BCE year was first used came across as incredibly lazy.
Thanks for the commentary. Can’t comment on everything but I agree on most! I do believe that the D+ timeline is outlined by Marvel. Based on interviews with the authors, Marvel wasn’t super involved in this project, and all the timeline choices were their own. So Shang-Chi placement was something the writers came up with, and Marvel signed off on it, so they moved it on D+ too.
One reason I like the idea of splitting She-Hulk over 2024 and 2025 is because of episode 4 implying that Wong believes the Book of Vishanti still exists, but episode 8 shows that the Steve Rogers Musical has made its way to California. The former doesn't make sense after the November 2024 Multiverse of Madness, but the latter doesn't really make sense at any point before 2025. Of course the book doesn't follow this logic precisely, but the idea of splitting the timing of the season at some point does help with that continuity issue.
Are you going to do Loki S2 next for a timeline placement.
Super easy: Almost all of it takes place either outside of time in the TVA facility, or in branch timelines. Narratively, it goes immediately after season 1, except for the epilogue which is "after" Quantumania.
Hey Dakota. Just wanted to say as a fellow long time follower of the MCU timeline that I feel your pain. Ive enjoyed your videos for a long time now and would be saddened to either see you stop making MCU content or change any of your dates on the timeline just because of a poorly written book. Keep up the good work. BTW no agents of shield or netflix in this book still hurts!!!
I knooow, the ignoring of those series is such a gut punch. Thanks man, I’ll be making more MCU content for sure.
You asked me to bring these up when they happen so, I have no idea what "succinct" means and am gonna have to look it up later probably.
Loving the video, by the way!
Verbose is another one, I'm assuming it means unnecessarily wordy?
And as you can probably assume, I didn't catch a single word from the ones you list at 11:37 😂
I love these haha. Succinct means using just enough wording to get the point across, and verbose is the opposite.
@prettymuchanobody6562 🤣
There's a surprising number of new words for me in this video, pervasive is another one
Iron Man 2- "Six months later" refers to Vanko's flashback, and he was watching footage that might have been pre-recorded. Or as another commenter stated, six months after however much time it took Vanko to build his suit.
Thor Love and Thunder- Korg is telling the story in October, that's why it's placed there and not in spring (and why the movie was so bad)
But yeah, they don't care. In general there are so many contradictions that they actually couldn't make a 100% accurate timeline, though (and it's probably my own cynicism saying this, seeing the state of Marvel post-Endgame, but maybe not) half the time they probably just flipped a coin. You obviously care more than Marvel does though, so while it is discouraging to see how little effort they put in, don't let that keep you from building your own timeline. There's a reason fanfiction is a thing, after all!
Well, the 6 months line pertaining to Vanko is an idea I postulated years back, but I don’t think it works with Justin Hammer’s comments on the time period. As for the Korg thing, that’s never been confirmed. Just a fan theory.
You’re def right about fan fiction though. I’m gonna start treating my work as more in line with fan fiction.
Oh boy. Great review Dakota. Some placements are truly horrific, like Iron Man 3, Eternals, and Love and Thunder.
I have no problem with Phase 1, She-Hulk's origin, Moon Knight, and wouldja look at that? Werewolf By Night is on Halloween, like I originally proposed. Not gloating about this though, keep analysing future MCU projects for placements, until hopefully a vol. 2 comes out and rectifies mistakes.
Miss Minutes not popping up for some errors is annoying, and she doesn't even fix Vulture saying "8 years", just saying that a TVA analyst maybe "misplaced" a file.
Unfortunately, the Wiki (I'm part of the Timeline Team) have changed their placements...Iron Man 3 in 2013, Eternals in 2024, LaT in 2025, the Falcon and the Winter Soldier finale after FFH, there's no sense to disregard the book and Disney+ now. Sad.
I didn’t realize you were part of the timeline team, very cool. I’ll say that I understand why the Timeline Team is choosing to cede to the book, and I’m not sure if I’ll do the same.
For me, "6 months later" in Iron Man 2 is after Whiplash finally finished crafting and perfecting his weapons, which obviously took a while.
That only works if you ignore the 6-months ago line from Justin Hammer early in the film though. But I can subscribe to that theory. My issue isn’t that it’s not 6 months later in the book, but that they don’t make mention of it with Miss Minutes.
Hey man i know you want to stick to this book’s timeline for future videos because it is canon. But to me and many others your timeline is the canon one. Please stick to your timeline because we need to keep dedication to what the MCU Timeline is and not what they want it to be.
Thanks for saying this, I’ll take that into consideration.
Man, im excited for the monsterverse timeline, since I wanna know whats canon or not, since im a big fan and wanna know more of the universe and more with the new empire trailer
My sympathies dude. I’m not as passionate about timeline placement but I definitely get this way whenever newer writers and directors mischaracterize characters or approach them with the wrong mindset. I’ve been over analyzing every second of this character’s screen appearances for over a decade now and have read and written in depth analysis of their behavior based on quotes from the original writers/director/actor, I do in fact know more than you. This is just a job for some of them. They should hire obsessive fans to get their facts straight.
I FEEL this. Good point, I strongly agree. Fans are always gonna know more than the average writer sadly.
I can relate on not wanting to "fight" the Official Timeline in the future and move on. I mean, it doesn't make sense but it's official.
For this reason, I'll try to stay more rational and exclude emotional considerations.
To me, the point is: if the official timeline wants to be "official", at least it has to be internally consistent (which it isn't, you provided a lot of cases) and conclusive (Shang-Chi proves this is not the case).
So, I accept this book as "MCU Official Timeline, Ver. 1" that clearly has to be fixed and updated, if Marvel cares. Disney+ placements were the most "word of god" things we had and then this book disproved it. Who knows what the next update will look like, maybe it will resemble more like your timeline.
What I'm trying to say is that you can't deem your work useless in front of something that's clearly not definitive. So I get the frustration and the feeling of wasting your time, but if you want to keep it rational (and just a bit emotional), this is not the endgame 😉
Thanks for the comment. I definitely feel better now that the video is out in the world and I got what I had to say off my chest. Thinking about this as a v1 timeline is a nice thought. Thanks for mentioning the Shang-Chi situation, that’s proof to me that the Disney+ timeline is very moldable.
Maybe combining your timeline and this new one is the best thing to do
That might be appropriate, yeah.
Where can I find your official timeline instead?
I'm not surprised they didn't include the Marvel Television properties. Marvel Studios has never really acknowledged the shows and also had no role in the marketing of those shows, either, meaning their status as MCU content was unofficial.
That said, the finale of Loki season 2 could easily place those shows in a branch timeline, like 919 (upside down 616, depending on how you write your ones). And with the clear connection between the MCU and the various Sony Spider-Man properties, I think Kevin is more than willing to include other Marvel properties as well, which could be included in a Marvel Cinematic Multiverse timeline book after the Multiverse Saga has concluded. There are so many legacy films, shows, and characters that can be utilized in the future, and all of them can be designated to their own universe, much like the CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover event did for many DC movies and shows NOT set within the Arrowverse. So it's necessarily that the Marvel Television shows aren't canon, but that they're simply irrelevant to the MCU, because the MCU is, so far, strictly related to events on the Sacred Timeline, characters from the Sacred Timeline, or Variants and events that spun off from the Sacred Timeline.
It wasn't unofficial. Both Kevin Feige & Bob Iger had referred to those shows as part of the MCU before (Feige once even directly stated that the Defenders Saga was set in the same continuity as the movies), & there are easter eggs referring to AoS, Agent Carter, & Daredevil in a few MCU properties. If the foreword of this book is to be taken as a statement to the contrary, then it is a _retcon_ of the previous status quo, not the _first_ word on the subject.
@@CaptHayfever I've never seen anything from Feige indicating the Marvel Television shows were in the same continuity with the films. What I HAVE seen, is constant disregard and ignorance for the events that happen within the shows. The films HAVE left a little wiggle room for the Marvel Television stuff to fit right in, but I just feel that most of it would work better as part of a different universe within the multiverse, rather than squeezed into a universe that barely acknowledges the shows, if at all.
Also, what easter eggs are there to Agent Carter, AoS, and Daredevil?
I think it's best to just focus on the watch order of the MCU rather than year or month placements. That way, it won't be too complicated when thinking about it.
I personally think Iron Man 3, L&T, and MoonKnight work in their timeline placements the book suggests, but i agree with the rest of your timeline.
I can’t fathom how anyone would prefer L&T in Fall 2025 lol, but the other two I’m less picky on. Thanks for watching.
@@Geekritique Honestly, I think it's because of the amount of time New Asgard looked from Endgame to L&T. I just don't see any possible way L&T can take place in April 2024 because of how newly built New Asgard was compared to how it looked in Endgame. Big construction like that can take years in advance to finish. Then again, it's fiction so real life logic doesn't necessarily need to apply in the MCU I guess.
Don't change your timeline to fit theirs. I follow your timeline
Glad you follow my timeline!
@Geekritique ever since I found your channel I've been following it I don't even look at nor believe Disney even knows the correct timeline
When is the Next MCU Timeline Video
On average how long does it take to make a timeline video
Depends on the size of the project. Big timeline projects, about 2-4 months. Smaller vids on singular shows/films, 5-14 days.
@@Geekritique I see, btw where do u think loki s2 place? Probably immediately after s1 right, tho I was confused where the post credit scene of ant man 3 takes place
The moment we thought that we got rid of x men universe timeline it got connected with mcu in the marvels confusion lives on 😂😂
Well I’m pretty sure that’s a new timeline (like 838 was), but yeah, we’re finally getting close to the X-Men. 😁
With Iron Man 3 being in 2013, all the "13 years ago" references literally refer to new year's Day - off the top of my head, Tony technically abandoned Killian partly in 2000 although the promise was obviously made in 1999, and Maya referencing her and Tony's kid being 13 makes more sense in 2013 than 2012
Even if it’s 13 years after New Year’s Day 2000, the nearest Christmas season would still be in Dec 2012.
Maya claims their kid would be 12.
This man never misses
Well, I miss occasionally. 😂
Hey my name is Dakota too and I love your channel!
Haha, thanks Dakota! My nickname growing up was also Cody (diff spelling).
I don’t think you should update it I want you to keep it as it is idc what marvel think or tell me what is and isn’t it should be up to the fans to decide because they clearly don’t give a crap about the timeline or us as fans it’s a shambles
I’m debating keeping my timeline. Thanks for watching!
The Marvels is set after the Secret Invasion & Ms. Marvel finales. Echo directly pick up after Hawkeye in the January 2025 MCU timeline before Moon Knight. Captain America 4 would start the 2027 MCU timeline. Fantastic Four & Deadpool 3 might be set in alternate MCU timelines. Blade would be set in the 2023 MCU timeline before the events to the post credit scene in Eternals. Agatha would be in the 2024 MCU timeline, Ironheart would be in the 2028 MCU timeline. Season 1 to Daredevil: Born Again would be after Echo & before She-Hulk with Season 2 sometime in 2026 or 2027. Vision Quest would take place sometime after Agatha in 2025. Thunderbolts would be in the 2027 MCU timeline. Avengers 5/6 would be set from late-2027 to early-2030. Nova would be set in the 2019 MCU timeline which would take place 1 year after the end of Infinity War, the mid-credit scene of Captain Marvel & the start of Avengers: Endgame. Wonder Man would take place in the 2027 MCU timeline. Live action Wakanda series would take place in 2026 after Wakanda Forever.
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The fact I had the same exact thoughts on this book as I reading it shows how noticeable it is
See! I’m not crazy 😂
@@Geekritique im still gonna use it as a reference point tho because there’s no way I spent days finishing it just to ignore it 😅
After watching your videos it inspired me to make my own watch order. I've listed it in both Release Order and Chronological Order. Plus do to some post credit scenes at the end of some movies I didn't put them in Chronological Order. I actually prefer your timeline order then MARVEL'S MCU.
Here's my list, tell me what you think:
Agent Carter • 1946-1947
IRON MAN • 2008
Captain America: The First Avenger • (1943-1945)/2010
The Incredible Hulk • 2010
IRON MAN 2 • 2010
T H O R • 2011
THE AVENGERS • 2012
IRON MAN 3 • 2012
THOR: The Dark World • 2013
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY • 2014
Captain America: The Winter Soldier • 2014
AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON • 2015
ANT-MAN • 2015
Captain America: CIVIL WAR • 2016
BLACK WIDOW •2016
BLACK PANTHER • 2016
SPIDER-MAN: Homecoming • 2016
DOCTOR STRANGE • 2016
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 • (2014)/2017
THOR: RAGNAROK • 2017
ANT-MAN and the WASP • 2018
CAPTAIN MARVEL • (1995)/2018
AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR • 2018
( VENOM ) • 2018
AVENGERS: ENDGAME • 2018-2023
(Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse) • 2018-2019
L O K I • outside the timeline
WHAT IF...? • outside the timeline
WandaVision • 2023
E T E R N A L S • 2023
THOR: LOVE and THUNDER • 2024
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings • 2024
The FALCON and the WINTER SOLIDER • 2024
SPIDER-MAN: Far From Home • 2024
( VENOM: Let There Be Carnage ) • 2019
SPIDER-MAN: No Way Home •2024
HAWKEYE • 2024
MOON KNIGHT • 2025
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness • 2024-2025
( MORBIUS ) • 2019
Black Panther: WAKANDA FOREVER • 2025
SHE-HULK: Attorney At Law • 2025
Ms. Marvel • 2025
SECRET INVASION • 2025
THE MARVEL'S • 2025
GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY Vol. 3 • 2026
ANT-MAN and the WASP: QUANTUMANIA • 2026
(Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse) • 2023
L O K I: Season 2 • outside the timeline
I like this a lot, nice work.
@@Geekritique I also made a timeline/watch order for the old marvel movies like the X-Men and the old Spider-Man movies. I'd be honored to share it with you.
@d.t.425 I’m curious what order you’d put them in!
6:02 Well that theory aged poorly now that Echo made Daredevil canon. Not the character, the whole show.
Well yes and no. This forward was written months before the Daredevil: Born Again rewrite. As has been reported, the decision to make the Daredevil show true canon moving forward was only agreed upon a few weeks ago. So I was correct when I put out the video. I’m glad that they reversed their decision though.
My most inconsistent feature is also dating
Lollll
Hey Dakoda, so here is my timeline/watch order of the old Marvel Movies. Lol some movies I didn't put in my timeline/watch order because they we're pretty bad. Lol I guess can say I pulled a He Who Remains move and pruned some movies. 😂
So here's my watch order of the old Marvel Movies before the MCU, tell me what you think:
X-Men: First Class • 1962
X-Men Origins: Wolverine • 1973
B L A D E • 1998
X-MEN • 2000
BLADE II • 2002
SPIDER MAN • 2002
X2: X-MEN UNITED • 2003
Daredevil • 2003
H U L K • 2003
SPIDER MAN 2 • 2004
The Punisher • 2004
E L E K T R A • 2005
SPIDER MAN 3 • 2005
FANTASTIC 4 FOUR • 2005
X-MEN: THE LAST STAND • 2006
FANTASTIC 4: RISE OF THE SLIVER SURFER • 2007
GHOST RIDER • 2007
THE WOLVERINE • 2013
X-MEN: (DAYS OF FUTURE PAST) • 2023->1973
(New/Branched Timeline)
X-MEN: APOCALYPSE • 1983
X-MEN: DARK PHOENIX • 1992
The Amazing Spider-Man • 2012
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 • 2014
(The New Mutants) • ? 🤷🏾♂️
DEADPOOL • 2016
( LOGAN ) • 2029 - Branched Timeline
DEADPOOL 2 • 2018
After DEADPOOL 2 then I start watching the MCU movies.
This is really cool bro. Thanks for breaking it up into trilogies too 😂
@@Geekritique 😂 Lol I did it that way so I wouldn't confuse myself. Hey, you should do a video about the old Marvel Movies. You're welcome to use my strategy. I already know you'll nail it. 🫵🏾💯
Don't think you should have to change your idea of the timeline. Keep up the good work!
You’re probably right
@@Geekritique Now if only they would hire you!
It’s a little late now, but I wouldn’t say no.
Well it’s what marvel studios considers correct so there’s really nothing we can do about it but you really should keep your own timeline going regardless
from the moment they announced this book I was like, I don't know why they're doing this now, they're just gonna have to make another one later anyway
At least they’re finally paying attention to the timeline.
@@Geekritique Yes, I do appreciate that much at least.
Is it even possible to do a Pokemon timeline since Ash doesn't really seem to age?
Yeah, sorta. It’s a version of the sliding timeline.
Please do the monsterverse, is the only cinematic universe outside of marvel that actually works and this year expanded into 2 series
It’s on my schedule of videos! It’s coming, don’t worry.
They have two of these books one for 29.99 and one for 52.00 what’s the difference??
I have no clue, sorry. Might just be a different distributor
@@Geekritique okay thank you
I feel you on the the book and the changes it makes to everything post Endgame, but you know what, I don't care what the book says. It doesn't make sense. I built my guide for my father because he has ADHD and can't make sense of going from Iron Man 2 to Avengers 1 to Captain America 2 to Guardians 1 to Avengers 2 etc. And it took me a long time to rationalize how I wanted to build it post Endgame so that it would make sense to him. The book made things worse and I ejected it from my own discussion of how it all goes together. You should do the same. BUT if you insist on yours becoming theirs, then may I make a suggestion that you transition from making a timeline guide and instead piece together a proper 'viewing guide' so that people coming into the franchise now, can watch the franchise in a way that makes things logical and understandable from point to point to point. That's how mine is. Phase 4 and 5 is nowhere near timeline accurate for me because it doesn't even make sense to watch those phases that way.
My headcanon will always be your timeline Dakota you made before this book.
Thanks man, coincidentally that’s my headcanon as well haha
It's just sad that by releasing 1 official book they ruined many years of fans work.
Hey, the work is still there. It does invalidate it a bit, but I’ll keep doing what I do best.
Kinda like how labeling the "Sacred Timeline" as "616" has retroactively made over a decade's worth of discourse comparing the MCU to the main comics timeline (often abbreviated to "616") more ambiguous & confusing to anyone reading those articles/conversations in the future.
I gotta be honest, I knew from the start it was gonna be controversial. I don''t think it's that the people who made the book don't care, but that making a 100% cohesive timeline is impossible with how much has changed along the years, I mean, retconning Iron Man three times or more... yikes. Your timeline was awesome, dude, but at the end of the day, I don't think Marvel executives (not the writers) as a whole actually cares about it as much and just made this book for... I guess just to qualm down the people asking for a timeline book. Marvel Studios has some care about the timeline, but it has never been to the level of dedication of the fans, and seeing how many behind the scenes drama there is nowadays... I don't think it's in their priorities. It's sad, but I have accepted it for years now and that's why I'm not disappointed. I hope this doesn't deter you from doing your analysis, they're always enjoyable and a treat to watch... But the truth is, it's only fans that will ever have this level of dedication. The writers of the book, in the end, are not guilty because they're likely bound by what the executives say... and I think they really do not care as much as you do :(
This is all true. Though, one correction: I don’t think the writers had any real direction from executives. From interviews they’ve given, it seems they were hired by DK Books to rewatch the films and shows, construct a timeline, and write a book. It is simply officially licensed.
@@Geekritique Oh wait, they did? Huh. I wonder why Marvel didn't do it in-house... That would've been better. Don't they have an official timekeeper in-house?
@carloshuayta3973 Supposedly they do, but this was more a DK Books production than a Marvel production sadly.
This MCU timeline book is basically a massive kick to the balls to everything in your own timeline placements, and I can tell how hurt you really are right now. I'm so sorry that this happened to you. I really am. 😥
How I watch Phase 4/5 ?
WandaVision
Falcon & Winter Soldier
Shang Chi
Eternals
Thor
Moonknight
Loki Season 1
Ant-Man 3
Loki Season 2
What if Season 1 & 2
Spider-Man 2 & 3
Doctor Strange 2
Hawkeye
Guardians of the Galaxy Special & 3
Black Panther 2
She-Hulk
Ms Marvel
Secret Invasion
The MarvelS
Nice!!
I do have my grievances with the book as well. But that being said it is canon. I agree i hope they realize that some of their placements make no sense and watch videos like yours or reference the wiki to see that it may just be a stupid timeline but we care! Keep going dakota! Cant wait for timeline 8.0!
Thank you my friend, and thanks for watching.
My stance on canon is that the only canon is the story material itself. You can't tell the audience they're obligated to read some guidebook to learn how the movies they watched are actually wrong about their own canon.
I take issue with the book being labeled "canon" - it's "canon-clarifying" at best - but I agree that they ought to make some improvements in the next edition.
Ive been waiting on this since the book has been released
Me too. Meeee tooo
@@Geekritique so a few questions
1. Is the book worth the price? Cuz with the scott lang, that was an issue
2. Can't u make ur own unofficial timeline book? I seen ppl make unofficial cook books.
3. U should follow their time line but also continue to make ur own. Ur version is backed with dates and resources from the movies. That's why ppl enjoyed them so much because of the work and passion u put into it.
@bryzantine1571 Thanks for the questions/comments.
1. I’d say for what you’re getting and the work put in, it’s worth the price.
2. I guess I could. Maybe I’ll consider it.
3. I think I need to balance both timelines essentially. Keep mine, but acknowledge the “canon.”
Bro dont get so beat up over all the inaccuracies from Marvel, your timeline is your timeline because the projects are placed where you feel they best occur... if anything you can just use this timeline book as more information to refer to as you are free to agree and disagree with whatever you want.
I respectfully dont always agree with your placements, but id hate to see you give up on all the work youve done because sometimes i do agree with you. Not to mention, you have helped me and probably many other people place projects in their own timelines without even realising it.
However, I could be wrong but I think Love And Thunder being placed in Fall 2025 works perfectly. March 2017 being Thor and Jane's break up works and it's never stated to have occured otherwise. Fast forward 8 years 7 months and you are in October 2025
Well, I’ll keep making vids like I usually do. Thanks for this comment, I appreciate diff (respectful) opinions like this.